Why are Pilots afraid of ATC? Flying IFR with a Controller to find out! - Mooney M20J - VLOG
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Here is a rhyme to help,
75 - My passenger wants to drive
76 - The radio needs a fix
77 - We're all going to heaven
Jonathan Rooks I am going to share this with everybody I know!
Don't forget:
70 - We're in Europe, oh no! (or We're in Europe, doh!)
75 - man with knife ;)
69 - I went down like a swine.
75- Bin ladins inside
speaking for myself, it's the fear of sounding like an idiot over the radio
Haha - agreed :) You get better over time, and when you're current. I've had a few brain fart moments when I was lacking in "ATC recency"
FlightChops as a student with a little more than 10 hours I've had a few brain fart moments haha. Great vid btw
Borel 2016 agreed.... most definitely
The only way to learn is by doing it. Just remember, if you make a mistake, you're not the first person to ever make it and you won't be the last.
I was lucky enough to have a towered field as my training field. I feel much more comfortable talking with ATC and coming into a towered field than working near uncontrolled fields.
7500 = "cheat code" for military escort!
75 guns and knives
😂😂
I remember a video where ATC suspected a hijacking, so they actually *INSTRUCTED* the pilot "Squawk 7-5-0-0", figuring they'd comply if under duress, otherwise question it.
When I was flying DC9's, the NY Center told us to turn 30 degrees left for "Noise Abatement". We were at FL280. Usually Controllers tell you to turn for "Noise Abatement" down low like 2000 feet above the ground over some noise sensitive area for people on the ground. I remember looking at the Captain with a funny look, like "We are at Flight Level 280 (28,000 feet)... Then the Controller said I turned you left 30 degrees for traffic at your altitude. Yes... See Controllers DO have a sense of humor. If we had not turned there would have been a big noise of 2 aircraft colliding at FL280. LOL.
That's very funny xD
...followed by a very loud noise on the ground shortly after
Great Vid! Here is how I remember the squawk codes. "75 taken alive, 76 technical glitch, 77 going to heaven." When you say it you will hear how it rhymes.
steveo1kinevo Excellent! Have you ever had to squawk one of those codes?
THANK YOU! it was driving me crazy trying to remember that rhyme - I'd heard it years ago and it didn't stick :)
steveo1kinevo See you in every video
I was always taught: 75 - men with knives, 76 - radio fix, 77 - going to heaven. But whatever works
Do you have a good one for 7777?
The hardest part of flying is talking to the controller. They seem like good people, I just suck at speaking with them and jotting down what they say.
We kinda pride ourselves on spitting out lotsa info in one transmission. Its a useful skill when it gets busy but i understand that it can get a bit over the top. I'm often impressed by readbacks of things I have said but i just figure pilots are good at that stuff. I wouldent blame em for a "say again" though.
@@joerag6077 The fear makes us write quickly.
Half Star Films They say everything so fast!!!
@@joerag6077 ⁶⁶yhi yuh iou up iui
@@joerag6077 I have no problem asking, I also have no problem giving you the same shit back. It´s more than once happened to me that I had to repeat a readback, because I was too fast for ATC. ;)
Keeping it short doesn´t mean read it as fast as you can.
The look on your face when he called the controller by his name to cancel IFR was priceless. I wonder if he even realized he did that?
Haha - I know, right?
10:41 haha
John Gault Are you okay sweetheart? Did you have a bad day?
John Gault bow down to the atc rulers boii
As a non pilot.. I wish I knew what you meant by this. Well over my head...
*învites ATC into plane*
*forgets to update charts*
VERY informative. Lots of pilots need to watch this. I feel really fortunate that I learned to fly out of a Class C airport. Because of that, ATC has always been "normal" to me, and uncontrolled ops scared me early on. I took my Dad to Fort Worth Center to get a tour and talk to controllers, and I think it really eased his apprehension. Good video Steve.
Thanks Josh!
Yeah, there was a lot of little stuff packed in here that I wasn't expecting. Good stuff.
Always wanted to learn to fly but I must admit all the ATC interaction is very intimidating!
Do it anyways!
I've been flying gliders for half my life now and talked to ATC exactly once. And even if you go a different route and talk to them more often, a lot of other people learned to do so before you ;)
Flying is absolutely worth it and you're missing out!
It IS intimidating at first. Once you understand the airspace and what is required in each area of airspace and spend your life talking with Controllers it becomes easier. I spent 15,000 flight hours flying Turboprops and Jets, and after a while you get use to it, because you know WHAT to expect.
WIRRUZZZ this is GREAT advice.
It’s probably the name “Controller” that scares people. I mean, who wants a “Controller” in their life 😉
But seriously, Controllers are there to serve as a lookout for all the traffic occupying the space. They keep traffic separated and keep safe distances between aircraft and other ground vehicles. They are there to protect the airspace. As a pilot you participate in that quest by letting them help you. As a professional pilot you respect them for doing a difficult job and they treat you with respect also. But, everybody makes mistakes, it’s human nature. Knowing what you need and what to expect from the controller in different airspaces takes the fear out of your interaction with them.
Once in a while tempers flare like with Newark ground controllers or Clearance delivery people. You can hear some pretty funny stuff in stressful busy times in crappy weather lol, I have heard some interesting exchanges from the ground controllers in LaGuardia. There is plenty of pressure in LaGuardia. It’s an airport built on a dock on top of a garbage dump. I’d be pissed if I had to work there too 😆
ATC here with only a few years of experience under my belt before doing it ATC is scared of talking to pilots for mostly the same reason.
As a student pilot, i can say what has helped me with nerves and talking to atc is just reminding myself that pilots and atc are on the same team in order to keep everyone safe and to keep flying fun and organized.
It's great to see how much engagement this one is getting!
Please share any questions you'd like to see addressed when we do the next one with Stephen; we're hoping to do a second chapter - another IFR flight, planning to land at YYZ, and hopefully filming the interviews at the actual terminal facility in Toronto.
Where did the chops go?! Been a bit since I last saw a video.
FlightChops this video was great! I would love to be apart of a team that makes educational videos like this! Loved the graphics from cloudahoy and all the useful information in this.
Daniel Harris i believe he whacked them off this past no-shave-november.
hey, guys looking for a pilot to assist with some smuggling south of the border for a gold mining operation - does anyone know anyone interested ??
@@billbobaggins5309 hahahaha
I'm not even a pilot and I enjoyed this.
awesome! :)
Same
I am happy to hear that non pilots watch and enjoy the content, but this channel does target the aviation demographic, and that is in fact where most of the views do come from.
I have 2800 hours and due to my new job at an airline, I'm a "student pilot" on the radio again being based out of Chicago O'hare. The biggest factor I am adjusting to is capturing a long, fast taxi clearance, referencing it on the map and reading it back. I have 6 trips from there now and it is getting easier as I learn what to expect.
I'm a controller in the US at a Class Charlie Tower/Approach. Also a pilot getting close to my instrument rating. I don't have as much experience as Stephen does but everything he said I agree with. When i call up on the pilots side I say "Approach Cessna 951JA with a VFR Request" Then I wait patiently.
I Wish more controllers were pilots and also wish more pilots would take the time to get with an organization like EAA or AOPA and try to set up a tour to visit the controllers and understand each other better. We are not out to get you. We are here to help.
Great stuff sir!
100% agree. I was a USAF Class D tower controller, but am in pilot training now. I had my instrument rating prior to leave the ATC world. Having a view of both sides of the spectrum was super beneficial.
We held an annual event called "Scare a controller" around Halloween where a lot of the GA pilots around the area would take up a few controllers and show them around the airspace from the air. It would amazingly beneficial and one of the coolest things I've experience while working in aviation. It was also an open forum and a direct dialogue between pilot and controller. We also let the pilots come and check out our RAPCON (tracon) and see what the radar rats were dealing with.
As a controller I saw a lot of GA dudes skirts the delta across the approach corridor right at GS intercept altitude. It pays to be familiar with the airspace and airfields in the area you frequent.
I have heard and done it both ways. CFIs and other pilots I fly with insist on a first call that includes direction of flight, altitude (at and climbing to), distance to field and intent. Near my home Class Charlie field the TRACON guys want just aircraft make (Cirrus, Cessna) and tail number on the first call, wait, then respond. Near Vegas, for example Nellis Approach (coming from the North) wants the full call with heading, altitude, and intent. I tend to make the calls as short as possible if the frequency is busy (as a guide) if not, then give more info on each call as needed.
Nothing but respect for you my friend thanks for the work you do
I love talking to ATC. I've never been denied a request. Whether it's Class B clearance or Class C or D communication establishment, flight following, I have a blast talking with them.
Good little trick for the transponder codes: 75- taken alive (hijack 7500), 76- technical glitch (comms 7600), 77- going to heaven (emergency 7700)
Or Hi Jack, I cant talk right now, I have an emergency.
I remembered it by High 5!
Thank you for doing a video like this. Talking to ATC was one of my biggest obstacles I had when I initiated my pilot training. Very rare to see a video with this kind of insight. I wish I had seen this video back in those days. That also goes to all of your videos.
Really appreciate the dedication you put into your craft, it's inspiring and I think I can say that along with the rest of the aviation community.
Absolutely love this channel. I start flight school next august. I'll be going all the way from private to commercial and CFI. Watching these videos and doing research on all of the nomenclature, techniques, and other discussions are really helping me get a bit of a head start on my schooling.
I'm a ex pilot and Airport fire fighter, this makes me miss it so much
Boy, please feel free to do as many videos with Stephen as you want to. Really excellent, And very clear explanations.
+Mike Kobb - Roger that - more stuff with Stephen is planned :)
***** w00t!
Great video! I was taught from early on to contact ATC. I'm so glad to have that extra set of eyes to keep me safe, especially when flying along the shoreline through the downtown corridor. Keep up the great videos!
I used to be petrified to go into a class delta.. now I love it... they even tell you what runway to land..winds.. and there is an ATIS! Much better than approaching an uncontrolled airport.
The info about the *mentality* of communicating, and then getting to watch it in actual correspondence was so helpful. Plus the audio was so clear. This was great
Love it, Love it, Love it! Thanks for another real world realistic video. Working on my IFR and got a TON out of this one!
Right on! We're happy to share!
I'm a controller and VFR pilot. Helps so much to know both sides of the mic! Great video!
Great episode. As an aspiring pilot its great to watch videos like these to help with situations I've never thought of the any traffic scenario before so thats a good tip for me
Just used flight following for the first time a couple weeks ago through Toronto airspace. My first long cross country since becoming a private pilot last year . Thanks to all the controllers that treated me like a pro . Thanks for the great video Steve!
I was engaged in this video to the very end and always intrigued by the flight process. Loved the dual prospective of a pilot / controller. Would love to see more insights from him. Thanks for the content and great work!
As a person just starting out, it's interesting to hear how an ATC as a pilot handles situations.
Excellent perspective, I remember having a conversation with a veteran radar operator, totally changed the way I communicated with ATC.
I like how calm and collected the p.i.c is when talking to atm and this really and this really shows good airmanship.
My instructor just put me straight into the deep end and had me do all the radio stuff from the start
it helps the most!
Good refresher with a controller. Thanks, Steve. Another good video!
I've found listening to videos on youtube as well as recording my own ATC interactions really helps me do better. Thanks for the great videos FlightChops!
Boy was that a lot of insight for one whole video... I can't thank enough for clearing countless issues for so many of us out there trying to figure out how to approach the controllers with the right messages at the right tones.
interesting to hear about flying from a controlers point of view.
I love these kinds of videos! Happy Thanksgiving, I'm sure thankful for your videos
Just wow! I have never flown a day in my life but this clip hit home hard. Im astounded of the disconnect between GA and commercial education of safety principles. What you guys are doing is amazing. Wish you all the best.
Starting my PPL in a month and am loving these videos. Thanks!
I learned to fly at EIKN in Ireland , not a busy airport and then I trained under the JFK Bravo at KFRG . the way I got up to speed on the comms part was to listen to liveATC every chance I got . Now I,ve no problem working in the system and sometimes I,ll even try to sound like the Airline guys .!!!!. I think every student should have liveATC in their bookmarks ... Great video .. kepp up the good work .
Aidan Beirne dd rose d
dd rose d ????
My instrument instructor loved to throw curves at me, like covering certain instruments at critical times or playing with the flaps control during landings. I loved him for it; he made me a better and more confident pilot. Anybody can learn procedures under perfect conditions, but learning to adapt to imperfect conditions teaches volumes. Thank you, Doug Niester!
I try to take notes whenever possible. Makes readbacks easier and in stressful situations you don't forget what you have to do
In the process of learning and have been watching many videos and also flying on a sim it still feels overwhelming but it is getting easier with practice. It is good to know they are there to help not get upset at us.
75 "Taken Alive"
76 "Radio needs fixed"
77 "Going to heaven"
That's awesome!! Never heard that before!
I always heard "76 can't talk to these d**ks"
76 Falling like bricks :D
Is 76 only for communicational limitations, or is there any other malfunction that would render 7600 the correct squawk, while not being qualified for a 7700 code?
75, man with a knife
77 FALLING from heaven
As a FAA examiner once passed on to me: 'Never let anyone at any time do anything to jeopardize the safety of your flight.' That anyone could be your passengers or it could be ATC. Or it could even be you if you were to think about it. Just last night I was reading about a pilot who took 3 pax with him to the final by and by. Same old song but with a new twist, he missed the control lock in place because it was installed backward in his C-172 and it was obscured by the yoke mounted Ipad. Obviously that wasn't causative but it was a significant contributive factor. Y'all be safe out there. We haven't left one up there yet.
I learned about your videos on the Finer Points podcast. My wife and spent our rainy Sunday morning watching a few. This one with the ATC Controller flying was excellent! You have a real gift to make entertaining and informative contributions to our community. Thanks so much.
As a future student pilot this video is actually very comforting. The thing i am most worried about when I start training is radio communication. It's nice to see that people in ATC and others realize that it's a lot of peoples worry too.
LOL. I am already stressed with Vatsim ATC
Ifly 777 what is atc?
ATC == Air Traffic Control
to be fair, vatsim controllers can be dicks.
Not all of them of course, one of their controllers in Toronto over a decade ago showed me how to fly a circuit and some atc lingo that newbie-me didn't know, but then when I came back to vatsim as a licenced pilot I got treated like an idiot.
Ifly 777 same
I know at least one licensed pilot who is on Vatsim, but on the side of the controllers. So, those explanations might have come from a RL CFI...
The big thing, in my way of thinking, is that many pilots feel intimidated by the rapid fire pace of the controller's, as well as professional pilot's, radio exchanges. Additionally, GA aircraft are much more noisy than most aircraft flown by professional aircrews, so the pressure to get it right... THE FIRST TIME... is high. My best investment was in a Bose noice cancelling headset which, even in our noisy club C-172, greatly enhances my ability to hear clearly. Another equally important thing that GA pilots can do is make sure that they are familiar with correct radio procedure and nomenclature. Usually the shortest, clearest explanation of who, where and what works the best and there is specific phraseology for almost every situation that can be learned ahead of time.
Newbie here, just starting out w flying, but I learned so much, I think I learned so many lessons that could come into play much later. plus its just facinating. :) thank you so much guys .
Another great video from FlightChops. So good to see something in Canadian airspace. Big thank you to Stephen the controller, who gave of his time, knowledge and AvGas.
I like that you included some info about using ATC when doing "airwork" ... I often fly sightseeing flights, either for myself or family, which means meandering around the sky aimlessly with lots of turns and altitude changes.. I have had controllers drop me from flight following because I wasn't flying a predictable route. They were clearly annoyed.
Did you let the controllers know your intentions before you started meandering? because then what yo were doing would not have been un predictable. Anyway, regardless, yes, VFR flight following is "work load permitting" so maybe thy just couldn't continue to fit you in.
If flying VFR you should tell the controllers (on the ground before takeoff) or in the air on first contact what you are going to do (air work near location x, sightseeing over area x, short flight to destination and return) if you are not going cross country. That way they can plan to cut you loose or hang on to you dependent on traffic. Sometimes they will hang on to you even if you are just 'fooling around' so they know you are monitoring and they can give you traffic separation warnings and cite you as a traffic problem for others.
The flip-flop on Stephen Newman's titles was a nice editing touch... made me laugh. On a completely different note, watching this and any/all other IFR training videos make me feel like I'm SO-not-really a pilot. Someday...
In only 100 years. What an amazing feat of human ingenuity, to have such a system of separation in place. Got a love IFR. A special thanks to all the engineers who make flying possible.
So good to see a controller who is also a pilot. Cross training is extremely important. I really enjoy just listening to ATC live and anything that has to do with aviation training. I would love to go up into a tower to train for a day. I feel that anything that has to do with aviation training will help me to be a better pilot and or controller.
ATC/Pilot provides a very unique angle.
Awesome job on this. I think more emphasis in flight school and currency updates should be put on communication. After all, communicate is part of our cycle of activities between engine start and shutdown. Radio checks must be taken more seriously than a curt five by five on passing by the mic. Turning on and making sure the coms work properly in places like Burlington is as important as making sure the wings are still glued on to the fuselage in the pre flight. Going to rent a plane which has questionable coms can make a pilot wish he'd stayed home all year! If coms are questionable and we are already up in the air we must stay ... Clear of heavy traffic routes.
No, I don't know what is 5x5. Must have been flying with me head up my kiester all these years.
I'm not a pilot but love watching the video. I thought it was cool to hear the controller say to call out the tail number and wait for a responce. Also, it's nice to see a video like this before I would take flying lessons. I love seeing youtube videos because I can see where things are complicated and having some background that relates may be (is) important. I'm less intimidated by it now.
I ran into the keeping the speed up issue in IMC after a rough night of sleep last week. I feel more confident after watching this telling the controller I can't maintain a speed. Thanks man!
My dad was IFR qualified for as long as I can remember. I've never heard of him being afraid of ATC. I've heard stories about other pilots being forgotten, like a guy over Stockton, Ca at 4000' in the clouds beaning told to fly east, then left on that heading long enough for him to worry about the mountains, but I've never heard of them being scared of ATC.
Nice Moony by the way.
Whenever I have a problem with a controller, I start speaking broken Russian. Slows them down, and they fear making a mistake.
Lol. Awesome!
Great video! As a pilot it's always helpful to get a controllers insight... helps lift the "fog" of ATC communications... and ease the fears associated with being in the system. Beautiful aircraft... what a panel. Thanks for another informative and awesome video!
I've been practicing in my room and online with flight simulators to get my real voice out. I've always tried to keep my head straight when communicating as not to get confused. This video was informative and helped me a lot with talking on the radio. Awesome video!
Excellent video! Very helpful.
+FunPlacesToFly.com - thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
Nice one! There's no such thing as too much "face to face" communications between controllers and pilots.
Seriously! It seems like the two never want to interact too much. Just something like saying "unable" because your not comfortable is such great advice. Controllers are only familiar with flying characteristics and pilot work loads for the A/C they work in most cases. There's no way they can be experts in every type of plane they'll encounter. It's on the pilot to tell a controller if something can't be done safely due to wieght, conditions, or even skill. That's the kinda thing every controller would be happy to stress to pilots. Tell me unable! Don't risk it for a biscuit.
I know that I have trouble talking with controllers, this video really showed the justice behind learning how to speak clearly and crisply and to also not be afraid of these guys.
I grew up flying an Aeronca Champ with no radio so have always felt a little deficient when it comes to radio. It's great to have access to so much content these days where I can listen to radio communication to get the feel for it again.
Hi Jack! --- sorry, can't talk --- I'm having an emergency.
Haha - awesome! - between that one and Steveo's Rhyme, I think I'm finally good to go with remembering those codes :)
Lol! Good one!
Let's see more of that Mooney!
+Matthew May - planning on it. :)
Haven't even finished watching the 1st minute and I'm hooked, what a great idea for a video
Loved this one Steve! Can't wait to start IFR training. It was great to get a controllers perspective. It's always been an ongoing argument amongst pilots on whether you should be getting flight following or making position calls on the common frequency instead. BTW... Awesome that he also flies out of zba as well!! Hope we can all connect some day. I love and miss these traditional videos. Please make more of them :)
haha. Here I am getting training in an aircraft where 100-110 knots is the top speed, and a typical landing final approach speed is 48 knots...
Then again we do train7ng at a non-towered field and aren't allowed in controlled airspace anyway.
But I honestly wouldn't know what to think being told 'keep your speed up'. XD
Hi Kuralthys,Decades ago I, too, learned to fly at a uncontrolled (non-towered) field. One of my flight instructor's admonition has stuck with me:At an uncontrolled field, which is the active runway?At an uncontrolled field, all the runways are active!!!!!
Interesting. Perhaps you aren't in the US for your training, but FAA requires landings at a towered airport for you to get your private. In the US you MUST go into controlled airspace.
Us pilot's should always remember that "Controllers (ATC) are always here to help ask questions they will give you there best answer"
its a service, its our job to ensure a pilots safety but we wont know you need help if you don't ask. Don't worry about asking too much we don't judge - or if we do, you won't know about it ;)
Your job is to assist (on the odd occasion) a pilot maintain aircraft safety and to be a traffic cop in busy airspace. You can judge pilots all you like, hope they won't judge when you make your mistakes...
This was awesome. I really appreciate the educational aspect to this, especially as a private pilot.
Beautifully done, informative, and greatly appreciated. A big fan of all you're doing for our wonderful GA community!
WHY WAS I NOT SUBSCRIBED to this channel?
I subbed.
+Joe N. - right on thanks! New video every 2nd Friday, and Enjoy the back catalog of ~100 videos now!
***** Thank you!
what does "sterile cockpit" mean? you mentioned it in regards to the final approach. Also, what version of ipads are you guys using?
+GreyMaulkin sterile cockpit means minimal talking and only discussing things that are directly related to the task at hand. I use an iPad mini4, not sure about Stephen.
I had on experience where I could have been written up but the ATC decided to let me off with a warning. As a student pilot I was scared crapless but I'm very thankful how they decided to handle it. Definitely gained a new respect for them. Great video!!
Wow, this guy looks just like Tim Cook!
For me if somebody (like atc) talks to fast I will forget some of it and ask atc to say it slower and I kinda feel bad they have to repeat themselves.
Yeah - I feel the same.
Truly stepping up the content quality!!! The work that your team is putting in is definitely coming in loud and clear on this end! Flight Chops, thank you for stoking a fire under me to join the aviation community. Keep it up!
Great Work! One of the best Videos i have seen on this Channel (y) PLEASE MORE
"Thirty O seven", "Four thousand for five thousand" ....... Some of the ways on how I don't recommend pilots to respond on the radio. O is a letter not a number, and "for" can be confused with the number "four".
What is a better phrase instead of for? "Climbing to"? Or just "to" perhaps?
gmontoy153a It's nit picking like this that make some apprehensive about talking to ATC. The guy in the video is a controller and clearly knows how he needs to communicate with ATC. We don't need to be perfect with ATC, if they get confused they'll verify. So many people don't talk to ATC for fear of saying something the wrong way.
I try to say "four thousand CLIMBING five thousand" or "five thousand DESCENDING four thousand." TO and FOR both sound like numbers but I would agree with the other commenter on this thread that most of the time controllers understand perfectly fine either way and that nit picking can be counter-productive. With that said I do like to try to be intentional about how I say things in order to make it as easy as possible for ATC to understand.
yeah i go with the one threethousand climbing FL210 etc or descending one two thousand... thats lot better thand using FOR or TO
sometime at work when using radio.. i would accidentally say in quick manner like 'Door 1-oh-4 is ready to go' when it should be Door 104. off the point... sorry. move along guys.
why is he eating his mic though :D
Loved the ATC Video! just starting on my private pilots, the video helps give a little confidence by knowing its ok ask ATC additional information/repeat etc.
This was awesome, controller dude....like a normal guy.....talking to a controller....,also like the reminder about PIC determining what he and the plane are capable of doing...which changes based on all the factors at play, incliding the I'M SAFE checklist!
I am a pilot i've never seen a pilot who is afraid of atc ?! They can get us in trouble and we can too
Me: "Van Nuys Tower, Helicopter 699PH northwest corner, reque..."
ATC: "UNABLE! 👿"
+1BA AV8R - haha. Only hick up with that story is how did they interrupt you, if you were transmitting, thus owning the frequency? But I hear what you are saying, they did not have time for a request at that moment and it can be frustrating to face that.
FlightChops lol I was joking but I understand their (ATC's) frustration level which is why I try to be as helpful on frequency when possible.
For me, it was balancing the radio communication while managing the airplane. Creating a flow with the radios (like a before landing flow) helped a tremendous amount. We typically do not think of the radios when we think of CRM (cockpit resource management) but they are an important "system within a system" that we should integrate into our every flight flow. I fly out of KAUN and recently, I was beginning my complex endorsement training in an arrow and we flew over to San Francisco's Bravo airspace. My primary obstacle was simply remembering to breathe in the midst of listening to all the traffic. The flight went smooth, was beautiful, and I was able to get cleared into the bravo while flying over the Golden Gate Bridge. Quite the memory.
Man, this kinda stuff would have been SO NICE to have back when I was learning. Nice that you take the time to provide it now.
Ok this is flight chops. Were is the chops?! First thing I thought was who is this guy. lol
the 'chops have vacation days like the rest of us... this flight was filmed during one of those times. Good news is they are back with in a week or two :)
Oh, TETOS. I thought you were saying "TIto's." Like it was Tito's waypoint.
I understood cheetos... lol
Excellent informative video. When I was learning to fly, I often included to much detail in my radio calls when approaching the field for landing. I have since learned to make my calls short and concise. My pet peeve is listening to pilots conversing with each other over non flight relevant subjects. Thus making it difficult to make timely radio calls, especially on final approach.
Like every other pilot I was intimidated by talking on the radio when I started my private training. I learned how to fly at KCOS which is a Class C airport. One of the biggest things that got me over that initial intimidation was taking a trip to the control tower and getting to meet a lot of the controllers and see the inside of Springs Approach/Departure and spend time up in the tower. Getting to see the operation and put names and faces to voices on the other side of the radio helps me see communication as a conversation with another person. I highly recommend anyone who has the opportunity to do the same.
Mike at our little non-busy class D field gave a tour to a small group. Very nice understandable young man and as soon as he clicked the mic everythingthatcameoutofhismouthwasruntogetheratdoublehisnormaltalkingspeed.
Low hour pilots can't do anything about it, most of them do it, we just have to ask them to repeat.
Dear Air Traffic Controllers: SPEAK UNDERSTANDABLY.
If you clear me to land on runway 18L, don't say "cllllanruwanetyleft".
It depends.
Clrd 18L is pretty standard and If You briefed that You know what to expect.
But i agree with You in case of some unusual clearances they need to speak slowly.
Dunno about you, but I am shit scared of the atc at my airfield. They're almost as ruthless as the lot in Frankfurt. They don't tolerate any mistakes and if you don't call back within 3 seconds perfectly *you are fucked*
Ryan M. KDAB?
Ryan M. Are there any stories on Frankfurt? Seems pretty specific
Johnny Kush not that I have experienced but what I heard. A British airways b747 went nose to nose with another aircraft and the ground went insane. And no one wanted to say anything or make a mistake which might irate them any more. And apparently they were really mad and said that the plane can expect to sit for half an hour on taxiway before given instructions that need to be followed perfectly
Great video, with some really valuable information. This touched on some things that are seldom discussed and almost never taught. Thanks for sharing !
Truthfully very comfortable flying with ATC. Bad radio work is usually confined to either too much or too little comms.
Great episode! Especially as a new student pilot, it's good to get a handle on what ATC's expectations are early on! Thanks!