Did The Panasonic S5II Firmware Actually Improve Human Autofocus?
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- čas přidán 25. 06. 2024
- Did the new Panasonic Lumix S5II /S5IIX Firmware actually improve human detect autofocus? Was that part of the firmware all hype?
It wasn't terrible, but it definitely had its issues. Let's deep dive.
Update:
Regarding the colour / white balance differences, I’m still fairly new at this colour correction / grading world, so this is most likely human error 😂 - as of writing this, the 2nd camera has not been updated to the latest firmware as of yet. When I update it, I’ll pin a comment with my findings. Thanks so much for the compliments on the video so far!
- Shaun (TechMixr)
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Chapters:
0:00 This Is Strictly About Human Detect Auto Focus
1:03 Improving The DJI RS3 Gimbal Tracking? This Is Pretty Cool
4:00 Head To Head With Different Lenses & Firmware
6:15 Weird Results (Head To Head Results - Reviewing On The Computer)
11:56 Re-Examining Low-Light Auto Focus Human Detection
14:55 Honest Thoughts About The 'Improvements' To Human Detection Auto Focus
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Regarding the colour / white balance differences, I’m still fairly new at this colour correction / grading world, so this is most likely human error 😂 - as of writing this, the 2nd camera has not been updated to the latest firmware as of yet.
When I update it, I’ll update this pinned comment with my findings. Thanks so much for the compliments on the video so far!
- Shaun (TechMixr)
just importand to know - there is no pdaf if you shoot at 1080P 50P - if thats the case so the test isnt good - try to shoot 1080 20P / 6K 25P and test the AF - the af is much better
Also, just wanted to say, Thank You for NOT holding your lav mic in front of your mouth the way some youtubers do. That's just bananas.
I was thinking about this the other day. Oh it drives me crazy 😂
Just hold a handheld mic if you don’t want to wear a lav 😂
Sidenote- stupid me had it upside down when I was at the computer 😂😂😂 (I guess this is an Easter egg for the video now) 🤦🏾♂️
@@TechMixr there's a video on it: "Tom Nicholas - Why CZcamsrs hold microphones now"
Love the "Cinematic" pause
I was really hoping for this video!
Appreciate the comment! 🙏🏾 I hope it’s helpful!
Great video, thank you! Would be nice to see some longer focal lengths in the future if possible.
That’s a great idea. The only zoom lens I have currently are the Sigma 14-24 and the 20-60 kit lens unfortunately. The other 2 lens are wide angle prime lenses.
You killed this test, thank you! 🙏
Thanks for the wonderful comment. I hope it brought you value 🙏🏾
Man! You put in some work testing the firmware! Great information and comparison😅
Nothing says committing to testing like cars driving past you giving you looks, while you pace around a parking lot with a stone cold look on your face 😂
Appreciate the compliment my dude! 🙏🏾
you’ve done a great job actually. haven’t seen something like this on youtube so far. thank you for your work sir 🙏🏻
This made me smile. Thank you so much for the compliment- I’m glad it’s serving everyone - I had a lot of questions too about human detect autofocus. 🙏🏾
I'm almost convinced that this camera is in my near future. I really appreciate the time and effort you put into this examination of the new firmware. 👍👋
Thanks so much for the compliment! I hoped to get it out the day the firmware was released but testing took longer than expected. Glad it was helpful!
Super helpful, thanks for this! I've been considering the S5ii/x and now I know to go for first party lenses for the time being.
Thanks for the compliment! 🙏🏾
There might be some AF tweaks I might have to do with the Sigma lenses. It’s not as bad as the contrast DFD system from years past, but I found the native glass to be a bit better.
I guess I’m going to make even more use of those custom modes 😂
As a photographer I'm actually impressed with the face eye for photography only, it's finally able to lock on to a individual when in a crowd. It's almost on par with my old A7r3 and a7s3
Hilariously, I’ve never done photography with this camera. I’m one of “those” people 😂
Very interesting! I’ll probably explore the photography side of the S5II one day. For the price point and the continued firmware updates, buying 2 of these was a great decision. Sure the AF isn’t perfect, but it’s leaps and bounds over their former DFD contrast system from the past.
Thanks for the insight!
It looks like the existing 2.4v is good then 3.0 there is not much difference as shown in your video. So I will wait for another update.
But you must be close to subjects or not? Otherwise will not? I mean in afc mode photography i think
THANK YOU!!!!!
No worries at all! Happy to help!
loved the video
Appreciate it 🙏🏾
Good and helpful video. I use the Sigma 24-70 art lens and tbh I didn't really see a lot of improvements in the autofocus. And I was always a bit unsatisfied with the af performance in low light but I will make sure to use eye + body detection from now on. Thanks a lot
Thanks for the compliment! I’m glad the body tracking tidbit helps out. It really performed well in low light!
Great test! Way to go! :) Should we be happy that AF detects a face in the dark if it can't focus on it? Regards! :)
Hahahaha I thought the same thing. What I like about it is that if you’re in a challenging lighting condition, it doesn’t pulse terribly like it would previously. All that being said, it’s an improvement from the older firmware.
How useful it is, that’s a different discussion 😂
Thanks for the compliment 🙏🏾
Thank you for puting so much work to test autofocus. I set my af settings to +3 on both and every time is in focus in oposite what you have in video, but I use different lenses (lumix primes) and didnt zoom image, so that why i may not see this.
Aparat from AF, colors on both firmware are much different. You using auto white balance in this test? Or maybe firmware update change something in image?
Lots to unpack here.
When I went up to +3 it was a disaster so I backed it off to default settings and in my case, it got better. But others with the S5 II have done what you did, and got way better results than I did. Maybe I’m still too new with cameras for this 😂🤦🏾♂️
In terms of colour differences, this MIGHT be human error. I never use auto white balance (I white balanced with a grey card for every test / lens change / filter addition) - however, I’m still learning how to correct / grade V-LOG - and only fairly recently got decent at it.
Due to the rush of trying to get this video up in a timely fashion, I could have matched things a lot better. But now, I’m curious…… I haven’t updated the 2nd camera as of yet, but am wondering if there is a major colour difference between firmware versions.
Thanks for the compliment and insight. This rabbit hole has infinite pathways to explore now 😂🙏🏾
Thank you very much for the reviews and the comparisons. Question for you: At the 4:01 mark where you are doing side-by-side comparisons, do you remember if you had the same white balance and color profile on both cameras? I ask because it seems the color / white balance is different, and I am just wondering whether the firmware caused the white blance differences, or if one of the 20-60 lenses is more green, or whether (like me) you just had an ooppssie with the white balance on one of the cameras?
I only bring this up because a lot of times people are so wrapped up about a camera's "color science" and they don't realize all the factors that might affect the colors in any particular shot.
So I did have the exact same settings and I white balanced the same way with a grey card but between takes and redoing stuff I wonder if I should have re-white balanced on every take due to the sun changing position even slightly (it was a clear day, but you never know.) I’m also very new at colour grading so I’m betting this is all human error 😂. To be honest - a few of those clips were super long because either someone would walk in the shot or a car would fly past me 😂🤦🏾♂️
I still have to update the 2nd camera. I know they shot identically previously on the old firmware. I’ll update this comment (and the few others asking) with those results.
Thanks so much for the compliment.
Yes for me i see quite improved even in 1080p 60fps
Amazing!
for the future tests - just use some photos of people/ portraits and put closer to you when you speak just to see how AF-c will work
you usually need to choose what to focus on for it lock ( yellow frame)
Usually, but in a lot of cases from using these cameras since launch, it did a decent job on the kit lens with detection on and focus in 1-area set to the centre.
I’ve tried to lock on and it was so inconsistent that I’ve found it better to do it this way. But I’m open to retrying with the new firmware.
I mostly use one area without human tracking and I often get very good results. This is really not because of the IBIS and the AF that I almost never use my S5II, both are great.
Interesting. I may have to experiment with it turned off …….. BACK TO THE PARKING LOT 😂🤦🏾♂️
Did the firmware update change your sensitivity settings? Or reset them?
My sensitivity settings were retained! Hope this helps!
@@TechMixr the main thing I see is an improvement is that when it’s set to body detection and you’re with multiple people it’s less chaotic and clear to move between people as far as the eye auto focus. I don’t see any improvement.
@@sols9449 that seems to be the consensus among many people so far it looks like.
seeing these tests, i cant see why everybody on youtube is raving that this is now on par or close to Sonys auto focus? It is better in certain scenarios, but its still pretty rough compared to Sonys
I’m not accusing anybody of clickbait …… but where there’s smoke ….
loved the testing but the real jump was on the S pro lenses with the update
Yeah that I did observe.
Stupid expensive awesome lenses 😂 - now I gotta find a sponsor so I can actually afford to get them all 🤦🏾♂️
AMAZING review! Thanks for this one! 🫶🏼
No worries at all. Thanks so much for the compliment! 🙏🏾
I am confused which batter canon R6 EOS or the Panasonic in the video camera
Wish I knew! I don’t have access to any other cameras unfortunately to compare.
czcams.com/video/UIyXsueXk68/video.html
5:20 why such diferent colors?
😂 so I’m FINALLY getting a little comfortable with colour grading. I rushed this video out and even though I manually white balanced with a grey card, I didn’t completely match everything.
I do want to update the 2nd camera and compare it to make sure it wasn’t firmware related. But I’m 99% sure it’s my fault 😂 - I’ll update the comment here if there was a change when I apply the update to the other camera.
Parking shot focusing would have been better on both firmwares if the lighting angle would have been different. A few more degrees and your face would have been lighted better. I have both A7iv and S5ii and I’d say the S5ii firmware 3.0 makes the camera just as usable now. Tap to focus is still useless though and I use that a lot.
Fair point. I’m still content with the test. Not all scenarios will be ideal and I’ve tried a similar shot on a friend’s Sony camera months ago and it didn’t have as many issues with it w/ different lens / filter combos.
What the heck?? I have teh DJI Rs3 and the Lumix S5 II with latest firmware and the gimbal doesn't track me! How do you set that up?
EDIT: Ah I see. You have to pull the trigger. Gosh, I've had this gimbal for a year and I just figured that out!!
So when you connect the camera, choose PC tethering. Then I triple pull the trigger to bring the camera towards me. Then once I’m in the framing I want, I just click the trigger once.
Let me know if that works, hope this is helpful!
Glad it worked out!
did you shoot 1080P? 50 or 25?
5.9K 29.97 for all except the Sigma 16mm which is only in APSC mode. That lens is limited 4K - so was shot at 29.97
I’m in the NTSC region.
It still suck. They don`t fix FF mode 1080 50-60fps pdaf to dfd switch( that was my only complain becouse mostly I shoot FHD50)
The things I WISH this camera would do:
- 4K60 with no crop (I’m dreaming hard, it won’t happen in this camera)
- 1080p120 with phase detect. I’d be happy with this (even with a crop) and I’d use topaz to upscale it to 4K or even 1440
With all their firmware updates they tend to do- MAYBE we’ll see a Firmware 3.5 update that adds PDAF to the 1080p high frame rate modes. I’m not counting on it, but I can dream and hope, right?
Question for you, why not do 4K50/60? It retains PDAF. Just curious is all.
@@TechMixr I buy FF camera with PDAF. If I wanned to shoot in APSC I would buy some crop from sony. Panasonic don`t tell us about FF FHD 50-60 AF switch and if I knew it I rather get sony A7IV
@@jeirg-lr8vffair point
The tracking is more on the RS3 then on the camera tracking, I thought that the new firmware would be awesome to use the gimbal tracking on cars, but even the camera is still tracking, the RS3 loses it. So hopefully there’s a future firmware update that improves the “stickyness”, or maybe the RS4 does it better. Also, which there was a smoother option for such tracking
Are you an India?
West Indian born in Canada.
No UFO detection mode. Pass!
Embargo on a FIRMWARE update is ridiculous. Panasonic campaigned this firmware update like it was a new camera. Ridiculous. Oh, did I mention took that it’s free???? Free??? Free!! A joke.
😂😂👌🏾
Yeah I made sure not to mention the “price”
I get that they’re trying to show the value of the camera. Not to knock a bunch of other CZcamsrs, but this was kind of hilarious to see people talk about “game changing” this and that.
Don’t get me wrong, I could be guilty of that one day, but today isn’t that day 😂
Still no 4k 120 fps 👎👎👎
I think because this camera needs to crop in to even do 4K60 - it’s probably a sensor / processor limitation. The hardware probably just can’t do it so a firmware update won’t fix it sadly.
wouldn't be a 2000$ camera if the hardware supported it 😊
@@UnbiddenZed gh6 do
Not a full frame camera...