The CPU That Almost Killed AMD: Bulldozer FX-8150 Benchmarks in 2020
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- One of AMD's worst architectures was Bulldozer, which was not only behind in performance and efficiency, but also got the company to settle a class action over its advertising. Time to revisit.
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AMD's FX-8150 CPU was marketed as an 8-core CPU, following-up a completely different architecture from the Phenom II series from one year prior. The Phenom II 1090T and 1100T were woefully flanked by Nehalem and Sandy Bridge, and they were also followed-up with Bulldozer, which wasn't the one-two punch AMD needed. The company sort of collapsed on itself as it offered one refresh of Bulldozer after another for the next 3 years (!), before going silent leading into the Ryzen launch. If Ryzen didn't go over well, AMD was in serious financial trouble as it had a limited product portfolio and few industry-leading offerings in any one segment. Bulldozer set the undertone that would highlight AMD's comeback story later in the decade, and likewise set Intel up for years of largely uncontested dominance in the CPU market.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 - AMD's Future Lawsuit: Bulldozer Recap
04:51 - FX-8150 Benchmarks in 2020 (GTA V)
06:02 - Three Kingdoms FX-8150 vs. Phenom 1090T, Ryzen, Intel
07:04 - F1 2019 CPU Benchmarks: FX-8150 vs. 10600K, 1700, 3600
08:41 - Tomb Raider CPU Benchmarks
09:54 - Division 2 CPU Benchmarks with Bulldozer
10:16 - Frametime Plot of 8150 vs. R3 1200
12:27 - Hitman 2 CPU Benchmarks
13:24 - Red Dead Redemption 2 CPU Benchmarks in 2020
14:41 - Blender Cycles CPU Rendering
16:02 - Adobe Premiere CPU Rendering Benchmark
17:11 - Chromium Code Compile CPU Benchmarks
17:43 - AMD FX-8150 Power Consumption
18:04 - Conclusion
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It's crazy to think that Bulldozer nearly put AMD into bankruptcy. It really did set the undertones for the next 5 years of dominance (and slow-down) from Intel, followed by an eventual comeback story.
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Oh shit, it's going down... should put it in the 12 fan oven...
I am pretty confused by all this. I was running a FX-8320 when PubG came out along with my 1080 ti and was getting 80-90 fps on ultra..... THATS AT LAUNCH, WHEN NOTHING WAS OPTIMIZED. Meanwhile your getting 50 fps on GTA V? On a game that is heavily optimized over the last 7 years.
Something dont smell right.... yup i smell BULLSHIT
Lisa Su is our hero also amds hero
I remember, Radeon GPU's save AMD in this time
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"The only emptier void that we've seen is the one in MSI's ethics guidelines" Nice.
Oofff
I'm sure Steve is holding a BBQ party everyday; these companies ain't going to roast themselves.
Of the 3 comments attempting to quote Steve, you’re the only one who actually did.
Side note: is GN now banned from MSI too, not just by ASRock?
O-U-C-H !!!
What did MSI do now?
You are sooooo not getting a Christmas card from MSI this year.
Yeah well, I doubt he'd want one from them.
They would burn it on camera anyway.
They'd send a return label for it anyway
Did I miss something? What's wrong with MSI?
@@eliaskuhnert5768 inside joke heh
Ah yes, the room heater.
Fun fact: Back when we were still running GN out of my old bedroom and cramming 3 people into a 12 x 10 ft space, the FX & Xeon CPUs in our two production systems meant that the AC was actually not powerful enough to get that room under control. We'd have to occasionally leave the room to let it cool down, especially since we had other test systems running in that room!
winters are fun with out heat fx over killed i mean overclocked
now i need a gpu heater stay kinda warm lolz
@@psiklops71 very true, my bills went up when I upgraded from a 8320 to a 1700. the fx 8320 saved me lots of money during the winter.
I had to get a space heater when I upgraded to a 2700, suddenly it was cold in my room
Gamers Nexus that must have been rough. My love of electronics has led me to adore Winters lol.
“The only emptier void we’ve seen is in MSI’s ethics guidelines”
Oof
Big Oof
😂🔥
Sick MSI Burns!
OUCH
out of the loop, can you explain?
As bad as it was, I think it was the most fun I had overclocking. Haven't had the pleasure of tweaking a chip as much as the FX ones. 5.1 GHz on a 9000 series that I got dirt cheap. Though ya.... Paid for it in electricity bills
FX remains one of the highest-clocking consumer chips ever made! It definitely gets credit there.
@@GamersNexus my 8320 still works as an everyday machine (with a 3gb 1060). My R5-2600 is for the gaming stuff.
@@GamersNexus Genuine question, does it matter though? IPC wasn't that good so the number was basically, nice to see, but mostly useless in terms of performance when factoring in extra power and thermals.
I agree with OP's post, about it being fun to OC though.I had an 8350 that did boot 5GHz (under an H80i AIO) and actually made it in Windows, but crashed in stability test...most I could get out of it was 4.85GHz stable without going too high on temps(mostly socket and VRM, package was actually fine, 59-60 at most)
It contributed to heating my home in the winter... So its =/=
@@DeLawrence97 Back then I was happy with 60 fps and near max settings in most games, partly cause I didn't know what I was missing though. Getting a 6850k after the 9590 was a bit eye opening. And the only chip I got above 5 GHz and stable was the 9590. 8370 I think I got to 4.9 stable, for a while.
Still have fx 6300 because 'i am gonna get the next ryzen' every single time
Wait am5 2021
Hoi Hey hoi no?
Yep sitting through studders from my old i5, right there with you
@Darth Draugir same
Had the same cpu, eventually pulled the trigger and bought a 3900x
I will say this about the FX series.
It made living in Virginia as a native Floridian a hell of a lot easier during the winter.
how is that? Virginia does not get cold..
yeah the temps were awful and it's what eventually took my 8350 out for good. although that was mostly because i let my dad use it and he didn't use an air conditioner so i was a bad combination
@@thudtheace you're special
@@Xenotypal same, until i discovered undervolting. im still on my fx 8320, i got it down from 1.4125v to 1.225V and also got a 100 mhz overclock. its time has come though, im picking up a 3600 and a b550 from the postal office tomorrow. just rewatching the classics as a goodbye of sorts.
You could say it was... "The CPU That Almost Bulldozed AMD"
I think this every time I hear Bulldozer in relation to AMD
I like to call it "Gravedigger"
badum, tsss
@@glennv3176 I had a lot of AMD stock at the time. The grave in question was nearly mine=-- tens of thousands gone. Finally made it up last year and this year (and then some)...
😎 nice
The early “Before that” always gets me
And now I, Tech Jesus, will tell you the true meaning of life........ BEFORE THAT
9:33
"The only emptier void we've seen is MSI's ethics guideline"
Savage...
Oooof
"The Bulldozer architecture sucks"
Everyone with an FX 8000 processor: "Yes, we know."
"Yes."
Its not bad for certain things / use case's etc. But ya they suck for anything demanding etc, not gaming reg pc use there not bad for that. But that's about it
Yes, we know. "proceeds to use the cpu with shadow of the tomb raider"
@@YTSZAZU lol
Not really, those AMD fanboys defend it so hardcore, until Intel release their 8-core CPU and realised that an i3 2c/4t can beat any Faildozer chips.
I had one of these through most of college, and it wasn't too terrible when I wasn't playing games. I don't regret it at all.
I still have 2 8150s, each in another PC I don't mainly use. I can say they stay pretty cool.
Just upgraded from mine to a R5-3600 about half a year ago and damn is it ever nice.
My desktop atm is running FX 8320 doing ok still until I get on games like borderlands 3
Mine had some shitty sensors that didn't display thermals correctly (24C at max load with a stock cooler...lol okay). It was literally a worse experience over my Phenom II 1050 by that aspect alone.
From GN I expected at least 2800MHz NB+HT frequencies, that would've squeezed a little bit more frames out of it.
The biggest issue with FX lineup we had here was that most pre-builds, just like with Intel-based systems, included ONE stick of 1333MHz RAM, which HAMMERED any remnants of performance in this chips. And some people ran with it, trying to OC their core clocks and were left utterly disappointed. Even with good on paper specs, I still remember clients face when I removed his 5GHz overclock, rearranged his RAM modules for dual channel, OCed and tuned a bit his RAM, NB+HT with BCLK overclocking (something like 230 BCLK, since it would crash any higher, and i think 12 for HT+NB, 20 for CPU and 9 for RAM). And BCLK OC was the only way to get his board to OC at all, considering half of multipliers didn't work properly on auto. The gains were impressive.
i remember i was SO HYPED for this, i had cpu+board+ram queued in a vendor cart with vendor prices. perks of working in retail with authorization to get stuff for myself with a small flat markup.
money was stacked and ready, the perfect storm for an upgrade. i waited for reviews.
reviews came in. reality settled in. more reviews confirmed. it's shit. what a colossal disappointment.
What FX lacked in performance, it made up for by doubling as a space heater during cold months.
9590 with a couple of R9 280s and you have a cozy little cabin .
Imagine the dual-core Athlon 3000G competing against the "8 core" FX-8150 in nearly every test. Amazing progress, what a time to be alive
The magic in being able to put a am3 cpu in a am2/am2+ motherboard with a bios update while still using ddr2 before finally upgrading to am3/am3+ with ddr3 was one of the coolest thing ever.
Back when twitch was still using flash/cpu decoding, the 8350 didn't sweat while gaming + watching a stream, it even doubled as a heater in the winter! However unoptimized early access games was a whole different story..
I would really like to see a wide range of architectures set to the same frequency and core count. I'd especially like to see if intel has actually made any architecture improvements during the 14∞+ era.
Guru3D always test IPC on the Cinebench section of their CPU reviews, just go to the latest CPU review and take a look.
IPC does not scale linearly with clocks so when you screw with the core clock you throw it all out of wack anyway.... prime example is the completely nonlinear performance curve of Renoir due to having plenty of cache to keep up below 3.4GHhz but running a bit light on cache above that...
@@Wingnut353 ahh, so you'd need to also configure cache identically too, might be some way around it though, very low frequency or some application that occupies a set amount of cache, not sure. There might also be some benchmarks with a very low cache dependancy, but I don't really have a clue
@@NovemberOrWhatever No....what I'm saying is what you are trying to do is completely impossible. If you want to compare CPUs like you want the way to do that is normalize against clock rate not actually change it....
The FX line brought us dark ages over the PC landscape as far as choice goes.
Always wanted a Phenom back then, ended up with the FX... at least I had a nice space heater for two winters.
FX literally made me jump from an 6300 to the core i7 4790 for almost ten years.... And was an always AMD User since 386
Imagine the performance jump consoles will be getting. Mind you, the PS4 CPU is essentially a 2x 4-core Athlon 5150. 1.6 GHz Jaguar microarchitecture (Kabini APU) CPU with its ST score being around just "45" in CB R15. Which is over -50% slower than even 2009 Core 2 Duo E7500's ST performance. Now you have 8C/16T Zen 2. Basically a Ryzen 7 4800H but downclocked to 3.5 GHz max boost outfitted with RDNA 2-based GPU in the same die. And most likely has the same amount of 8MB L3 cache given the Series X's Zen 2 CPU L3 cache is confirmed to be 8MB.
Yeah the bottleneck were the CPUs. The graphics weren't great because the PS4 GPU was between the 7850 and 7870. As we saw though it can look good. The bottleneck were the CPUs and we can tell with open world games.
Also don’t forget the 50-100x increase in storage bandwidth
It's hard to imagine games not being held back by hardware since that's what they've been the last two generations (from a PC perspective).
My last console was a PS2 and I won't ever buy another, but damn I'm excited for this coming generation because of what it means for games as a whole. (bad/outsourced ports notwithstanding)
Not that I would ever abandon my PC, but I hope I get the chance to play on a PS5 when it releases. Especially if it's connected to a high refreshrate display, I never had the pleasure.
It's going to be an insane perf boost on the cpu side. Dev's won't know what to do with this new unlimited power!
The only good thing about Bulldozer being so bad and Ryzen being so good is I've made a pile of cash in AMD stock.
🧠
Same here. Bought a ton of shares back in 3$ per share days and well yeah enjoying it now.
I bought stocks on Nvidia when they were just at 40 or something
420 IQ move
I bought some shares back when it was 5 bucks. It wasn't moving so I started selling calls against those shares. Made a few hundred bucks. Then all of a sudden AMD took off to like $8 within two weeks. Had to let go of the shares. Wish I rolled the contracts or bought to close. AMD has not stopped growing since.
I used an FX8150 for.... a lot of years....
It wasn't.... TOO bad.... 😬
I'm sure I'd definitely be feeling different going back to it after a year using 2700X and last 8 months of using a 3950X.
I used an Fx-8150 for almost 7 years, with radeon hd 7870 at first, and then with rx480. (Now I have a ryzen 3900x and still the rx480)
At 2560x1440 resolution I was definitely GPU bound with the 7870 almost all the time, and then with the rx480 it was case by case. I'm OK running games at 40fps though. I like detail more than the framerates. Must be the types of games I play.
The Fx-8150 wasn't the fastest CPU but it was pretty good for running many things at the same time, since pretty much no game I played could use more than 50% of the CPU, so there was always half of the CPU free for other stuff I'd run in secondary monitors. Now some modern games probably could utilize the Fx-8150 fully, but... yeah.
And back when I switched to the Fx-8150, the previous setup was the Phenom II X4 940, so it was on the previous socket and DDR2, 3GHz and not really an overclocker. The Fx-8150 felt so much faster... And it overclocked very well, I ended up running it at 4.5GHz. It did go up to 4.7GHz but with atrociously high voltages.
I don't regret getting the Fx-8150. It was good enough.
jkk79 its good to hear that some people who own FX 8000 series, still appreciate it, because of good multi core performance.
@@TheRealCatof ...Yeah CIV5/6 needs 165fps.... Not everything is counterstrike
I built a PC in 2012 with an FX 8350 and it was almost in daily use until 2019 when I built a new PC around Ryzen 3600. I certainly got great value for my money.
Pentium 4: Watch my clock speed soar
AMD FX: Hold my beer
"Boil my beer"
FX still holds the record for highest overclock at 8722.8MHz
And here we are in 2022 when AMD reaches 5.7 GHz without OC.
My 8150 welded itself to the stock (Cooler master type) cooler. Yes I know amd PGA cpus get "STUCK" to coolers all the time. This wasn't stuck, this was fused together. It literally became one with the cooler
PGA CPUs get stuck to coolers because people can't grasp the concept of twisting the heatsink
Thanks for the great revisit and putting in all the time and effort to bring us this comparison for such a massive amount of CPUs!
Been an AMD user since the Am386SX days and been through them all: K6-2, Athlon, Thunderbird, Palomino, Thoroughbred, Barton, Venice, and ended up running an X2 6400+ BE while holding out for Bulldozer.
That October day in 2011 when that those reviews and test results came out is the day that I held off an upgrade. I switched to Intel when Ivy Bridge was released in April of 2012, and been running my i7-3770K since. Next stop for me will hopefully be early next year: AMD Ryzen 4000 series for a complete system overhaul!
When I built my first computer in 2014 it was with an A10-7700k. In 2016 I built my second PC with a FX 8320E. In 2018 I built my third PC with an i5-8600. I'm inadvertently good at picking the wrong CPU for whatever's available. Hoping to change that with Ryzen 4000 series for my next PC.
I had an 8120 and it wasn’t great back then either. I switched to a 2600K (which I still have on the side)
If you think Intel is bad and noncompetitive now, that's how *BAD and noncompetitive* actually looks like.
Playing devils advocate here, Intel's current line up isn't that bad compared to current Ryzen consumer cpus.
The FX was beyond bad, if Intel did 4C/8T as top of the line in 2020, then it would be FX levels of bad.
Nothings worse than being anti-competitive & anti-consumer, Intel wins those accolades & that's why I can't stand that damn company!
Are you gonna act like Netburst didnt exist?
I very much like your frame time plots. They really show how performance is. I would love to see more of them.
Always enjoy Gamers Nexus' way of making informative videos that couple as back-handed compliments.
I need all manufacturers to delay their releases as much as possible so that the tech reviewers have nothing to make content on other than old generation CPU/GPU :D
OC'ing a 8150 needs more power than a 64 core 128 thread Ryzen. LMAO!
Well yes, it’s about what Intel’s 9900k is stock out of the box.
Also Threadripper will chug power just like most chips (between double and triple the power draw just like most chips) if you are pushing its limits for performance. I have my TR-1950x at about 465w where it sits nice and happy rendering, my FX-8350 was around 300w chugging away as well when maxed out doing fluid simulations (I would guess a 9900k would be at least 500w for me based on how insane their out of the box power load is and how much faster you need to run them to make it worth anything).
@@jakegarrett8109 9900k, "would be at least 500w" wtf are you saying?
saashaa51 it’s about 250-300w out of the box depending on the motherboard (as they widely vary in voltage). For me, I typically over double the power consumption on things: Fx-8350 stock was 120w, I pushed it to 300 on AIO and 350w on phase (would have been about 500w except at sub-zero it’s very efficient). Ryzen 1700 at most pulled 70w stress testing, mine was crap so I had it running only 135w. TR-1950x was 180w, I pushed it to 465w as my daily on a 120mm AIO. RX-470 stock was ~100w, I pushed it to 300+w per GPU (on air when I set the crossfire record, modded BIOS to unlock power limit). The list goes on, that’s just what I anticipate.
saashaa51 also to make the 9900k worth anything, you won’t be using air/ambient coolers, I’d run it at no less than 6 GHz on phase to make it worth it (which makes it more efficient, but allows much higher overclocks, so not necessarily different power draw). Its simply not worth it to me if it hits some crappy 5 GHz (when my Threadripper was hitting 4.2 GHz easy on 16 core/32 thread that wouldn’t be worth spending MORE for less cores that are barely any faster when you lose quad channel memory and half your cores, as I do a ton of stuff on the side of gaming at the same time I game).
I am quite surprised that you actually made a video on this CPU! I am still using one in my current PC with 12GB RAM and an RX 480. Still does more than adequately for me, but in a fair share of modern games there is noticeable stutter at times. I've gotten used to it, but I can only imagine how much smoother (wink) an upgrade would be.
The legacy of this cpu is the fact it got a lot of working class people on a PC ,
I remember getting my fx 6300 and building my first PC 9 - 19 years ago.
It was so cheap
I skipped that generation and stuck with a phenomen II for years until ryzen. I bout ryzen simply because when it came out it seemed reliable for the price ( no shade at Intel, they make a good product too, just couldn't afford it)
I'm still using Phenom II. X4 to be exact. Good enough for what I use it for.
This'll be good, Im literally running on this CPU watching this. A classmate built it for me in 2012, and I havent upgraded since
Same here i have the 8320 and still runs strong on new titles.
Curious in the past couple of videos I've noticed the IHS of the 3600 has what seems like pits in it? Can be seen @19:31 is this just from the cold plate?
Definitely pitted in some areas. I know Steve uses liquid metal thermal pastes, so my best guess is it being from that. As the gallium in it eats away at the IHS.
@@infamousdoom5503 Well I mean I've seen them use it, but, maybe it's that idk, seemed strange, thought I'd mention it
Will you do a review of old tech? I just saw the Vooler Master V10 and that thing looks interesting enough for a video.
Seeing this makes me even happier with my upgrade from an FX-8350 to a Ryzen 5 3600 for my rig. Seems even my short time with that processor was not worth it, even for me.
Also, love the bonus dig at MSI there.
Oh yeah. I upgraded from a Phenom II x6 1090T to an FX 8350 some years ago and hated that thing. It didn't seem to do any better and sometimes seemed to perform worse even with the same gpu. I only kept that thing a few months before I had to let it and and upgraded to an intel build for the first time. The FX line made me pretty much right off AMD until Ryzen came out and I saw they could actually be good again
@@ram89572 I ended up upgrading from a Phenom II X4 965 to that FX 8350 and it was not worth the hassle. Ran way too hot, sucked at things the Phenom didn't, and because it ran way too hot, it kept crashing the system from overheating causing restarts.
So glad I have my Ryzen system now.
@@Jrodsly Oh yeah. 3rd Gen Ryzen is a beast of a lineup. I have a pc dedicated to just being a handbrake encode machine for ripping and encoding all my dvds and blu rays onto my home media server and I use a Ryzen 7 3700X in it now and it is so good. Render times are way way better than when I used to do them with Ryzen 7 1700X which was already better than the i7 7700 I used before that in that machine. Ryzen is damn good at that kind of task and good a gaming as well.
@@ram89572 Which is why I love my 3600. Paired with an RX 560, it obliterates anything I throw at it, including PS3 emulation, which I never thought I'd ever get to do. I'm set for a long time now, I reckon.
I really wanna see an 8150 vs a 3770k since these were head to head at the time and some reviewers said the 8150 was just as good but better cuz it was cheaper. while i screamed at the top of my lungs that once you remove the gpu bottleneck ( gtx 680's) youll see the i7 shit on the 8150.
Does anyone else notice the weird blocky things moving around in the background of the charts? Is it something to do with the video compression?
Those are an intentional stylistic choice =)
This video hits a lot of relevant points in my building history. I built an 8150 system on launch thinking that the extra cores would let me game better with voice chat software open or do things like edit audio better. The CPU died after ~12 months as a result of a faulty MSI motherboard that allowed some sort of current spike (as far as I can tell) and completely bricked. I went to Fry's and picked up an 8350, got a replacement mobo from MSI, angry about the whole situation. It was never fast at anything and the marketing was a total lie. The cores were gimped split cores and just didn't do well at anything other than raw multithreaded winzip or something asinine.
In 2016 I had finally had enough of the anemic rig and overhauled it with an i7-6700k and Z motherboard. It literally doubled my framerate in most of the things I played.
This isn't even mentioning the extended period post-launch of the 8150 where the performance was even WORSE before a fix was released. I believe it was some sort of Windows shell or BIOS fix for scheduling? Memory of what it was is fuzzy, but was even worse at launch before I was able to apply it.
I had an FX 8350. It was by a long long way the worst CPU I have ever owned.
i had that as well, eventually died of a heat stroke
"AMD wasn't close to declaring bankruptcy. It was making money in the opposite direction" - Oliver P. Smith
You okay, Steve? looks like you injured your left arm. Hope all is well, thanks for all the great content!
Did you guys delid the 7700k that you clocked up to 5.1ghz? Or did you just get insane silicon?
Had a FX-8120 and GT640. Don't ask me how but I actually played like 600 hours of ARK: Survival evolved on it. Yes, the game that a GTX 1080 can't even run at 1080p. I was running at 900p but damn... The abuse that build went through. She did good for $475 in 2012
She wasn’t pretty, but damn she worked hard.
I know that feeling.
Can confirm FX-8350 also has the space heater feature
Also my fx-8300
Any idea why in the first few benchmarks, the 1% and 0.1% lows are lower on the overclocked FX-8150 compared to stock?
Presumably the overclocking generates more heat which leads to throttling. I have had this happen a few times when I still overclocked CPUs.
Which is why it is important to do a lot of rigorous testing.
There are four potential issues. The CPU gets so hot that the cooler needs a bit more time to dissipate the heat; The extra heat in the case isn't removed fast enough; The CPU heats up the motherboard to the point where the system becomes unstable; The CPU heats up the GPU to the point where the GPU starts throttling.
This is awesome you did this...I'm still using an FX8150 overclocked to 3.9ghz ... I use it to game and stream with. In the video yours was over clocked to 4.7ghz... would love to know how you did that... I tried 4ghz and my system isnt stable .. but I'm still running the gigabyte 990eud rev4 with the f2 BIOS ... thanks again for this video
you needed a flagship 990FX motherboard and good cooling to get it to pass 4 ghz (for 8150). The FX8350, could easily reach 4.3/4.4ghz on stock voltage without tweaking. Most chips easily managed 4.8ghz on 1.43-1.48 volt. So I'd rather assume the 8150 would reach 4.6/4.7ghz on the same amount of voltage as my 8350 needed on 4.8ghz (about 1.45v). My old 8350 ran 5.1ghz without problems (at 1.5125v), I did have custom waterloop though and active VRM cooling. I think every chip had at least 300/400mhz overclocking potential without tweaking stock voltages. Also the bulldozer didn't like 4 dimms populated, so maybe that's why you can't get it to pass 3.9ghz. You needed 2 dimms on 1866 or 2133mhz to have it overclock decently, 1866 is preferable. 2400mhz was doable, but I never got high speeds out of the CPU on that ram frequency, the highest CPU speeds I reached were always on 1866mhz memory.
i'm slowly Rollin with my fx 6300
I'm glad I picked up Phenom II and just let that last until Ryzen came around. Likely got away with this was because I was a programmer and not a gamer. Which honestly I much enjoy my twice as fast compile times now, lmao.
I still have an FX-8150 that has been repurposed for:
ESXi
File server
Dedicated folding machine (with a Zotac 106-90 card, no way in hell I'll be folding on that CPU)
As long as the processor is relatively idle, power consumption isn't... awful.
I like how we can barely see the mouse mat under the CEO at the end.
I should power up my old IBM x3755 4 x AMD Opteron 12C 6172 115W 2.1GHz server and run a Cinebench R15
Yes
Tell me the results
Think where we would be without AMD. We would still be buying 4 cute i7's.
...at 10 times the today price...bcause without competition Intel probably rise its price without limit.
That’s assuming intel wouldn’t get into antitrust trouble with the FTC or the EU.
4 cute CPUs at a time? Do you at least but them dinner first? Oh my, that'll be a wild night...
We'd all still be rocking dual cores. If Intel has shown anything, it's that they will milk an architecture for all it's worth, until they are forced to move. Without competition from AMD, they'd just be locking up R&D for a decade, and dribbling it out piece meal.
@@chrisdpratt Doubt it, intel invented Foveros as early as 2015 so they had plans. I also heard that intel was unsure when they'll release 6 core intels because AMD needed to recover to avoid further monopoly charges. If intel released 6 core-12 core processors early AMD wouldn't be as successful as they are not...probably even bankrupt because 1st gen Ryzen was just meh. Seriously intel had Xeon 6 core ringbus CPUs as early as 2010, 12 cores at 2012 etc.
Intel is what kept AMD alive
curious with some of those stutters, bulldozer inserts NOPs into the pipeline if the temperature goes over 65C and that can cause some notable slowdowns and I've seen reviewers not know this and wonder why OC'd 83xx CPUs were slower than stock while letting the temperature get to ~70C on the OC.
I remember when I considered Bulldozer... but after it's release, I stayed with the 1090T overclocked. I did go with an FX8350 later on..... it suited my needs and the cost was ok considering it was a drop in CPU in my motherboard.
i have an 8320, im afraid
Same here. When I'm playing csgo I literally have to open the windows, turn the fan on, get into gym clothes because the heat makes me sweat like in a sauna.
Deep Stereo same 😔
8350 here. It's time.
I had an 8320E, upgraded to a ryzen 5 3600 and it's amazing
KingHelianTheXVIII will once i have the cash
How is Tom Clancy still knocking games out when he died nearly 10 years ago, what's the wi-fi like in heaven, pretty good it would appear, I guess he could use Starlink these days, lol.
You do know they brought out his name
@@DeafOnAllFronts r/woooosh
@@DeafOnAllFronts yes, yes i do, it was a joke, i pretended that Tom Clancy was a games developer and not some old author guy purely for comedic purposes.
@@yakacm :(
@@DeafOnAllFronts r/woooosh
Odd, so I'm wondering about the difference on the 8150 vs an 8150 Black Edition. Mine (Black) is running 3.6 to 3.9GHz using an ASUS Sabertooth (v1) and 32Gb of Ripjaws 1866MHz memory (had to manually set memory timings, have things saved in a profile for any issues later). So far I'm running quite a few things. I have swapped the video card from the MSI Lightning 2 to an MSI Armor O.C. Radeon RX580 (8Gb of video RAM).
What I'm running and FPS (this is on a 2560x1440 60Hz Acer monitor using Displayport. I have set most games to use vsync and 60 frames where possible):
Street Fighter 5 (59)
MK11 (59)
Megaman 11 (would have to check ReLive's info, but the game plays fine)
Megaman Zero ZX Collection (double check the name, but it runs fine, though I'm still only in the first game with a lot to do)
Honkai Impact 3rd (the PC Client, high settings, 60)
Fallout 4 (still need to fix some of my mods but it was running fine, some settings are high, other medium)
MK10 (59)
Mechwarrior Online (high settings, 60)
Sword Art Online Alicization Lycoris (latest patching, ReLive says 58)
Killer Instinct (would need to check ReLive, but it works fine)
Batman Arkham Knight (varies a bit, but lowest is a little over 30, other areas solid 60, no stutter or quality issues)
Bionic Commando and Bionic Commando Re-Armed (both run just fine, would have to consult ReLive for numbers)
Gears 5 (varies a bit by what's going on, but minimum is over 30, but no stutter lag, etc all is smoth)
Things I have yet to run but are on my list:
Battletoads (just came out)
Destroy All Humans (the remake that came out a few weeks back or so)
Horizon Zero Dawn Collection (waiting on some patching there due to sheer volume of complaints I've heard of)
One thing I have found and this may be a Win10 issue: the CPU is getting consumed over time. This could be something related to the other programs in the background too; but considering utilization was at around 27 to 28 after closing some things from the start (things I may want to run most of the time, but not always) it going to 42 after a few days of constantly being on does worry me, a restart fixes it though. Add to that some restarts getting the memory management error (again a restart, though via switch, fixes that) also bugs me, but those have been rare.
Thoughts are welcome, but this is my main rig and I've been using it for video editing too (that takes about double the length of the clip, though we are talking 2560x1440 with 96K audio). Time does not matter in either Wondershare Filmora 9 or Vegas Studio (I have 18 or 19 now would have to check), always about double. Using Filmora mostly as that has been better able to deal with the large @2hr length files I'm editing down to several smaller clips. If anyone knows a good Internet provider for southern Ohio, leave word as I have Frontier 24/2 Mbps DSL and a 15 minute clip is around 8Gb which takes four or so hours to get to CZcams, then they process it before it becomes live. Maybe I'm encoding wrong somewhere, feel free to add some helpful advice.
Bb772 out.
Could you check out if and what older ryzen cpus run on b550? I have an 1700 and it is more then enough for the gaming and coding stuff I do, but my motherboard is crap. So my plan was since the launch of b550 to upgrade motherboard first and then go to 3xxx or 4xxx later. So for me that would be a great upgrade path
My first PC I actually put together myself was an 8350 build, definitely behind intel in about every way, managed to hold out with it until Ryzen came out. Like many others in the comments it was extremely fun to overclock, great video as always!
Oh my old cpu FX 8150 still running at 5ghz with a asus Corsair v formula z . Slow and steady :)
Forgive me if I'm wrong but wasn't there a thing about the 8k series for the FX line having core instability issues?
I just seem to disctinctly remember that since there was a clear comparison at one point where the FX-6300 straight up worked better for a period of time than the 'more powerful' lineup upwards.
And I do remember an example of this where a friend had an 8320 and it had problems with streaming properly but I had a 6300 that did it just fine so he swapped down a 6100 and the problem was solved.
im experiencing a lot of stutter and hitching in games. whats the best way to monitor frametime and diagnose this? i try MSI afterburner onscreen graph but im not sure if it refreshes fast enough to catch the stutters because I see the number doesnt even when I hit very obvious stutters.
Frametime is corresponding to your FPS.
More FPS = Best frametime
Low FPS = Poor frametime
Example ;
High frame let said 90FPS you'll see frametime is 8.5ms
Low frame let said 40 FPS you'll see frametime is 25ms
_*Don't bothered_
Waiting for FX 6300
I am scared. Still on fx 6300... cant wait to go ryzen this year FINALLY
I have such a soft spot for this CPU. It has served me well for 7-8 years now and it's still going strong in my 2nd computer. I also broke my overclocking virginity with it. It's trash, but at least it's MY trash. ^_^
😄😊😘 me to, (2015-2020) specifially the 8320, tho gave it to a friend when upgraded to Ryzen back in 2020 :)) and then upgraded that to a 3800X then 5700G and after then that to the 7820X on X299 cuz bought that to replayce my i7 2600K and it was stronger then my AMD R7 system even tho 5 yrs older so i switched to using my Ryzen 5700G as my secy PC next to the bed, before i downgraded to the R5 2600X from a friend and gave him my 57G cuz i could use it way more then me, but i wanna have an FX rig again and see if i can stand it a month or so :))
I still have my old amd 1200 thunderbird. That thing got really hot in the summer time. Need to see if it still runs after all these years...
They overclock so well . My first cpu I oc was an fx 4300. Had no idea what I was doing.i got it to 4.3 ghz on the stock cooler!
We in the tech community should normalize saying these chips have 8 threads instead of 8 cores. The 8150 feels closer to a 4c8t cpu than a 8c8t cpu
@LabRat Knatz hey I got my 30 bucks so whatever they did back then, I'm ok with
This was AMDs "Pentium 4" moment.
At least they have learned from that disaster, now we have Zen, which is the best. :-)
Which P4 you talking about? Because I had the 2.4C Northwood and that thing was an overclocking beast.
@@willg955
It was low IPC, especially because of it's insane pipeline length and exorbitant speculative execution.
The P III was a far superior CPU.
@@willg955 But the FX CPUs got 5Ghz, so it must be better than ryzen?
Yeah I remember when my parents got P4 and everybody was hyped "OMG you've got P4!". Then i found out AMD Athlon would have been the superior CPU.
Seems like AMD could have used stronger marketing with the FX series.
Except Intel sold an imperial shit ton of P4. The shade P4's get these days would all appear to be retrospective, all these NPC's repeating their scripted lines of dialogue "P4 bad, P4 bad". It reminds me of all the folk that gave Vista shit just because they had read it in a magazine, but never actually used it. Not sure if you'd ever used a P4 or if you were around at the time, but folk didn't think they were shit at the time, not too sure what's happened since then. Doesn't really make any difference to Intel thou, they've made their money off it years ago, lets face it it's hardly going to hurt P4 sales is it, lol.
@@antanasbananas7909 Sandy bridge was out in 2011. AMD could have done all the marketing in the world, It wouldn't have stopped people rather having an i7 2600/2700k over anything Amd had to offer for the next five years
My 8350 has been pretty good to me. Began as my gaming rig running Windows 8, and then went to running Arch-Linux with Steam built against Arch rather than the traditional one from Valve built against Ubuntu. But I mostly used it for video editing/recording and it did well there too, especially when I liquid cooled it.
I want to see the progress of APU's Steve. I would love to see you compare the A10-7850K from the Kaveri era to the 2400G, the 3400G & all the Renoir based APUs (4700G perhaps?) to see how far AMD has advanced in that area. 😎👍
Or even Jaguar-based APUs like those released in the AM1 line vs. the 3000G.
Dudes! Don't test these 10 € chips. Check out the AMD FX-9590 and overclock it. I wanna see the 220 W TDP melt your coolers. :P
THIS.
IMO that topic probably also belong to Linus' Holy $hit
My corsair h100i gtx survived a fx 9590 at 5ghz. Still alive today. I use this cooler with a ryzen 5 2600x now. It wasn't that bad. I installed a wraith prism on the fx 9590 and locked it to 4ghz with no issues.
I want one for 10 euros! Where can I get it?
@@DmitriyDarkJoney Ok I looked at Ebay and I concede I underestimated how much it still costs. Let's call it a 60 € chip. Seems not only old Intel CPU's are ludicrously overpriced, AMD's too.
This video is like kicking a dead horse over and over knowing the horse is already dead .... And we the viewers are just sitting there watching it ...we should be a shamed for not stepping in...
Sandy bridge/ivy bridge killed off Bulldozer as soon as it was released. Haswell literally danced on its grave. I guess videos like this are just for the kids that can't remember that far back, I don't honestly see an awful lot more point to it
I got a brand new Ryzen 5 3600 still sitting in the box as a planned upgrade to my FX 8350! Still rockin it with my R9 Fury at 1440p and have 0 issues running ALL games at 60 FPS or close at high settings..
Since you're doing AMD retro benchmarks, I have an FX-60 that I daily on Windows 8, haha. Seriously though, that's a lot of time and patience to bench those old relics. Well back to BF2!
I love the analysis; I just wish that you'd have added CPUs from Intel such as the Sandy Bridge. Great video nonetheless!!
I do see your wider point that shows how far AMD has come. I don't recall ever seeing just a massive leap from one architecture to another from any of the big 3. AMD made the greatest comeback in history with their Zen architecture, particularly their modularity.
Ah the FX series... I bought into the FX line when I was new in DYI computer space and thought having eight "true cores" were better, for a cheaper price... Boy how I was wrong. Still have that FX build of mines, but mainly use it as a MC server, as I couldn't part away from it, since it was more or less my first PC upgrade build. But it was an upgrade from the old Ahton II x4 chip of my first build :P
Needed some similar aged/priced Intel CPUs for comparison but nice information right here
Every video i see about fx cpus seem to miss bus (fsb) overclocking but this is where i personally saw the most performance improvement. Setting the ram at ~1600 or 1866 and then bus oc till it reaches ~2133/2400 then get whatever else you can on the all core. Was often a challange getting it fully stable but I was running it daily by the end and it would often be the difference between a game being 'playable' or not.
GN presents ol'dozer imo. Probably does better with them apps about it's release date.
AMD chips used to have a lot of OC headroom. I'm glad to see they just use the potential and warranty the parts now.
I disagree. If they would have withheld that potential the kids today would still have to learn all aspects of O.C. to understand exactly why AMD is the company that represents the industry of gaming and enthusiast. They made it too easy to compete with intel for mainstream profits and lost sight of what made their profitable.
@@pearlrival3124 if they withheld that potential? you mean by making worse products that need heavy manual tuning to be competitive? or locking OC features behind paywalls like intel? just so that "these darn kids nowadays" have to learn manual overclocking just to "understand" and apprieciate AMD products? if that happened AMD would still remain a niche company with subpar products. Profits would have plummeted and we would still buy intel 4 Cores today. to me your comment embodies the worst of Hipster Tribalism.
@@SteveAkaDarktimes " to me your comment embodies the worst of Hipster Tribalism." lol The read was worth the laugh, but the comparison is read towards the "hipster" generation whereas it should be read towards your grandfathers tribalism. Too be clear, the capabilities are there its a question of whether or not you can access those capabilities. To knock the bulldozer is to simply say "I can't o.c." If you don't have that mental capability buy intel. Make no mistake AMD will bring attention to this audience again. the market is there. mainstream p.c.'s is where low profit margins lay. high margins are in the aftermarket "K's" and "X's". why do you think you haven't seen the 3300X yet? This is AMD's worst failure.
Im still happy with my 1055T, but im waiting for zen3 to see if i get a used zen2 or depending on the prices a zen3 and then wait another 10 years for the next upgrade
I'd love to see a 9590 revisit. I had one. I bought it as my first new in box pc parts, before I really clued in to all of this stuff.
"The only bigger void is msi's ethics guidelines." Ouch that ones gotta hurt lmao
Side note: As an GTX 1060 3Gb owner, I hated my pc every step of the way... Literally such a trash card.. Just me?
I had it and i played pretty much everything then perfectly..I loved it and it was very quiet.
Then why you buy it?
It was faster than the 1050 Ti but slower than the RX 570.
I have the 6gb version. I love it. But the 3gb version is a bit of an odd one though.
@@Gargantura i was a moron
I held onto one of these bad boys and did single pc streaming with it for quite a long time. Up until a couple months after the 8700k launch at which point I finally decided to upgrade since my video render times were quite awful! I sure did get a ton of mileage out of it as a CPU though.
I never really overclocked it mind you since I live in Texas and my AC unit could barely keep it under 80F in my room already!
Hi,I'm going to have a question. Asus rog strix b550-f gaming vs gigabyte b550 aorus pro. Which is more iy in terms of performance, software, cooling. Which one should I get?
www.techpowerup.com/review/asus-rog-strix-b550-f-gaming-wifi/
www.techpowerup.com/review/gigabyte-b550-aorus-pro/
Just read that and decission is up to you
Holy; I had that CPU because I totally fell for the marketing and didn't know what a benchmark was back then. I guess people like me were the target group for these CPUs.
People learn from mistakes.
@@Kynareth6 Sure did! I'm a system administrator now and man do I know how to compare benchmarks!!
I still rock the 8150 in a Theater-PC. It sucks man! I put a 10Gbe Nic in it when I upgraded my home network to 10Gb, and the damn CPU is so Slow, that it caps out transfers across the network at about 400MBps. I did weeks of testing on this, and while it will spike to 800MBps every now and again, it ended up being just a limitation of the CPU able to keep up with the RSS (Receive Side Scaling.)
Anyways, Great Video, And So True!
Thats not it, u should try Linux an zfs file system, that will make ur transfers so much faster, and there are some great free distros u can get that are easy to use, i wish Microsoft would move to zfs it would make things so much faster it would be insane
@@sarahwilliams4396 LOL! Yes. ZFS Works great, I agree. Thats the File System I use on my Storage Server that I was testing to. As I mentioned, this is a Theater PC, a PC that I have 3 HDHomeruns Connected to record/watch 9 Channels (9 Tuners total), that the Rest of the House Connect to using Kodi/Plex to watch TV. Its basically the DVR for my Entire House. Unfortunately the only options on Linux to use as a PVR do not allow you to record encrypted channels, and even on Windows you have exactly 1 Option currently. So for better or for worse, until a new Program comes out that supports recording Encrypted Channels (Which seem to be growing btw, it used to be just the paid channels like HBO, Showtime, etc, now its even the damn News Channels, its stupid) I am stuck with recording, at least with a Windows VM. The Idea was to add the 10Gbe Nic to increase bandwidth to the PC, not that I need it to record content, but its nice to be able to Move data Quickly to the Backup Server, makes life better. 400 is still better than 100MBps, so I am still happy.
But when dealing with Windows, FX can not handle 10GBe. I know people always want to find a way to say "No you are doing it wrong, Linux" which I understand, but unfortunately Linux is not right for every situation. Also, with a different Processor, even something like a Intel 6100, On the VERY SAME Image of the OS, with the only difference being the change in Drivers for the Intel Hardware, but using the same exact driver for the 10Gbe Nic (Which is also Intel btw) it hits 965MBps average consistently. So in this situation, with this Operating system, the FX Processor is indeed the bottle neck with this particular Workload, however it handles the simultaneous recordings just fine, along with having every Shield/PC in the house connected to it and Streaming a show, without any hiccups, which is where the 6100 Fails, so I decided to keep the 8150 in service for that reason.
Linux can be the answer sometimes, but not every time, you have to know the specific workload and usecase before flying in and Screaming LINUX at every person who mentions Windows, there is a time and a place my friend.
(That said, I LOVE MY ZFS STORAGE SOLUTION! I got that Dialed In perfectly with Double Redundancy, and the ability to Easily Expand so beautiful!)
have u guys done a video like this on intel yet?
You should try overclocking the FX CPUs with FSB instead of (only) multiplier. I think there is more gain there.
yay! like so we can let steve know we appreciate his channel! I love you guys GN!
I got like $30 for the class action lawsuit if I remember correctly.
Hell yea broseph, bought some joints that day, blaze that purp derp a skerp lurp
I had an 8320 and a R9 390x combo in university, good times.
Still gaming on my old Phenom II 965 BE @3.9 on AM2+ mobo and DDR2 :)