John II Komnenos: John the Good

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  • čas přidán 30. 09. 2018
  • This video discusses the reign of John II Komnenos the third emperor of the Komnenian dynasty to hold the title of emperor. He was known for his clemency, high moral character, vigerous campaigns, adroit diplomacy and general recovery of the fortunes of the Byzantine Empire following his father's reign.
    Predecessor: Alexios I Komnenos
    • Alexios I Komnenos: Cr...
    Successor: Manuel I Komnenos
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    Bibliography:
    Niketas Choniates, O City of Byzantium, Annals of Niketas Choniates, Translation by Magoulias,
    H. J. (1984)
    Angold, M. (1997) The Byzantine Empire, 1025-1204. Edinburgh.
    Bucossi, A and Suarez, A. R. (2016) John Komnenos, Emperor of Byzantium: In the Shadow of Father and Son, London.
    Harris, J. (2003) Byzantium and the Crusades - Second Edition, London.
    Treadgold, W. (1997) A History of the Byzantine State and Society, Stanford.
    Image Credits:
    Anna Komnene by Leslie Edens:
    www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/15044...
    John II and Irene(Piroska) by Alexandra Adamkovicova:
    www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/44212...
    Byzantine Cataphract by Enes:
    www.pinterest.ch/pin/69383650...
    Music Credit: 'Rivers' 'Time' and 'Balance of Power' by Ed Lima and Steve Maitland from Empire Earth by Sierra.

Komentáře • 134

  • @user-iu1eg2pt7i
    @user-iu1eg2pt7i Před 2 lety +18

    Komnenian Restoration is such an underrated period of Byzantine history.

    • @erwannthietart3602
      @erwannthietart3602 Před 6 měsíci +1

      a final century of golden age for an Empire fated to have fallen after Manzikert and a few centuries of life it was never going to see otherwise

  • @hopeprevails3213
    @hopeprevails3213 Před 3 lety +101

    Honestly probably the best emperor Eastern Rome ever had, I'm not even kidding. Justinian, Heraclius, Basil, Alexios, all are incredible, but this man managed to turn the tide in such dire times for the realm that I actually find it hard to believe. It's true that his father managed to stop the crisis and provide long awaited stability, but he still left the empire in a critical condition and struggling to keep up financially and militarily. John not only made the state perhaps the richest in Europe, but rebuilt the army, fixed the nepotism, stabilized the Balkans, absolutely murdered the Pechenegs, reconquered half of Anatolia incredibly quickly with minimum casualties... and was genuinely a kind and good character, loved by his people. I sincerely believe his only mistake is Venice and not improving the empire's external relationships. I can't imagine what would've happened if that suspicious incident didn't take place... probably Byzantium would've been still standing today.

    • @DimitarFCBM
      @DimitarFCBM Před 2 lety +8

      I also think he's the best ERE Emperor ever. Certainly better than Basil and Justinian, even better than Alexios.

    • @dillonblair6491
      @dillonblair6491 Před 2 lety +3

      @@DimitarFCBM
      I'm not sure abouts heraclius though, although I could see why someone might think that given what happened in his later years

    • @iDeathMaximuMII
      @iDeathMaximuMII Před 2 lety +8

      @@dillonblair6491 Heraclius was a tragedy
      John II, the Augustus of the Empire was a really good ruler & if the Empire had more rulers such as him. Then the Romans could’ve been a surviving state. Much smaller yes but still alive nonetheless

    • @Cecilia-ky3uw
      @Cecilia-ky3uw Před rokem +3

      @@DimitarFCBM Alexios is arguable, since he did preserve a crumbling empire, his reign's job was not to regain territory, it was to reconsolidate what was disorganised

    • @Cecilia-ky3uw
      @Cecilia-ky3uw Před rokem +7

      @@iDeathMaximuMII Heraclius was a tragedy, a good emperor who got EXTREMELY unlucky, like unbelievably unlucky, luck the level of getting invaded by cheat armies after you just won a long, long and painful war against the Persians using your wits

  • @danijelkasunic7572
    @danijelkasunic7572 Před 5 lety +83

    I am so glad you did this. John is my favourite emperor as he leaves so much space for 'what if'. If he had at his disposal resources that emperors from Macedonian dinasty had we could only imagine what he could have done.

    • @EasternRomanHistory
      @EasternRomanHistory  Před 5 lety +32

      He is one of my favourites too. Not only building on his father's efforts but laid the ground work for further successes, which were seen through by Manuel. Thanks for the comment.

    • @Sandouras
      @Sandouras Před 4 lety +3

      Basically if his son was as focused as he was and if the Byzantine Empire started to get a national identity, instead of every faction looking for itself. And instead of every idiot trying to become emperor, starting a civil war in the process.

    • @celdur4635
      @celdur4635 Před 4 lety +4

      @@Sandouras Indeed, they needed to reform and spark the rise of early nationalism OR go back to being a republic without an emperor, similar to early Rome but with important reforms which was unfortunately nigh impossible. The ERE needed many good generals and many good domestic leaders to succeed and having the Throne so "open" to anyone was a detriment rather than a boon.

    • @funfff
      @funfff Před 3 lety +13

      He is my favored emperor as well. He achieved so much in only 25 years (his father Alexios and son Manuel ruled each for 37 years) with the minimum blood spillage. He practically abolished capital punishment during his reign. Great general, great statesman, genuinely good man...

    • @nikolamaksic4790
      @nikolamaksic4790 Před 3 lety +5

      He is my favourite emperor too. Empire was on the brink of the existence and broke when Alexios ascended the throne so that he had to confiscate church property and melt gold and silver relics to pay for mercenaries. Even tough Alexios stabilized the Empire, it was John who paved the road for Manuel and his Balkan conquest and even oportunity to pay for coup in Apulia making the Empire the wealthiest european power. Shame more sources werent preserved so we would know how he did it.Having that in mind even mediocre emperor would conquer Balkan and subdued turkish warlords and emirates all the way to Armenia / Antioch and undued Manzikert. But unfortunately Manuels personality and one bad decision after another brought 1204 on the Empire and after the blood was spilled between West and East there was no going back.

  • @mikeperry7335
    @mikeperry7335 Před 4 lety +59

    they really should make a tv or streaming show about the byzantine empire

    • @EasternRomanHistory
      @EasternRomanHistory  Před 4 lety +32

      I agree, though a good historical show is rare anyway and the byzantine empire is a niche within a niche.

    • @danielchequer5842
      @danielchequer5842 Před 4 lety +17

      I personally think the life of the ERE emperors is much more interesting than the life of most WRE emperors. Not only that, but biz aesthetics is waaay cooler too. Ppl underestimate how good looking and unique a show about the ERE could be

    • @kevinhayes6933
      @kevinhayes6933 Před 4 lety +2

      Mike Perry it would be grand indeed.the best thing about it it's real and did happen, imagine the intrude, back stabbing,jealousy, plots battles, affairs and the lust for power and gold. Make Dallas look like a Sunday pinic

    • @ceilingfangroyper7604
      @ceilingfangroyper7604 Před 2 lety +3

      Like most historical shows made today they’d probably corrupt the story, add extreme amounts of diversity in it, make good people seem bad I don’t know I just don’t trust major companies with the Roman empires legacy

    • @rickyyacine4818
      @rickyyacine4818 Před 2 lety +1

      @@EasternRomanHistory like Justinian the great or basil the 2nd personally I like alexios 1st

  • @SuperWalshBros
    @SuperWalshBros Před 3 lety +38

    Blessed John. If only he had lived longer!

  • @RealCrusadesHistory
    @RealCrusadesHistory Před 5 lety +50

    Good job ERE!

  • @entertainmentforthedead
    @entertainmentforthedead Před 3 lety +16

    best and most intriguing Empire in human history and way too underrated.

  • @VarangianOblast
    @VarangianOblast Před 4 lety +18

    He should serve as an example for most rulers of nowadays

  • @septimiusseverus343
    @septimiusseverus343 Před 2 lety +6

    John was one of the very best. My personal favourite of the Komnenian Big 3.

  • @johnrevo3178
    @johnrevo3178 Před 4 lety +21

    Nice account of the second emperor of the Comnenian dynasty, avoiding much of the usual Western misunderstandings. Consice, yet accurate and informative. Extra credit for the title of the channel, he was (much like his predecessors and successors) a Roman Emperor, ruling over the surviving Greek speaking Eastern part of the old Roman Empire.

    • @EasternRomanHistory
      @EasternRomanHistory  Před 4 lety +10

      Thank you very much. I had to do justice to one of my favourite emperors

  • @ezzovonachalm7534
    @ezzovonachalm7534 Před 3 lety +5

    Τhank You for the citation of Choniates who, in his description of the emperor reveals much more highly significative details than would emerge from an universitary 45 ' conference.

  • @emilioduarte7089
    @emilioduarte7089 Před 4 lety +24

    if only he had finished the conquest of Anatolia.... but then they would have to face the wrath of the mongol.

    • @nickpapadopoulos9978
      @nickpapadopoulos9978 Před 4 lety +20

      Knowing john the good's and his successors personalities the possibility of a mongol invasion would be avoided because there mongols had one golden rule when it came to diplomacy was not killing the diplomats!

    • @iDeathMaximuMII
      @iDeathMaximuMII Před 2 lety

      @@nickpapadopoulos9978 Yeah, for how barbaric the Mongols were. They had enough decency to treat envoys with incredible respect since they weren’t soldiers

    • @rickyyacine4818
      @rickyyacine4818 Před 10 měsíci

      Wait wait a sec if john restore Anatolia its actually not that bad the mongol will arrive in 1240s so by that time I think could have found away to sruvive although they could lose few areas in Anatolia

  • @savabout6487
    @savabout6487 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Of all the Byzantine Empererors who are Saints in the Orthodox Church, Constantine, and Justinian, it is confusing why John is not one. He seems to he the epitome of a virtuous Monarch. The king who cared for his people who fought for them through charity and military defense. His wife Irene is a saint.

  • @Diego-zz1df
    @Diego-zz1df Před rokem +4

    Why the hell aren't there more dedicated history books and biographies on the three main Komnenos emperors, especially about John II? There's only one short book I can find about him and very few about his father Alexios and his son Manuel.

  • @tacocruiser4238
    @tacocruiser4238 Před rokem +4

    There was a French king in the 14th century with the exact same name "John II The Good". He was captured by the English at the Battle of Poitiers during the 100 Years War and sold for a hefty ransom. I think the Byzantine version was much more deserving of the title "The Good" lol.

    • @EasternRomanHistory
      @EasternRomanHistory  Před rokem +2

      Indeed, John II of France was not the best king but had the misfortune of coming up against Edward III, one of England's greatest sovereigns. John II of Constantinople, was a consummate ruler in his own way though he fell short from being a great one.

  • @shadoweyes5808
    @shadoweyes5808 Před 3 lety +11

    His actual name translates into John The Beautiful and not John The Good.

  • @justjohn1121
    @justjohn1121 Před 4 lety +13

    Well done!
    So well done it makes me feel sadness for what could have been. The last chance of the Roman Empire I think. Tragic!
    John II is the who I use to reclaim the east in its entirety in Medieval:Total War 2, then I focus on the west.
    The possibilities with him and his dynasty! Had they not been killed...😢

    • @EasternRomanHistory
      @EasternRomanHistory  Před 4 lety +4

      It is tradgic in a way, especially considering how he died. Some question as to the true affectiveness of John's military campaigns, I am of the opinion that he was a success.

    • @rickyyacine4818
      @rickyyacine4818 Před 2 lety +1

      @@EasternRomanHistory if only did basil the 2nd strategy and cut the turk from the back the suljik turks would be surrounded by Byzantine manual would have easily task to removed them

  • @rogelioalonzo2911
    @rogelioalonzo2911 Před rokem +1

    you sir are the only man to cover this great man.

  • @AndreasFly007
    @AndreasFly007 Před 5 lety +7

    Great job! Keep it good man so excited to find new channels like yours

    • @EasternRomanHistory
      @EasternRomanHistory  Před 5 lety +1

      Thank you Andreas, glad you like it. Be sure to listen to my other content.

  • @histguy101
    @histguy101 Před 5 lety +8

    I just love your "prrrroper arrrristocratic" readings

    • @drakonos79
      @drakonos79 Před 2 lety

      in a way, it reminded me of what would happen if Peter Cushing ( star wars' Grand Moff Tarkin) was reading the histories.

  • @Jinseual
    @Jinseual Před 5 lety +1

    Good video!

  • @jonathanwick7948
    @jonathanwick7948 Před 3 lety +1

    I am Aulas. The video is very informative. Its going to be very helpful for my book. Thank you.

  • @user-kp9od1jn1z
    @user-kp9od1jn1z Před 4 měsíci +3

    Nikephoros “Gigachad”Bryennios the younger, refusing to make the conspiracy against John

  • @atrides7
    @atrides7 Před 4 lety +4

    Perfect videos keep working I am huge fun

  • @kevinhayes6933
    @kevinhayes6933 Před 4 lety +3

    Only recently came across your channel. Very well done ,my only complaint was , it wasn't long enough. 30 min would be great. Very, very well done👍

    • @EasternRomanHistory
      @EasternRomanHistory  Před 4 lety +5

      I actually have a 1 hour and 30 min discussion about John II which you can find here:
      czcams.com/video/elLlavHlxzE/video.html

  • @Kayla-dm8nr
    @Kayla-dm8nr Před 2 lety +3

    This is my ancestor!

  • @jpmisterioman
    @jpmisterioman Před 5 lety +3

    It would be nice to add the sources and bibliography into the description. Apart from that, good vídeo!

  • @ezzovonachalm7534
    @ezzovonachalm7534 Před 3 lety +3

    Thank You for the image of Haghia Sophia without .. minarets.

  • @aycemanm8151
    @aycemanm8151 Před rokem +1

    You need to have one dedicated to Manuel I his reign was a brilliant reign maybe not as good as John I but Manuel really was the last emperor to reign over the empire at its final peak.

  • @doylekitchen9795
    @doylekitchen9795 Před 2 lety +1

    You got to love Niketas Choniates, O City of Byzantium. Easy to read, which surprises me. Of course I am still working on it. Fascinating book.

    • @EasternRomanHistory
      @EasternRomanHistory  Před 2 lety +2

      Indeed, it is a delight to read and except for one paragraph of translation gobbledygook, it is well translated too. The history is generally up their as some of the best Byzantine histories ever written.

  • @williampaz2092
    @williampaz2092 Před 9 měsíci +1

    I have a very difficult time accepting that John “accidentally” grazed himself with a poisoned arrow. I have not researched this but I just don’t think he would have been that careless or would have needed a poisoned arrow to go hunting.

    • @mikehawk2003
      @mikehawk2003 Před 2 měsíci

      He cut himself while mounting the arrow on the bow, and he chose not to tend to the wound for days until it started to get infected.

    • @ezzovonachalm9815
      @ezzovonachalm9815 Před měsícem +1

      ​​​​​​@@mikehawk2003
      in this case it was not the poison that killed Ioannes Komnenos but a letal infectious complication of for days neglected wounds called "fasciitis necroticans" due to a combination of Staphylococcus aureus and anaerobe microbes: they cause a letal septicemia ( infection of the blood).
      I know this dangerous form of neglected wounds because my agnatic great uncle did not care about an accidental wound of his left thumb.
      Eirene, the blond wife of Iōannes was an hungarian cousine of mine called Piroska ( spell piróshka), the daughter of king Árpád Szent Lászlo (1077-1095) and of Adelheid von Rheinfelden,a daughter of Gegenkönig Rudolf von Rheinfelden and Adelaïde de Susa, the heir of the comté de Savoie.
      Eirenè is the name she assumed after her conversion from catholic to greek orthodoxy.

  • @rush4in
    @rush4in Před 5 lety +5

    Great video. You'd get a like for the EE music alone. :D

    • @EasternRomanHistory
      @EasternRomanHistory  Před 5 lety +3

      Thanks Rush4in, I intend to make it my go-to background score so stay tuned.

  • @djd770
    @djd770 Před měsícem +1

    Was the best of the Komnenoi a genius. His son Manuel was merely competent when the empire needed a genius. His death was a huge blow to Rome.

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 Před 3 lety

    Sounds like this Emperor was a good one. Nice job with the video.

  • @stratagos4610
    @stratagos4610 Před 3 lety +1

    a remarkable emperor

  • @user-tm8zs7ow5h
    @user-tm8zs7ow5h Před rokem +2

    The Marble Emperor ☦️.

  • @patricktully6719
    @patricktully6719 Před měsícem

    Are there any other videos about John the 2nd komnenos so I could learn more about him?

    • @EasternRomanHistory
      @EasternRomanHistory  Před měsícem

      I am glad you liked the video. It is a old one now.
      I mention a few things about John II here, czcams.com/video/X66SHY_4E6M/video.html but unfortunately, I have not had much a chance to do a very detailed video about him.

  • @constantinexii8182
    @constantinexii8182 Před 9 měsíci +2

    The greatest komnenian emperor

  • @rickyyacine4818
    @rickyyacine4818 Před 2 lety +1

    The komenos and parealogos till michael 8th was last and final hope for Byzantium 😢😢😢

  • @John-el.
    @John-el. Před 3 lety +3

    imagine to live in an era with a Roman Empire and a ''holy'' Roman empire

    • @John-el.
      @John-el. Před 2 lety

      @علي ياسر
      lol , that might be a recipe for world domination :)

    • @John-el.
      @John-el. Před 2 lety +1

      @علي ياسر oh then please tell me more about it how can i find more and in what version of islam is ​it in?
      but it's funny because in Greek Orthodox christianity there is a simmilar one about an Eastern Roman Emperor (John vatazes) who will retake constantinople and restore the lost legacy of Rome

    • @John-el.
      @John-el. Před 2 lety

      @علي ياسر lol both prophecies sounds like they have epic battles.
      thx for the info future allie!
      tho if this prophecies are to come true, I hope not forn much bloodshed in the second part

    • @John-el.
      @John-el. Před 2 lety

      @علي ياسر ye... fixed it

  • @stoneruler
    @stoneruler Před 2 měsíci

    God I can’t believe he died in such an accident.

  • @tanthedreamer
    @tanthedreamer Před 3 lety +1

    empire earth theme :)))

  • @izaya_253
    @izaya_253 Před 2 lety +1

    Allegedly.

  • @andrei-mn2nc
    @andrei-mn2nc Před 7 měsíci

    Y esto lo dice un rumano ,porque no se ,pero nosotros los rumanos hemos sido. Bizance apree Bizance. ,,cuando todo esto ha desaparecido,antes que aparecer algun poder ruso, toda la Iglesia Ortodoxa ha sido respaldada por los Principes Rumanos, desde el Monte Athos hasta el Momte Sinai, y es que se llaman principes porque el titulo era Domn, como los imperadores romanos,porque el titulo de rey lo daba el papá,pero a nosotros ne daba igual, asi ha sido la edad media,

  • @wirhymes420
    @wirhymes420 Před 3 měsíci

    I have heard there is a chance Anna did not try to get her husband on the throne

    • @EasternRomanHistory
      @EasternRomanHistory  Před 3 měsíci

      This is something that has been argued by Leonora Neville since only Choniates mentions her participation in the coup but a general problem is that both Choniates and Cinnamus wrote many decades after these events and we don't have the origin source they based their accounts on. So any challenge to the sources in this way has to also be challenged.

    • @wirhymes420
      @wirhymes420 Před 3 měsíci

      @@EasternRomanHistory Kind of unclear exactly what happened but Leonora has done some good research for sure. Wish we had more sources.

  • @mylifeisgoodgg
    @mylifeisgoodgg Před 5 lety +1

    Was he greeck?

    • @EasternRomanHistory
      @EasternRomanHistory  Před 5 lety +15

      He would probably tell you that he was a Roman. His family hailed from Anatolia and he was born in the palace in Constantinople. One ruler that was most certainly a Greek was Irene of Athens, you can guess where she came from.

    • @dimitriosvlissides5781
      @dimitriosvlissides5781 Před 5 lety +3

      In short yes

    • @mylifeisgoodgg
      @mylifeisgoodgg Před 5 lety +1

      @@dimitriosvlissides5781 john komnenos was greeck in my opinion like natinonality

    • @mylifeisgoodgg
      @mylifeisgoodgg Před 5 lety +1

      @@EasternRomanHistory he was born in comni in trache and in my opinion he was greeck_armenian .you can find a manufract writen in koine greeck where you can see that john is greeck

    • @mylifeisgoodgg
      @mylifeisgoodgg Před 5 lety +1

      @@EasternRomanHistory john was grecko armenian like in origin but roman in name

  • @mylifeisgoodgg
    @mylifeisgoodgg Před 5 lety +4

    He was greeck

    • @adrianocarvalho6113
      @adrianocarvalho6113 Před 3 lety +6

      He was roman

    • @alexanderkordas682
      @alexanderkordas682 Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@adrianocarvalho6113Same thing, at least since the 7th century AD.

    • @adrianocarvalho6113
      @adrianocarvalho6113 Před 3 měsíci

      @@alexanderkordas682 Hellenes were considered pagans (therefore "bad people") by the "byzantines"(romans).

  • @rickyyacine4818
    @rickyyacine4818 Před 2 lety

    The real question is : manual his son sound black but john wife is white and john himself white is he adopted ? 🤔🤔🤔🤔

    • @user-ee6ee3rd6f
      @user-ee6ee3rd6f Před 11 měsíci +2

      Well ethnically speaking the Komnenos dynasty was greek which means olive skinned. John was described as really ugly btw. Now dark skin is common in byzantine iconography. All of our icons in Greece portray the saints, Jesus, Mary as olive skinned, Mediterranean

    • @rickyyacine4818
      @rickyyacine4818 Před 10 měsíci

      @@user-ee6ee3rd6f well that make sense

    • @konstantinriumin2657
      @konstantinriumin2657 Před 10 měsíci

      John was noted for being dark skinned. In fact he was considered physically ugly for having dark skin, dark hair and brown eyes

    • @hachibidelta4237
      @hachibidelta4237 Před 9 měsíci

      He is dark skinned because he spent most of his time on campaign, and well Greek arent exactly fair skinned compared to northern European. Manuel is half Hungarian, but probably inherited his father skin tone.