After years of using a-different-notation-program-named-after-a-composer, I'm really enjoying my time learning Dorico. Each version brings over more great features that makes writing and engraving easier and faster, and these instructional videos are great!
I absolutely loved this content format. Would love to see you do a similar thing with strings and other instruments. Seeing the 'idealised' workflow executed in realtime is super helpful so I know what's technically possible and what to aim at. Plus it has that jaw drop factor - bravo!
These are ALWAYS excellent. Jon, you and the rest of the team are incredible. The biggest take-away for me, is not just that Dorico is fast (which I've known for a LONG time now), but just how well thought through the application is. You guys are real rock stars!!!
HelloJohn, I do not know if I have that level of focus which you demonstrated in the “drum part in a minute” and that alone impresses me. I just wanted to thank you for your last Discover Dorico session where you showed me ways of using insert mode to double or half the notes values in whole themes or motifs (large groups of notes) while maintaining the relative relationships between the notes. In Sibelius you have to use a plug in for that function and I had always wondered how you do that in Dorico. The other thing that was very cool was when you showed the use of lock durations to respell then pitches on a motif or group of notes. Both these items have become exceptionally useful things to learn and incorporate into my work flow and enabled me to understand more why these commands (Insert mode and lock durations) actually exist in Dorico. There are some similar items in this chapter of Discover Dorico. For me one of the most important tips was the export and import drum kit and the live demonstration of the use of the quite remarkable Library features and importing and exporting of various features from one file to another. I was aware this was possible, but it is nice to see it all in action on specific examples and needs. I know there are a lot of ways of using Dorico in this way that can very much help the development my score presentation style. Thank you again and your support for the Dorico community which is quite remarkable. Warmest, Paul
If possible in the future I would love to see a full detailed video of connecting and mapping superior drummer 3 with the Dorico 5 with setting kit, map and playback template especially with kit that uses brash swirls and notating brush snare swirls 🙏🙏🙏 thank you for great content and support 👏👏👏
15:56 John adds sim. to his slash region. Following along in the new 4.3.11 version, playing techniques are now hidden in slash regions by default! Go to the Properties pane for the slash region and activate "Show other voices" to make the sim. marking appear.
Mark, thanks so much for this info; I was getting frustrated trying to figure out why it wasn't working. I thought maybe it was because he's using a Mac and I'm using a Windows PC, lol. Glad I started reading through the comments! Did you find that little tidbit in the manual?
@@OktoberDude Nope - just trial and error along with some Google searching! John's webcasts are so brilliant, but of course are vulnerable to falling behind the current state of the software. One tip I've been given is to treat Daniel Spreadbury's release notes for each version as valuable new pages of the manual. They are written in an equally clear and detailed style.
As a professional drummer, I've been waiting for a simple program that allow me to write down the simple but necessary articulations I need on my scores (open/closed hi-hat, ghost-note, etc) and have them played back properly. After numerous attempts with more known softwares (almost all of them), I had given up entirely on the idea of writing my drum charts on *any* software, but always thought, how to professional drumset engravers do it?!! They must use Dorico apparently. Numerous demands have been made to get those basic articulations symbols added to major softwares and are always met with the same answer : "we adhered to one of the popular standards" - except that, right now, there is only *one* standard in drumset notation and we have to stop staying there are many!!! I may had seen a single score with the open hat on the first space in 18 years of playing. All of the published drum scores I know use the same standard. There really isn't more than one - and tbh the "popular standard" used by most big software is none other than an half-assed excuse for lazy programming. How come the drum community do NOT know about this?! People still recommend MuseScore of Finale over this. We must spread the word!!!
22:00 when I OPTION COMMAND UP, I'm not offered slash noteheads. It adjusts to a triangle notehead in my drum staff. How do I access the slash noteheads?
Simply select notes (without insert mode engaged, of course) and press the dot. That's all! Daniel demonstrated this before Dorico 1 was out and it's a game changer ;-)
Hello!! Thank you very much for this video, this is gold fo me. At 16:25 approx you place a sim. notation above slashes, as a playing technique. I'm trying this on my dorico project and the playing technique never appears. Am I doing something wrong? Thank you very much in advance!
Excellent video! What was the short cut to select a few bars in the bass and flip the quarter notes into dotted quarters and eighths? That's pretty neat!
Just select the notes and press period/full stop. Dorico dots the first one and then because the second note has already changed length it doesn't change it again. Then it dots the third, not the fourth etc. You'll get different results if you have Insert mode on - try it!
In Setup mode in the Edit Percussion Kit dialog you can assign a drum to a staff position. For playback that drum (and its specific techniques) use a Percussion Map (Library < Percussion Maps) so that Dorico knows which note should be played for each drum and technique. It's all setup for you for standard kits so you can have a look at those and then edit if you want to make your own.
If it was a one-minute video you'd need to stop it quite often to find out what I did. So I thought it best to explain, and then show it in one minute at 29:05 (time link in the description).
@@dorico Ah, fair enough. Dorico doesn't ever play sound on this laptop so I figured I'd just watch a "How to" video and play around soundless until I got back home and could try what I'd learned on the PC that Dorico works on.
Aaaaany clue why I can input notes on any staff except drums? I can use the arrows and enter with "Y" and I can press letters, but MIDI keyboard doesn't work when writing for the drums. And when I add notes, only one instrument is played depending on the VST I use.
You can use a MIDI keyboard - there are some Preferences for how the MIDI keyboard will respond e.g. by playing 'F' for a bass drum note or C (two octaves below middle C) etc but either method is possible.
Think I will stick with StaffPad - like most Notation software this far too much to remember just to get the notes on the page. Kills creativity but guess ok for producing a ‘MMS’ for publication.
I want to use Staff Pad for the same reason but I find my creativity is killed in Staffpad when it fails to recognize my note input. When the note recognition algorithms get lost in the process I start pulling my hair out. I wanted to use Staffpad when I get overwhelmed with Dorico but find the delays in the note entry system were worse to deal with. Plus I also edit my music and change it a lot after I input notes and I find Staffpad is very poor for editing at a rhythmic level. I really wish the developers of Staffpad would come up with an alternative method of note input which allows you to selected a rhythmic value with the finger of one hand while you tap in notes with the pencil on the staff. It would be great if you could rhythmically edit a note or group of notes in this way. There is room in the interface for a pallet on the lower edge of the screen so I am surprised that something like this does not already exist. It is just so frustrating when things work well in staffpad on moment and are hopeless the next.
We have various people answer questions here. This drum video is by John, but other videos are by Anthony or Markus and other members of the team are also on Facebook or the Forum
No, no, no! Do this: 1. Go purchase several drum kit / trap books from Hal Leonard and MEL BAY. 2. Show you can copy the drum kit scores that match those-exactly! Why? Because this is (generally) standard for most students. Guitar? No. Bass? No. Etc. Why? This is not what a typical drum student sees. As such, it is a waste of time to say one word about this. Think of it this way: If the majority of drum books are written a certain way (Ref. Hal Leonard and MEL BAY), why are we having to change settings? That is outrageous! - Open Dorico - Select New Project - Name Project - Select Drum Kit Project - Set Time Signature and Tempo Done All else is (generally) standard for a drum set! Drum Kit > Snare > Stems up? No! This is standard. It better do this from the most beginning. E.g., feet stems (kick and pedal hi-hat) are down. All else is up.
John and Dorico's development team have given me back the desire to learn how to use another musical notation program. ❤
After years of using a-different-notation-program-named-after-a-composer, I'm really enjoying my time learning Dorico. Each version brings over more great features that makes writing and engraving easier and faster, and these instructional videos are great!
I absolutely loved this content format. Would love to see you do a similar thing with strings and other instruments. Seeing the 'idealised' workflow executed in realtime is super helpful so I know what's technically possible and what to aim at. Plus it has that jaw drop factor - bravo!
These are ALWAYS excellent. Jon, you and the rest of the team are incredible. The biggest take-away for me, is not just that Dorico is fast (which I've known for a LONG time now), but just how well thought through the application is. You guys are real rock stars!!!
Thanks Robby - and keep up the podcast! (I also use a trackpad and trackball at the same time - one in each hand. #divideandconquer)
@@dorico I think you have me confused..... I don't have a podcast, but now I am intrigued. Is there a podcast about Dorico?Please share if there is.
@@Flamdragz oops sorry! Don't listen to a podcast while answering messages it seems. I meant Robby Burns - massive apologies! www.robbyburns.com/ :)
This video was so incredibly helpful. I’ve been with Dorico for about 4 years now and drum parts have always given me trouble.
HelloJohn, I do not know if I have that level of focus which you demonstrated in the “drum part in a minute” and that alone impresses me. I just wanted to thank you for your last Discover Dorico session where you showed me ways of using insert mode to double or half the notes values in whole themes or motifs (large groups of notes) while maintaining the relative relationships between the notes. In Sibelius you have to use a plug in for that function and I had always wondered how you do that in Dorico. The other thing that was very cool was when you showed the use of lock durations to respell then pitches on a motif or group of notes. Both these items have become exceptionally useful things to learn and incorporate into my work flow and enabled me to understand more why these commands (Insert mode and lock durations) actually exist in Dorico. There are some similar items in this chapter of Discover Dorico. For me one of the most important tips was the export and import drum kit and the live demonstration of the use of the quite remarkable Library features and importing and exporting of various features from one file to another. I was aware this was possible, but it is nice to see it all in action on specific examples and needs. I know there are a lot of ways of using Dorico in this way that can very much help the development my score presentation style. Thank you again and your support for the Dorico community which is quite remarkable. Warmest, Paul
Brilliant demonstration !
Excellent, John!!!
Thank you, this is perfect, love your lessons. I'm totally amazed by Dorico, so much ahead of his time.
If possible in the future I would love to see a full detailed video of connecting and mapping superior drummer 3 with the Dorico 5 with setting kit, map and playback template especially with kit that uses brash swirls and notating brush snare swirls 🙏🙏🙏 thank you for great content and support 👏👏👏
Excellent, thanks so much Jon!
15:56 John adds sim. to his slash region. Following along in the new 4.3.11 version, playing techniques are now hidden in slash regions by default! Go to the Properties pane for the slash region and activate "Show other voices" to make the sim. marking appear.
Mark, thanks so much for this info; I was getting frustrated trying to figure out why it wasn't working. I thought maybe it was because he's using a Mac and I'm using a Windows PC, lol. Glad I started reading through the comments! Did you find that little tidbit in the manual?
@@OktoberDude Nope - just trial and error along with some Google searching! John's webcasts are so brilliant, but of course are vulnerable to falling behind the current state of the software. One tip I've been given is to treat Daniel Spreadbury's release notes for each version as valuable new pages of the manual. They are written in an equally clear and detailed style.
As a professional drummer, I've been waiting for a simple program that allow me to write down the simple but necessary articulations I need on my scores (open/closed hi-hat, ghost-note, etc) and have them played back properly. After numerous attempts with more known softwares (almost all of them), I had given up entirely on the idea of writing my drum charts on *any* software, but always thought, how to professional drumset engravers do it?!! They must use Dorico apparently. Numerous demands have been made to get those basic articulations symbols added to major softwares and are always met with the same answer : "we adhered to one of the popular standards" - except that, right now, there is only *one* standard in drumset notation and we have to stop staying there are many!!! I may had seen a single score with the open hat on the first space in 18 years of playing. All of the published drum scores I know use the same standard. There really isn't more than one - and tbh the "popular standard" used by most big software is none other than an half-assed excuse for lazy programming. How come the drum community do NOT know about this?! People still recommend MuseScore of Finale over this. We must spread the word!!!
Please spread the word!
Thank you very much, John!!! 🙂
Brilliant. Thank you.
What an extraordinary piece of software! 💕Shame playback is so bugged....
22:00 when I OPTION COMMAND UP, I'm not offered slash noteheads. It adjusts to a triangle notehead in my drum staff. How do I access the slash noteheads?
Found it. I needed to edit my percussion kit as explained at 9:40
What did you do at ~@5:16 to turn the quarters into dotted quarter+8th?
Simply select notes (without insert mode engaged, of course) and press the dot. That's all! Daniel demonstrated this before Dorico 1 was out and it's a game changer ;-)
Hello!! Thank you very much for this video, this is gold fo me. At 16:25 approx you place a sim. notation above slashes, as a playing technique. I'm trying this on my dorico project and the playing technique never appears. Am I doing something wrong? Thank you very much in advance!
It's a playing technique that I had already created for this purpose, I think I mention it earlier in the video, sorry if not.
Hi, I recently bought Dorico 4, I would like to know how to make ghost notes for writing and playing drums. Thank you!
Excellent video! What was the short cut to select a few bars in the bass and flip the quarter notes into dotted quarters and eighths? That's pretty neat!
Just select the notes and press period/full stop. Dorico dots the first one and then because the second note has already changed length it doesn't change it again. Then it dots the third, not the fourth etc. You'll get different results if you have Insert mode on - try it!
Salve, ho da poco acquistato Dorico 4, gradirei sapere come realizzare le ghost notes per la batteria in scrittura e riproduzione. Grazie!
How does one set up bass drum and cymbals on one part?! Its a nightmare!
Add a drum kit and they are both already there?
How can I assign what appears in the sheet music to which note the note plays on the drum instrument?
In Setup mode in the Edit Percussion Kit dialog you can assign a drum to a staff position. For playback that drum (and its specific techniques) use a Percussion Map (Library < Percussion Maps) so that Dorico knows which note should be played for each drum and technique. It's all setup for you for standard kits so you can have a look at those and then edit if you want to make your own.
@@doricoThe Edit Percussion Kit menu item is there, but it is not clickable, when I click on it, nothing happens, it does not continue.
I do think that a title of "Drums in One Minute" for a video that's forty-five minutes long says quite a lot.
If it was a one-minute video you'd need to stop it quite often to find out what I did. So I thought it best to explain, and then show it in one minute at 29:05 (time link in the description).
@@dorico Ah, fair enough. Dorico doesn't ever play sound on this laptop so I figured I'd just watch a "How to" video and play around soundless until I got back home and could try what I'd learned on the PC that Dorico works on.
Aaaaany clue why I can input notes on any staff except drums? I can use the arrows and enter with "Y" and I can press letters, but MIDI keyboard doesn't work when writing for the drums. And when I add notes, only one instrument is played depending on the VST I use.
You can use a MIDI keyboard - there are some Preferences for how the MIDI keyboard will respond e.g. by playing 'F' for a bass drum note or C (two octaves below middle C) etc but either method is possible.
Why Dorico is not playing laissez vibrer during playback?
It doesn't play them automatically (maybe one day) but you can extend the length of notes for playback in the key editor.
please bring back the diamond view
Think I will stick with StaffPad - like most Notation software this far too much to remember just to get the notes on the page. Kills creativity but guess ok for producing a ‘MMS’ for publication.
I want to use Staff Pad for the same reason but I find my creativity is killed in Staffpad when it fails to recognize my note input. When the note recognition algorithms get lost in the process I start pulling my hair out. I wanted to use Staffpad when I get overwhelmed with Dorico but find the delays in the note entry system were worse to deal with. Plus I also edit my music and change it a lot after I input notes and I find Staffpad is very poor for editing at a rhythmic level. I really wish the developers of Staffpad would come up with an alternative method of note input which allows you to selected a rhythmic value with the finger of one hand while you tap in notes with the pencil on the staff. It would be great if you could rhythmically edit a note or group of notes in this way. There is room in the interface for a pallet on the lower edge of the screen so I am surprised that something like this does not already exist. It is just so frustrating when things work well in staffpad on moment and are hopeless the next.
What's your name so I can find you in the Dorico forum?
We have various people answer questions here. This drum video is by John, but other videos are by Anthony or Markus and other members of the team are also on Facebook or the Forum
@@dorico I have watched this and John's video about big band... Both are EXCELLENT. Get that guy a pay raise!!! Lol
*rewinds ten times to see which drum kit he is click on*
Let me know if you need more help - discoverdorico@steinberg.de
No, no, no!
Do this:
1. Go purchase several drum kit / trap books from Hal Leonard and MEL BAY.
2. Show you can copy the drum kit scores that match those-exactly! Why? Because this is (generally) standard for most students.
Guitar? No. Bass? No. Etc. Why? This is not what a typical drum student sees. As such, it is a waste of time to say one word about this.
Think of it this way: If the majority of drum books are written a certain way (Ref. Hal Leonard and MEL BAY), why are we having to change settings? That is outrageous!
- Open Dorico
- Select New Project
- Name Project
- Select Drum Kit Project
- Set Time Signature and Tempo
Done
All else is (generally) standard for a drum set!
Drum Kit > Snare > Stems up? No! This is standard. It better do this from the most beginning. E.g., feet stems (kick and pedal hi-hat) are down. All else is up.
Ha - a drum standard? There's no such thing :) Send some drum chart examples and I'll do a session on how to create those for you.
Supersonic
This is definitely not one minute lol
Oh it is - the explanation takes longer, but the timed section on how to input those bars only takes 59 seconds!