MOST NEEDED TRAITOR SUCCESSORS RANKED! IRON WARRIORS!
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- čas přidán 22. 11. 2023
- Hey everyone Rho here! Today we reach the top 3 of our most needed Traitor Legion Successors for the Imperium! The Iron Warriors!
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The thought of Iron Warrior successor chapters working alongside Krieg regiments would be a sight to see
O yeaaaaaaa!!!
I can see in an AU the Iron warrior might even recruit from there.
Attack together with Iron Hands and Krieg regiments would break sipine of any fortifiacation...
They would be recruiting from Kreig.
Night Lords and chem dogs
While the reasons were solid, i'm gonna actually give more reasons for the Iron Warriors.
They're not only defensive. They're siege experts, that's why they're so good at boarding actions. The end of a siege is a close quarters assault, and they can do it. So, they can both attack and defend, they're very versatile.
There's also another thing... Their evil genius. Really, here in Brazil, we have a saying "tirar água de pedra", it means "to extract water from stone". Basically, their commanders can do some pretty insane plans and tactics. The Tyranid ship is still one of the craziest things the CSM pulled, but the Iron Warriors do this kind of shit all the time. So, there's also their tactical skill and how they adapt to their enemies.
So yeah, IW's would be great for the Imperium, there is a reason they carried the Horus Heresy.
I would argue that they excel at offensive siege far more than at being defenders.
@@falsehero2001 Me too, that's why i brought that up. Because people usually focus on the Iron Cage, not understanding that it was just Perty trying to teach Dorn that he is better than him at the Fist's job. But yeah, for me the IW is very versatile and excel at offense.
@@falsehero2001Imperial Fists are the defenser counterpart
Yes that's why they turned iron cage into siege. They will run laps around anyone
And we'll they don't have such things as ethics so inquisition will love them
I hope they have a minotaurs vs iron warriors novel where Perturabo realizes his sons finally ARE the praetorians of humanity (minotaurs work for the high lords directly who are humanity's representatives in essence) but now they no longer have dreams of creating anything, only destroying.
IRON WITHIN IRON WITHOUT!!!
Interesting. I totally expected the Iron Warriors in the first place. I guess it's gonna be between the zealots and the psykers...
I bet on zealots
@billyherrington5112 as much as I hate it the irony of Lorgar writing the Imperiums holy texts is probably going to clinch it even though I think Perturabo or Magnus should take the top spot.
Knew they’d be top 3 and hoped for number 1. Love the Iron 4th and agree with everything you’ve said. Feel like while Thousand Son and Word Bearers provide something extra that’s needed ‘in this moment’ I think the stability of the IW gene seed vs TS and their rationalism vs WB means they are more reliable than both. That’s why, for me, they are in the top spot. Iron Within, Iron Without.
Iron Warriors Geneseed also showed above average level of adaptability. They could replenish numbers with ease. And the Imperium needs the numbers
Then the Word Bearers should be number one.
@@7hart2 Only two more legions to go, so we will see.
And stable geneseed. It's said that Perturabo geneseed was even more stable than that of Gulliman's which is already amongst the most stable genelines, so stable that it allowed Perturabo to engage in attritional warfare to the point of depleting the population of Olympus from recruitment.
@minhducnguyen9276 True, but the massive indoctrination isn't required for the fanatical Word Bearers to ensure short term compliance.
Making them a fast recruit, even if slightly lower than Iron Warriors.
Add the morale boost they will grant the entirety of Imperials
, large numbers and a line infantry approach to warfare to bolter everything that doesn't require the mechanicus to roast.
They would provide a fire base for that which all formations can abuse3, or be assisted by smaller, specialist, Chapters.
Also this 👍 the only geneseed more stable than the Iron Warriors was the Dark Angels.
The minotaurs are definitely from the iron warriors, due to how brutal and paranoid they are, But what do you guys think?
No need to think. The guy who made them confirmed they’re of Iron Warriors gene stock, if their combat doctrine wasn’t already obvious enough (attrition specialists with a preference for grinding melee combat).
@@CMTechnica Yep, but many people don't know that except me and you.
To be honest, it would have been a bigger surprise if they weren’t.
@@vontheunknown7982...and me, lol. 😂
Not sure if they are Iron Warriors, World Eaters, or a chimera. Silver Skulls are also a possible Iron Warrior successor, sans their fathers dickishness.
The IW may be a good choice, but not for any of the reasons you said. The IW are a fantastic garrison legion, because they're pretty much the only legion that could garrison a world with a squad of IW. This is mostly a consequence of their legion organisation; where legionaries have similar skillsets among the legion vs. the specialisation of UM. Perturabo has it like this so he can swap any marine into any role and have them do the job, but it gives every marine a full toolkit for garrisoning a world. If they were employed in M41, the sparse garrisons would allow for more grander spear-tip tactics Bobby G can employ, since he can use far less marines to reinforce the supply lines - the shaft of the spear, giving more power to the head.
200 world's with 5 marine garrison daring nids to approach so they can test out their new bug repellant
The one thing you miss is the Iron Warriors genius and inventiveness. Perturabo was the only Primarch who came up with a chrono weapon to fight the Hrud, Barabas Dantioch mastered the Pharos Beacon. A talented Iron Warrior could cook up a weapon or tool to shut off the Hive Mind or disrupt Hive Fleets. They have the experience of the worst fights and sticking in there, enacting the most brutal and thorough xenocides - perfect for fighting Tyranids. 💪 Iron Within Iron Without
Well Iron Warriors are the Crazy scientists of legions
Tyranid ship turned into carrier
That one thing Noone likes because bodyhorros is scary apparently
I mean even as traitors they came up with a way, to replace their legions numbers.
Think his sons were likely the best stratagists of all the legions. They even played Warhammer 30k,in 30k xD
@@allytank-itykitty7417 half breed does what he does because he needs to think outside the box
If you.made loyalist IW they would do some crazy "Deffinetly not tech heresy™" stuff.
And since they're primaris Cawl would endorse that and yeet more data their way
We could expect some "Deffinetly not low grade AI servitors™" pop out in their bunkers
This was a suprise! I'm guessing word bearers in 2nd for rallying faith to the emperor, and Thousand Sons in 1st because of how effective psykers are against chaos?
Some non-dusted TS would also be amazing. Especially as the new cawl book more or less confirmed it was possible to use their geneseed.
... Looking like it!
Word Bearers will be ranked 1. Remember Lorgar wrote their holy book and is the perfect primarch for the current imperium.
I expected the word bearers to be third. Iron warriors and thousand sons bring a lot more to the table.
I think the IW are the greatest regular marines, but the thousand sons successor chapter of powerful librarians could counteract the warp, possibly even push back the warp storms, and the word bearers could weaponise faith in the emperor, essentially becoming a combo of marines and sisters of battle.
Iron Warriors used attrition in sieges in places other legions were too scared to fight
They still were one of the largest legions
Their geeneseed is nearly as pure as ultramarines
It's litteraly ultramarines but with character
Silver Skulls are a peerless success story. Pertarabo's greatest sons.
Siege of Castellax could be a good template for them (just swap their allegiance for loyalists and orcs with tyranids). Guess we're due for a curve-ball for nr2 and 1 spot.
For my homebrew loyalists of 4th legions, I have - not quite fixed on a name(castle crashers, as funny as it might sound, seem better fit for terminator elite unit rather than full chapter, will need more mulling over). Color scheme - not decided, toyed with blue silver, blue-grey stone and byzantine blue, ultimately settled for gunmetal blue(how grey knights used to look like on some older artwork, or blue finish some guns have, but in a lighter shade), ofc hazard stripes to smaller, and brick/castle wall to larger degree as decoration, skilled tankers, builders, artficers, lots of techmarines(full and apprentices), fewer other specialists, at times prone to introvertion and melancholy. Unique weapon - breaching halberd (think thunder hammer on one side, axe on other, spike on top and hefty crow/pry-bar on bottom). Symbol, i was thinking of a mixture of their original pre-heresy emblem mixed with a rook chess piece, to tie into the builder aspect. Any ideas?
IMHO, Iron Warriors shodld be on top spot.
Just wondering if perturabo came back as loyalist, how many problems would be solved, though the mechanicus would likely either call him the omnissaih angels or a heretic.
I would just like to think of all the lost tech he could reinvent, or the broken STC he could fix. Or even upgrading the Golden throne so that it heals the emperor over time.
He was a literal genius that wanted to build all his amazing ideas and great structures and tech, but got bogged down and distraught by wars.
I'd worry about using geenseed from a traitor primarch with a primarch that might show up. That would leave night lords, luna wolves and alpha legion.
Terran-born Space Marines were still able to turn against their fathers and remain loyalist. The 'spell' primarchs have over their sons isn't as powerful as we might think
Overwhelming firepower is probably the least important factor for space marines
They are the most elite shocktroops. Imperials soldiers can do all the firepower just fine with tanks, mortars and their navy. What the imperium needs is specialists that can do all kinds of crazy missions.
Thank you for the Thanksgiving treat.
Oh I see which way the wind is blowing. We need a Gork & Mork successor chapter, gotcha.
I was waiting to see where the Sons of Perturabo landed before adding my list to the others here, as they are the one I felt were strongest contenders for the top spot. So as it stands my list is.
9-World Eaters- While tough in a fight they don't really bring much to the table and high casualties plus Khorne's ascendancy in the galaxy makes them risky.
8-Word Bearers- A less than impressive track record and tendency towards religious zealotry is not something the Imperium needs. Guilliman acknowledges he can't get rid of the Imperial Cult, but he doesn't promote it either.
7-Night Lords- They could excel at terrorizing potential uprisings but that's not really the image Guilliman would want I think. Plush their terror tactics just aren't going to work on Chaos and the Tyranids. Though they could be serviceable at decapitation strikes the Raven Guard successors already own that job. And in open combat the Night Lords are down there with the Word Bearers and Alpha Legion in terms of impression.
6-Alpha Legion- Essentially they do the Night Lord's job of policing Sanctus better and they could also prove invaluable at Infiltrating and gathering info across the Rift. They're also not historically great fighters but working as agents across the Rift and policing Sanctus for heresy is something the could silently excel at. Besides, their remaining Primarch is already Loyalist anyway.
3-Thousand Sons- Assuming Cawl has cured the flesh change, they would make for incredible combatants against Chaos and defenders and paragons of Sanctus. Against the Nids they might struggle though due to the presence of the Shadow in the Warp. And with Tzeentch's power in real space being at an all time low they aren't nearly as vulnerable to corruption. Honestly they could go higher if the flesh change and Shadow in the Warp could be managed.
4-Death Guard- While they have no glaring drawbacks like the others below and they could function perfectly well in all 3 major theaters of war they don't bring a ton to the table that the Loyalists can't match. Though that extreme resilience to damage and disease may actually make them great at dealing with the actual Death Guard or Choas forces in general.
3-Luna Wolves- Pretty much all the reasons listed in their own video here. They'd be great at bringing their allies together and their offensive power could be absolutely invaluable. They do have some overlap with the top two though.
2-Emperor's Children- Just as said in their video, they are excellent jack-of-all-trades forces who could slot comfortably into any battlezone and their outward portrayal as paragons of mankind and ease of working with non-astartes forces would make them perfect fits for the current setting. Could honestly swap with the Luna Wolves in most cases.
1-Iron Warriors- The KINGS of utility. Indomitable defenders. Unrelenting fighters. And unparalleled besiegers. While the others listed might do some very specific things better than them, they excel in every theater of war at present and have basically none of the drawbacks besides being a little less than friendly. There's a reason people say the Iron Warrios hard carried the Horus Heresy. Because they did. In fact if they hadn't gotten fed up with the rest of the Traitor forces screwing around and ditched the siege Terra may just have fallen. I think that feat alone speaks more about the unending tenacity and utility of the Iron Warrior lineage than anything else could.
This is all my opinion though and there could be some stuff I've missed.
I'd rank them first to be honest. They had stable gene-seed, were steadfast, & never really fell to Chaos -- it was just Purturabo's festering resentment that turned them against the Imperium & similarly caused them to ditch Horus at the siege of Terra.
Considering how spread out their legion was, they probably had the highest number of the traitor legions that remained loyal & were even oblivious to the heresy. It's been hinted that both the Minotaurs or the Silver Skulls might be successors drawn from the vast loyalist remnants of the legion.
I think the iron warriors are perfect for #1 (maybe 2). If anything else building a ring of iron around the imperium is exactly what it needs right now
I would've said number one as well. But maybe he's thinking they're not leadership material? IDK, but there's some reason.
I'm stunned that they aren't in 1st tbh. Their siege specialty would be invaluable for taking back Imperium Nihilus, not to mention their ability to reinforce Imperium Sanctus and fight back Tyranids effectively.
Iron warriors should totally be the gene seed to make successor chapters. Overall their success outweigh their failures and they are absolutely the ones to grind it out in the absolute worst settings, wiping the map with the enemy.
Iron Within Iron Without!... count me out on fighting for Papa Smurf though lol
Perturabo's geneseed can be copied over and over without flaws being introduced. It was one of the fastest induction processes for space marines during the Great Crusade. I think it would be great in Imperium Nihilus, where good facilities are scarce. I also think they would be amazing as successors for the Black Templars. They've got all the makings of zeal, the same as the sons of Dorn. They could be sent to where rifts of the immaterium are st their worst, combating it with something like faith without the worry of losing their minds.
Top three finish for my boys! I know what Im thankful for today
@wolflordrho I have a theory. Its said that the primarks have overlapping skills. I think each one overlaps with 2 others. For example, i belive konrad overlaps with corax and sanguinius and so on. I'm betting that some of the primarks overlap with the two missing ones as well. It would be cool to see who you think overlaps with who and who might overlap with the lost and the purged.
Khorne Magic: Metal (Iron=Blood)!
Perturabo the Demon Primarch of Khorne and his Iron Warriors: just like living armor leaking hot iron generated by their own boiling blood!
(And most terrifyingly, despite their rage their minds are intact)
According to logic, how would Perturabo seal his pact with Khorne, destroying first Monarchia and then Olympia?
Can he become a master of destructive Metal Magic, then creating bloodthirsty Sorcerers of Khorne in his army?
Perfect example is the magic of Azariah Kyras as the Daemon Prince of Khorne!
Not Kharn but Kroeger the Betrayer!
Loyalist Angron vs Daemon Primarch Perturabo.
"You think I am weak...but you have grown weaker Perturabo. I have remade my strength, while you have sold yours out of dispair. You are weak. You are a slave. You where born a slave, and a slave you will remain. Your strength flees. It does not belong to you. It is your master's, and the chain that keeps you throttles you. The threads of blood are thinning, the meal of slaughter will only keep you here long enough, to watch your bastard sons die."
The Iron Warriors definitely deserve to be first, and I'm saying that as a 30k Fists/40k Templars player. I see where you're going with the top three and agree that they're the obvious top of the pile, but the IW are basically made for this. If any legion is well-suited to a galaxy-spanning nightmare war with no resources, it's the IV legion. I'd be willing to bet that a couple IW successor chapters given free range over a corner of the galaxy could bleed even a hive fleet dry. Nobody else could do that.
I'd pick the Iron Warriors as number 1. If you could only choose one geneline it'd be them. Thousand Sons and Word Bearers bring great specific things to the table that would grant them the number 2 and 3 spot, but at some point you have enough psykers and priest. The Iron Warriors however? You can never have too many of them.
wolf rlly saying the thing that made the iron warriors betray the imperium theyll js take it and do it again with full happiness
Cmom Book Bois!
You can do it🎉
Alright, I'm just gonna say it. If it's thousand sons, it's because of pysker powers. If it's word bearers, it's because of their faith.
yeah both make sense, but its gotta be Thousand sons, each of their marines can vaporise entire squads with ease, im not even a huge fan of them but they are just the strongest
traitor or loyalist, if I had to pick three gene lines to preserve for the current imperium. It would be the Blood Angels, the Iron Warriors and the Thousand Sons. Hell in any era they would be my three hands down
The Iron Warriors are the best traitor legion when it comes to organization and execution of strategy. And people keep forgetting that they have an armory of world killing artillery that the Lion mistakenly handed to the Iron Lord.
They wouldn't bring more to the table than Imperial Fists already do. It has nothing to do with Legions of Old. Guillman changes Astartes with his Codex. Codex imposted on them change of the tactics and behaviour, only few got spared of this fate like Wolfs or Black Templars. New chapters raised from Perturabo would need to follow the same rules of Codex Astartes leaving not much more space for the tactics and doctrines IVth used in Great Crusade era. Not to mention that before Perturabo was discovered, they were on solid way to self-destruction and he saved them really.
Now, I guess you will place The Thousad Sons on 1st place becasue it seems that Cawl somehow managed to fix flesh change flaw of this blood line and you will say that what Imperium needs most now are psykers :)
2nd place is dangerous - you will place there the Word Bearers. It is a risk here, huge acutally. We know what Iron Warriros hated their primarch, there was not big love between them and Perturabo. With XVII its different. They glorified Lorgar. And we know he will be returning to the setting. Imagine what would happen if new Chapter raised from Lorgar's geenseed would meet with their gene lord, even as a demon prince. Unfortunately I am afraid that having new founding of the Word Beares would only boost the traitor numbers as they all would turn on Imperium once more, following The Urizen.
Man alive! The last tow legions. Thousand Sons, and Word Bearers. I reckon, with confidence, that Rho is going to name Thousand Sons as Number 1. With the caveat that Cawl can eradicate the flaw in their seed, the Psycher abilities of the Thousand Sons, the loyalty and devotion of Magnus, prior to the punishment.
Word Bearers were Chaos bound even before Lorgar arrived on Colchis. Colchis was infected by Chaos.
Thousand Sons for the the win!
The Iron Warriors are the guys you want providing support fires. The Iron Hands are the guys you want tinkering with and designing new small arms and aggressively closing in on the enemy with exotic weapons and innovative solutions. The Iron Hands are like artillerymen who do not under any circumstances require any support.
But what would happen when Perturabo turns up, lays siege to one of these worlds and finds out the defenders are lron Warrior successors??
For laugh you only need they find a chapter founded using the genestock of barbas danthioch and its warriors
he kills them- doubt he would show sympathy
Cheeky hijinks would ensue.
I'll never understand why people try and say Iron Warriors and Iron Hands are the same. One is a city flattening wall of artillery and another is a mechanized fist of armored might. Two very different things.
Holy cow dose this mean word bearers are about to get some love?
I would put the Iron Warriors far ahead of the Word Bearers due to the Sisters of Battle and Saints being able to instill faith and perform miracles far more then Astartes.
I would have thought them most ideal and #1
I would've put them or with maybe a funny twist of irony, the word bearers, towards the number 1 spot.
People tend to forget Iron Warrior gene seed has very low rejection rates. They would be able to easily replenish losses because of that. Their unrelenting nature would be problematic for any foe, including the Leviathan Tyranid invasion. The Imperium would need to learn from the mistakes ofthe past and recognize loyalist Iron Warriors otherwise they would likely have another large scale insurrection on their hands. The single best reason for having Iron Warriors around would have nothing to do with war. They are expert builders and would be ideal architects for building fortified cities and societies. Only the Imperial fists have a similiar degree of infastructure rebuilding. Worlds in ruin would only act as the clay for enough better societies to be sculpted. The oversight of the Iron Warriors talents away from the theatre of war has proven to be a catrostrophic oversight.
Iron Warriors are top tier for sure. But does it really take a special forces super gene enhanced soldier to fire big guns?
I’m interested into your reasons for word bearers so high, I think I would always have them last or second to last but iron warriors. Iron warriors make sense being rated high
Probably to pull the rug from underneath the ecclesiarchy. Look, WB being shit is a meme. They were good at what they did; they just didn't understand the assignment.
Its just Heretic Bias.
I'm increasingly worried about the lack of the Wordbearers much lower in the list. They were very slow in the great crusade until they were punished and turned traitor
Going to be interesting to see the reasons why TS and WB are in the top two, for me i just can't see them being as useful as the Iron warriors. The IW bring more than just a stable gene seed, siege/defence tactics and fire power but they also produce there own fire power with there own weapon forges which would be a massive benefit in any and all campaigns.
cawl has said to have stablised the geneseeds, so maybe thats not an issue.
but ye, imagine IW and salamanders working together, you would get awesome weapons, but also moral discord
I'm thinking the WB because of how valuable and powerful faith is in the current imperium. Lorgar literally wrote the book the Ecclesiarchy follows, so it's likely they would synergize well with SoB, or restoring faltering IG regiments almost like a male counterpart to the SoB. Might be they could manifest more miracles too, as strength of faith often equals feats of miraculous powers.
@@bohellan6227 Good points, but will faith have a more potent effect against Hive fleet leviathan than over whelming fire power? In the fight against the Tyranids i just don't see it as being that benefical.
TS because bullshit hax and the WB to slow the spread of chaos
@@nathanial_summers Hm, good point. Considering the shadow in the warp the TS would be equally useless. Though the legion of the damned did show up at Baal, so there's at least a argument for faith in the emperor.
Not sure how the TS would've helped there though.
Iron Warriors should probably been at #1
I have a feeling that WB are going to be number 1 due to faith being an important virtue in holding and regaining Imperius Nihilus.
I don't think it'll make many people happy, but I think you are right. When he did his first video on this subject he had WB coming first in that one, and honestly the motivation behind that decision has only gotten stronger. Faith is a huge component of the current imperium, The Emperor is moving, Guilliman is aware o faith and has tried to leverage it to his advantage, etc, etc. Religion is just a huge part of the setting
Old tread but top 3 are for me all nr 1. Iron Warriors chapters would take the imperium to another league. just imagine the the Iron Warriors in front and then either the 8th, 5th or 19th in the back. Here i think the 5th or 8th would be best. But also it would it be a own goal making the same mistake as before with to much garrions duty. Guiliman would never admit how much he needs some chapter from traitor linage. There i actually think the Lion or Khan would be more pragmatic.
I'm surprised the IW aren't higher on this list
Overwhelming Firepower = Lots of Daka
I kind of like this series, but I think there is a flaw the way you have looked at the legions. I think you need to compare them with the pre-primarch legions, as other than the gene line, the primarch, their personality and teachings will have no affect on new loyalist chapters
Only 3rd on the list, having them be the garrison, and having to follow Guilliman’s grand plan… seems like these are prime conditions to have them turn traitor 😂
Thing is, the “steel backbone” role can be fulfilled by the sons of Dorn - that is their purpose - or the sons of Ferris Manus. The Iron Warriors are the guys you want when you’re trying to dislodge an entrenched enemy. While that has it uses to the imperium I think there would be better options like Death Guard or the sons of Horus.
Dislodging orks and Tyranids from oktarius
Dislodging death guard from their quarter
Imperium can use someone to decrease noumber of Frontlines
Maybe, but in all honesty the Iron warriors do it better. Sure all SM are fearless and hold the line, but the IW hold the line like no other if told to hold the objective then they will hold it in spite of their enemy by sheer stubbornness, also I belive since Perturabo was a genius in tactical warfare his sons would prove a boon as they are far from stupid, they accept what they are and don't whine about it.
I think all the departments of the imperium would love them, aside from the munitorum as they would be getting constant requests from the IW xD
@@allytank-itykitty7417 Imperium Nowdays has a lot more penal units to yeet at problems
And if SM chapter requests them 8n exchange for it's support? Question won't be why? It will be how many?
Don't forget he will still have a lot of the weapons that the dark angles gave them I'm sure they only used a fraction of what was given to them
its not IW that already exist, its about new IW that cawl would make, so they wouldn't have the weapons
I was expecting them to get first, tbh.
Iron within!! IRON WITHOUT!!!🗣️ 💪🗿
So basically... the Imperium always needs more Dakka. Thus Iron Warriors. 😅
Im surprised the iron warriors aint 1st. Like you said. Hive fleet leviathan
The Imperial Fists are renowned for their bolter discipline, they are a tide of disciplined line of fire. But yeah, the IWs would be a good addition.
The fists are a little too stoic, fight to the end for no sound tactical/ strategic reason.
The IW built the iron cage without the luxury of time or resources that the Fists had.
They breached Hydra Cordatus, one of the best fortresses in the imperium and designed by Perturabo, breached the imperial palace
The IW were good at the thankless work of garrison duty, sieges and attrition which the imperium needs alot of. Imagine if the stalemates were ended. How may worlds liberated and how many guard redeployed?
@cameronwixcey9692
The Iron Cage was just one incident, people bring it up as if that defines the Imperial Fists. There is also a context to why Dorn acted as he did.
The Imperial Fists was the most instrumental in winning the Heresy. During Siege of Terra the Imperial Fists didn't lose their nerve and held the line long enough for the Heretics to lose their nerves, the IWs simply left the field.
@Shatterfury1871 the iron cage had fewer resources and only fell due to the ultramarine showing up/plot armour.
Take the defence by the loyalist iron warrior whonfound the pharos beacon
@@cameronwixcey9692
The Imperial Fists didn't do any meaningful preparations for a good in lore reason.
Read the whole events around the Iron Cage if you are so obsessed with it.
@@Shatterfury1871 i have read. You have ignored the other mentions of iron warrior skill so do more lore reading
To be honest, when looking at one of the factors, the tyranids and their invasions, I would say that the Iron Warriors and the emperor's children would be top 3. To me they are the best "equipped" to face the tyranids. So having them in 3rd ain't much of a disappointment. On the other hand to realize that the word beares are top 2, just boggles the mind.
Number 1 for me.
I had them as 1
Where are the iron warriors as disregard full of casualties before they met their father or was it only after adopting his style of attritional warfare?
The way legion waged war before meeting their father needs to be looked at not so much after meeting him. Every legion had dramatic changes after meeting their father. With many of the changes being negative especially for the traitor legions.
If a new loyalist chapter was formed from traitor Gene-Seed it won’t have the influence of there Primarch. In fact, they might fully go against they way there traitor father fought as to not fall like hie did.
The Iron Warriors out attritioned the Hrud.
THOUSAND SONS IN TOP TWOOOO 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
My GOD IS IRON!!!
Just don't give them a fleet to command in space combat as Perturabo couldn't beat a regular astarte
A redeemed chaos primarch purturabo spent 10 k figuring out how to cure himself of daemon hood he was capable of understanding any technology and make it workgive 10 k years hes mastered chaos or hes actually now vashtor and the original half of perty is locked in the basement
I haven’t disagreed with any point that Rho has made during these rankings. I do find it really weird that the top two positions go to one legion that will self implode due to the flesh change. Or the other legion that would become the original arch traitors
Thousand sons to destroy chaos and word bearers to bring the faith and make the God Emperor immensely more powerful. 😁
I thought the iron warriors would be first place for all the reasons mentioned. With only the emperor's children potentially beating them out with the way they can lead guard and other non astartes. I would have seen the 1000 sons in 4th. Since what they really bring is psykich might. And the Grey Knights do that better. How many daemon primarchs have been pushed back because of a handful of the ordo Malleus finest? And the word barers in third. Their biggest strength being praising the escliarchy. Which is not really needed considering the adeptus sororities already do that very well. So we will have to agree to disagree my friend. But I was with you up until the final 4
put iron warriors chapters on hive worlds where recruiting new marines would be easy😊
So I’m thinking of all the reasons why the Thousand sons or Word bearers are first and second.Word bearers,faith?the Imperium has that in abundance.Thousand sons, please don’t say so the Emperor can leave the throne and Magnus takes over because that can’t happen.The throne is failing only the Emperor’s power is keeping it going.Magnus is not on his level.
The best defence is offence. The galaxy is absolutely fucked if the Heresy's only reliable threat comes to play.
Idk how the word bearers are going to justify a top 2 spot
It's about time the Imperium finally learned the truth? The REAL truth.
There's no chance you actually ranked Word Bearers at #1 or #2. The LAST thing the ecclesiarchy should have access to is a chapter astartes. We've seen the problems that arise when the ecclesiarchy has a standing military, we've seen what happens when high lords have direct access to a chapter, and if any traitor geneseed successor chapter is at considerable risk of their genefather coming back and converting them, its gonna be the sons of the guy who's WHOLE PURPOSE was to stand on his ideological soapbox and evangelize.
For the algorithm
I mean, I'm all for rehabbing the traitor lines, but again, not hearing many arguments here that couldn't be answered with "The Last Wall." A reunited Imperial Fists Legion, with influence from the Black Templars, Crimson Fists, and the Executioners would have all the best qualies of the Iron Warriors, but without the worst drawbacks.
We could always use more, though, so if we had loyalist sons of Perturabo working with the sons of Dorn, we could see an echo of the greatness that could have been.
like dantioch and pollux
...like the Minotaurs?
Would have put them in 1st place imo
And ai thought they'll be no. 2
I am surprise that he place them at 3rd
Hey look, number 3! It's not number 1 but close is good. I can guess who your number one is going to be though.
Hrmm word bearers at 1
Shifty eyes back and forth *cough cough* minotaurs
Yes but moar
@@edwardbrown3721 oh agreed need more 100%
From Iron cometh strength.
hell yeah top 3 lol
From iron cometh strength.
I thought the Iron Warriors would be no.1
You would have lost a lot of peoples money with this placement if we placed bets
This is the first one I've disagreed with, personally. I think the Iron Warriors deserved #1. Hard carrying the Heresy proved that, if nothing else, they were the strongest traitor legion. Iron within, Iron without.
My order was
1 Word bearers
Tied for second Iron warriors and death guard
3 thousand aons
4 emperors children
5 world eaters
6 night lords
7 alpha legion
8 luna wolves
There are chapters that "channel" the energy and fightins style of every traitor legion But the luna wolves
One of the least needed imo
Already have Iron hands and Imperial fist. No need for a third similar chapter
Though maybe without Pterrible in the way, their chapter could be a success
This is probably the only one of your recent videos i disagree with. You can make a case for everything said here being true, but it feels like a very optimistic stretch.
For example: you say the Imperium cant win trough atrition, recognise that the Iorn hands are not really efficient with their casualties, but still give them the point because they have ''overwhelming firepower'', the issue here is that i dont think their firepower is a function of their genetics, they had tons of guns during the crusade, because all space marine legions had access to way more resources back then.
In the 40k era youd have a group of warriors that cant take a defeat, that dontk now when to retreat, and that throw thousands of men at a wall until the wall breaks, and have them limited in 1000 man groups. Not only are they flawed in the worst possible ways for the current setting, youre selling their positive traits like they are better imperial fists.
You could apply this video more or less to so many legions, everything said here fits the Fists, the Iron hands, the Ultramarines, the Death Guard, the Dark Angels... Every legion thats not very very spcialised and that sort of fits every archetype, you can grab them and say they are just great at everything but it doesnt make it true.
At most (im biased here) id accept this of the Emperors Children, because their whole thing was at least to try to be the best at every single thing, and its kinda suggested that if they hadnt been so few they couldve gotten there, but i dont buy this Argument for any other legion personally
Thousand sons first place!
Do it!
DO IT!