Time Team S08-E03 Llygadwy, Wales
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- In a secluded valley in Wales, what may be a medieval or even Roman trackway leads down to a natural spring.
Right in the middle of it is a megalith, a large standing stone, perhaps 3000 years older than the track. Nearby, there are the remains of what appears to be a Neolithic tomb, and overlooking it what is reputed locally to be a Norman - or maybe Roman - watchtower.
Stones in a ruined building on the site have early Christian symbols inscribed on them, leading to speculation that it may have been an early chapel. And in and around the spring itself the landowner has found hundreds of Roman coins, medieval jewellery, blades, buckles, statuettes and a strange collection of weirdly carved stone heads.
Time Team set out to uncover the story behind this strange collection of archaeological features and finds.
When I first saw this episode I hated it, but now it's one of my favorites. I respect the Time Team even more for showing an episode where they could have been fooled, and how they used their skills to keep the site honest. Proud of them.
I imagine the Time Team members wanted to pickle, roast and cut up these people who are most likely involved in some sort of silly scam...
I respect the level of restrained the TT members displayed... Academics or not I can imagine people being infuriated by the fact that some horses pa-toot had them all fooled and persuaded them to put in a weekend... A Weekend better spend otherwise I feel...
@@koningbolo4700 At least they had the chance to expose the fraud.
@@koningbolo4700 It wasn't a waste of time at all, I think it was one of the most important Time Team episodes ever. One of the most important purposes of TT was to inform people about archaelogy and this gave them an opportunity to demonstrate something they could only talk about in their other digs: the difference between the real thing and a fake. It also allowed them to prove that real archaeologists can tell the difference.
@@tessjuel And doing this dig also allowed to educate the masses on shady practices like the reburial of artifacts to give them legitimacy ant a false provenance.
why did you hate it? I thought it was great.
stuart is the unsung hero of this prog' he really sheds light on the environment and often gives the most comprehensive explanations and put the whole thing into context.
My goodness Yes!! Let me hear his explanation and theory everytime instead of Carenza explaining anything!!
Yes, part of the reason Mick eventually left the show (and part of the reason why it was going downhill) was that they stopped using Stewart. Archaeologists need to work with historians and landscape surveyors in order to get a complete picture. He's getting old now (age 70), but I'm glad he'll be associated with the revamp of the show in some capacity.
For me this episode gave me even more admiration for archaeologists.The owner went out of his way to try and fool the professionals but the time team approached this just like a crime scene,with an excellent investigation and forensic approach.
Always assumed that the owner was involved with artifact launderers and the [son in law?] wasn't in it and naively called in Time Team.
Wasn’t the SIL, a neighbor called it in. Then the owner, who they clearly name, decided to decline talking on camera and had the SIL be his spokesperson. They mentioned all this at the beginning of the episode. As for speculation, this seems like some sort of multigenerational scam but not sure for what ends. Presumably yeah, black market stuff they wanted to be legitimized so they could resell openly. If the son in law spokesman was a very young man I could reasonably believe he’s naïve, but he’s not at all a young man and is almost certainly in on it, just the idiot that got thrown under the bus
Antiquarians played a prank.... From 150 years ago. The fact the Landowner refused to be interviewed (which is a first for this Show), tells a Story by itself.
I'm not certain the land owner was the culprit. I believe they said that the owner called in T.T. on the urging of his neighbor. Why would he do that if he knew it was all a fake and could face liability?
Best moment for me is 23:27 onwards when John just laid down in in the middle of the field! I just love every bit of it!!
He lay down.
Thank you for saying that I am blind, and was very confused as to why Tony said he gave up lol makes sense now
I show this to my history students whenever I can. It's such a great intro into the science of archaeology.
Good for you! This episode would be a great teaching tool in any area requiring critical and analytical thinking. I don't know about you, but I think Jenni Butterworth (now _Dr._ Butterworth) is a superstar here. Shoot, she could've used her explanation of her skepticism about the sword's context as part of her doctoral research. I hope she did -- she was the voice of reason.
@@haplessasshole9615 Indeed and I use her explanation as to why she was skeptical (this is unstratified, still the topsoil) in my explanation to the students.
In the DVD extras, Tony and Mick also talk about how this show is actually used in universities to show why archaeologists do things the way that they do. :)
@@Kalah_I always liked how they highlighted the diggers, most of whom I gather were advanced archaeology students. I think we all have favorite diggers. Mine is Ian Powlesland. I admire his ability to crouch and scrape in even the smallest of test pits. He reminds me of a folding ruler my grandfather used to have.
I thought this was fascinating. The flip side of a typical Time Team episode. The archeaology rules and reasons for context actually became clearer to me in this episode. By the way, thank you for posting all the episodes. I'm in the US and discovered this addicting series by chance.
It sounds like there may have a "history" of salting the place.
I'm in Pennsylvania. I'm addicted as well
Add Texas to the addicted list!
"...hanging on his belt, attached by what is known as a BALDRICK..."
Yes! I caught that too.
I'm still surprised no one has ever said "I've got a cunning plan" on Time Team. 😂
@@Stay_at_home_Astronaut81I think the phrase was forbidden! I seem to remember an episode in which they're standing over a diagram spread on the hood of a Range Rover and Tony says, "All right, here's the plan..." and, for the briefest of beats, everyone's eyes shift to Sir Tony and _nobody draws a breath._ Sir Tony picks up again, the team breathes, and the dig rolls on.
This is my all-time favorite Time Team episode. I'd been searching through episodes to find it with no success. I finally did a YT search for "time team barbed wire over the sword" and got an immediately hit for this episode. YAY!
It was under the sword.
@@judeirwin2222
I know.
I simply quoted the search words that I used.
Guy De Las Boyere's face as he delivers the "Within living memory" line says it all........All but called the owner a fraud without saying it 41:16
Yeh , I agree. Really feels like he knew something and wanted maybe to get rich from the site maybe?
@@Greenpoloboy3 pretty sure they wanted to make it a tourist site
They must have! No question about it. This remains one of my all time fav eps of Time Team@@wynwilliams6977The mans face at 43:50 too!
It's easy to miss, but TT wasn't hoaxed on this. Tony explains from 1:45 to 2:20 that the site had a reputation of possibly being a hoax, therefore they decided to investigate it stringently. Phil says at 6:18 that they didn't know if the neolithic tomb was a tomb; Miranda Green say that the head pillar is extremely odd at 10:44, and so on. I thought it was done wonderfully well, not judging, taking a serious approach, until there is conclusive evidence that it is a fake site.
Agreed! It was a very interesting episode, untangling all the suspicious details.
I'm sure when I watched it on TV I don't remember the pre-amble...maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but perhaps this episode was re-edited after the initial showing? Was quite a ruckus when this came out on terrestrial!
suppose if or when wants to create a fake, it is after all not a - modern - invention, one for sure can find also a few REAL artefacts to baffle the scientists. BUT with so many years of experience, one can not fool all the experts even one time. though kudos, even now, to all of them, that they went in with an open mind, though not blindly. and THAT shows professionalism. - chapeau - even after so many years!
In Vienna, at the gardens of Schloss Schönbrunn there is an - italian ancient ruin of a roman villa -, like here, a folly of times gone by but definitely nothing original. just a folly because that time it was - fashion - to have something - ancient - around -
i hope youtube does not mind the link. normally it is - verboten - and they don't allow. www.visitingvienna.com/schonbrunn/romanruins/
Haha, love the end dialog where they are pretty much ripping the guy to shreds with good old English passive aggression.
Sarah Coleman 😂
The fact that the land owner did not want to appear on camera may be all the evidence that is needed.
If you've ever picked up even general info on how to detect lies in interview, Creighton is displaying several "tells". Like looking away from the questioner on the lie then shifting gaze back to the questioner (perhaps to see if the lie was accepted). And closing the eyes when a lie is told. The eye connection being broken seems to follow when truth is broken as well.
Darn it! Now I have to dig up the front yard and remove the sprinkler line out from under the megalithic stone :-(
One of my favorite episodes as a professional archaeologist.
The whole idea of chucking away a Range Rovers to please a deity is daft. These people give a fiver. Ritual don't make sense...sorry Dr Prior, but folks loose stuff. Nobody in history chucks valuable stuff away.
@@Lemma01 It wasn't to please the deity, it was to show off to the neighbours.
@@gchecosse Now that I can believe - who can afford to throw away the best kit....
@@Lemma01 💜Pick a Billionaire!:-)💜💜💜
@@Lemma01 in the later bronze age across Europe, bronze age deposits become increasingly huge, with tons of axe heads, swords, etc, that appear to have been made just to throw them away
I love the ending where Tony and Mick get slightly annoyed about artifacts being taken out of context. It’s a good note to end on in order to prevent more sites like this one.
Got to say, I love Mick Aston. He's wearing his sweater inside out. (I'm a knitter) It's especially visible at 23:24. LOL Must have gotten dressed in the dark. RIP
Hahaha I had to go back and look, and it’s totally true. My first thought was “how does she know, maybe it’s meant to be reverse stockinette, but NOPE!!! I think I heard that fans started knitting him the jumpers (sweaters) and it’s definitely lovingly handmade.
He was the Best Mind on the Show until Francis joins in and then Mick has the elegance about him to defer to Dr. Pryor when it's in his specialty. Good People work this way! Unlike Carenza who must be the one to take 5min to explain everything that could be told in 1min. Although I pray she is well, I was glad Helen replaced her. Her know it all attitude when she was the last "believer" about the sword was pathetic.
Look up Rowan knitting :)
They handled the doubtful finds excellently. It taught all of us.
I used to love this show. Back in the days when Channel 4 made inspiring and thought provoking content. Equinox was another show that's sorely missed.
Interesting to find out the misrepresentation started as far back as the 1800s. When they kicked off this show saying 'no local archaeologists agreed to take part because they/neighbours feel it's a hoax...' I thought this is not going to end well for the property owners.
You were right. I believe it cost them a small fortune!
I mean, it wasn't 'misrepresenting' back in the 1800's. the.. entire attitude was different. it was considered fasionable to have something ancient-looking in your backyard. they.. well. besides snobbery, didn't care if it was genuine or not. they were just interested in how it looks. I suppose in a way kinda like we do reenactments today. we're just much more carefull so it doesn't get confused with the genuine articles.
Robin was fantastaic storyteler, even now when I`m 43, if he would/could read me a bedtime story, I`ve would fell asleep like a baby. May he rest in peace.
He was always one of my favourite experts. Great guy.
A favorite of mine, too.
This has to be one of my favorite episodes. I remember it from 2001 and I haven't forgotten it. I loved the discussions about context and in what layer you find an artifact. And how you can kill the historical context of an artifact if you aren't really careful.
Loved the concrete under the Norman wall!
and the upside down piece, unused fireplace, badly placed windows etc etc - but this was a folly for an antiquarian with too much time and money on his hands - you wouldn't make as many mistakes as he did if you were trying to defraud anyone - for his amusement 🙂
It was alien I tell ya 😂😂😂😂
I can certainly understand the frustration of finding archeology out of context, but they are still ancient artifacts. Although I find it deplorable that "someone" tried to fake a genuine archeological site, this episode finally explained, to me at least, why it is so important to study and record everything found around an artifact before it is removed from the ground. My natural impulse of picking something up and taking it home has been squashed for ever.
Upsydasy Me me too! Now with our phone apps that include GPS on them I would use my app to log the location/date/time etc
If you find something, it's more than likely on the surface, and taken out of the strata anyway. It's the responsible thing in that case to take it home. Log the coordinates or at least the area it was found and how, and report all this to authorities. Definitely don't just leave something lying there for some dickhead to damage
And definitely take a photo of it in situ, before removing it!
I'm so mixed on this episode. I adore that Time Team did their job and did it amazing but dang I'm so angry that actual antiquities where buried to rot even more or worse, actual artifacts where altered to make them seem like they had carvings.
I love the slow guilty pan to the farmers face at 43:57😂
One of my favorite episodes of Time Team. I really enjoyed the comment by Tony at 36:06... " worn by an ancient warrior, hanging on his belt, attached by what is called a... baldric." I had to laugh... Baldric... any Black Adder fans get it?
it's almost as of he was loath to say it, lest someone pick it out as a highlight in CZcams comments --- oh dear ....
Yes, I got that, too!
I loved the subtle humour in that moment. We see you, Baldrick!
This ep always makes me sad but I definitely appreciate how TT handled it - their archaeological approach was spot on.
"So have you got any evidence for a Norman building ?"
"No, I'm afraid not. Uncle Norman perhaps."
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It's great to see a healthy scepticism on the show, because so often you feel there's a tendency to get a bit carried away with the significance of what could be something very ordinary.
I think the answer to this particular riddle may well indeed lie with the father-in-law who declined to take part in the programme.
But where the hell did they get that sword that was likely from Switzerland?
@@415s30 the swords were thrown into a lake in Switzerland by the hundreds, and were quite easy and cheap to legally obtain for museums and collectors
I think that the father-in-law may have known or suspected that it wasn't genuine, but didn't purposely create it as a hoax. At the start of the programme, the son-in-law says that they started finding things "five years ago", when they started building the house, and it sounds like the newer structures and finds were built or planted there a few years before they started building. And while they admitted to moving the stones used to create the "tomb" back to the shape they thought they had been in previously, they might have genuinely believed that the stones were part of an old structure, not just a 100 year old fake created by an eccentric cleric. They probably had a hand in creating the spring, but perhaps they only added to something the previous owner had made, and enhanced it for aesthetic purposes. I think if the Time Team had had more than a sneaking suspicion that the owners had tampered with the site for fraudulent purposes, they (or someone else) would have followed up with further investigations.
Why would someone bury a legitimately old sword a mere twenty years ago? Very strange happenings here. Enjoyable episode.
15 mins of fame - life time of shame - glad they aired this episode - shows how they go about a dig and what expectations / process should be no matter where they dig - AND - exposes questionable side of 18th, 19th century "antiquarians" thru 20th century shysters -
the best part was the dog showing up!
Never saw a dog before?
@@Tom_Quixote Dogs are ALWAYS a treat! What, you hate dogs or something? You a member of Islam?
@@Tom_Quixote 7 years later with the dog-hatred ...
I began to suspect something as soon as the son-in-law mentioned using stone from the site for building or enlarging a structure on the farm. Either he didn't know or care that he was ruining an important archeologic site, or more likely he knew that the entire thing was, in part or in whole, a folly, and ultimately worthless archeologically.
+Elspeth Graham I don't want to defend them, but they might just not have cared.
My interpretation of that using the site as a quarry was because they knew it was all fake when they bought the land.
Using local stone for rural structures (buildings/dry stone walls) has been done for centuries. Refusing to dig up local stones because there might be a slim chance of useful archaeological artifacts would be more suspicious. Instead, land owners would either (in previous centuries) note the artifact they found as a curiosity and not do anything with it or (in recent decades) report it to a local museum/historical society.
I am not defending the land owner but this one "clue" is meaningless.
Any British rural structure built with traditional techniques will include stones dug up from the local vicinity.
For me it was the first minute or so when they said "no local archeologists would take part because it might be a hoax" (paraphrasing), strengthened by "the landowner declined to take part in the interview but nominated his son in law" (humiliating son in law)
in the beginning the owner said he wanted to take part and then declines haha thats a large give a way.........................................this is archaeological exploration its best
Didn't you mean Archeological Exploitation. As far as the land owner is concerned.
@@dieself3509 In the end it all came out well. The owner got taken down a peg and will not be able to pull this crap again. The town and local archaeologists were proven right without having to lift a finger, ending the controversy and speculation.
Even Time Team benefited since the whole intention of the show from the start is about bringing archaeology to the masses and educating them, sparking interest and support. They were able to showcase their technique and show how their methods can be used not just to confirm, but to rule out a site's legitimacy. It was forensic archaeology at its finest.
Yes, the people who wrote Tony's voiceover did know the ending when they wrote it 😉
I felt sorry for the homeowner until they started to analyzed the barbed wire. You could fell the collective side eye.
I love this episode. It shows that archaeologists know what they are doing.
Fantastic time team. A forensic masterpiece when you consider how much the archaeologists wanted to believe; however, the evidence/context could not support their finds.
Hi, Reijer. Hope you are doing well.
Your channel helped save me from cabin fever beginning in April 2016 when I seriously broke and twisted my right collarbone in a fall. I watched every episode of Time Teams 20-year journey. This episode remains my all time favorite to rewatch.
His replays of the episodes are the most comprehensive of any of the replays. He is my go-to for episodes when I have questions.
one of my favourite television,,,programs.....excellent detective work,,,,,,,,nice artifacts...and coins.
Yeah the La Tene culture that sword belongs to was known to Herodotus IIRC. On TOP of barbed wire. No wonder the landowner didn't want to be interviewed.
I totally agree, the only reason I read the comments was to see if someone thought as I did. I know the archeologist suspected the land owner but were to polite to say anything on the episode. The expense of those antiquities surprises me and the stupidity of the set up, you'd think they could have been a little more careful not to mess-up so completely and utterly.
I like how classy TT acted about the whole thing. Not a juicy drama laden confrontation al 'la reality tv. The between the lines statements and facts spoke for themselves.
HUGE respect to Time Team!
Excellent episode! It shows that science works, and to not believe everything is always as it appears.
This faux archeology site actually has taught me more about REAL archeology sites and finds...
There's a good reason why the owner changed his mind and decided not to be interviewed. The lowlife planted all the finds and then sent his son-in-law out to face the Time Team experts... coward.
The "neighbor" being the origin of contacting Time Team instead of the obvious person who would have been the property owner is another clue in this fraud. Wonderful and funny episode how everyone on the crew is trying their hardest not to let the cat out of the bag from day 1
Yup. Plenty of clues from the very start....
Such an entertaining episode. I've watched it several times. One of my favorites.
What's great in that episode is, given the suspicion the site was a hoax, there would probably never have been any real dig without the Time Team intervention, and so no confirmation it really was BS.
Plus, the sword will now be kept properly and shown to the public.
Also, I learned you can date barbed wire 😳
U should of been with me on the Russian convoy. One night it was so cold the flame on my lighter froze.
There are barbed wire exhibits in some rural museums.
Nice to see how the Time Team thwarted a cunning plan.
this is one of my favorite episodes! Science will find out the facts! Love it.
Thanks for all these downloads; they are great. This episode is one of the best - exposing an archaeological fraud of massive extent
Seems like the landowner knew about the planted artifacts, otherwise he wouldn't have reneged on his interview...hmm sounds fishy
Not suspicious at all... Very trust-worthy guy, I imagine...
One of the best of the series , loved the detective work , well done TT
@ 43:43 BUSTED!!!! At first I thought it was the 19th century owner. But with the barbed wire, it's pretty clear the "site" was "enhanced" in the 1980's or early 1990's. Time Team rightfully served a huge slice of humble pie to go along with the "salt" to the perpetrators of this so called "site"..Great episode.
Would be interesting to know if there was actually any old , natural or man made items deposited around the area at the contemporary time which the fraudster missed in his meddling of the truth.
When the son-in-law was being questioned, you could tell from his face that while he didn't do it, he was pretty confident his father-in-law did it. The rapid blinking shows he wasn't being truthful.
I’m a psychiatrist and have 14 years of experience working in mental health. Factors in detecting deception include several focal points, but you also have to use discretion when you’re looking at or assessing those focal points, as they can also be interpreted in a different way. Just because something is a sign of deception doesn’t mean it’s not also an appropriate expression that fits characteristically of what their emotion may be at the moment, when recalling a specific event or because of a medical condition. Deception evaluation is not something that you can read on and automatically perform. This is learned over time and experience, of course there’s also more applied knowledge that’s not discussed here. When assessing behavior you must also look at mental health history, mood, presentation, symptoms, life situation, thought pattern, and family history etc. under no circumstances do you ever make a speculative assessment of the individual (s). While he may know more than he is saying, we have nothing to compare his behavior against and cannot as professionals positively identify his behavior as deceptive.
@@A.Hess7749 He could be blinking LESS than he normally does, no way to know. We need a brain scanner that reads the brains' "lie center" (i have no idea if such a thing exists but i believe the more we understand the brain, one day we WILL find certain brain patterns that distinguish a lie).
Definitely a very interesting episode of Time Team. Good job Time Team ! Good upload !
great episode... putting it all in the proper context.. archeology is about the PEOPLE not the THINGS of a site,,,.. i really enjoyed this one.
Mad respect to the Team for their professional approach; they all knew from the get-go that the site was a hoax (all the other local archaeologists who refused to dignify it with a dig clearly did, too), but they were so respectful and never accused anyone of anything when it would've been so easy to slip into. As always, the insight and experience was there, but also just a sense of wonder at the finds themselves, even if their true meaning was lost when they were taken from their original sites :(
I think the idea was to create a seeded "pay to dig" amateur archeological site in which all finds are kept by the proprietors to be replanted.
In the intro, Tony said local archaeologists had described it as "an archaeological theme park", suggesting that someone had indeed seeded the land with "finds". Time Team was too genteel to harshly cross-examine the owner, but some of the interviews with the landowners son-in-law are quite telling in retrospect.
That was my feeling as well. Making money from the tourists seems like the most logical motivation for doing that much work.
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Probably my favorite episode of the entire series. The most baffling thing was that (in all likelihood) someone took the trouble to seed the ground around the "Neolithic" monument with scrapers and what looked for all the world like Bronze Age pot. I still have so many questions about that.
love this program... It has been consistently reliable for entertainment with information.. Thanks guys..
27:59 This is why the show is so great. Tony knew how to wide Mick up, but in a nice way, Mick would fight back so Tony has created a good discussion.
That was one of *Tony's* functions.
I don’t know if he does it before this episode but later on mitt called Tony Eeyore, which I think is great too lol
"Uncle Norman perhaps" best joke ever
They never said how long the current owner had owned the land. Some of the tampered with items were clearly done in the 19th century. Others were a lot more recent. Some of the planted items were pretty valuable. It was shame to risk destroying them by tampering with them.
bukster1 I thought they said in the beginning that the house was built 5 years ago. What puzzles me is that right at the beginning, they are checking out the "sacred spring" and nothing is said about its age, but later on Stuart shows an aerial photo from the 70s or 80s that shows nothing there at all.
Yes, at 5:45 the owners states 5 years. At 42:17 they state that the electrical cords were laid over the barbed wire when the new owners built the house. Proof positive that these guys planted the sword.
I've been through this entire series four times this year (it's been a long year...) and several times before that. And I've often wondered if I'm the only one who notices that Mick is wearing his usual rainbow striped sweater - inside out. :D
There are a number of episodes where Mick has his jumper on inside out.
Loved this. It taught me about the length people all over will ho to , to scam others...usually at the expense of decent folk's reputation!
Mick and Tony made good points at the end with Tony showing the coins and saying that they show nothing.
A lot of hard work went into these finds with experienced people being on site too. I think it said at the end that many archaeologists had called it a hoax and never touched it...I wonder if any of the archaeologists of the oast actually knew for sure what the site was really like!
I love the Cocker Spaniel running up to Tony wondering what was wrong with Tony ....all that yelling upsets my dogs too. I'm not allowed to talk loudly or they think trouble is afoot. Cracks me up...everyone complains he always shouting
OMG! Mick's stripes are going the wrong way!
Technically in my opinion , if some one has done this stupid horrible prank they should be charged with decimating archaeological history and forgery.
Yep, prank is the word, not hoax, lols.
They were saying this site was likely “designed“ by that pastor as a revivalist location. At that time they didn’t have the same standards that one is expected to adhere to professionally, today. It’s not unlike somebody nowadays being a collector of 18th century dishware, for example, and over time their home collapses with the dishes in and is discovered by a future archaeologist… In this case it was just a collector, not somebody intending to confuse people in the future.
His site might be bad for modern day archaeologists, but at least he had an interest in the past and was trying to instill in others. Can’t knock him for that.
@@lindasue8719 Yes, the contributor from the past was just embracing his love of history and setting up a folly as so many did back then. He had no nefarious intentions. The same cannot be said of the person or persons contributing to the site now. The homeowner tried to pass it off as a legitimate site and bring in experts to make it official, at which point all artifacts found, including the Iron Age sword, would gain provenance and have a much higher value for sale to a collector or payment from a museum.
As the team showed in various ways, the guy in the past made no effort to consider how the soil's layers showed the time period at which items should be buried as evidenced by things like the pottery shard of blue on white pottery in the dirt under the wall of the ruins.The person who buried things recently had that current knowledge and used it as best he could. Thankfully he screwed up and the team caught it, as evidenced by things like the barbed wire under the sword or the different coloring to the surface of the broaches and items found in the spring, but it's clear he tried.
If I was to speculate I would say the smaller items from the stream were from metal detecting, possibly even night-hawking a dig site. As for the sword possibly an attempt to make a black market item legitimate for sale.
That guy was caught RED-Handed. How embarrassing 🙈!
The owner suddenly decided to not appear on camera? Dead giveaway. Attack of conscience? Doubtful! Good on Time Team!
I found this to be one of the most interesting episodes.
One of my favourites precisely because it was a hoax. This is the flip side of archæology, the side we don't often get to see. So the 'Norman' tower was built by Carnhuanawc (his bardic name and the one by which he's better known in Welsh) and the coins may have been deposited by the current owner but the sword was genuine enough, even if it was only put there in 1992!
Glad to see this episode,as it's ironically one of the Time Team members favorite digs.Hallstatt and La Tene items are incredible,but belong firmly in Switzerland and France.Thanks so much for sharing this!
that's incorrect, many continental items, including swords and torcs have been found in secure contexts in the UK such as the bronze age antennae swords from the river Witham that are in Lincoln museum and Alnwick castle colletions and the gold Leek Frith torcs show ancient networks of exchange were operating with central Europe.
@@kc3718 exactly. For some reason people don't seem to appreciate that trade between Britain and mainland Europe was well established long before the Romans got there
Haha I like how Tony says 'what is known as a baldric' at 36:08 because he himself is known as a Baldrick!! Does that classify as an easter egg?
This is one of my favourite episodes
hands down one of my favorite episodes
This rivals Piltdown man. Good professional work.
"What kind of well is this Francis?"
"A ritual well."
In the beginning the land owner didn't want to be interviewed, hmm suspicious.
That doggie at the beginning 🥺 so cute
Two words you hear constantly on Time Team; " relationship " and " context ". From the very beginning of the program, you could see that the crew were sensing red flags. Then the ancient sword on top of modern wire appeared. I bet at some point they thought they may be doing a forensic dig for stolen items. They were more angry about the items having been removed from their original context and thus greatly reducing or destroying their scientific value, than they were that these hillbillies tried to fool them.
You referring to people from Wales, as hillbillies made me laugh because I am from a small town in the middle of Washington state and usually that word is used to describe some people that I’m related to lol
@@kayleeriley3591 I grew up in a town (brecon) 10 minutes from this farm, and i can confirm we are hillbillies 😂
Fabulous episode!
One of the best episodes ever!
Maybe the most important episode TT ever produced.
Very interesting episode. Thanks for uploading.
I teach a class about "weird claims," and today we talked about Ancient Aliens (yikes!). I use this to show how archeology handles extraordinary claims. Love it every time I watch it.
Thank-you for teaching your class on weird claims. You are surely inoculating minds that might otherwise be taken in by scammers.
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@@spacelemur7955 Or raising a generation of con artists. Time will tell.
....and now our benevolent, omniscient govt has ADMITTED aliens exist ! (personally i doubt it now simply because the govt is saying it)
From the get go ,,, time team were taking the piss ,,, 😃😃😃😃😃😀
No wonder no local archaeologist wanted to take part in the program, lol. Sounds like the sword was looted from a site in Switzerland.
Really? Thanks for letting us know.
...HA! So that's why the old man refused to talk to the team at all!
Seriously though one or the other guy living in that house obtained that La Tène sword in one way or another, then realized he wasn't supposed to have it and would probably get prosecuted for it, so he just dumped it into the ground hoping that should it have been rediscovered, everyone would think it was lying there for thousands of years and he had never anything to do with it.
Phil : "Pot! It is pot!
Jodie : "Things are looking up"
The Welsh are very keen on establishing historical credentials, following druidic ceremonials and linguistics without a shred of real evidence. This episode is great. Quod est Demonstratum. QED. Great stuff. Science rules. Thank you.
In 2017 terms, this would be called "alternative truth", right?
Alternative facts
Get out.
In 2020, it’s called site fishing 😂😂😂😂
@@NC-ij9rb In 2020 it's more like the truth. What's that?
In 2023, this would be called the mainstream media's current narrative.
I found this uncomfortable viewing. I'd like to know more background, especially the activities of the early 19th-century antiquarian. And I still don't get why a genuine La Tène sword would have been planted there within the last twenty years. How was it obtained and what was the purpose of burying it in recent times?
Someone went through a lot of trouble to make it LOOK like an ancient area with those artifacts. Very sketchy indeed.
Thanks for posting
One of my all time fav eps. I've maybe watched this one more than any other. I was addicted to this show and from time to time watch an ep and this one always comes to mind to watch again.
I do wonder, with things being done they said the past 20 years when they did this, if the homeowner did know about this stuff. Declining at the beginning to be interviewed was kind of odd. The son in laws chat at the end too. I don't know. He just looks awkward and uncomfortable
I would look awkward and uncomfortable if I was just told that this was a hoax! And worried I would be blamed for it. Seems to me, the SIL was chosen, specifically because he was not aware of the hoax, so could be convincing in his innocence. If this is the case, shame on his FIL many times over, for the hoax in the first case, and throwing his SIL under the truck in the second case!
@@leecarlson9713Yeah I do get that point! Unkind of the FIL to do this to his SIL if he knew nothing about it. He doesnt look shocked or angry or anything, just right away awkward and looking embarrassed. But what you say is a good posiblility. Still, its impossoble to know for sure if he knew or didnt . The one who has guilt for sure is the FIL.
Again though, its a great ep
The sword 🗡 itself was fantastic!
150 - 250 B.C ! Awesome!!
Yeah, I'm surprised they can't be charged with anything. At least they got embarrassed into donating the sword to the museum. That old man probably thought he was going to get a reward! 😂🤦♂️
I believe that the sword, along with some other artefacts, was donated to a museum. Of course I could be wrong but it wouldn't be saleable after the hoax had been exposed.
Shame to see such blatant lying by the property owner(s) to so many archaeological experts. A La Tène sword just 'washing down' over twenty year old barbed wire. Yeah, right...
Ha!
I just love this show
This shows how much work, thought, and research goes into investing a site to prove what archeologists find. It is sad that someone would rob real archeological sites to make their property worth more.