Brewing White Tea - The Temperature Test
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- čas přidán 2. 04. 2016
- How do you brew your White tea? In this video Don and Celine try out different water temperatures and give you their opinion on the perfect brewing temperature for Silver Needle (Bai Hao Yinzhen).
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I love Don's attitude towards tea - nonjudgemental encouragement for personal experimentation to discover preferences. I've felt myself getting a bit imperious and regimented in my mentality towards it and it's nice to see his really open and inviting approach.
+Miles Welbourn Thank you :)
when they mixed the teas together at the end I gasped! But I'm glad that they don't come off pretentious love this!!!
I love how you encourage your viewers to experiment with the teas they drink to find out what brewing parameters they like best for each tea
This is one of the things I love about white tea, it's practically impossible to do wrong. Great across a lot of temperatures, tastes great both with short and long steeps, taste great with small amount of leaf and a ton if leaf etc. It's just impossible to get a bad result assuming you've got good tea
tested 75 / 80 / 85 degrees this weekend - I found that 80 degrees is the perfect temperature to my liking for White Needle!
That's the great thing about brewing yourself, you can adapt to your taste.
Just got my first sample of Silver Needle from another company:
Steep #1 -- 90C/195F for 1:30
Steep #2 -- 95C/203F for 2:10
Both steeps came out perfect! Oddly I almost liked the 2nd steep better than the 1st steep _(prob bc I reduced the amount of water for the 2nd steep which made it taste stronger)_
The instructions for Yin Zhen Silverneedle is written for western style brewing:
11g for 1L, 80°C about 3 minutes.
I've tried out Kung Fu style:
8g for 350ml (Shiboridashi, jap. Gaiwan)
80 °C
1st for 15 sec (not to drink) then
2nd for about 1 minute.
I thought I had to brew it longer, but this 1 minute was enough so the tee was dark and brown already. The taste was great like anis!
I wanted to brew it at 90 °C for 4 minutes but we don't have any glasses yet. I'm about to buy a Glas bottle for cold brewing style soon. 🙏🏼
YES!!!!! I've been waiting for this!!
Just got my first sample of Silver Needle from another company:
Steep #1 -- 90C/195F for 1:30
Steep #2 -- 95C/203F for 2:10
Both steeps came out perfect! Oddly I almost liked the 2nd steep better than the 1st steep _(prob bc I reduced the amount of water for the 2nd steep which made it taste stronger)_
Love your video! I will follow you fron now and on! I was always drinking my white tea at around 95 celsius. Today I did it at around 75 and the taste was completely different as you mentioned. Tomorrow I will prepare it at around 90 too and see what happens. Both you are adorable!! many greetings from Athens, Greece!
Great video, thank you!
Great video. Thanks! I was always a bit confused by the different brewing temps for white tea that I have seen. More videos with Celine please!
+Cary Noel Yes there are no fixed rules and that's great because you can customise for yourself when you understand the brewing. We will definitely be doing more videos with Celine!
I like what you did with the temperature . going to try that . than u.
The instructions for Yin Zhen Silverneedle is written for western style brewing:
11g for 1L, 80°C about 3 minutes.
I've tried out Kung Fu style:
8g for 350ml (Shiboridashi, jap. Gaiwan)
80 °C
1st for 10-15 sec (not to drink) then
2nd for about 1 minute.
I thought I had to brew it longer, but this 1 minute was enough so the tee was dark and brown already. The taste was great like anis!
I wanted to brew it at 90 °C for 4 minutes but we don't have any glasses yet. I'm about to buy a Glas bottle for cold brewing style soon.
Thank you for the perfect brewing method! 🙏🏼
Seriously its like poetry the way u guys explain the taste note.. 🙏 feel enlightened.. my Tea gurus..
I would like to give a huge thanks to you guys. I was about to give up on a "flowery pekoe white tea" because it had no flavor for me, it was kinda bland and the leaves did not open at all. I was brewing the tea at 185F and steeped for 30 seconds, but still did not get that "finish" you talked about. Now I know! I will try 195 degrees next time.
Thank your for this video. I'm going to try this when I brew up my last sample packet of Guangxi Silver Needle and see how much of a difference it makes compared to how it tasted when I brewed it up gong fu style in only 100ml of water at 90C/194F.
I just bought $158 worth of tea black tea wait tea green tea in a lot of lavender personally moccia peach and lavender of my favorites
Very useful. I thought whites were super fragile, and went to max 70˚, and wondered why it tasted so almost nothingy. Almost nothingy in a very delicate way, by all means, but ... now I know I was wrong. Well, super wrong!
Don is smiling more in this video and I think I know why
Wow! Both! Not a bad idea for getting a rounded taste!!
+Tea with Jeremy A bit strange but it works!
My moonlight white tea just arrived today, perfect video timing! :D
+Márk Sümegi that is a magical tea and will be a different flavour depending on temperature - we tend to brew with 95 degree water.
Hey Mark, What is the taste profile like on that?
glad ive found your channel!
You two are adorable!
Thanks!!!
I find when you brew white tea perfect, it's magic. My problem is I'm never consistent.
How's your consistency going? I'm still working on mine. I have issues getting the water to boil at the exact temperature.
@@Archloop Same . I'm impatient . lighter is better. It's hard to make it silver, and strong. I've made tea that wasn't that great, but when it cooled off, it was magic
very helpful thanks. ....curious about next video :)))
I do 91-92 celsius and is great but I'll try the 95-96 :) like your videos.
This video completely transformed white tea for me!
Love comments like this, great to know that we have enhanced your tea experience!
+chinalife Tea House y
Do you ever cold brew whites? I love the tea hot, but often cold brew silver needle overnight in the refrigerator and then drink it at work. I have also done this with (I know, sacrilege) aged white tea and it is delicious. I can attest that it is possible to get tea drunk on cold-brewed aged white tea.
wow... i test 73C(5 minutes), 83C(4minutes) and 88C(3 minutes)
the weird one, 88C tea leaves drop at 1:30 minutes... weird...
and 83C best taste for me
thank you for this video make me try and different temp really HUGE difference taste
What's the recommendation for time and temperature, irrespective of taste, in order to extract the maximum of beneficial substances?
The normal teas are baked and rolled over and over to get darker stronger tastes, ie more processed.
The more turns it takes being heated and grounded the darker the stronger the taste.
what I've been told is silver tips(silver needle) should be boiled at around 87c
If you want the darker stronger taste, nuke it again a second time at a higher temperature and leave it longer to get a heavy taste.
In my humble personal opinion if you buy silver tips you want the floral tastes and smells. which you cant get with more processed teas.
rgds from Sri Lanka.
Would it work also for gong fu method?
Hi, thanks for great videos. Please, could you make one video about Jin Xuan (金萱) "Golden Daylily" (Nai Xiang) wulong Tea? It happened I was given a small amount of this tea but with not other specifications but the name. I found a bit of description on Wiki, but not much and I still would like to hear maybe more based on your experiences. Thank you.
+Disconnectmyself Yes this is an interesting tea because there are so many fake artificial scented versions on the market with lots of stupid stories about why it has a milk aroma. OK we will try to do a video!
+chinalife Tea House Thank you. That would be amazing! :)
Thank you! I can't wait to try this tomorrow. This would also be interesting to do with a Tie Guan Yin or a Jin Xuan Oolong. I have recently tried this sort of comparison with a First-picking Bi Luo Chun green tea; I found that when I brewed it at a lower temp (75 ~ 80C) as I would with a ShiFeng Long Jing, it was seriously lacking in flavor. However, when I raised the temperature to about 93C it tasted absolutely perfect; full of flavor, and without any bitterness. I'm guessing that this has to do with the shape of the leaves more than anything else; the first time I brewed Long Jing I used too high a temperature and it went bitter. It seems to me that the flat pressed greens are the most delicate. I'm curious to know whether or not u have had a similar experience; everyone else in my house drinks tea-dust, so I can't really discuss this sort of thing with anyone.
Thanks
+1mataleo1 We find that Bi Luo Chun is one of the most picky about water temperature. It goes from weak to too bitter in a matter of 5-10 degrees. This is usually related to the size and delicacy of the leaves more than the shape in our experience. Have you found this to be consistent across a few batches of tea? It's strange because common knowledge is that Bi Luo Chun is more delicate than Long Jing. We will have to try!
+chinalife Tea House Interesting. The leaves of both my Bi Luo Chun and my Long Jing are pretty much identical in size and appearance once they are infused. I've only brewed at the higher temp for my 2 most recent batches; however, there are 2 things i should have mentioned: first, i found that at the higher temperature, the first few infusions can only be steeped for about 20 seconds; any longer and the tea very quickly goes bitter. Second, it is possible that my temperature measurements are not as accurate as the ones that you guys take because i use an alcohol-filled laboratory thermometer that needs to sit in the water for a time until the alcohol stops rising, so it is possible that the actual temp of my water may be slightly lower by the time the water hits my tea then it was when i actual took the reading. You guys have much more experience than me, so it is probably a lack of precision on my part. Anyway, sorry for the long comment, and thanks for taking the time to respond. I have learned so much from this channel over the past few years, and i always look forward to your posts.
Thanks!
+1mataleo1 It is always tricky to know what is making the difference between something like 95 degrees for 20 seconds vs 90 degrees for 40 seconds or 85 for a minute etc. Is it the water temperature or the length of steeping? The beautiful (but sometimes infuriating) thing about brewing is that with 3 variables (amount of tea, temperature and steeping length) you have almost endless permutations to play around with and then..... you finish the batch and have to experiment again! AND we haven't even begun to talk about the teaware material and volume and the little tricks of brewing like preheating, shaking, microvibrations etc.
Oh and we haven't discussed the type of water either!
Becoming an expert in brewing requires an acceptance that no two cups of tea will ever be the same and to enjoy the fact that you will always be a student of tea. Eventually we all strive to brew from pure instinct after many thousands of brews of different tea.
Thank you for watching and keep experimenting!
Please test temperature for yellow as well
since white buds are so resilient is there a way to reliably cold brew them?
Where can I find those little glass teapots?
Don't you experience a full spectrum as you make successive steeps? Of course, this was western style, but with gong fu my water in the thermos starts to cool down anyway. Perhaps starting with 90 is good then next few will be 85, 80 etc and get more of the goodies and the full spectrum? Excellent experiment and always happy to share your experiences and insights! Joy!
Hi Don,
Do you feel one should rinse a good silver needle tea?
is ir worth cold brewing it ?
Wheres the video for making tea with used aged white tea ? I really want to taste some white aged tea and can you re use the aged pu er tea leaves ?
my experience has been
Bai Mu Dan: lower temperature (like, almost as low as I would for gyokuro, maybe 5 degrees hotter)
Silver Needle: higher temperature (well, relatively speaking. I have a preference for lower temperatures in general because I like sweeter, but mine would be closer to "Celine style")
in fact, I don't think I've ever successfully brewed silver needle any way other than gong fu style. brewing it western style yielded like....zero flavor, so I had to use 4 tablespoons of leaves, at which point it brewed a good 5-7 cups.
Agree that Silver Needle needs higher temp and more leaves to experience the true flavour.
also a longer brew time. sometimes I'll let it sit for a good 5 minutes because the buds take longer to penetrate. still experimenting with brew times though, so I may adjust this.
Can I ask, how does it work with brewing "at 90 degrees"? it's more a starting temperature of 90, cause after 4 minutes it's gonna be way lower, yesno?
So how long should I steep my silver needle for? Should I do seconds or minutes?
It really depends - there is a lot of flexibility depending on what you are after. In this video we brewed for about 4 minutes.
Hey Tea heads! Now I feel confused.
I thought I watched something the other days showing a series of 8 x short 10 - 20 seconds infusions?
I know you mentioned that this isn’t Gong Fu…but as a newbie, I’m wondering which is better??
How about how much grams of tea do you put to brew?
White tea is versatile. You can brew it in room temperature water and have a light sweet taste. You can boil it at boiling point too.
+teamaker Fox Yes out of all the tea types we think that white is the most versatile for brewing and can be suited to almost any temperature water.
I have a self heating kettle and it only goes to boiling temp. I'm not sure how to measure the temp but i think i burned my white tea because it's bitter :(
I like to cold-brew pai mu tan, it gives it a very nice sweet taste.
Boil temperature water is good for this tea. The floral will be so intense
+Chen Zeng I prefer the sweeter aftertaste.
I have a hard time believing it could make that much of a difference. I'll have too try it out
yep try!
Do we use a thermometer an timer to conduct these experiments and then for your final time-temperature selection? Do you recommend any thermometer?
You can get kettles with thermometers or use your own thermometer (I recommend an electronic one as they are faster).
Video idea: Darjeeling! I prefer mine at 80 degrees, but some people say 100! Would be cool to make few tests with 80-90-100 degrees maybe? :-)
Yes nice one. We find Darjeeling to have a a similar brewing profile to Eastern Beauty. It depends on what flavours you want to get out of your tea (and how oxidised the tea is) but we would recommend about 80-90 degrees. You can watch this video to view a comparison of brewing temperatures: czcams.com/video/DhRtQhMUXQo/video.html
this video is amazing. i watched the whole video with a big grin on my face. thank you really. now i know how to enjoy more drinking tea.
90 degrees! I will try this for sure! but... how long was the steeping time? and what was the leaves/water ratio? Help please! :)
In this video we were brewing a more of a hybrid grandpa style so we were using about 3.5g for 200ml water and brewed for 4 minutes for a full extraction. You could brew Gongfu style using about 3.5g/100ml volume and reduce the infusions to about 10-20 seconds and taste your way through more steepings.
Thank you so much!! This is very helpful! =DDDDDDDD Cheers!!
Thanks for the Fahrenheit references. Much appreciated!
I use 170°F for my teas
Last week I bought some silver needle from your online Shop. Some of the infused buds have a brown color to them... Is this supposed to be like that or did I do anything wrong (80 degrees 180sec)
Yes once infused the buds can be a copper brown colour. Is this what you are seeing?
Mei Leaf yes some buds are even a little darker. But I once read that a quality marker for good yin Zhen is that the infused buds show a very pale light green color so I was confused. Another question: what is the best way to store and unbox the tea? For now they are still in the box and plastic bag they came in but I will probably switch to a nice tin. And should I sift the tea to get rid of the tea dust and little broken buds before I'm putting it in the tin?
Depends on style of production as the Yunnan and Zhejiang versions have a longer oxidation than the classical fuding varieties. I tend to prefer that style recently as the fuding variety can be a tea which looks beautiful but lacks sweetness (I know that many will disagree). We are thinking if buying in Fuding and Yunnan/Zhejiang this year so that people can compare. Storage in a tin is best although the box is ok as long as you plan on drinking in the next couple of months. Usually any tea dust or broken leaves are sieved out during the rinse (Gong Fu Brewing) so I wouldn't worry about them myself but you can sieve if you want to.
oh ok. Then I must have bought some of the Yin Zhen from the Fuiding varieties (Bought it at 'TeeGeschwendner' a German Tea-Franchise, which unfortunately didn't include the origin of the tea...) It too has some sweetness but starts to get a little bitter in the second infusion (3min 80°C). And after trying some of your Yin Zhen I realised I was missing out... :D I really enjoy your tea!
Do you ever re-use your silver needle or white tea leaves? If you do, how long is the time interval between brewings?
+Maddy ferric yes! You should always rebrew tea including whites. You can let lave ip to a few hours in between brewing.
Alright, thank you! I've never been sure. Would it have to steep for longer or would it risk getting bitter?
+Maddy ferric usually start steeping longer after a couple of infusions. It is very difficult to make good white tea go bitter. It depends on your tea but you can infuse for a while. We always recommend brewing Gong Fu style for a richer flavour.
+chinalife Tea House thanks. :) knowing this makes my day
Where can I get a tea set like yours?
Your taste buds speak like Lord Byron: they talk about meloniness, lonely teas and woody vanillary. On the other hand, mine speak like a guy from Birmingham who sells stolen cigarettes and whiskey: Hey m8 this s*** is good! Can I have some more?
#melonyness :D
I love the content I love the detail I love enthusiasm I just wish you would make them, and not include so much mouth sound, because it l takes away from the enjoyment of the video for me.
can the U.S. just switch to metric? please? lol (i'm from the U.S. so don't haze me)
Totally agree. I'm from US too but I still just use Celsius for brewing tea. Much easier.
We've been getting around to this my whole life! I was raised metric and it still hasn't quite happened. Worst of all it's mixed, and that creates endless problems of its own. Well, maybe after WWIII?
Multiply by 1.8 then add 32. Or just memorize 80 85 90 95. 176 185 194 203. You can round those up or down a degree or two to make it even easier. 85 is the easy one 85 = 185 then for every 5 degrees c equals about 10 degrees F. If 85 = 185 then 80 = 175 90 = 195 95 =205 approximately.
get married already
So when are you guys going to get married??
Could you use urine
Great video, informative. but why is she wearing a mens shirt? it looks very masculine.
+ Mei Leaf
I have only one question. Does the cooler brewing method make a HEALTHIER tea?? That's what concerns me most.
Btw, please stop using such LARGE LETTERS in your videos, it looks like a billboard, covering both of you up. Subtitles shouldn't do that:)