Autel EVO 2 Series Drone 48MP 8K - But Is It Really 8K ?
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
- Talking about the new Autel Evo 2 Drone and the 48MP 8K Camera and if its using a Quad Bayer Filter for achieve its resolution and is it really 8K. We also have a look at the Evo 2 technically and its SOC and System.
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Quad Bayer's biggest advantage is increased dynamic range. The four capacitors under each color filter can use slightly different exposure timings. The internal Sony EXMOR A/D conversion combines the slightly different timings into one pixel output. In theory, we are supposed to get a stop or 2 more dynamic range.
Cliff Totten , yes!! And in theory sensitivity (low light). It’s not clear whether Sony has leveraged this but a competitor I worked for designed their version of this and it utilized an aggregate mode where the four pixels acted as one from a photon collection standpoint with a caveat, the 2x2 aggregate wasn’t as good as a single pixel that size but better than any singular pixel in the 2x2. There is no trickery here, this is why this pixel architecture was designed this way.
Always great in-depth stuff
This video came out 2 months ago, and yet many people are still saying the Evo 2 is 8k. Just because it says 8k on the box, doesn't mean it's 8k. Great video!
Awesome Mad thanks for breaking it down for us i never had a idea how these things work for some bit and u did it for me thanks buddy stay safe
Hay everyone, thanks for watching this one.
Somethings I wanted to add as afterthoughts on this subject.
Most manufactures that have done this have used this to improve HDR images and actually get better colour performance in bright conditions and are switching between sensor modes to get the best from it. The simple realty is this is still a 12MP sensor in normal mode and will perform as such.
The Pro Versions 20MP 1 Inch sensor in 6K will wipe the floor with this in the same resolution. In the very brightest of conditions the Standard model will do ok but as soon as the light drops it’s going to fall over massively.
This is not about saying the EVO 2 is bad or not as good as other drones this is about exposing some extreme marketing tactics that appear to be happening here and while we have had others do things like Line Skipping, Sub Sampling and Binning this is very much a step further and not the same.
Using methods to reduce resolution are always needed on large sensors however this is trying to create resolution that is not really there.
The standard model really is very similar to the Skydio 2 and Mavic 2 in this sense and it’s really not a massive jump ahead in camera spec, remember the Mavic 2 Zoom can do a processes 48MP image as well but that’s only in stills. Autel are using a little more trickery to achieve 8K video but it is still trickery non the less.
The Evo 2 brings Autel in-line with DJI mostly with the 1 Inch model but this is no great jump anywhere. The Pro is the same as the Mavic 2 Pro and while there are extra Object Avoidance Sensors that’s not to say it’s better overall.
Choose your model carefully and for me the Pro model is 100% the only option over the two main models.
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Look forward towards your next vid analysing drones, there is much CZcamsrs who talks about features from a spread sheet published by the drone company, but hardly anyone actually understands the hardware, your kinda review is what buyers need
Great breakdown! I suspected as much but didn't know the technical description for it. I was tempted to get the base model just to grab a unit and then purchase the Pro camera but I think I'll just wait for the 20MP and if I ever need the Flir option I guess I'll be getting the 8k as a gimmie .
Thanks again. Great stuff.
Great video! I’ll wait for the mavic 3!
Great explanation! Thank you!
Thanks, nice to see you on the channel. Hope the new site is going well.
@@MadRC Yes -Starting from zero but had a great first month so we'll get there!
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Excellent review and well explained. I was wondering about the 48MP rating with a 1/2" sensor and a 20MP rating with a full 1' sensor... made no sense at all until you explained it. I started to build my own Sony RX 20MP drone but never finished. This one should be worth the wait. Long Long Long wait.....
I believe you are on the money with your explanation regarding the 6k vs the 8k. Sounds very logical thanks for that detailed info and also going thru the internal circuitry. Its refreshing too see a vlogger do what you did here rather then just show video from the unit. Great job. I believe I will go for the 6k Pro unit in a few months time after all the hype calms down and I m confident dji will probably be balls to the walls now looking at a competing contender drone. I have enough drones to get by with, so time too sit back back and watch.
I got mine 2 weeks ago and it's proving you wrong mate. Way too much better than Dji models. I got mavic zoom 2, mavic 2 Pro and Dji inspire 2 and so far evo 2 is better than all dji drones I got. Pictures and videos are amazing. Autel has done such a great job.
I feel the exact same way. He jumped the gun and made an assumption. I am the original Evo and Mavic 2 Pro and there is no contest in picture quality. The Evo II definitely comes out on top every time. I’ve done many comparisons on my own and there is a big difference in picture quality between all three. With the Evo II looking better, especially at 4K/ 60 with HDR... which the Mavic 2 Pro can’t even do. Yes it has a 1” sensor, which helps in lower light... but that is what the Pro 6K camera will come in handy for. Especially with its adjustable aperture. Which will be a god send. I am many other people have mentioned to them about coming out with a six or 8K 1 inch camera with optical zoom, something they are looking into very seriously. According to one of their employees, they are also looking into a 4/3 camera. Which would be awesome for pros. The swappable cameras are the best. Allowing total flexibility and future upgradability.
I'm glad you pointed out this issue. I have a skydio on order and I'm considering a evo .thank you for this break down
Right now i would stick with the S2. There is nothing “new” that Autel are doing overall with the Evo 2 series and realty is it’s catching up with DJI and others.
The Pro model is looking to be very good however it’s object sensing system is not remotely as advanced as Skydios.
@@MadRC I have the skydio ordered but I'm group 4???? I agree with your findings. 1 inch
An excellent dissection of this new product. The pixel trickery is similar to that used in some astrophotography camera’s but done in reverse. With the AP camera four pixels are binned together to increase light sensitivity at the cost of a lower resolution image.
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Nidge.
Will both the sensors have rolling shutters? Is this this same as electronic shutter? No drones have non-electronic shutters
Excellent excellent excellent. For some reason I really like the way the Drone looks.
For now I'm going to stick with my typhoon H 480
Great talk on the
evo 2🔶
It's amazing how drone technology just keeps getting better and better and better.
Keith Kuhn
Nice one Ian
The pro model is my choice thus far. Very excited to fly where I want.
You can turn off the nfz on the M2P and it's then a drone that you can fly anywhere.
Any insight on the shutter type?
Nothing at this time. I believe it’s still rolling on all of them.
Very interesting. Thanks for the information. That's why the image quality of the mavic zoom is still better than evo II 8K.
Very interesting! Would be nice to know if they can do real 4k 60p with the 1 ich sensor. In the past I owned the Phantom 4p+ and I was a bit dissappoined because it seems DJI does Lineskipping or binning in 4k60. 4k30 got more detail and movements in 4k60 looks a bit more blurred so I most use 4k30p and interframed it to 4k60 which looks much better than 4k60. Also would be nice to know the framerates of the 8k EVO 2 model. I read that only 24 and 25fps is available? Really no 30p in 8k?
The problem is at 4K60 your halving the bitrate available for the codec to use, at 100Mbps available its about a low as you want for 4k and trying to cram 60fps into that is just difficult the reality is we need 200mbps models to really take advantage of this fully. the extra processing available now should help but the bitrate limit will always be an issue.
@@MadRC yes I know but it really looks like lineskipping. However... be curious how good Evo will be 😁
*So how is 8k footage created on this sensor if it is actually 12mp? How do they gets video resolution of 8k?*
They aren't not truly.
Thanks for your insightful analysis. While I agree that the new 1in sensor is likely to be the better camera, we do know from the current model that Autel sprinkled magic dust on the EVO and managed to get more out of the sensor than any other drone maker.
To be fair they were using the H2 from Ambarella , that’s was what delivered the result with decent bitrate. The Mavic Pro was using the older A9 and DJI were using some custom silicone with the 1Inch sensor on the M2. Really the H2 was massively overpower for the original Evo and that’s how it all looked so good. The P4 Pro was using the H1 and that was one of the best outputs too.
It’s actually a shame they have moved away from Ambarella as they still have the best SOC for these small cameras.
@@MadRC What confuses me is how the current memory card interface, which struggles not to drop data when writing fast-panning 4k30 shots can possibly handle 6k and 8k cleanly.
Interesting subject. I think it important that people understand that more resolution does not mean better image quality. Sensor format and pixel size is very significant.
The 1/2 inch sensor used here is physically tiny ( 6.4 by 4.8mm ) compared to the referenced Sony A7 R3 with it's full frame sensor ( 35.9 x 24.0mm ). In practice this makes a fundamental difference in photon/light gathering capability, meaning much better signal to noise ratio. The difference in pixel size/density is 0.8µm versus 4.51µm. The sensor manufacturers know that the mobile phone and drone industry need to satisfy consumers that naturally lean to thinking that more megapixels must mean better picture quality, so they fudge it by using interpolation techniques and marketing babble. Some manufacturers even stretch it so that they round up the interpolated resolution from 5.4k to 6k. Hmm, however, I can't imagine that Autel would resort to such a practice 😉
This explains why on the u tuber video named Flytpath hosted by Aldryn Estacio, he showed 100% cropped images from the EVO 2 and the Mavic 2 Pro and the EVO image was softer. But still the EVO 2 is a sweet drone.
If you watch his video, he states that he takes the sharpness setting down to negative to purposely, because he likes the softer look better. I told him he should probably take it down to -1, as it’s the perfect blend. The original Evo setting for sharpness I think is out of the box too high at its normal setting which is zero. Negative one should be the out of the box setting. Why? Because the zero setting seems to introduce some sort of edge sharpening, making the picture look too sharp and seemingly adding unnecessary aliasing and shimmering to the picture. Whereas, setting it to negative one leaves the picture looking like film or really good TV footage. Giving video the professional look. So the soft look at nothing to do with the drone itself, it was his feelings on how he liked the picture and the settings he made to get there.
Mavic2Zoom already has the 48 mp high res option..
Yep.
This barely ever gets mentioned 👍.
yes, but dji wa smart enough not to brag about it too much, since we can see, it is a basically a lie and you are not getting more details out. first videos online from evo 2 to me looks really bad, imo.
izoyt I’ve had really good 48mp photos with my Zoom & some that were bad. Lighting conditions have to be perfect for the best results.
So great, wilst it's actually better. Wilst it's actulally Awesome
Meanwhile I'm watching this in 720p on my crappy internet phone lol.
Well, there go my dreams of mapping at 48mp on a reasonable budget.
Yea this is not going to be any good at that, the P4PV2 is back in production and there is no better craft than that for mapping with the Mech shutter
don't listen to this guy he always bashes Autel
A and J Drone Man lol Facts are facts man, you choose the tool for the job. There is only one mapping option that best for the job and that’s the X4S and P4P due to the mechanical global shutter that prevents rolling shutter in stills as the craft is moving. Now if you stop for each still it’s a different matter however again this is not the model to go for.
Autel largely copy what DJI do and come out about 1-2 years later. It’s a good product but it’s nothing groundbreaking. From the XStar days that was very much a Phantom.
The Evo 2 is a nice looking model however there is nothing ground breaking here and it’s really bringing them inline with everyone else.
Even the Anafi was a better option with the true 20MP camera than the standard model Evo 2.
@@MadRC yea, currently using the P4P. Got it used for an awesome deal that non ekf the V2's could compete with.
The better video system on the V2 would be really nice to have though
I know !!!!
Lol I felt like the 48MP was too good to be true. Looks like they took some notes on Sigmas Foveon marketing.
They did say 48 mega pixel EFFECTIVE.
In very small print I should add.
Mad RC Agreed, marketing in action:)
its all guess work to what they have done, so might be better to wait
What we do know is they have to be doing this as there is no 48MP sensors at 1/2 inch sold today. They also mark their cameras with the sensor model as well. The first true 48MP 1/2 sensor is in final production testing and won’t hit market till mid 2020.
A lot of marketing fluff is going on here. It's a circus of numbers which don't translate into real life results. That is misleading and cheating, make no mistake about that. I was interested at first but became sceptical when I looked a bit closer at the 'Standard' version. You seem to confirm my suspicions. We will have to wait for real life hands on usability and image quality results.
the image quality of the stills is on the level of the Mavic air and far far away from the Mavic 2 quality which is superb compared to this drone. A pity, wish they could produce a drone with a decent camera. (played with the raw files of this drone)
Soooooo, guess you have to have one bad ass computer setup or 8k isn't really that great huh...or even 6k
Exactly ' people are finding out the hard way that in order to edit an 8k or 6k footage they'll need a $3000 computer or they can downgrade to a lower resolution which completely defeats the purpose of owning a 8k drone.
@@stringsattached67 ...but it still has great 4k right??
To identify a true sensor is in the sensor, not the resolution, for example a drone with sensor 401 dpi with 4K resolution, would DESTROY AND RAPE a drone with 8k resolution with a sensor of 200 dpi sensor again and again
IMX586 -> F8ke.
This drone is better than skydio
I would not agree with that at this stage.
The Evo 2 is very much catchup with everyone else, the 1” model is very compatible to the Mavic 2 and the Duel is in direct competition with the Duel from DJI and Parrot. While the Evo 2 Pro is looking to be a very good model it’s object system is not remotely as advanced as the Skydio system.
@@MadRC sorry, meant video output is superior to Skydio 4k 60fps. Skydios2 tracking is the best but needs further tweaking by a lot.
But your saying it here it’s not right we’re being mislead as you state right.period
You avoid the 8k camera and buy the pro instead. Where is the problem? It's called marketing strategy. Mirrorless camera manufacturers have pretty much all gone to this system.
@@kelvin869 I would certainly prefer the 6K 1" sensor over the 1/2" sensor. Most mirrorless cameras are using larger sensors than the 1/2" and some are offering pixel-shift but that is not what is happening here.
The real resolution is in the hardware not the software in other words 8k DOESNT count
The flir cam on mavic 2 is rubbish compared the one on the Autel and it has less vision sensors too. The 48 mp is just a 12 mp that pixel shifts l am guessing. Mavic 2 pro uses pixel binning and or line skipping so this is not new. I will buy the Evo 2 pro for sure.
Not pixel shift, that doesn't work well for video, have to de-mosaic the groups of 4 pixels under each different bayer filter color. Not great for fine detail though and not good in low light.
looks like smoke and mirrors to me.
Samsung and Huawei have all done it before . It’s more marketing games than anything.
What a massive shame is it’s likely as a result others will have no choice but to do the same now to compete with marketing and then we all end up in a cloudy position from all the manufactures
The first evo 2 8k imitates a resolution of 8k but the dot per half inch is half the zoom mavic, it cannot compete as the dpi in the sensor is less than mavic series grade, this is why the mavic 2 zoom and pro beats the evo 2 in, as it has more dpi in the sensor even though using half resolution that is 4k, where it really counts is in the sensor not the resolution high 8k resolution is only 8k imitation, in other words it’s not true 8k
So it’s a scam ripoff bait and switch
That’s harsh words for it as many phone manufactures have pulled the same marketing such as Huawei with the P20 And P30, Samsung have done it with A70 as well but it’s not the same game we have come to expect from normal camera and drone manufactures. What a massive shame is it’s likely as a result other manufactures will have no choice but to do the same now to compete with marketing and then we all end up in a cloudy position
Just like what dji did with their 1" sensor not really operating as a full 1" sensor during filming. Dji line skip and or pixel bin because of sensor overheating issues.
Kelvin that’s not quite the same. DJI are Sub Sampling on the Mavic 2 Pro, this is a method of downscaling the image for the smaller output resolution like 4K as that’s around 8MP. In one mode it does do this to achieve the lower resolution however in FOV mode it is not.
Binning, line skipping and sub sampling are all ways to reduce resolution and while they don’t give the same level of results as proper processing it’s a legitimate method.
However they are here creating resolution in software not reducing it. That’s is a very different thing and is much different to downscaling.
Too bad the FAA is going to kill drones. I’d like to buy one.
Man now everyone is a drone camera designer give me a break must be a DJI fan boy
If your going to troll at least try to understand what’s being said. I’m electromechanical engineer with 20 years experience or audio video systems and photography. I am also highly experienced in UAS systems and design.
If you can prove anything that’s been said is wrong I am 100% happy to correct any wrong or incorrect data that had been provided.
I pride my self on providing technical data fairly and accurately, something that is not always the case and the realty is Autel are the ones pushing the limits here of what’s realty and what’s fact.
@@MadRC I am not trolling and Sony has been made aware of your false claims so I hope you have evidence to back up your false claims.
No issues thanks for helping with that, I also have a list of websites I can refer you too for reporting on the same subject as well.
A and J Drone Man you sound so triggered, grow up and join us.
Yes. It’s 8K. No point in making this video.
Fair enough :)
It's not real 8k. great video!
And it's orange 🤮