The Abandoned & Cancelled Disney Animations You’ll Never Get To See: 1990-2015 (Part 2)
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- Explore Disney’s Abandoned & Cancelled Animated films from 1990 to 2015, from the Original Lost Emperor’s New Groove, a sequel to Roger Rabbit, Disney’s “dirty” first CGI film and more! A deep dive into the stories and history behind these cancelled Disney animations.
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Kingdom of the Sun footage from "The Sweatbox" by Xingu Films
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Hey all, hope you enjoy Part 2 exploring The Abandoned & Cancelled Disney animations! Similar to what I posted in Part 1, in order to best avoid too many “You forgot about…” comments, I thought I’d quickly share the criteria I used to build this episode:
1. Had to be a FEATURE LENGTH animated film, as the list of shorts would require an entire series of its own.
2. Only films that will never see the light of day and that aren’t currently in the works for an alternate version, or were simply reworked into a similar film aside from 1 or 2 exceptions where the story is particularly interesting and rich with history.
3. Also keep in mind that some "cancelled" Disney Feature Animations just don't have enough history or available visuals to tell a proper story, I include a few quick ones near the end as a "bonus", but some films are just as simple as "Disney almost made (insert here) film...and they didn't", which aren't the stories I am particularly interested in telling, as plenty of "list/top 10" videos have already done that.
How about talking about Disney's cancelled remakes like "The Yellow Submarine" movie.
What about Newt, the Pixar movie that was shelved because it was too similar to Rio?
You forgot to mention that Marie was going to be the main protagonist of The Aristocats II.
Otaking Mikohani That film wasn’t shelved because of the Rio similarities, I’ve never found a source on that.
@@bigredjanie Well it's pretty obvious that that's the reason.
Disney cancelled a Roger Rabbit sequel because its old (31 years) but does a sequel on Mary Poppins which is 55 years old
TBF, the Roger Rabbit sequel was around when Michael Eisner was in charge, but I get where you're coming from.
10 years at the time
Mary Poppins is way more popular than Roger Rabbit.
Jes Lightning I’m just talking about how they cancelled the sequel for Roger Rabbit just because it was okd
They also made Oz the Great and Powerful, a prequel to the Wizard of Oz (1939), in 2013, which is a 74 year difference.
"...a tribute to an old, fat and dead movie director..." The arrogance of modern Disney executives summed up in one concise statement.
Yep. Sounds like whichever exec said that just doesn't understand movies. Hitchcock is one of the greatest and most recognized directors of all time. Sure, the kids watching in 2009 wouldn't have understood the references, but most adults would.
I was surprised by the comment...seriously the film looks like it would have so much potential even beyond as a nod to Hitchcock. It's so different than the remake garbage that's playing right now.
The mystery Disney Executive that said those words, I hope they die and rot in Hell for calling Hitchcock Old, Fat and Dead...
That’s the one I wanted the most, too.
You should specify that the director they're referring to is ALFRED FUCKING HITCHCOCK! Cuz THAT fact just absolutely drives the point home and then some. What a bunch of arrogant fucking retards who have NO business being in the film industry, especially in a position of authority. Like...just....god DAMN!
"The villain of Treasure Planet 2 was going to be voiced by Willem DaFoe"
We were ROBBED!!!!
HELL YEA WE WERE
Dafoe: But You Can’t Do This To Me,
YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I SACRIFICED?!
"William" Dafoe, according to Yesterworld. Never heard of him.
I didn't understand at first.
We sure did
@@jaketaller8567 "You're out, Norman"
Look, I love "Emperor's New Groove", but DAMN this "Kingdom of the Sun" sound SO AWSOME. And I would LOVE to see "My People", Chicken Little is ok, but to think they choosed this movie over all the ideia and concept of "My People"? WTF.
Disney should stop doing those "live actions" no one asked for and re-visited all of her old ideas, they are sitting in GOLD but are ignoring. And if they do so... pretty please, in 2D animation. 3D is fine, but everyone misses the sweet 2D Disney style.
Watch Doraemon: Nobita and the Legend of the Sun King, has similar plot
Yesssss I much prefer their 2D animation! 😭
Did you called Disney as a "her"?..
@@redpanda6497 yes a she
We coulda had an animated movie set in Appalachia, but we got fucking Chicken Little
Disney dropping my peoples for chicken little reminds of when sony dropped popeye for the emoji movie
I just noticed that popeye never came out
Actually Popeye has just been postponed and will be worked on
That's not what happened. Popeye was SHELVED, and Sony needed a hit, any hit, and The Emoji Movie proved to be financially successful.
Oh God don't bring that up
@@SirBlackReeds Maybe so but that movie still sucked crap. People all over bashed the movie for how stupid and awful it really is. It's seen as one of the worst animated films next to Foodfight and Norm of the North.
Disney should stop milking Live Action Remakes that are Garbage and should focus on reviving these Scrapped Movies instead
Maybe they will when the live action remakes stop making a billion dollars
They make what people go to see. Blame the people who buy tickets every time they make another one.
To be fair, not all of them are terrible. Jungle Books is probably the best of the bunch in terms of, while having elements from the original, be different in quite a few ways.
@@Nihyre I do. If critics and CZcamsrs would stop going to see these movies just so they can rip them apart, maybe Disney would stop making them.
That being said, many of these cancelled films were cancelled for a reason. I doubt Disney would revisit the majority of them.
That's how you know Disney doesn't have any new ideas.
As a Peruvian, The Emperor's New Groove is literally a cinematic masterpiece and no one can convince me otherwise. Although I am incredibly curious about Kingdom of the Sun
tmb soy peruana y esa peli es buenisima
The plot of "twins switching" is a overused cliché.
I'm Latino and the Emperor's New Groove is 1 of the best Disney movies ever! It's so Disney-like. It's what I expect Disney movies to be like, fun adventures, good humour and just magical.
I grew up with Disney since I was a kid in the 90s and I watched ENG for the first time ever in 2020. Very late, but loved it so much! It surprised me. Very underrated.
@@Jose04537 I agree, I only learned with this video that there was a Prince and The Pauper switch in this film, and I'm not that jazzed about that. the rest of the movie sounds amazing, though.
Yeah. Kingdom of the Sun probably would’ve been rlly cool but if it wasn’t for The Emperors New Groove we wouldn’t have gotten Kronk. So I’m glad that we got The Emperors New Groove.
the quote that made the guy walk out of Wild Life:
“have you ever been down a manhole before?”
it was said in a scene where two gay characters were walking into the sewers
DatsNotGood 88 lmfao iconic!
Damn what a baby, it’s not like kids would’ve understood it lmao
and Roy said "SHUT IT DOWN!" xD
So basically, sounds to me like it had way less to do with it being "inappropriate humor" but yet another attempt at trying to erase and shame gay culture.
That's pretty tame, TBH.
Canceling A Few Good Ghosts for Chicken Little...
Unforgivable.
Also, Laika should pick up The Shadow King if it is still being shopped around. That just looks and sounds too good to let slip.
Arik Morales this 100% I want Laika to finish The Shadow King even if it needs heavy retooling and rewriting
I don't get why Henry even made it outside of Laika. Seems like their kind of movie.
I too would've liked to see the cool combination of cartoon and computer animation of "A Few Ghost." It would've been a new accomplishment for Disney.
@@dreamguardian8320 indeed , and it was in 2003.
If it was released in 2000 , it would flop , but 2003? people would want that
I agree that he should return with that , but I do not disagree with the executives to shut down in that moment.
50 millions is a huge numberat that time , that been said , if it was made and released today , it would perfectly work , as we had only Frozen 2 and Toy Stor 4 as the big animation movies from this moment , a third animation would be welcomed , let alone it would be change of pace from the current animation desing from Disney.
So, basically Kingdom of the Sun is just the first draft version of Emporer’s New Groove.
Yeah and I would love to see it, if they haven’t deleted
@@rickycarr4337 At least Yzma's song made its way to the official soundtrack
@collaterale1 I also like the walk the llama llama song
Man i kinda want to watch it, i mean i actually liked ENG but this concept sounds really cool
It didn't work in the first place because it didn't have Kronk in it
"tRaDiTiOnAl aNiMaTiOn iS dEaD" People are so short-sighted.
And never mind that they basically killed projects like Treasure Planet themselves. They self-sabotaged their own projects and then blamed it on changing appetites of consumers. People have been begging for quality, traditionally animated feature films to make a comeback, and the recent success of movies like "Klaus (SPA Studios) prove it.
Klaus is a 2d animation? TIL
@@user-gp5yz5yz4x Yes! It’s 2D but shaded to look like cgi animation!
I think the succes of ghibli studios is a better example
"Traditional animation is dead!"
Anime: *Maybe I am dead*
@@oosthakker Ghibli also tried to get into 3D though with Earwig and the Witch. It flopped of course.
can we just appreciate that concept art for "King of the Elves"???? it's so beautiful wtf
Seriously, imagine it being animated. It would have been amazing.
I wish we could have still gotten King of the Elves and Gigantic.
"This subject could take up an entire video"
Then make it another video! I'd totally watch it!
yes
Yes! Please
please
You can see the documentary itself - "The Sweatbox" - on vimeo. All the gory details are there! It's amazing!
I don't understand how Treasure Planet did so poorly. It's literally my favorite Disney film. It's spectacular.
Finally someone said it. I was searching the comments for any mention of Treasure Planet for ages. This movie is so bloody good, why are people not talking about it more. My heart stung when I heard it was supposed to be a franchise. Bring Treasure Planet back.
Because the dingbats in charge of its release didn't advertise it hardly anywhere and they set a release date that had it directly compete with Harry Potter: Chamber of Secrets and Lord of the Rings: Two Towers.
@@celelorien ONE OF MY OTHER ALL-TIME FAVES ASSASSINATED MY OTHER ALL-TIME FAVE? NOOOO
Avery Nelson That must hurt doesn’t it.
I'd recommend watching the video "Treasure Planet: Disney's Biggest Mistake" here on CZcams. The name makes it sound like a negative video, but the creator actually praises the movie and proposes a theory on why it flopped so hard. Great video. I love it as a huge fan of the film.
It wasn't CGI that drew crowds. It was better stories. Disney's stories became tepid at best but largely unmoving pieces. Hand drawn animation is timeless. CGI ages as technology improves. All I can say is these are very interesting and I can't wait to see what's next.
I know this comment is old but my thoughts exactly. Toy Story didn't succeed because it was animated in 3D, it succeeded because it had the Disney spirit Disney itself was lacking at the time. With the exception of the Disney movie, a lot of the core elements of what made Disney films so great were missing towards the end of the 2D era and Pixar encapsulated it perfectly.
I'd say Toy Story's visuals have aged somewhat well. The humans look uncanny and Scud looks odd, but otherwise the movie is kind of a technical marvel for 1995. Pixar mostly stuck to non-human characters to avoid the uncanny valley and didn't attempt human visuals until Finding Nemo.
@@AluminumFusion22 part of the reason Toy Story's visuals still holds up is because it's about toys. All the characters are made of plastic, so it doesn't matter that they are low detail or that the rest of the scenery isn't as good as what's possible today. Toy Story 3 and 4 definitely looks much better, but the story is also not remotely as good
Chi was something new though so that may have been part of the reason
lovely.. so they're basically being like "Nah, original animated films suck! LIVE ACTION REMAKES is where it's at!"
Screw that noise, I'd rather see some of these movies finalized.
Some were in the Eisner era
Well it's easier to remake something that already exists other than being creative
@@Lu-dm7rn
It's easier to be lazy.
The only reason reason Disney are churning out live action remakes, is so that they can maintain IP ownership. There are laws around IP ownership that say you have to do something with the IP within a certain amount of years otherwise you lose the IP rights.
This is why we're seeing so many bad reboots and remakes of late.
@@xcab66 Which is odd because they DON'T own the IP directly, sure they own their version of Aladdin, beauty and the beast etc. but the original works are in the public domain (something which annoys Disney no end I imagine despite the fact the entire reason that half their movies exist is due to public domain stories especially during the reniassance era).
Like if I wanted to make an animated version of 'a 1001 Arabian nights' and have the Aladdin story in there, as long as I don't make it obvious I'm copying the Disney version (like include a blue wizecracking Genie) there is sweet FA Disney could do to stop you.
The frustration levels of the animators, producers, etc must be incredible, having spend months, sometimes years, concentrating on producing the best storylines, characters and their animations, etc, only to be notified of pending cancellations. And Disney's profits to be able to simply extinguish a production 50 million USD in must be huge, even if tax deductions exist. I live in hope some of these forgotten gems will be reincarnated in the future. Incredibly interesting vids bro. Looking forward to the next.👍👍🇦🇺
Yet they still need their arm twisted just to pay park workers a $15 minimum wage.
As much as I enjoy watching a good film, since I became aware of just how much money goes into producing such things I can't get over the fact that it's a huge waste and quite offensive to all of the people who are struggling and suffering for lack of resources yet a company will shell out millions for superfluous and ultimately unnecessary entertainment. Priorities are not in order here sadly.
I don't think that time is ill-spent just because there isn't a final product for the public. The budget reflects all the people who were getting paid during that time. And the writers, animators, etc. hone their skills. Sometimes a story isn't a working or it's not the right moment. And if concepts do get revived, this early work might be useful in the future.
Everyone just casually ignoring that Bugs is Roger’s dad omg
I loved it, but the question remains: WHO'S THE MOM?!?! I always thought Walt should've thought of Roger himself back in the thirties or forties as his answer TO Bugs, then there would've been all of the Roger Shorts and he would've been a character at Disneyland from the beginning. I watched a Disneyland Sing-A-Long video from 1990 and he's there with Mickey, Minnie, Donald, and Goofy, and he just fits in so perfectly with them!
I doubt it would ever be taken as canon. I would not believe Warner Bros being on board with it lol. However ... they did let them feature alongside Mickey & Donald in the actual film.
That's what they get for not coming up with Roger themselves way back when to compete with Goofy and whatever Max's name was. 'Bugs N Roger' sounds like either a 40s radio show or a comedy routine:) Too bad, Warner Bros, you could've had gold!
oh, please, who didn't know that...
It's not just that, I read somewhere that, I watched one of these sorts of presentations that stated that Judge Doom was supposed to have been the one that shot Bambi's mom. That one I could see.
"Bugs Bunny was Roger Rabbit's father."
My brain: /RECORD SCRATCH NOISE/ WHAAAAAAAAT?!?!?!?!
CosplayCore I knew it!
So did Bugs just...
Granted, I don't think people would have been keen on the idea of Bugs being a deadbat dad.
So meatcanyon was right all along
Not only would that tie Bugs Bunny to Roger Rabbit, but it’d prevent the inking of Lola Bunny.
What’s weird is that the Manko meaning a...ummm “female organ” is not wrong. It’s just weird for David Spade to mention that in a documentary for Disney LOL
It's not that surprising if you know how raunchy David Spade is as a person. The fact that he knew that is extremely on brand for him. I'm more shocked that they didn't cut it from the documentary.
Well the doc definitely isn't a finished product. It was supposed to be a making-of for the movie but then got retooled into a documentary about the collapse of the original version. Disney didn't release it officially, so I imagine that bit of David Spade wasn't something that would've been allowed in the final version if they HAD decided to release it.
Wait? How is an organ female?
@@stevelucky7579 I believe he refers to an organ that’s only found in females.
Obviously he’s talking about the appendix. /s
I know this comment is quite late, but if I'm not mistaken, the documentary wasn't *by* Disney, it was by a completely independent crew as far as I recall.
i still wish they wouldnt view 2d animation as dead, cuz it just has a better feel to me and gives more emotion that 3d for the most part, (exceptions not withstanding)
3d gives more emotion than 2d for me
The classic 2D look often requires more complicated movements. That's why Disney went with the lumpy looking 3D characters, because they can be moved like the noodle arm characters of the 1920s and 1930s. Also, the backgrounds are easy to make with 3D; especially, when using real locations. As such, they most assuredly sabotaged their 2D studios with The Princess and the Frog, which was obviously worse than Tangled, and used Tangled to move the studios completely into 3D.
@@litigioussociety4249 the princess and the frog is the stain upon the Disney legacy that never can be forgiven. that film is truly the epitome of disgusting and should not exist.
I wish Disney would be more open to preserving as well as highlighting the art of animation as a whole. The old animated films are works of art, and I don't see why Disney can't look into the idea of doing an old school animated film every once in a while instead of reworking old films as live action. They don't care about Walts dream, those CEOs only see dollar signs.
Yes anime is crazy popular its not dead the later disney 2d animation just weren't good.
Disney when they see an original interesting idea: 👎
Disney when they see a boring idea that would make more money: 👍
I guess that's how the lame show Teen Titans Go is still on the air, even though there are millions of people who hate it. I just don't see how bad ideas like those work and how they can make more money, when they should just put the companies in trouble, like going out of business.
Dream Guardian
How... What... ???? I don’t even know what angle to approach these two comments from... They’re not just generic takes, they’re claims that don’t even make sense- Congratulations, you two just gave digital form to my sleep paralysis.
@@dreamguardian8320 Teen Titans Go! is still on the air because it's very succesful, with great ratings and it is awesome. It also stays on the air especially to annoy stuck up DC fanboys who lack any sense of humour.
That's so sad.
It's hard to be original
i NEED to see Yzma’s song “Snuff Out The Light” from The Kingdom of the Sun fully animated. i really love emperors new groove, but i really want to see what Kingdom of The Sun would’ve been.
The plot of "twins switching" is a overused cliché.
@@Jose04537 Have you seen a single Disney movie?
The "Wildlife" joke he's referring to is the one scene where two gay characters are planning on going down a sewer, then the other says "Have you ever been inside a manhole before" or something like that. 🤦♂️
Now that just makes me want to watch it.
Lmao that's funny but totally inappropriate for Disney. They were nuts to think that kind of humor would fly lol
No wonder Disney didn’t allow gay people in their media until 2016.
honestly iI think Roy stormed out because he's a damn homophobe and hates being reminded that gay people exist.
The short skirt ass sticking out whorish looking characters didnt help either Im sure
I would've liked to see the original Emperor's New Groove since Yzma had a song but I like the one that we got. Which deserves its own secret lab coaster. Kronk is my favorite Disney character. PULL THE LEVER KRONK!
I was torn on this one, as while the original seems like it had a lot of potential as a more "serious" film, and could've been ranked alongside the renascence era classics, I love ENG, and without it we wouldn't have Kronk!
I'm personally glad that ENG turned out the way it did. Disney already did The Prince and the Pauper with Mickey, and it was much better than Kingdom of the Sun could have been. Plus, I've always seen ENG as Disney's Anti-Disney movie, basically becoming a parody of Disney tropes right down to Yzma's transformation into a small kitty mocking Maleficent and Ursula's final boss forms in their respective movies.
And While I'm on the subject, I think a perfect sequel to Roger Rabbit would have taken place in the late 50's, and have Roger and various other toons coping with the advent of television and the death of the theatrical short. They kind of explored that with the comic book series, but I'd love to have seen a stronger take on it.
WRONG LEVAAAHHHHHH!!!!
@@ghostchaser1631 Why do we even HAVE that lever!?
Why do we even HAVE that levahhh?
Projects like these make me want a way to go to an alternate universe where these films happened.
@Gulorful, You and me both bro, I honestly can't stand living in this prodigal timeline where all these good promising films be put to waste because of Disney's idiotic decisions when they think more about the money than the stories.
Ikr
If I ever get my hands on a means to visit alternate timelines, I'll just grab a buncha movies that never got made out in ours and bring them back here.
Better make sure the tech is compatible with ours. Wouldn't want to go on a massive adventure, getting some cool disks/tapes (some of these things are that old), putting it in the appropriate machine, and finding out it doesn't work
Or coming to the realization that the alternate universe uses Betamax instead of VHS
This ironically actually sounds like a good idea for a movie
I'd love a timeline where Toy Story bombed with the first draft of the story and 2D animated movies were still around.
I'd also love a timeline where Robin Williams as much as I like him, wasn't in Aladdin so regular voice actors were the focus
of the movies afterward instead of boring celebrities.
R/lost media just lit on fire
The movie cancelled in favor of Chicken little was a sin. It would've been so much better.
Up top🙏
wow, they chose chicken little over My peoples... man that... that was the wrong move, I think I would have liked My peoples.
Exactly what I was thinking, man. Mind, I enjoyed Chicken Little. It was surprisingly rough around the edges for a Disney flick but it was quite funny, mostly thanks to Steve Zahn. But yeah, that sounded really cool...kind of like Burton's 9, honestly.
I agree with you too
We truly live in a cursed timeline
I thought the same thing myself.
It was completely wrong move. They made a very mean spirited and unfocused movie, Chicken Little was the first Disney Movie I hated. Within time I learned to at least not hate it but still, I'd love to have seen the scrapped one.
I am so tired of seeing the same movies being released I want to see something new, Disney needs to stop making live action remakes and instead revive some of these cancelled projects.
ember moto Well Bob Iger hates creativity he only wants something that will make a quick buck for him.
@@TheDigitalApple Bob Iger would fir in with the video game industry.
If Bob Iger leaves The Walt Disney Company someday in the future,there has gotta be someone very smart and very responsible to run the studio.
Where they can make a crap ton of good chooses and maybe revive not only most of these scrapped projects from their research library (cough cough The Thief & The Cobbler cough cough) but also revive 2-D Hand-Drawn animation for US theaters.
@@Joshua_Quinzel_Isley He's supposed to retire next year. Their is no word on who will his successor be yet.
Digital Apple Thank god Bob Iger is gone!
Disney: We chose to develop Chicken little over A few good ghosts due to it having stronger appeal with audiences
me: you chose poorly
Very poorly
I actually liked CL but i'd trade it for A Few Good Ghosts like how i'd trade Rick And Morty for Venture Bros.
I Love chicken little
Corporate execs really need to get out more. They seem to think they have their fingers on the pulse of audiences but in reality they have their fingers on the heel of audiences' feet.
@@ocarinaplaya or their finger up their own asses.
The fact that we'll never see Eartha Kitt's "Snuff Out the Light" in any official Disney Canon is a TRAVESTY. That song is one of the best Disney Villain songs of all time and performed by one of the greatest artists of our generation.
I would also LOVE to see that documentary about the downfall of the movie. I hear it's scathing
I want to see the documentary too!
It's a shame "My Peoples" wasn't pitched a few years sooner. Out of all of the pitches from Part 1 and 2, this is the first one where I stopped and said "That would have been a great movie".
Fun (and kinda disappointing) fact: Robert Zemeckis said back in January of this year in an interview that Disney has a great script for a sequel to Who Framed Roger Rabbit that’s just gathering dust there. He says that Disney doesn’t care about Roger anymore because he’s not a princess or a part of any popular franchise.
No McClevername Rodger should be a princess then
he's better than a princess....... lord how i loved Roger Rabbit when I was a little kid. it's incredibly tame compared to the stuff i watch now but at the time (it was one of the first films i saw in theatre) it scared the hell out of me while also educating me on many important subjects.... prohibition, how progress can ruin lives as well as business, how important wills are, that you can love anyone regardless of what others think, the difference between prostate and probate, and that you should never give a distraught rabbit alcohol.
Sure, that doesn't sound bitter.
Ironically, he might have been a popular franchise if they took him back
Coy Raig I hope that with Disney+ they make some more films or tv shows of older franchises
I think Emperor's New Groove is a grossly under-rated gem. It is genuinely hilarious to me, and it's one of my all-time favorites.
Timestamps
0:37 Roger rabbit 2
2:28 kingdom of the sun
7:12 Wildlife
9:07 my peoples
12:22 the original toy story 3
16:03 fraidy cat
17:08 dumbo and aristocats 2
19:27 American dog
2014: the shadow king
21:13 king of the elves
*20:14
1997 Eisner: We don't need a remake of an old film
2005 Eisner: Let's bring Herbie back
Umm, Roger had nothing to do with rebooting anything.
The joke in Wildlife that pissed off Roy E. Disney was this:
These two gay characters are about to enter the sewers and one says to the other, “Have you ever been down a man hole before?”
Funny! But i absolutely see why Roy wanted this movie gone. Maybe the idea and such can be sold off, I'd love to see it one day.
Thanks. For some reason I can't find anything about the movie on CZcams.
Ok that was a nice pun.
Why can't they just sell that idea to an animation studio that makes adult films?
@@sparkarez its on Google
“Have you ever been down a manhole before?”
Classic
I want to live in the dimension where Fraidy Cat is my favorite Disney movie! :O
Disney isn't interested in artistic quality, just successful products.
I mean they can make bad chooses and be pricks sometimes.
Idk about that one they could of made my people and actually make money instead of chicken little which about no money and is also shit fight me
Considering how Kathleen Kennedy has ruined Star Wars.... are they?
They are a business
You're wrong, Disney is one of the industries that cares most about producing art!
Couldn't Disney just release these more mature movie under a different studio? There's a marketing potential for a studio catering mainly to adults look at Adult Swim.
They released The Nightmare before Christmas under Touchstone.
But now Disney has their name on it as of later DVD/Blu Ray releases
I thought exactly the same things about cancelled movies like Wild Life and Mort too.
Yes this should happen or we can all work together and make our own dark animation studio and hire Tim burton
Only Iger's pretty much left the Touchstone imprint for dead
you know what the irony of it all is, they released very risque films like Who Framed Roger Rabbit (I mean look at the scene that got passed censors where supposedly Jessica isn't wearing any panties under the dress) as well as the deleted scene where Jessica lifts up her dress to reveal her stockings.
8:42 The line was for two gay characters going into a sewer. It was "have you ever been down a manhole before?"
I gotta say for all the deleted scenes and-or cancelled Disney movies I've read and seen I always find myself saying "I cant believe they thought these ideas would get approved by Disney."
Oh now I wanna see it
Thank you
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Kingdom of the Sun sounded really interesting, and Fraidy Cat would've been awesome. Also, funnily enough, I actually could see Dumbo II working with the right TLC... it could've been like Babe: Pig in the City while also featuring homages to old-timey New York stuff.
I think also another reason Spielberg didn't like the Nazi story for the 2nd Roger Rabbit is because he did that 1993 movie Schindler's List which showed us how disgusting and horrendously evil Hitler's Nazi regime truly was and using the "Wacky Nazis" premise seems to be in really poor taste.
That is true. Plus, the first and third Indiana Jones films had Nazis as the bad guys, so he was getting tired of making all his villains Nazis.
Yep, I guess in that sense, it would be like making a wacky movie about rapists or pedos. There are just some things that seem in poor taste no matter what.
The Nazis were incredibly ruthless and efficient in their evil. It took six years and the combined military might of nearly the entire world to stop them. To downplay their threat by portraying them as wacky, inept and easily defeated is insulting to the sacrifice made by everyone who worked towards their defeat.
Meanwhile there's these movie called Jojo Rabbit that takes the "Wacky Nazis" trope to the extreme.
@@mechajay3358 And regardless of intent, I don't think it's films like Jojo Rabbit we need in this day in age. I think it's films like Neo Ned that we need more of, which can help more seriously take an in-depth look at the psychology of someone falling into the wrong crowd in modern times, not as if we're still in World War II.
They cancelled "A Few Good Ghosts" for that garbage "Chicken Little"?! Good grief!
What if A Few Good Ghosts would have ended up sucking?
OH DISNEY GOING TO GET IT NOW
@@SirBlackReeds couldn't be worse then chicken little.
Chicken Little wasn't that bad!
chicken little is a good movie tho, i like it
Somewhere in an alternate universe, some of these movies were made.
On all the 14 millon multiverse
“An old, fat, dead movie director?”
You know, it’s very ironic because many people have forgotten what Walt Disney was doing at the time when he made animated films. He made them to compete with some of the big names in film, especially those with live action.
It’s like he wanted to make the Old Hag from “Snow White” be just as scary as Dracula or The Mummy or the Evil Queen’s transformation sequence to be better than the transformation of Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde at the time.
Or the fact that he wanted to create strength of the whale from “Pinocchio” to be like that of King Kong (1933). Or that he tackled themes in “Fantasia” that do with space, the domination of the dinosaurs, and religious themes that would be seen in live-action such as “Jurassic Park,” “2001: A Space Odyssey,” and “The Tree of Life” decades later.
The fact that whoever that executive was that made that comment about Hitchcock seem to forget that’s what Walt, himself, was making at the time.
Fraidy Cat would have 100% been my favourite Disney film if it had been made
Man I'd give anything to see some sorta revival of Fraidy Cat it'd sounded like it could've been great film.
I really like Ron & Jon. Could've been something special. Guess they went onto to make Princess and the Frog instead.
I’m really hoping that some of these get revived as Disney+ originals
Also “a fat director nobody remembers” because...y’know nobody remembers films made by that hack such as Psycho, The Birds, and Rear Window. Anyway how is that Chicken Little film going?!
Make the cat cuter than the concept art and I think it could be a hit.
Treasure Planet 2 Saddens me the most, I really liked the first one.
Sir I do believe that you are my soulmate
Nah, Disneytoons always messes up so I would want them to gain the first one.
I find the fact that the specific concept of an elephant who can sing very well but had stage fright and eventually got over it showing up in Sing is either a really interesting coincidence or they took the concept
Wildlife sounds pretty interesting
But don't see it made from Disney
If anything I can A24 doing it
I'd kill for a TV series of Treasure Planet if it was created by the same people doing the Big Hero 6 series
Me too! I like Treasure Planet
i have that sucker in vhs still in its original case too bad my vhs reader broke gotta find me a new one someday and relieve all these vhs casset tapes (i got way to many of em)
@@enderborn6860 me too! Own lots of the disney movies and its sequels on vhs. As is the Ghibli films. Though one vcr almost ate Spirited away.
"An old, fat, and dead movie director who no one remembers." Yeah, nobody remembers the man who gave us the most iconic murder scene in all of cinematic history, or his talk about surprise vs suspense through the 'bomb under the table' thought experiment.
Okay, maybe a lot of people have forgotten the latter as can be see in the prevalence of jumpscares, but _EVERYONE_ has parodied the shower scene from Psycho.
Kids don't know who Hitchcock is. They could've just made a noir film without being so referential about it. I think putting in a lot of direct throwbacks to Hitchcock would've been a waste of time that wouldn't have made sense to the core demographic and would've also been from well before the time of parents in their 30s too.
@@thisismysea I loved What's Opera, Doc? as a kid and I didn't have any idea who Wagner or Siegfried or Brunhilda were. It was still funny and entertaining. I think attitudes like that underestimate kids. Kids don't need to understand every reference to enjoy something. Also lots of people of all ages are Hitchcock fans, you don't have to be a contemporary of his to enjoy his movies. You act like people can only ever understand a reference from their own time period, which is frankly ridiculous.
Julie Walker how would it peak any interest...? they don’t know the reference.
@@asmrtpop2676 They'd want to copy that style. And Wikipedia and every CZcams commenter would certainly mention Hitchcock . I didnt have a clue who Miyagawa was , but anytime I did any research on Star Wars his name pops up.
Even those who haven’t seen Psycho parody the shower scene!
The loss of my people is a tragedy and would of been great.
I hope kingdom of the sun gets turned into a musical someday, Emperors New Groove is a beloved film to me and its intriguing hearing these details. It almost sounded like a classic dreamworks movie like Prince of Egypt and El Dorado, not a Disney movie.
But I don't think I'll ever forgive Disney choosing Chicken Little over A Few Good Ghosts.
It’s too bad Treasure Planet wasn’t successful it would’ve made a great ride at Toyko Disney
It was big but then it flopped
Aside from the forced comic-relief character, I thought it was a fairly solid adaptation.
Joseph Davies which character was that? I thought the comedy was the right amount
@@JAYSAL22 They're probably referring to B.E.N. lol I love that movie to pieces, but I do have to admit that B.E.N. was a bit much for me. Not enough to ruin the film though.
There's actually a really good, really thorough video essay called "Treasure Planet - Disney's Biggest Mistake" by BREADSWORD on here that breaks down what happened during the making of Treasure Planet, and how it was absolutely gutted by the Disney execs in order to justify shutting down the 2D animation studio once and for all. Long story short, Disney spent a lot of money on making Treasure Planet, and then sabotaged its release through bad marketing, poorly chosen release date, virtually no toys or merchandise, etc. (Side story - I'm lucky enough to own a set of 4 lithograph prints they sold at the theater where I went to see it as a kid, and two of the stills they chose were bad, considering how many beautiful scenes there were.)
When the expensive movie inevitably flopped, the Disney execs turned around and used it as "proof" that they needed to scrap traditional animation and move on. I STRONGLY suggest checking out that video essay, because it is delivered with a great amount of research and care, and really highlights (imo) the distinction between the Disney Company (which is downright evil, for so many other reasons) and the people who are actually working on and making the art we're appreciating here.
Whoa, so crazy about the original Emperor's New Groove. Sting and Owen Wilson haha
The clip at 6:05 where Sting says: "Well I have to say I enjoyed the movie far more than I thought."
Man in the background: "Eh, shut up." *People starts to laugh and "The Sound of Silence" by Simon & Garfunkel plays in the background*
Fans: Hey Disney, we think these scrapped movie ideas are really cool and would love to see them released
Disney: Another live action remake? Got it!
Fans: Wait-
Fans: No! Get back here!
*People love to say that it would be better if it were different, but I know that you are all hypocrites, because I know that if it were different you would say the same shit*
I’ve always found My Peoples/A Few Good Ghosts one of the most interesting of the cancelled Disney projects. Wish they’d revive it into a final product.
1997 Eisner: Don't waste time making a sequel to a ten-year-old film. It won't make any money.
2005 Eisner: Hey DisneyToon, make a sequel to a 65-year-old film. I understand there will be a new guard by then, but money calls.
Even in 1997, they were already making those sequels at Disney Toon Studios.
Katzenberg was right!
Except that's what Eisner was doing throughout the 90s, where we got tons of direct to video sequels released, some of which were from films that were made when Walt was alive.
@Katie Lewis Actually, a Roger Rabbit sequel would have been complicated as Disney doesn't exactly own the rights to him, and Eisner was aware of that.
I feel like that could easily demonstrate that he was a more creative person interested in original ideas and then began to get scared and go against his old, good instincts.
I love emperor's new groove but kingdom of the sun looks pretty fun.
It would of been nice to see a Disney version of Persephone and Hades’ love story
That has already been made as a short in 1933.
The Shadow King and King of the Elves are films I would LOVE to see my lord. Stop motion animation is a gorgeous medium and that story (along with the visuals already shown) just make it even more amazing!!! As for King of the Elves, I honestly feel we need more high fantasy concepts, especially animated!!!
It’s a shame Gigantic got cancelled, we could’ve made a Spain pavilion with a Gigantic attraction
It's a shame your mom gave birth to you.
Should've gone with Aladdin 4: Jafar Needs Glasses, instead.
Yeah I would have loved to see Gigantic. Who knows? Maybe they might bring it back.
Bah!
Hey, Mr. Iger, what do you do exactly? Just curious
I wonder how "Hercules II - The Trojan War" would have worked since in the first film Achilles was already dead (by his weak spot, which implies he was killed by Paris and that the Trojan War was already done.)
There is one universe where 'My People' & 'The Kingdom of the Sun' Actually Exist, and i'd pay money to see them both.
Going by that flawed logic if nobody remembers Hitchcock than nobody should really remember Walt either.
XD Well, minus the fat part. Walt was not a man of huge size
Walt Disney didn't make a living by terrorizing starlets.
@@SirBlackReeds No he just hated his animators for wanting a proper wage and going on strike.
@@MrStGeorgeIllawarra He didn't hate them. If you want hatred then Communists are the right target.
Walt has an unfathomably larger legacy and cultural relevance. Disney owns more than a 6th of all American media today.
We could have had My Peoples, instead we got Chicken Little?!
No, My Peoples changed to A Few Good Ghosts. Then that was dropped for Chicken Little.
Chicken Little? More like Chicken *Shit*
I like Chicken Little, out of the few population on Earth
@@MetroGexual me too
Wild Life kinda sounds like the elephant subplot to "Sing"
we want Freidy Cat- someone make a petition! And king of the elves too!
And Gigantic as well.
I wonder if some of these ideas will get a second chance on Disney+. With a need for content, these abandoned ideas might be ripe for a second chance. Some of the more edgy stories, could find a niche on a streaming service.
You're definitely onto something there.
I honestly think the rework of pauper and the prince was for the best. The original plot was overly complicated and the emperors new groove was really freaking good. Sure, It is a lot as grand and deep. But Emperors is so unique in the Disney cannon and just... an amazing movie.
While I agree the film was still good, Kingdom of the Sun could have been interesting.
Plus Prince and the Pauper has been done many times even by Disney with Mickey Mouse in the lead.
I agree, even though they had grander plans, it still relatively remained in intact and became an awesome film for all. And it's directed towards kids they don't to make it super, life changing, philosophical story lol
Semi-quote: "Emperor was the best Warner Brothers animated movie Disney has ever done." That hill side scene was hilarious.
I forget if there was some connection The Road to El Dorado but regardless, ENG is a more distinct movie than Kingdom of the Sun would have been. There are too many similarities with The Road to El Dorado and Kingdom of the Sun.
I love the character designs (the illustrations) for Wild Life
Me too
I like how they took references of actual animals
Fraidy Cat sounds so clever and imaginative
Inagine if fans can finish "kingdom of the sun" the same way they finished the original vision of "the theif and the cobbler" recobbled; that would be amazing!
If only we could get our hands on those scrapped parts, but disney loves to hide stuff from the world.
I think they should finished Theif and the Cobbler the way Williams WANTED it the be. Apparently he didn't like the Recobbled Cut. Since he is dead, I feel the industry owes him that.
@@BlazeHeartPanther what did he not like about it, besides the unfinished animation or possibly the pacing?
I don't think that's quite feasible.
im going to do it remember my name
Clever idea.
Apparently Marie was going to be the main protagonist of The Aristocats II and even given a love interest who was a male kitten. She was also going to be voiced by Tara Strong.
The Toy Story beta is f*cking nightmare fuel. Thank God we got what we got. 😳
The wildlife movie sounds very roughly like the movie sing.
Those executives are absolute jokes. EVERYONE remembers Hitchcock and what he did for cinema.
Modern Disney is woke-infested, your content is irrelevant as the only thing matter are your skin color, who you sleeping with, who you politically siding with and what in your pant
Agree but at the sametime what kid would have gotten Hitchcock references? Making that such a big part of the movie seems kinda weird to me, even a decent amount of the kids parents probably wouldn't have gotten most of them. I mean yeah, he's remembered but how many regular people are going to regularly be putting on 50's movies vs something more current? Still, as someone who actually got into classic movies in my teens, the movie probably would have actually grown on me when I got older from me then understanding it more.
I really really love Yzma's cut song, Snuff Out the Light, been loving it since middle school. As much as I love it, I'm glad we not only got a female villain who wanted power, not beauty, and a lovable guy with a relatabke movie of his own, Kronk.
Still, I would like to see the entirety of Snuff Out the Light fully animated. It's a crying shame it still hasn't been finished to this day, even to just honor Eartha Kitt. Maybe they'll do it for the anniversary of The Emperor's New Groove
That would be awesome. I also wouldn’t mind if they released the documentary as a bonus feature!
Yeah, it seems like a positive change to avoid yet another Disney villainess concerned with her looks. It sort of popped up again with Mother Gothel.
Treasure Planet deserved so much better😔
Treasure Planet 2 had me sold with Iron Beard... BUT THE ARTWORK FOR MORT LOOKS SO GREAT!
fraidy cat sounds so good... cancelled for such an infuriating reason!
actually a lot of these were cancelled for infuriating reasons.
I'll continue to sob over the lost franchise of Treasure Planet. I don't care if people didn't like it, it was a gem to me.
It wasn't so much that it wasn't liked, it was that it was released the same week as Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. The books were, if I recall, the most popular series in the world at the time, and everyone was eager for the movie release. It never stood a chance, sadly . . .
It sounds like the original storyline for Yzma was recycled partly into Mother Gothel for Tangled.
I would kill for a Treasure Planet 2. Apparently I was that one guy who liked Atlantis and Treasure Planet.
You’re not the only one! Atlantis and Treasure Planet were my favorite films growing up. I even studied Atlantan to understand what the characters were saying in the opening. Sadly the dictionary’s small compared to most other conlangs, but there is a database online and an old Disney Adventures issue talking about how the language works. Look it up! :)
I can’t believe “Home on the Range” and “Chicken Little” got made, but these didn’t.
Yeah chicken little was crap, i did like home on the range though.
I remember thinking Home on the Range was fun, but it definitely felt like a pre-Renaissance movie in the vein of Oliver and Company or something.
It was also one of the reasons Micheal Eisner lost his job as Disney CEO.
They were probably easier and cheaper to made and they were also more focused on kids.
The heck is home on the range
Treasure Planet 2... Man what could have been. The first one is a real gem!
I wish we could've gotten Kingdom of the Sun, My Peoples and Fraidy Cat :/
No wonder why Disney went downhill during the early 2000s and allowed Dreamworks and Pixar films to become more well known than their own Disney Animation films.
The company lost their balls that they had in the 90s Disney Renaissance.
“Wildlife” sounds almost exactly like the movie “Sing” with a different plot
Jordan Salley both even had a shy elephant!
edgy "adult" animation always makes me think of Cool World
The same, but diffrent ;)
it’s more madagascar than sing
@@austinhinton3944
That can Sing
As someone who was there for many of these films' development, I have to say, I'm impressed you got as much of this right as you did! I could nitpick little details (you mispronounce a couple of names, like "El-jin", but how would you have known?) and leave out some stuff (but even if you had all the facts, how long do you want this episode to be? Hours??), but I'm thrilled you're helping to bring these films that never were, a few of which I spent years of my life on, into the light of day for a lot of people!
Next you should do an episode on "Sweating Bullets"!
I’m a massive Emperors New Groove fan..but the original version sounds amazing.
Treasure Planet deserved so much more than it got.
I'm still bummed about the cancellation of Gigantic.
As for the Zootopia easter egg, I think it would be kind of funny to see if Zootopia get another blue-ray addition/update in a few years to retcon "Giraffic" for an animal-based pun about "Raya & Last Dragon".
It’s like Disney is afraid of making new movies from scratch, some of their films now are live action remakes of well known films that no one wanted. These canceled films would have been really interesting to watch if they were released.
*People love to say that it would be better if it were different, but I know that you are all hypocrites, because I know that if it were different you would say the same shit*
Thank you Roy Disney for saving us from disaster.
I like you pfp always happy to see another Mando’ad