Sony A7C Has 1 Devastating Flaw: 2 Minor Ones
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- čas přidán 6. 10. 2020
- Oh Sony A7C, what could have been. If Sony put in just the smallest bit of effort to make this camera reach it's potential, it would have been the best camera for youtubers. But they held back, I guess we'll see the features in the A7C II. Let's talk about the deal breaker, and a couple minor flaws to what otherwise is a great little camera!
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Here's that video from my man The Everything Man czcams.com/video/PeSijriX7Nw/video.html&t=
You know what all the canon fan boys hate hate so much. Is almost all videos I watch be it car CZcams channels, exploration channels, haunted location videos, podcast channels etc 90% of them use Sony cameras. The significant majority use the A7III or the RX100 series like I have albeit less commonly. The next most common cameras I see are Panasonic either the GH5 or S1H!. I literally never never see people using canon cameras to film CZcams stuff even extremely high end, production company type videos and short films!. I only ever see a tiny number of channels using like the C200, C300 maybe 2%!. Surely that speaks for itself Sony is absolutely dominating in the video mirrorless world!. Canon fan boys obviously go mental when I mention this lol.
Catalyst Browse sounds so weird. It feels like it should be Catalyst Browser. It’s very upsetting.
Hey i have the same cam mirror also i made a review on it bc they said they would give me something free but they never did
Here again for the laughs to get through the day my friend.
I’ve noticed that other youtubers never mention that converting that footage takes time ? Why ? They just talk about how glorious the stabe is but never mention it took 3 hours to get it there ? Why is it so hard to tell the truth on YT ?? Tech reviewers are such lying pieces of shit .. Casey your 1 in a million bro .✊🏼
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You have a gift, my friend. A strange gift, to be sure, but a gift nonetheless.
We are witnessing a person slowly being brainwashed by the lizard overlords
Sony photographers captured him last night. Let's all try to save him befote it's too late and he turns into a photographer
Noooo
@@Dar1usz and heavier lenses
Anyone know which date he gone for sony party ? i thought he will die together with last panasonic MFT 😂🤣
@@Dar1usz But its 2020. full frame is not big deal anymore
Awesome. I love how I smile and laugh throughout the vid. Thank you for being you. Awesome!!!
I really can't even watch the past few videos for insights the first 2 times I watch your vids. Awesome :-)
Your videos are pure comedy! Love them.
This is the most enjoyable review I've ever watched. Ever.
Thank you Camera Canada and Fat Earth Santa for making the only bright spot of 2020 possible - Kasey!!! 🎅 🙏🦖
Fat Earth Santa's a good guy :)
Always entertaining, engaging and laugh it loud funny at times when my partner’s asleep. :)
So between the a7c and the a7iii (currently on sale) which would you recommend? New to Sony ecosystem of cameras so would need to buy glass as well.
So which built in stabilisation is better? ZV1? or A7C? They both record gyro data. But does the ZV1 actually process it in camera? Or are they the same?
Thanks Casey - these videos I know are supposed to be light hearted but actually they are helpful.
As for the catalyst timings - I only need 5 - 6 seconds of stabalize here and there in what I do - saves me having to cart around a gimbal so I reckon it'll still work for me.
If I shoot using the default profile do you think catalyst browse will mess even that up for colour.
i'd suggest for your light need and usage that you shoot the clips that you know you'd want to stabilize in separate clips than the rest of your video , this way you end up only needing to use catalyst for those small clips so you won't ruin the colors of the full video
The A7SIII is sensational, and I'm glad you're aiming for that camera. My only gripe about your A7C review is about using a gimbal. That would remove your stabe problem with the A7C, your workflow issue with Catalyst, the problem of image/lens cropping, the problem of colour shifting, and compatibility issues with third party lenses, like your Laowa. Five problems solved by using a decent gimbal? A modern gimbal could also replace the tripod you're carrying anyway, and give you more cinematic options with perspective and programmed timelapse. I'm still wondering why you haven't explored a modern gimbal option from Camera Canada? Matti Happyboi uses them, why not the Kasey Pony of Hope? In all other respects the A7C footage, with both the Tamron and the 20mm 1.8, looks great. My gripe with the A7C is the price relative to performance, but what it does, it does really well, particularly with the improved Sony colour science and real-time tracking AF, and it's one of the best 24 megapixel stills cameras, too, which the A7SIII doesn't compete with.
When i BUY your Music can i use it in my Videos without claim? PLZ ANSWER U LAZY ******* :D I asked several Times per mail and YT and never get ans answer.
In Catalyst Browse you can set from the option which device the app should use for processing. Just check it’s set on your fastest gpu.
If you're willing to dive into the Sony Menu of PAIN you can manually set IBIS to the lens specifications eg 15mm The Laowa lenses have no chip or contacts to communicate with Sony (or any other) camera; so there's that.
What hardware specs in the PC you were exporting from?
Note that if you stabilize in the Catalyst browse app, you probably need to use faster shutter speed so that each frame doesn't have motion blur from your footsteps.
Also it crops in, so you loose some resolution :) especially if you're shooting 1080. So you'd have to do 4k and export video as 1080 to not lose quality.
He never uses ND filters and likes his Toneh. It’s safe to assume his shutter speeds are always quite fast outdoors.
I think you're confusing things here.
I'm not saying shutter speed causes quality loss. You would want different shutter speeds based on different situations.
Here i'm referring to two limitations of stabilizing footage with this approach:
1- You NEED a fast shutter speed. How fast? as fast as you can have the video without sudden motion blurs cause by abrupt movements. like foot steps. When you step there's a quick jitter, up down motion. This, on slower shutter speeds renders some motion blur. Once you have the motion blur in the pictures (the frames of the video) even when you stabilize them, the motion blur stays. So the video will be stable BUT every time you step, there's a motion blur that appears. I found an example on yt: czcams.com/video/eITYkg2qam4/video.html
2- Any post processing that stabilizes a video, will cause lose of resolution. So ideally you need higher resolution video to compensate for the lost resolution to meet your export resolution. Of course you can accept some loss and consider it just fine :) that's up to you.
Sd card slot on the left if genial imo. Way easier to change a card while on gimbal.
Genuine question. If you're using a manual focus old school lens with a modern Sony, don't you have to manually enter the focal length so the IBIS can work properly?
If so, why can't the camera use that info so the gyro data can be used correctly for catalyst?
You need to get onto the lizards about this, they're missing a trick.
About the crazy long render time for catalyst browse... Have you tried it with an AMD GPU instead? I read that catalyst browse runs on openCL so if you're on an Nvidia GPU it's going to be hella slow.
Can you tell the camera which focal length you lens is? Maybe then Catalyst will work. In Fujifilm cameras there is a setting where you can bank different focal lengths with a custom name and you tell your XT4 that. Then if you go to a non-electronic lens, it'll pick that option.
God can someone help me with this, I only wanted to buy this to use manual lenses with gyro stability
I like it everytime. What does it mean or what is the Good bye at every videos end? Can somebody explain it to me.... Sorry for my bad english...I am from germany. I look and hear to learn and to enjoy.
Any chance you’ll try the A7C on a gimbal?
That opening line on 2012 😂🤣
The viewfinder made me sell that quicker than I purchased it. despite the colours and the screen.
The browse thing was killing my PC, so don't get me started. :)
Feels like early days for the gyro-stabilisation. Bodes well for the future though, I hope processors will be powerful enough one day to get that stabilised in-camera!
@@Dar1usz I you guys are interested, you should check some of the external gyro-stabilisation tech. It's pretty amazing too, but definitely niche product.
How do you feel about the 20mm f1.8? I was considering this setup but given the cost of the lens the tamron 20mm 2.8 may be enough
Love the Sony lens. Tamron has noisy AF apparently, and isn't all that lighter for a T2.8.
It would be cool if you could import the gyro stabilization data into Premiere or DaVinci since Catalyst is taking too long and changing the colors.
06: 30 mins approx... Is there a way to manually enter Focal Distance for the IBIS when you are using such a lens ?
I had done that already, you still can't use Catalyst.
@@Dar1usz It has nothing to do with that, IBIS has to be off for Catalyst to work.
I think it depends on the computer you are using. without knowing your computer specs it's hard to judge how slow the software is.
edit: it is using gyro data, so it''s weird it's taking so long (it should be faster if anything than standard warp stabilizer. as it already has the data)
Camera Conspiracies also lost the Fuji video featuring Tatsuo Suzuki. That was one of the best lost video I have ever seen.
Honesty this is the best looking video you had in awhile i am going to have to buy the a7c
Will you try the canon C70?
canon flip screen always flips upside down when looking to screen from left side of camera
"I've only lost one video ever."
Are we counting the video that was lost when you used your phone the other day?
And gopro
Those are separate issues. Wonky battery dying on a 10 year old phone. Gopro being run by irresponsible surfers.
I was being facetiously technical.
Work like this doesn't require dual card slots. A lot (most?) of dual card cameras don't offer dual recording anyway.
Camera Conspiracies Lol...irresponsible surfers...classic!
@@kyleshearer1270 my new name should be *Facetiously Technical*
Would the A7c with a compact gimbal be good? Instead of shelling out for the A7s III because I still need to get a couple of lenses.
Same Q here, what did you end up doing?
hard to find a caned mirror
How is the name of the intro song?
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what are your pc specs?
I use dual card slots on long shoots. And I imagine dual recording is of interest if e.g. shooting video will talent, renhet lights etc. reshooting could waste money, time and be schedule hell. On no budget shoots (which is 99.99% of what I shoot) where no money is exchanging hands I typically don’t dual record.
Honestly I’m more afraid I’ll misplace gear or get robbed or something, my card error rate is like less than one card per 5 years, with no serious data loss. If a card or battery acts strange (e.g. flaky battery behavior, or card suddenly requires a repair upon insertion, I retire it).
Wow stabilization looked like a gopro after running through catalysts browse. Does anyone know if it works on any of the older cameras?
FX9 ZV1 A7C and I think RX1 as well.
@@markshirley01 ohhhh I see it's spurt of like the app for phones.
Funny. The Movie Edit Add-on for the iOS Sony App renders much, much quicker and does essentially the same gyro stabilization.
Does it take a lot of processing power? Sony will say yes same as how the new menu needs a new processor.
@@raminolta that's not really sarcasm when it's a fact. Sony way of crippling life uses crippled hardware even though they already have the newest in stock.
A9ii and a7rIV can't even get it and that's like cream of the crop camera from Sony released just a year ago. A7SII is like 5 years ago, so development is in between. They know they can include it but they don't want to. They want to release the next gen of a9 and a7r within 1-2 years. A7C that is released after a7siii? Screw that, let cripple it as well.
It was so messed up that I moved to Fuji from a6400. I was considering a7c but that a7c was crippled even worse than a6400's handling. I find there's no future in Sony until they refresh all their line up with new processor. I might reconsider getting FF if a7cII has front dial and new menu.
Urgent help before buying: Sony website say, gyro stabilization only works with E mount lenses, does that mean, any e mount manual focus lens will work too?
I tried with Laowa 15mm f2 and it didn't work. The lens needs electronic contacts I think. Tamron 17-28mm worked fine.
@@cameraconspiracies many many thanks.. so as I understand, some auto focus 3rd party work, some don't... and for manual lenses forget it. I only have samyang canon mount cine t stop lenses :( in India there are lot of limitations
Mirror flippy thing....Same on a bunch of Canons I own
When you find out this isn’t his main channel...😵
Yeah I was shocked recently as well, but I like this better. You can tell he pauses on the other channel when he’s about to say really messed up things, but this one is unfiltered, which I really enjoy!
Makes sense he run vegetable police channel for a few years already before starting camera conspiracies.
But what is the main channel??
Loved it 😂
Sony should make these features as a plug-in for the different NLEs.
2:33 Wait, so, Catalyst works best when you turn IBIS off ? ? 🤨 The best stabe is now gyro data only? Sounds like a board room meeting. 🔨
It does work with IBIS on too (gordon laing made a video showing all modes with and without) but it looks best when IBIS is off
Packing Less Well that’s exciting! Swap the sensor stabilization mechanism for a processor to perform the correction in-camera and we’ve got something. Cool channel btw (less really is more). I’ll check out Gordon’s review. Thanks.
@@drewhalton Thanks, yeah I agree, I hope sony fixes these nitpicks in the mark2
Lol there’s a tab that says Adjust color .. the exposure tab is in there. Try it with Slog2 +2 stops and then dial the exposure back a little in browse
You do that before you stabilize? For some reason it works fine now lol.
Camera Conspiracies yeah color first then stabe
I thought sonys 'active' stabilisation (on the zv1 and a7s3) was kind of gyro stabe in camera (by the way gyro stabe does work with IBIS on, just doesnt look as good see Gordon Laings video about it)
It doesn't look good at all with IBIS on, hence doesn't work lol.
Dude, the Magenta in this video it's doing its own thing...raising and levelling and raising again...WHY? "Oh God, why!?"
Let’s hope video editors incorporate the gyro data
Sounds like you need to start up Computer Conspiracies and find the best editing rig for catalyst.
Sony a7c can be fantastic camera, but it costs $3000 in my country, what is insane
USD? Wow
@@MrJed_s yeah exactly. There are high taxes in europe
Si vienes a Perú este año puedes comprarlo por 2000 solares con objetivo kit incluido.
The best thing is that IBIS is never off.
A7C when I saw it I laughed, for me looks like my a6300 with crappy IBIS ff sensor, better screen but not worth the upgrade. Paid 750$ new with selp1650 and I like it. Made me about 400$ with stocks. I will go for G9 and leica12-60 good idea for filming?
I'll die just to know what is he saying in the last of the video 😂
How does XT4 stabe compare to A7C in your humble opinion?
You'll find out next video :)
Camera Conspiracies Woohoo! What about the viltrox 56mm? Did they come up with the goods??
the fuji in the background with secret lens , has a bit to much letters imo i guess its the OLYMPUSSY
KC, you know Sony has no soul, you are dancing with the devil my friend.
Exactly be very afraid. All Have Sinned. God is Holy Holy Holy. Righteous Judge. Repent and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Curious, what computer are you using to render the stablization on catalyst browse that takes an hour for 5 minutes of footage? Would it be significantly reduced in time with a more powerful computer?
Always pick quality over speed. I have no idea what I'm talking about. Good luck with the chemo, my brother!
What are the squirrels doing at 2:00 AM? Turn up the ISO on an A7S3 and find out.
I need that Tony 2.8 lens.🤣🤣🤣
2 seconds plus 2 seconds is 15 seconds🤣🤣🤣 and lets not forget; "let's time it see that's a lot of time"
I love your humor. But it may have talked me out of any Sony at the present. Not sure if that was intended, but was the result, nonetheless.
I don't know... really tempted... but somehow feels way too expensive for what it is... :/
Almost $2700 CAD (with tax) for just the body only... and for what!?
Probably hard pass for now...
Ok so x-t4 or om1mkiii or a7c?
All have shortcomings, pick your poison as they say
Ive watched these videos for just over a year. Each time, I have to skip the intro music. If I don't, it gets lodged in my brain for days. "all i want is the perfect..." why is it so catchy?!
its almost like the people that make cameras dont actually use them and dont care to put in features everyone wants into one haha
Greatest title cards
Iphonedo loves you bro .
You should start a "Video Editing Computer Conspiracies" channel. A fast computer will solve some of these issues.
Keep it up. You're doing a great job fighting for common sense where you'd think common sense belongs, haha. This is an uphill battle in the moronic world of digital cameras where the only added feature with every new release is a higher sticker price with a cripple hammer blow. Unending pursuit for usability among numskulls who design and seemingly never use own products. So don't stop, ever. You hear me?!
Awesome.......
I like the value proposition of the A7c. I'm just holding out for a better price on it.
Me too, I’m sure it’s gonna be $1500 for the holidays
Perfection is indeed a harsh mistress on a child's playground.
jitter bug dancing in the street lmfaooooo
Have you try final cut pro?. It seem to use gyro data too.
Flippy screen, that's 2 seconds... card on the wrong side, that's another 2 seconds... that's 15 seconds right there! I think you've been to the Chris Nichols school of conversion LOL
Привет 👋 Я пользуюсь Sony a7c уже очень давно и около 80% моих кадров стабилизируются в Catalyst. Ты не прав в том, что говоришь. Для стабилизации в Catalyst не мешает матричная стабилизация. У меня были объективы Tamron без оптической стабилизации и я отлично стабилизировал в Catalyst при съёмке со включенной стабилизацией на сенсоре. И вот у меня появился новый Sony Zeiss 16-35/4 с оптической стабилизацией и вот Catalyst перестал стабилизировать. И я понял. Тройной стабилизации не будет. Нужно выбрать что-то одно.
1. Оптическая + Матричная
2. Оптическая + Catalyst
3. Матрица + Catalyst
Всё просто
Sony should include the catalyst directly into the camera! I am pretty sure it would be possible as Action cameras are using a similar stabilization method directly into the camera.
If you already have the a7iii you wouldn't ungrade to the a7c right?
he upgrades to a7sIII
Thanh Thanh can't afford it bro lol
@@maddenfan6683 gypro stablization is good +flip screen +no overheat is necessary for vblog.
it's worthy for ungrade. depend on price. In US A7C cheaper than A73, 200USD. In my country, A7C's more expense than A73. I wait A7C sell off.
This guy is hilarious.
Cool
May i suggest the Sony 16-35 t4 oss? :D
well, at least the sd card slot is not on the battery compartment lol
Sony can do it in the camera, like gopro doet it
Gopro isnt a full frame sensor. A7siii has a better chance but catalyst browse has no chance on this old processor.
Kasey’s video editing rig cant handle it -> not sure if an old processor can lmao
TRNDSTTRS exactly
Jordan JK Koman just realized the guy was Canadian and probably only commented for engagement/seo. Checked out his channel and he probably has no idea/care about cameras 😂
Just got my hand with ZV-1 and gyro data works great. Just need to plug a macro and leave the PC on overnight and 3 hours long footages just readily stabilize to edit the next day. Not an issue for me as I don't edit at night.
So all this issues are belong the Sony Catalyst Browse. Not from the Sony A7C
I need you to review the Sony A7Riii...which I believe is the perfect camera. My name is Toneh.
This is the first time that I have listened to an episode while shaving 😂 I laughed so hard that I now look like Hitler ‼️❤️💪
07:54 I'll quote you on that... 😀
I am scared to lose his attention mid way of the video because then I lose track of the story he started with . Love from India lol
Forget the crop, the stabe, the autofocus...The one thing I hate about vlogging is that we actually have to talk INTO a camera that we own and spent good money on. That's Bullshit. We should all have someone do the vlog for us on someone else's camera.
I have to tell you that these, days computers no longer run on steam power, why we have even past that diesel engine computers time zone. May help with the rendering times on that coal powered PC for something a little newer!!