The Secluded Welsh Valley Hiding Treasures Spanning Thousands Of Years | Time Team
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- Tony Robinson and the Time Team are on a dig like no other. They're on a mission to work out whether the intriguing ancient artefacts of Llygadwy are genuine or an elaborate crime against archaeology.
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This episode gave Time Team a lot of professional credibility - It proved to their peers that they used sound archaeological process, and used good logic to reach conclusions.
This has long been one of my very favourite Time Team episodes. Exposing hoaxes, whether perpetrated by whimsical antiquarian vicars or possibly more avaricious modern seekers of tourists, is one of the most valuable activities archaeologists can perform for us today.
Very true. whoever did it was probably getting money from gullible tourists and others, for their own gain. Through the investigations that Time Team did, they revealed that the sites were set up as hoaxes to throw off future archeologists. When I first started watching this episode I had an inkling that the sites were too good to be true.
I agree. What a great episode.
Same here, I always liked this episode.
100%. In trying to fool the experts, they've only validated WHY they are experts.
Right up there with the episode where after three days they found absolutely nothing. That was awesome. Because it’s realistic.
This is, perhaps the most compelling episode of Time Team I've ever witnessed. It delivers a painfully important message. Thanks for sharing it.
Tony Robinson going out of his way to explain that the sword is held on to someone's belt by a BALDRICK is hilarious.
But the Christians might have pilfered the spring of early coins as they were expected to demean paganism not practice it in the years following the time of the earliest finds.
For crying out loud!! 🤦♀️I never put it together. Your post broke it down into parts simple enough for me-- thanks!
Uuummmm... Circle K is for 'o' and 'k,' Okay/OK. To be fair, I figured that one out by 8 yrs old. Not a peep about my age when I finally twigged onto Guantanamo = GITMO
He had a clever plan! (Will be lost on anyone who never watched Blackadder.)
@@czgator9000a cunning plan actually 🥴
😂😂😂😂😂😂❤❤❤❤
Send the team to Oak Island and let them expose the ongoing scam there as well! This was an epic episode!
After that terrible series was made that lasted for what, 10 seasons and found nothing? I would love to see Oak Island officially debunked.
What…nothing??? I don’t believe that one…prove it
It can get tedious at times.
That show was so hokey
The proof is that they found nothing. You prove that they found something if you disagree. It should be easy if you’re right.
I found this episode particularly fascinating : to think that "someone" went to great lengths to "manufacture a bogus archeological site - within living memory".
38:21 Love Tony's slight pause before saying baldrick :D
Wait a minute, is he baldrick from Black Adder? He's always looked familiar but I could never figure out from where..
@@wallykimball8829 yes it is him
Good catch. 😆👍
Shout-out to Blackadder! Well played, Sir Tony!
I thought it was because it sounded suggestive haha The truth is way better!
how rich someone must be to dump original items into a mudhole. And how insane
and to scratch 'hitler' and a swastika in to a statue of hercules too. So not only was he dumping the stuff, he defaced several pieces just in what they found.
On camera, at least, the Time Team crew showed remarkably restrained comments when the archaeological story began to unravel.
The fact that the owner of the property does not want to be interviewed on film seems slightly suspicious.
It's *EXTREMELY* suspicious! Someone willing to throw his stepson to the wolves like that, is definitely capable of perpetrating something as nefarious as this...
You obv never found anything of importance in your life so you wouldnt know the consequences of obtaining it. Stfu
They even claimed it was a last-minute decision on his part. I had the same thought after finishing.
I wonder what motive the neighbour who contacted TT about the site had? Its tempting to think perhaps they knew about shenanigans and wanted it stopped before people got ripped off.
But if you would bury a sword, would you put it on a piece of barbed wire?
I thought I had seen every episode of T.T. until this one today. And then about halfway through, I was wondering if this was the episode of the faked archaeological site. Then they found the sword with the barbed wire underneath it, and I realized it was. I had not seen the episode for about 7 years, so I kind of forgot some of it.
I think we all can now understand and trust that archaeologists absolutely know what they're talking about.
This is like a MythBusters episode crossed with a Time Team episode. Splendid.
Imagine if that had been a thing... Time Team digging up supposed archaeologic remains, whilst the Myth busters crew bust tech/construction myths related to the time period the dig is related to.
@@RatelHBadger Please translate into English
@@larryzigler6812 Im not sure how else to rephrase that mate. Mythbusters were known for creating or recreating all sorts of gadgets to bust myths. Had they been working in tandem with Time Team, perhaps they could have made historic technology in order to recreate certain activities of the time period/location of each dig site.
There could be an element of busting myths/misconceptions of each time period in order to better understand historic accuracy.
Ooooh what a great and accurate comparison
One of the many reasons I like and miss Tony, how in the opening when the dog comes up to him, he without hesitation gives him a pat.
Tony is now on the new crowd funded Time Team channel on CZcams along with many original members.
The local archaeologists who refused to take part obviously know the landowners better than time team. Seems they may have a reputation already.
Yeah, but at least they could have helped expose the deception. It was good the deception was revealed. Such a shame those artifacts have no context and no value as a result.
They would stand aside, and let "time team" come to the same conclusions as themselves, totally independently, with out claims of being influenced by, or in colusion with the local archaeologists. a totally independent result, and of course it keeps the local archaeologists out of any local bad feelings or accusations about "doing down" the local farmer.
@@j.l.thurman2725 I would say not NO value, but much more limited value.
Yup, I could practically hear Tony screaming in his head OH BULLSHIT when SIL said the owner didn’t do this hoax
The amount of commercials are just mindblowing, after 9min of the video I've had 3 commercial breaks in total of 14 minutes. That's 5 more minutes than I've watched the show!!
Absolutely fascinating.
The coin piles on the table and determining what period of time saw the most activity.
Now I wish I'd gone down this route in my education instead of mechanical engineering.
Stumbled upon this video by pure chance as it played after something else I was watching, got up for a cup of tea and here it was.
What a treat.
Thank you
It's pretty clear what's going on here - the site is a hotspot for time traveling anomalies; people get stranded there from all timelines and must sacrifice a belonging in order to open a new portal to their destination.
okay jokes. Red flags were waving for me when Tony said the local archies refused to be a part of it. If you were a local digger you'd know about that site and you'd be *chomping at the bit* to get your hands on it and prove it's legit. Unless you already knew it wasn't. I bet the camera-shy father let the local digs use it for a playground and didn't think TT would actually turn up. Oh to be a fly on the wall in the house that evening...
What an interesting episode! I find it massively cagey that the actual owner should be so wary of taking part, having a last-minute "change of heart". If you have all this potential archaeology in your backyard, you'd want to get in there and find out everything there is to know! Maybe the stepson really didn't know, but I smell something fishy, definitely. I knew in the first few minutes of the episode the ancient stuff was nonsense, since the older standing stone was plonked in the middle of a newer trackway. That sword part though, hurt. tisk-tisk
Nice that the TimeTeam editors included the footage of Tony rubbing the bridge of his nose when he should have been interviewing the owner...
Agreed. Seeing the son-in-law's reaction when told about the sword, I don't think he knew about it. He seemed like he was figuring out the lies in his head and still trying to keep it together. It looks like his whole world was crushed.
I agree. that was my first prickle of - this isn't what it seems. SO much interesting stuff, it felt planted for sure.
@@darthd3021 oh to be a fly on the wall when he confronted his father-in-law...I wonder if he's still the son-in-law or if he GTFO...
Yup, my guess it’s the owner who did this. I’ll give son in law the benefit of the doubt that he isn’t aware of this
Tony & Mick were exactly right. If an artefact is removed from its original site, it loses its historical significance. This site is, at best, an antiquarian hoax - at worst, a criminal endeavor.
A loss to all history lovers and the public in general. Knowledge about the past lost in this way should be a crime.
@@Eric_Hutton.1980 I agree with you 100%, friend. Thanks for your reply.
I think that's utter nonsense. People are not bound inextricably from exact sites. Locations only tell you where something ended, not where it began or traveled. The idea that something has no historical significance if removed from where it collected dirt the longest is absurd. I find the history of when it was used far more useful and interesting than when it was not used, and you don't need to know where it was lost dropped to learn about how it was used when it was made.
Now obviously knowing where something came from is better than not knowing, and subterfuge or amusement park reassembling of historical sites is least preferable of all, but if the itesm themselves are legitimate, then they carry with them legitimate historical value.
Chill the f*** out dude. You guys are always wrong about everything anyway. "The pyramids are 5 thousand years old...." I hear you saying that in a squeaky Bill Nye🤷🏿👨⚕️👩⚕️👨🔬👩🔬🧑🔬🤷🏿 wrong about the Vaks_Scene voice.
@@promontorium Well, friend, I understand what you're saying, to a degree. The sword that was discovered on this site has historical significance in itself, true. But not being discovered in situ completely erases its historical provenance. It's HISTORY is lost. Consider, for instance, the gold artefacts which have been looted from the pre-Columbian civilizations of the Americas. No idea where they came from, who made them, what their historical significance was to the culture they belonged to. They simply become pretty pieces of gold, to be sold on the black market. We only know their POSSIBLE significance from similar pieces which have been discovered in legitimate archeological investigations. In the same way, the sword in this episode is a remarkable piece of history, but WHAT its actual history is, we have no way of knowing.
This is just as impressive as finding a real site. Their expertise is really on par here
To my eyes, it's a sort of crime scene. The father in law is "Individual 1". What a waste of archeologists' time!
@Ride TheCurve at the least, a very cool, rare iron age sword was found and donated to a museum. But yea, I have to agree that this site is an archeological crime scene. 😆
What a great program. As a Geologist, I consult on archeological surveys and artifacts, but have never seen anything as deliberate as this. Thanks for the field discipline that revealed this monumental hoax.
I can't even imagine the frustration with this site! I myself am infuriated that someone made this hoax!
This is a great episode, because it highlights the rigorous research methodologies organic to modern archeaology.
I reckon there would have been some fireworks in that household that night. If true, wouldn't the owner have known that the time team experts would figure out a scam quick smart? 🤦🏼♀️. Poor Son In Law.
Some ppl take great pleasure in faking out the experts, and think they are smarter for it.
One of my fav sites, I wonder if they ever found out what the deal was with the site
Would be fascinating to know what was going on with this site.
@@Eric_Hutton.1980 I posted a comment on one of Guy de la Bédoyère videos as he has his own youtube channel, I cannot find it but i believe he said something along the lines....they heard about the place before and felt before hand it was very dodgy
I really must admit, I admire how they still have fingernails amongst so much salvaging. Wooow . One of those timeless mysteries.
I feel sorry for the Son-in-Law. If he was in on it he obviously wouldn't have agreed to be on camera. I think his Father-in-Law has some questions to answer.
Time Team is so polite. If this show was in the US, there would have been a pushy guy with a mic banging on the house door insisting to talk with the guy who declined to be on TV, knowing that he planted the stuff out there. :)
I could sooo tell Tony wanted to shout bollocks or some other Brit phrase when the guy denied his father in law buried all that stuff
Who on earth would have comprised a composite jumble such as that? And why. With such valuable artifacts.A first class mystery it is.
Uhhh the owner? Remember two things: he refused to be interviewed. I have NEVER seen an episode where the location owner wasn’t part of the episode. And two, the local archaeologists refuse to touch this site. I bet they all suspect him. Plus Tony flat out ASKED THE SON IN LAW. He would never have done that on camera if he wasn’t pretty damn sure it was the owner. I’ll give SIL the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t know about this and that’s why he was ok with being on the episode
@@colleens1107 Thatdoes not answer my question which was why.
Reminds me of "Edmund Black Adder" and "Baldrick" (Tony Robinson) selling "holy relics" ( by the gross, no less) while Edmund was the Archbishop of Canterbury, lol!
I love Time Team, I thought this sight was too good to be true as well
At the end where they said Bill was going to donate the sword; I kind of picked up a bit of that beautiful British humor. Love this episode.
I’m not sure if I was watching Time Team or a new CSI:Archeology show.
Same haha -- no complaints though! This was really fun/interesting to watch
LOL, I was thinking something along those lines. Sometimes they have had to play detectives.
Man, now I really want CSI: Archeology to be a thing.
Great investigation and episode.
A true "gotch ya!" Well done Time Team. Yep , send the bill to those dodgy creeps.
That’s the most coins I’ve seen in a episode so far but I haven’t seen all of them I just found this exciting show recently 👍🏻😉
What kind of madman creates a site like this and places ancient artifacts into the ground. Thomas Price was a strange man. I expected the statue to have made in Japan stamped on it. The sword had to be put there by the current crazy owner of the land including the spring.
Price was apparently trying to revive local paganism and had a retinue of followers. The coins and other artifacts were deposited by neo-pagans recreating ancient rituals. The used old relics to add a cachet of authenticity to their rituals.
When I first saw this episode years ago i was quite upset that time team hadn't found anything. Now it's one of my favorites
Proper episode!
Sometimes I do wonder though, some interpretations are not conclusive.
For example: you find a floor with a coin from, 1333 on top. Conclusion: floor is older than 1333.
However, someone could've dug some dirt (with coin) in 1413 and deposited it on the old floor of the derelict house that then gets flattened to make room for a garden. The conclusion that the coin is thus newer than the floor isnt set in stone.
Great episode of time team, Ive never seen one like it before. Just goes to show you can’t pull the wool over their eyes in regard to the artefacts they find being from an authentic site or them being planted items from other sites. Interesting part about that reverent constructing phoney ancient sites on his property. I love how excited Tony became when talking to those two men about the coins, the English are great, when they were all sitting around talking about the sawed how polite they all were when conversing. It must be great to be an archaeologist in a country that has such a long history of human occupation, providing such a rich supply archaeological sites.
Amazing I find this incredible how these guys work. What a wonderful job doesn't seem to hard it would only take years. I wish I had them would love to learn this .
Good video! 😎👍
I love anything with this man talking to us
Where would someone in the last 20 years ob tain an apparently still incrusted 2000 year old sword and what could be a motive ? Bizarre
The owners wanted to turn the place into a tourist attraction and make money. They had to make an investment to make a profit. I smelled a rat when the old man didn't want to talk.
That shows how much research and work you'll have to put into faking an archeological site :)
Great detective work!
This is such a good ep
Okay T let's go! Great way to wake on a Sunday morning. 🎉
Soneone really wanted to ruin their collection of valuable stuff. Hope htey remember where they put the rest of if which the team didn't find.
The problem is, it may have been somewhat expensive out of context, but being able to claim it was excavated from a "legit" archaeological site, skyrockets its worth. It's shameless.
It really would be interesting to know where the scammer got all this stuff. The sword can't be a known object. Swiss would be furious about that =)
@@BoyProdigyXI think there is definitely an angle of some sort. possibly they are artifact fences? ' 'oh look what i found on our property...' and were trying to have time team legitimize their 'finds'
Love your videos. You inspired me. Now I'm looking at Google Earth to see what I can find and go check out. Thanks !
The doggie is so cute! 🤗
beautiful countryside- reminds me of eastern Tennessee
hey T? this show is tops and i really enjoy it but again and its like the 10th time, i had a queue of videos selected and my queue was dropped and interruoted with your show. it makes me think its an algorithmic error however logged it looks like a purpose over exposure motive unknown. and i just thot you all should know and again thank you kindly for this top rated fine content.
Is it just me or is Phil getting YOUNGER?!!🤔😳😁
And Tony sporting an earring.
Maybe 15yrs old?
Such an adventure Angie
Never would have thunk it in a thousand years looks great
Glad the sword was donated to a local museum but, I wonder what happened to all of the other finds. Were they handed over to the landowner who decided to forgo the interview?🤔
if objects are found on your and and below a certain threshold for value/importance, they belong to the landowner. Higher value, then national archeology can pay a reasonable value for the goods and basically take them.
well he did put them there in the first place
WOW! an epic burn. the father in law knows what's going on that's why he didn't want to talk about it. I swear it.
That darn barbed wire! lol, The Team knew from the start it was a hoax.
I love Tony as in his role for this series, but I will always hear Baldwick in Black Adder.
Baldric
Hmmmmm…the owner didn’t want to be interviewed so he had his son in law do it. This is a 20 year hoax… I think the guy who refused to be interviewed did it. I’ll give SIL the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t know. But awesome episode. I like seeing these guys DISPROVE an ancient site as much as finding a genuine one
I think the fact that the owner of the property changed his mind at the last minute to give an interview says it all really.
The spring that wasn't a spring turned up 2,000 years of finds that were found on top of 20 year old barbed wire. Case closed your Honour.
whoever threw a 2000 year old La Tene sword into water needs found and beaten
What a bummer.😐
The amount of effort and money to do that is nuts
35:16 Carenza said it! That is bloody CRIMINAL! Why did the landowner suddenly decline to show his face on camera, if he in fact wasn't the perpetrator of this CRIME? People who deal this way with important archaeological artefacts ought to get three square meals of prison food every day for a good while!
Thank you.
I've watched this episode *so* many times, it's all so fascinating, but I'm still curious about that "natural spring" - was it a human creation with plumbing? Help with answers/information, please?
Created by humans, fed by natural water. It was probably dug in a likely spot at the bottom of a slope where the ground was already soggy from water seeping up from the ground.
Any hollow dug into the ground on land as wet as that would naturally fill with groundwater. (It was at the base of a slope)
@carysmeehan4003 If you watch this episode from 38:00 one more time you can clearly see the spring did not exist in aerial pictures in 1972 and that no records of a spring show up on any maps in the last 100 years. The scepticism of our experts is obvious from beginning to end in this episode, subdued anger in fact, because who would bury a sword deliberately for it to be found and then so obviously on top of a modern fence?
It does sound great. Most engines don't sound as good as people want to think they do.
38:20 what is known as a Baldrick .... Instant Black Adder vibes. 😅 😂😂😂🥳
Bit like the old American Miners who fired a shotgun loaded with gold into the dirt to start a fake goldrush !
What a shame . Its a crime 😮
22:24 Thomas Price looks like Tony.
I smelled a hoax at 5:45 when the land owner didn't want to talk and had his son-in-law do the talking. The things some people will do to make money. smh
I’m glad the time team were able to determine the objects at the site had not been there since ancient times. However, I think we should be hesitant to accuse the owners of any wrongdoing, because ultimately we cannot know how those objects got there. Although archaeologists can gather a lot of information about a site, it is impossible for them to ever have the full picture or account for every variable. For example, perhaps when that cable trench was filled back in the excavators scooped up soil from another spot in the yard and the sword was deposited then unknowingly. Who knows. When it comes to archaeology, it’s important to recognize that not everything can be determined with certainty because ultimately we just weren’t there when it happened. In this case, I think the time team did a good job of determining that the artifacts weren’t part of an ancient site and that’s what our only takeaway should be.
@lalaLAX219 Everyone is innocent until proven guilty and it's nice to see someone prepared to be the Defence lawyer in what appears to be an open and shut case.
Time Team themselves planted a sword they made, which would potentially confuse a finder 3000 years from now
I love how they all act.. and they know its a hoax
reminds me of the piltdown man.
Ha yes they were very desperate to push evolution..
Somebody is lying
Stepdaddy has some explaining to do...
Just goes to show the integrity of the show and the people who work on it. Unlike Oak Island which has no integrity.
lol, The Time Team knew it was a hoax from the start, but they need eyeballs to make money, same with Oak Island hoax.
The episode of ' Liar ' 😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬😬
Phil loves flint
Great episode. Logically, though, I'm fairy sure you can't determine what something IS by what it is NOT.
Some say why? I say why not? 😂
What level of assurance is "fairy sure"?
As to the logic of your question You can determine what something ISN'T by what it IS. If I look for an elephant in my room and find a dog, I know the dog isn't an elephant.
If I look for an archaeological site and find a hoax then the hoax is not an archaeological site. I'm fairy sure I'm right about that,😉
grow up. if you can't figure it out, you are too sad...@@brawdygordii
logically false.
It was a waterhole all passengers drank from and as they bent over stuff fell out their pockets. Not “ritually smashed”, if a broche was broken it fell off as they kneeled over the water.
What part of "This spring did not exist before 1972" were you not understanding? 38:10
One of the carved heads looks like an Easter Island Moai. Past Time Team showed how prolific the throwing of modelled Icons, in to the waters for blessings when embarking on or along the way on pilgrimages. Makes sense.⛏🗿 This site might be on a trail of pilgrimage. OR. An early 1900 Folly. For visitors to the area to visit and fossick. That’s the second manufactured site I’ve watched. Just as important as other sites. The understanding needs work and investigation for context. Maybe the military were told to put everything back where they got it. Returned to sod after a death.
Could this site have been a camp for Foreign Nationalities living in Britain, being given the task to build a folly and dig in for people to find items for fun in Summertime picnics?
No.
Wouldn't some remainder of public knowledge still remain, very small communities around there.
Maybe it's a 19th or early 20th century training ground? That would fit in with the hype of archaeology when the pyramids were found. That time influenced everything from fashion and decor to magazines and general pop culture. A theme park would surely ensue or a training ground for those interested in the new hype.
But the barb wire, under the sword, is 20-30 years old.
So we have evidence but since it's not a lot we're just gonne ignore it amazing research truly amazing
9:52 Two men talking about their periods. They were decades ahead of their time!
Why the tight time schedule..?
Throwing swords into a lake.
Could that not be from a disarmament situation?
Why doesn't anyone suggest the sword had been dug up in the soil when the work was done, then shoveled back when it was evened out. I think it would be rare that construction guys would be on the lookout for artifacts or take notice of a lumpy muddy thing that looks like a stick.
The channel is interesting, but how about addressing some of these Comments and questions?
‘How could that have happened?’
‘I haven’t a clue’
This bloke will definitely try to sell you crypto
Of course when the trench was dug, for the water etc, maybe the sword was dug up and then put back when they filled the trench without being seen!
A sword from 250bc? Let’s bury it in the mud!!!
The sword was found on top of barbwire but next to utility lines. What about the idea that the earth dug from the ditch being made for the utility lines run to the new house was laid next to the ditch? The sword could have been dug from the new ditch from an excavator and could have been overlooked or simply pressed into position from the excavator refilling or covering the new utility lines. That could explain why it was on top of the barbwire. Im sure the experts thought of this and with all the evidence as a whole pointing at a sham, that if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck then its a duck.
Chris Gordon ..You have stated the most logical explanation of anyone on this site.I think that is logical as to what happened.
Nonsense. You don't re-position an ancient rare sword over your new installation. Laugh is over, let's be serious.
i luv u guys
I love the man who salted his garden with antiquities! What fun he and his friends must have had digging up “finds”. His parties must have been fun with everyone coming back to dine and talking about the wonders they found. What a host who delighted in his machinations!
That's quite a disgusting statement.
Oh great idea! I think I’ll break into a graveyard and do some grave robbing so I’ll have a fun activity for my next brunch 😒😒
Wish they could do this to the Ancient Aliens show.
I don't understand why they are not using a metal detector to at least make a quick search for metal items???