Guy, I thought you might be tucked up cuddling two or three hot-water bottles. Thank goodness all is well... damn it’s quiet without your antics of joyful moments. Cheers from nz 👍👍👍
I think one of the best things about Dorico is that it doesn't force you to put in a time signature, key signature or tempo to start writing. You can just... write. As a modern classical composer, this is CRUCIAL to not unduly influencing my works to be in 4/4 (Sibelius) crotchet=120bpm (finale). You'd be surprised how many of my first compositions were in 4/4 simply because thats what came with the template in Sibelius...
9:26 "Essentially what you have going on here looks remarkably like--um... uh... a... DAW... um, editing thingy" 🤣🤣 The man is brilliant yet sometimes the familiar odd word escapes him... I'm so glad it isn't just me! Guy, know what we love about you most? ZERO arrogance. ❤ 😉
Yes to everything you're saying here. I appreciate somebody just straight out saying that Avid dropped the ball when they dropped the development team. And we all benefited when DS and the crew started from scratch to create Dorico. I know a lot of us miss your friendly videos. I hope the score work you're doing is going well. See you back here soon!
Dorico is so much better than Sibelius. But I actually prefer MuseScore to both. MuseScore is just the most intuitive score writer I've ever used (and I've tried most of them). Not to mention in the next update it's getting VST support and is becoming its own DAW, still with it's incredible notation programming built in. All for free! Anyway, thanks for the rundown, Guy! Your videos and music are amazing! :)
Oh lord, Another piece of software that makes me excited about how easy it to make music nowadays. But i'm only a year into that topic and its still so much to learn. Not to mention the money i need to work for, in order to be able to buy all the stuff i need, before buying this software. Well, i'm just turning 31 in a week, so hopefully theres still enough time to get there. But thanks for showing Dorico and expanding my wishlist of useful things ;-) Cheers!
Being a big fan of yours and seeing you using Dorico I couldn't help myself posting my very first comment :) I've been using Dorico for two months now and I couldn't never go back to the other notation software. Your presentation was excellent.
I started the trial version of Pro last week. Your video has really helped me get started in learning it. Your channel is an absolute wealth of knowledge. Fun, clear and so well presented!
Exactly what we needed! What to click, how to input, what keyboard shortcuts we need (that's HUGE). This is brilliant, thank you. Definitely going back over this video with a notebook. I just needed a push in the right direction. 👍🏼❤
This actually influenced me to switch from Finale to Dorico. I've been looking for something like this for years now and I'm surprised I haven't heard of this before now
I made the move too. Started with Finale in the early nineties and moved over to Sibelius in 2005 when Finale started to annoy and then ditched Sibelius in October 2019 to move over to Dorico. A truly exceptional piece of notation software which perfectly complements my DAW of choice, Logic Pro X. It is also worth subscribing to the Dorico youtube channel as they have monthly tutorial videos.
Guy, watched your video last night. I bought Dorico several years ago, and never really mastered it. I’ve just watched this introduction video, and you explain it really well. Thank you. I’ve just had a go playing a tune to score. I’m just learning Piano, been playing guitar for 55 years, and bass for 20 years.
Rumor has it Musescore is coming out with a vst-compatible version sometime within the next couple months, and screenshots of the interface are just gorgeous
Have been using it for years now and watched it grow like a toddler becoming a teen. The team really have produced a masterpiece due partly to their untiring interaction with users through forums such as the Dorico users group on Facebook, which is such a valuable source of info when learning it. When I first learned how to swap the annoying ff default beep to a click it was as if my child had just won the sack race on his first school sports day - I was bursting with joy. It puzzles me however, why the default metronome click is still this awful sound from the days of table tennis video machines in pubs in the 80s. A well deserved plug for a great piece of software from Guy.
Bought Dorico half price at Christmas but haven't used it properly yet, but now you convinced me to buy the Streamdeck i'm eager to get at it. Also the Steamdeck has conrol for Cubase and Nuendo for free, another bonus. Just about to buy the Dorico set from NYC. Many thanks for your enthusiastic CZcams tutorials.
being a disabled artist sadly not in my budget I'm just stuck with musescore, however I sure do appreciate these videos I love to learn new things thank you for taking the time to share.
Switched to Dorico back in 2019, in my first year of university. I learned by forcing myself to use the trial version to complete a short assignment, and then became impressed enough to buy Dorico Pro. I've never looked back since :)
You must have been reading my mind Guy! I too have had Dorico installed but have persevered with Sibelius. This video popped up while I was watching another Dorico tutorial. Time to make the shift 😬
It's a while since we could enjoy news from Guy. Inspired by the outdoors and incars efforts, I take the freedom to suggest some locations that could inspire to new and unexplored fields. 1: Diving from a cliff on a hang glider. 2: While being abducted by aliens. 3: around midnight at a haunted grave yard. With a laptop and keyboard always at hand, these options are certainly worth a try. I can hardly wait. (Specially the part at my third suggestion, when opening with "Hello everybody")
As usual a great video - I have tried all these Click This - Find That - Learn - Learn - Learn software and found that you can’t beat pen and paper - or these days StaffPad. The major fault of this type of application is you have to learn it - I find that gets in the way of creating music.
I'm not a composer by any means and I've been intimidated by sheet music as I didn't learn it growing up, but seeing how Dorico works in those 5 minutes clicked for how I make music and it looks like fun. I'm going to try this out this summer. :)
Very useful video!! I’ve used Dorico for some time in the past but always slow and in a wrong way, especially for notes input. This video really helped me to understand how to get in the process, which is very different from basically exploring functions and features.
It's fun to watch Mr. Michelmore talk. Not only the jokes but the funny accent... One "quaver" tho: it's still dots on a staff, a system created in the Dark Ages by, and I should add celibate, monks.
Hi Guy ....a great video as always and I'm a subscriber to your Channel .....I'm semi-retired (69 ) and though I play drums and acoustic/electric guitar with a lil bit of tinkling on a synth keyboard and know how to record, edit and mix on DAWS ( Cubase being my favourite DAW of choice ) , I have always wanted to be able to read/write and understand music notation, but the way it has always been presented / taught to me , made me run a mile. I have never used SIBELIUS and perhaps never will , so what the DORICO software has opened up to me - and as you said , we've been looking the wrong way ......why can't we make our score writing software more like a DAW - is to present in a very easy to understand graphical user interface window ( GUI ), a workflow , that is easy to grasp and has given me a greater understanding how music notation works , allowing me to write simple musical scores and read them - without the steep learning curve !!!!!!!!!! 😃
I absolutely love Dorico. I moved over from Sibelius about 18 months ago, and it's fabulous. My favourite thing about it is that the scores look good without having to spend time faffing around. I used to spend hours in Sibelius just getting choral scores to look decent. Dorico gets it 99.5% right with no editing at all! Pet peeve: why did they choose the number shortcuts for note names? 18 months on, and I still go the wrong way every time!
I've owned Dorico since the first version (I was using Sibelius for about 20 years before that) but I didn't seriously start looking at it until Version 2 (when they introduced video import and the hit point calculator). I found that for me the best way to learn it at the time was to simply dive in and use it on an actual film project... and I did actually pick it up pretty quickly that way. :)
Sounds like an exciting project you've got Guy. Hope you have some time to dive in to Dorico a bit further once you've met your deadline and share your feedback on the project work. Good luck!
0:59 I remember having this discussion as a young lad in the Netherlands. Especially the parents of my generation still knew it as a keyboard. We now call a computerkeyboard a toetsenbord and a musical keyboard a keyboard. That's the handy bit of having import words that literally mean the same: you can use the import word for the alternate meaning. But since I'm communicating in English now: computerkeyboard and musical keyboard. Or musickeyboard. That's the difference.
Did you know that from version 5 on Studio One has an automatic notation output now? Using Presonus Notation technology, your song can just be printed out in PDF and handed over to the individual musicians. Not sure if you can combine partitures yet... But it's the fist iteration. Knowing Presonus they'll iterate on what the people want. Thanks for making this video anyhow. At this moment perhaps Cubase + Dorico is best for composers, but if you just need a violinist to play a part for your pop song, Studio One is the vst of choice at the moment imho.
You actually hit upon the reason why I took the plunge and acquired Dorico. Just like Cubase has a relationship with Wavelab and now Spectralayers, I was anticipating that there will be similar integration with Cubase. Wouldn’t it be nice if you can export your Cubase session into a Dorico file, thus you have a quick and easy transcription of your work as an engraved score, which you can then tweak? This is a future thing but I want to be there when it happens.
2 observations: First, I have 4.2 SE and there are some minor but niggling interface differences.. nothing immense mind you, but significant enough to make me think I was going crazy because otherwise the two versions look alike. Second, I couldn't stop thinking about all the bugs and creepy crawlers you're letting in with that cracked door 😂
Thank you so much for this video! I recently got Dorico 4 because I think Finale is just not fitting for my needs. The Stream Deck package is immensely helpful and I write music the same way that you do. I love the DAW-like features and am most likely going to use Dorico forever.
Hi Guy Like you I have been using Sibelius for too long and I have been trying out Dorico as an alternative. I definitely see Dorico as the way forward - and rather hope that one day total integration between Cubase, Dorico and Pro Tools will become a reality. Real time recording to a metronome just works so much better in Dorico than it ever did in Sibelius. However - I feel I should point out that it is easy enough to play notes in Sibelius without recording them. Just click on the staff for the instrument you want, press escape and play away. It even works during playback of the parts you have already written. - But then again, if you are not going to use Sibelius anymore - who cares?
Great video on Dorico, Guy. I know Dorico is great for notation, and it's great to see the shortcuts with Elgato Streamdeck XL! What interests me is the transition from notation, that I'm used to composing with, to DAW to create the realistic sounding music. I know that Dorico has got automation capabilities but not as clear (and good?) as using Cubase. Let's say you do create the score (like in this case for the orchestra) with Dorico. What would your next step be for creating a Mockup? Would you work with the automation layers on top of your notation or would you import it through MIDI into Cubase or would you replay the whole lot into Cubase?
I wish Cubase would just create a switch for a "DAW View", or "Score View".. I prefer to create in DAW, but there is something about seeing a score with the annotations and dynamics. It can show me something the DAW view does not...I think a lot of younger muscians lack reading skills but have great creativity because of DAW....But annotations are important verbal communication tools between composers and musicians as well, when a composer is having a "very friendly discussion" with a player on what they are expecting to hear from that instrument.
This video inspired me to go away and research software. I had Cakewalk previously (I say 'had' rather than 'used' because I found it impenetrable). I've now switched ... to Musescore. Still, Dorico looks excellent also.
I switched to Dorico last fall after using Finale for 30+ years. I also have the Spitfire BBC orchestra setup as the default "voices". I can't say enough good things about Dorico - I love the program. Sure, there are some items on my "wish list" (including Rehearsal marks at Top AND Bottom of the scores) but I can always fix that in Adobe Acrobat. Try the free demo - you'll love it.
Interested in doing this too. I have BBCSO that I use in Logic. I can use that too in Dorico, without needing some sort of different version, is that correct?
@@ThinkSpaceEducation I think Steinberg has a pre-made expression map for BBCSO on their website somewhere that you can download, then click, drag and drop into Dorico. I remember downloading it.
@@ThinkSpaceEducation Once you “train” Dorico to use the Spitfire instruments, you may fool around with the Expression Maps - which is found in the Play Menu, Fourth item from the bottom. (I’m looking at the maps as I type this!)
I've been using Dorico for about a year now, and I love it! I'm also a Cubase user, so it would be brilliantif I could write music in Dorico that would then just seamessly open in Cubase without having to MIDI export et al - how good would that be Steinberg!!!
Hi Guy. That rhymes ;) . What's the "new" button controller to you left? You forgot to mention that Steinberg has a free (not demo) SE version of Dorico on their site. It's limited to two staffs, but that's enough to check it out. Without being stressed by any time limitations.
I just love your approach Guy. I am not that happy with Sibelius myself since my experience is, that sib in some areas feels counterintuitive to me. In fact - I loved the very old “musicator” actually and not due to the awful layout 😂 but because it was intuitive and therefore quite fast for me to use as a music teacher. Then Sibelius was a great upgrade - until they changed the menu totally around. 🙄 Yes I know I’m a bit conservative here. Dorico seems to be the game changer for me. Thanks for posting here Guy. Great insight you have. Love it. 👍
Hey Guy, welcome to the Dorico world! Hopefully you enjoy it as much as we do. I would recommend to change the Metronome sound to Click, under the playback options in Play. It's much less aggravating than the original, which I have no idea why that's the default haha. All the best!
Think I’m going to take the plunge, I cancelled my subscription to Sibelius a couple months ago, as you say, it’s not got any better or less frustrating (and expensive), and you’ve made up my mind to move to Dorico
I don't have need of scoring like this...but I do at times need to produce sheet music for vocalists to learn before I record them, and Cubase Pro is more than capable of doing this. I can play the vocal part into a MIDI track in Cubase, and have it render it out to sheet music, with lyrics, with very little effort.
I almost never use Sebelius. It is not intuitive and I dislike it immensely. However, I did find a workaround to what you were talking about Guy when you said that you can't play the keyboard because it writes it on the screen. I discovered by putting the cursor to the left side of the cleft outside the staff in the part that you want to sound, you can play and it won't notate...
I don't play piano. I play sax and I use a wind controller to input notes in Finale. Does the music automatically transpose when I record on a particular staff?
Welcome back, Guy and congrats on the "gig". Having been a "lifetime" Finale user, it's difficult for me to think about changing. Finale is great for the music engraving jobs I've done (mostly hymnal projects) because you have full control over the specs. I didn't like Sibelius for that reason. However, Dorico seems more friendly as a composing score program. Thanks for the info, I may consider this as a "plan B".
@@BrunodeSouzaLino I think Guy's point is that Sibelius declined because the original team was fired. If that hadn't happened, they wouldn't be putting their creative advances into Dorico
I think you should've added the 5 minutes also require other 40 minutes of you: - Creating a Steinberg ID account. - Downloading their manager. - Installing the eLicenser software. - Registering the software. - Dealing with issues regarding the download, installation and such issues with the software, eLicenser or both.
@@ThinkSpaceEducation Exactly...Kvetching about the installation process is pointless, it's a given you have it ready to go. Even Studio One, as easy as it is to install and setup, can't be done in 5 minutes.
Hi Guy - pleasure to see one of your videos again! Thanks to your videos, I've now begun writing music in Cubase - and I don't really like notation software, but I do recognize the importance of it. I'm interested to know, for someone on a limited budget, do you still recommend Dorico, or would something like Sibelius Free or Musescore be better?
Mostly just watching your brilliance and thinking that this is what I do in Finale (because I know how to use that) - However, I went to check out the price of Dorico and then backed out quickly!
Well I'm sold. I have avoided Sibelius for a while because it is just plain awful. Have been using Noteflight with my students. Just having a play with elements now! Thanks for showing me how simple and user friendly it is!
I always use Sibelius shortcut when practicing Dorico .... lol Switching from DP and Sib to Cubase/Dorico recently Painful for the old workflow but have a lot of fun
Guy, you mentioned that some libraries already have appropriate expression settings. Do you know if the SpitFire Discovery Orchestra has those enabled already? I would love to be able to use that with my notation software painlessly.
Any possibility you could look at Scaler as another useful piece of software, would love to hear what someone who has such a grasp of music theory makes of it for us learners?
I wish the quarter notes or whole notes would correspond to the notes on the kontakt instruments like Albion.... Also it would be great if this just became a DAW with a master fader and channel strips.
Instead of flicking through for a Drama, I now (at aged Funfzig sumthin') look for a new Michelmore to watch on a Saturday night. Guy, I am never disappointed with the content. And the papers want to know who's shirt you wear? Is it a 2 pounder from Marks n Spencer's circa 1979, or a $640 Valentino ? Either way I want one.
Awesome video! Just subscribed! Loving Dorico Elements so far, but I have a problem and I can't find the answer. I'm hoping someone can help. Playback tuning is off by at least half a tone. I don't know how to fix it! I can't seem to access Playback options - is this only available in the Pro version?? It's driving me nuts! When I open the Write section my VST is set to 440hz but it sounds way lower.... Please someone help!
The new music Tonal Scale is as thus: 12 7 5 2 3 : 1 4 5 9 14 Not 12 with 7 & 5 BUT 14 with 9 & 5 [2^(1/14)] These are the Tonal Scales growing from f (by cycles of fifths): All Scales build from the first mode: equivalent to Lydian f White keys are = & Black keys are | 12 with 7 & 5 [2^(1/12)] =|=|=|==|=|= {1,8,3,10,5,12,7,2,9,4,11,6} 1thru7are= 8thru12are| 7 with 5 & 2 [2^(1/7)] ===|==| {1,3,5,7,2,4,6} 1thru5are= 6&7are| 5 with 2 & 3 [2^(1/5)] =||=| {1,3,5,2,4} 1&2are= 3thru5are| Now evolving up the other end 5 with 4 & 1 [2^(1/5)] ==|== {1,3,5,2,4} 1thru4are= 5is| 9 with 5 & 4 [2^(1/9)] =|=|=|==| {1,8,3,7,5,9,2,4,6} 1thru5are= 6thru9are| 14 with 9 & 5 [2^(1/14)] =|=|===|=|===| {1,12,3,14,5,7,9,11,2,13,4,6,8,10} 1thru9are= 10thru14are| Joseph Yasser is the actual originator of the realization, that scales develop by cycles of fifths. www.seraph.it/blog_files/623ba37cafa0d91db51fa87296693fff-175.html www.academia.edu/4163545/A_Theory_of_Evolving_Tonality_by_Joseph_Yasser www.musanim.com/Yasser/ The chromatic scale we use today is divided by 2^(1/12) twelfth root of two Instead of moving to the next higher: the 19 tone scale 2^(1/19) nineteenth root of two I decided to go all the way down and back up the other end: So 12 - 7 is 5 & 7 - 5 is 2 & 5 - 2 is 3 Now we enter to the other side: 2 - 3 is (-1)* & 3 - (-1) is 4* & (-1) - 4 is (-5)* & 4 - (-5) is 9* & (-5) - 9 is (-14)* ignoring the negatives we have * 1 4 5 9 14 Just follow the cycles how each scale is weaved together, as shown above. Each scale has its own division within the frequency doubling, therefore the 14 tone scale is 2^(1/14) fourteenth root of two
Quite a number of great film composers always start with the notation or even pencil-and-paper first before moving over to the DAW. (John Williams, John Powell, Harry Gregson Williams, Alan Silvestri, Alexandre Desplat, Dario Marianelli, and many more) It all depends on the project of course, and what type of music is needed. But these are very orchestrally oriented composers, and working in notation is just a much better way of figuring things out.
I'd like to mention that everyone's process is different, so your choice might be not just based on what does which veteran composer do, but in how easy and reliably can you work with any specific tool. Obviously an orchestra won't accept a piano roll screenshot or MIDI files, but often it's better to focus on removing your specific obstacles that slow you down the most, i.e. the right tool **for the right person** for the right job.
Been using Dorico since the first version. It’s also used extensively by film composer Alan Silvestri. Best notation software.
Yup more and more are moving over with each update
@@darrinsiberia Mega Bucks !
Guy, I thought you might be tucked up cuddling two or three hot-water bottles. Thank goodness all is well... damn it’s quiet without your antics of joyful moments. Cheers from nz 👍👍👍
I think one of the best things about Dorico is that it doesn't force you to put in a time signature, key signature or tempo to start writing. You can just... write. As a modern classical composer, this is CRUCIAL to not unduly influencing my works to be in 4/4 (Sibelius) crotchet=120bpm (finale). You'd be surprised how many of my first compositions were in 4/4 simply because thats what came with the template in Sibelius...
9:26 "Essentially what you have going on here looks remarkably like--um... uh... a... DAW... um, editing thingy" 🤣🤣 The man is brilliant yet sometimes the familiar odd word escapes him... I'm so glad it isn't just me! Guy, know what we love about you most? ZERO arrogance. ❤ 😉
Yes to everything you're saying here. I appreciate somebody just straight out saying that Avid dropped the ball when they dropped the development team. And we all benefited when DS and the crew started from scratch to create Dorico. I know a lot of us miss your friendly videos. I hope the score work you're doing is going well. See you back here soon!
Just watching you for five minutes took away my concern of a steep learning curve. Gonna try out Dorico soon.
Go for it
Dorico is so much better than Sibelius. But I actually prefer MuseScore to both. MuseScore is just the most intuitive score writer I've ever used (and I've tried most of them). Not to mention in the next update it's getting VST support and is becoming its own DAW, still with it's incredible notation programming built in. All for free!
Anyway, thanks for the rundown, Guy! Your videos and music are amazing! :)
It's been a whole month now without your funny videos... where are you, Guy? We miss you and hope everything is OK.
Oh lord,
Another piece of software that makes me excited about how easy it to make music nowadays. But i'm only a year into that topic and its still so much to learn. Not to mention the money i need to work for, in order to be able to buy all the stuff i need, before buying this software. Well, i'm just turning 31 in a week, so hopefully theres still enough time to get there.
But thanks for showing Dorico and expanding my wishlist of useful things ;-)
Cheers!
You can download a cut down version for free
Download Musescore. Its free.
Being a big fan of yours and seeing you using Dorico I couldn't help myself posting my very first comment :) I've been using Dorico for two months now and I couldn't never go back to the other notation software. Your presentation was excellent.
Thank you. Once I figured out the basics like you there was no way back
As one of your 232K subscribers, and you being one of my absolute favorite CZcams subscriptions - please come back soon!
I started the trial version of Pro last week. Your video has really helped me get started in learning it. Your channel is an absolute wealth of knowledge. Fun, clear and so well presented!
Exactly what we needed! What to click, how to input, what keyboard shortcuts we need (that's HUGE). This is brilliant, thank you. Definitely going back over this video with a notebook. I just needed a push in the right direction. 👍🏼❤
This actually influenced me to switch from Finale to Dorico. I've been looking for something like this for years now and I'm surprised I haven't heard of this before now
I made the move too.
Started with Finale in the early nineties and moved over to Sibelius in 2005 when Finale started to annoy and then ditched Sibelius in October 2019 to move over to Dorico.
A truly exceptional piece of notation software which perfectly complements my DAW of choice, Logic Pro X.
It is also worth subscribing to the Dorico youtube channel as they have monthly tutorial videos.
Guy, watched your video last night. I bought Dorico several years ago, and never really mastered it. I’ve just watched this introduction video, and you explain it really well. Thank you. I’ve just had a go playing a tune to score. I’m just learning Piano, been playing guitar for 55 years, and bass for 20 years.
i just love how EXCITED this guy is about composition omg haha
Rumor has it Musescore is coming out with a vst-compatible version sometime within the next couple months, and screenshots of the interface are just gorgeous
Have been using it for years now and watched it grow like a toddler becoming a teen. The team really have produced a masterpiece due partly to their untiring interaction with users through forums such as the Dorico users group on Facebook, which is such a valuable source of info when learning it. When I first learned how to swap the annoying ff default beep to a click it was as if my child had just won the sack race on his first school sports day - I was bursting with joy. It puzzles me however, why the default metronome click is still this awful sound from the days of table tennis video machines in pubs in the 80s. A well deserved plug for a great piece of software from Guy.
Bought Dorico half price at Christmas but haven't used it properly yet, but now you convinced me to buy the Streamdeck i'm eager to get at it. Also the Steamdeck has conrol for Cubase and Nuendo for free, another bonus. Just about to buy the Dorico set from NYC. Many thanks for your enthusiastic CZcams tutorials.
being a disabled artist sadly not in my budget I'm just stuck with musescore, however I sure do appreciate these videos I love to learn new things thank you for taking the time to share.
Switched to Dorico back in 2019, in my first year of university. I learned by forcing myself to use the trial version to complete a short assignment, and then became impressed enough to buy Dorico Pro. I've never looked back since :)
You must have been reading my mind Guy! I too have had Dorico installed but have persevered with Sibelius. This video popped up while I was watching another Dorico tutorial. Time to make the shift 😬
Go for it Graham!
Thank you for the video was the best that I have ever watched so far.From now and then I am one of your fans☺
Thanks for taking the time out to entertain and informs us all. Best of luck with the project.
Thanks!
I purchased Dorico two years ago and never learned to use it. Thank you for this!
Great video! Thank you 😊
Guy, thank you for this charmingly helpful video. It's as much fun watching and listening to you as it is learning so much about the software. :?)
LOVE watching your tutorials, Guy! You are inspiring.
I, too used to use Sibelius too & am just starting Dorico!
foe some reason this video gave me dream speedrun vibe
WOW ! At last a decent well thought out programme for writing scores. great one Guy. Best of luck with your scoring commission. 🎶🎹🎧
Long time no see! I’ve been wanting to try dorico!
Writing a large orchestral project so a bit busy until early July
It's a while since we could enjoy news from Guy. Inspired by the outdoors and incars efforts, I take the freedom to suggest some locations that could inspire to new and unexplored fields.
1: Diving from a cliff on a hang glider.
2: While being abducted by aliens.
3: around midnight at a haunted grave yard.
With a laptop and keyboard always at hand, these options are certainly worth a try. I can hardly wait. (Specially the part at my third suggestion, when opening with "Hello everybody")
I love your personality, Guy. It makes learning this stuff even more fun!
As usual a great video - I have tried all these Click This - Find That - Learn - Learn - Learn software and found that you can’t beat pen and paper - or these days StaffPad.
The major fault of this type of application is you have to learn it - I find that gets in the way of creating music.
The me for all your hard work. I love watching this channel and as a new composer I’m learning so much. (Liked and subscribed)
Dorico = dope!
I'm not a composer by any means and I've been intimidated by sheet music as I didn't learn it growing up, but seeing how Dorico works in those 5 minutes clicked for how I make music and it looks like fun. I'm going to try this out this summer. :)
Well done go for it -let me recommend this as well! thinkspaceeducation.com/courses/lmt/
Wanted to do some original music on my channel someday. This may be a good start, thanks for sharing
You're welcome
Thanks so much, Guy. Even on my second, swearing-like-a-sailor try with Dorico, everything's going much smoother and faster than before.
Brilliant! You've helped to lessen the fear of learning anew! Thanks.
Very useful video!! I’ve used Dorico for some time in the past but always slow and in a wrong way, especially for notes input. This video really helped me to understand how to get in the process, which is very different from basically exploring functions and features.
It's fun to watch Mr. Michelmore talk. Not only the jokes but the funny accent... One "quaver" tho: it's still dots on a staff, a system created in the Dark Ages by, and I should add celibate, monks.
Well done Guy - Dorico is the future.
See video for details!
Hi Guy ....a great video as always and I'm a subscriber to your Channel .....I'm semi-retired (69 ) and though I play drums and acoustic/electric guitar with a lil bit of tinkling on a synth keyboard and know how to record, edit and mix on DAWS ( Cubase being my favourite DAW of choice ) , I have always wanted to be able to read/write and understand music notation, but the way it has always been presented / taught to me , made me run a mile.
I have never used SIBELIUS and perhaps never will , so what the DORICO software has opened up to me - and as you said , we've been looking the wrong way ......why can't we make our score writing software more like a DAW - is to present in a very easy to understand graphical user interface window ( GUI ), a workflow , that is easy to grasp and has given me a greater understanding how music notation works , allowing me to write simple musical scores and read them - without the steep learning curve !!!!!!!!!! 😃
I absolutely love Dorico. I moved over from Sibelius about 18 months ago, and it's fabulous. My favourite thing about it is that the scores look good without having to spend time faffing around. I used to spend hours in Sibelius just getting choral scores to look decent. Dorico gets it 99.5% right with no editing at all! Pet peeve: why did they choose the number shortcuts for note names? 18 months on, and I still go the wrong way every time!
Totally agree about note names. Just bought Stream Pad which shows you the actual notes. So much better!!
I am on day 2 on my Dorico... Brilliant ..Thanks
A new world opened up for me
Thanks🙏
would love to see your progress with this software over the course of the month, and more dorico videos too.
I've owned Dorico since the first version (I was using Sibelius for about 20 years before that) but I didn't seriously start looking at it until Version 2 (when they introduced video import and the hit point calculator). I found that for me the best way to learn it at the time was to simply dive in and use it on an actual film project... and I did actually pick it up pretty quickly that way. :)
Well done
I actually love the old Sibelius 3, that is very basic, but delivered all that I needed to prepare hundreds pages of orchestral scores
Sounds like an exciting project you've got Guy. Hope you have some time to dive in to Dorico a bit further once you've met your deadline and share your feedback on the project work. Good luck!
0:59 I remember having this discussion as a young lad in the Netherlands. Especially the parents of my generation still knew it as a keyboard. We now call a computerkeyboard a toetsenbord and a musical keyboard a keyboard. That's the handy bit of having import words that literally mean the same: you can use the import word for the alternate meaning. But since I'm communicating in English now: computerkeyboard and musical keyboard. Or musickeyboard. That's the difference.
Did you know that from version 5 on Studio One has an automatic notation output now? Using Presonus Notation technology, your song can just be printed out in PDF and handed over to the individual musicians. Not sure if you can combine partitures yet... But it's the fist iteration. Knowing Presonus they'll iterate on what the people want. Thanks for making this video anyhow. At this moment perhaps Cubase + Dorico is best for composers, but if you just need a violinist to play a part for your pop song, Studio One is the vst of choice at the moment imho.
You actually hit upon the reason why I took the plunge and acquired Dorico. Just like Cubase has a relationship with Wavelab and now Spectralayers, I was anticipating that there will be similar integration with Cubase. Wouldn’t it be nice if you can export your Cubase session into a Dorico file, thus you have a quick and easy transcription of your work as an engraved score, which you can then tweak? This is a future thing but I want to be there when it happens.
Note that Notation Express also have a stream deck (not XL) template for Musescore !
Good to see you again!!!
:)
2 observations: First, I have 4.2 SE and there are some minor but niggling interface differences.. nothing immense mind you, but significant enough to make me think I was going crazy because otherwise the two versions look alike. Second, I couldn't stop thinking about all the bugs and creepy crawlers you're letting in with that cracked door 😂
Thank you so much for this video! I recently got Dorico 4 because I think Finale is just not fitting for my needs. The Stream Deck package is immensely helpful and I write music the same way that you do. I love the DAW-like features and am most likely going to use Dorico forever.
You've inspired me to get back to it. Thank you Guy for your wonderful videos. If your soul was alcohol, it'd be Champagne! Cheers :)
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Hi Guy
Like you I have been using Sibelius for too long and I have been trying out Dorico as an alternative. I definitely see Dorico as the way forward - and rather hope that one day total integration between Cubase, Dorico and Pro Tools will become a reality. Real time recording to a metronome just works so much better in Dorico than it ever did in Sibelius.
However - I feel I should point out that it is easy enough to play notes in Sibelius without recording them. Just click on the staff for the instrument you want, press escape and play away. It even works during playback of the parts you have already written. - But then again, if you are not going to use Sibelius anymore - who cares?
Great video on Dorico, Guy. I know Dorico is great for notation, and it's great to see the shortcuts with Elgato Streamdeck XL! What interests me is the transition from notation, that I'm used to composing with, to DAW to create the realistic sounding music. I know that Dorico has got automation capabilities but not as clear (and good?) as using Cubase. Let's say you do create the score (like in this case for the orchestra) with Dorico. What would your next step be for creating a Mockup? Would you work with the automation layers on top of your notation or would you import it through MIDI into Cubase or would you replay the whole lot into Cubase?
cosigned. please do this score to daw with dorico. cheers
I wish Cubase would just create a switch for a "DAW View", or "Score View".. I prefer to create in DAW, but there is something about seeing a score with the annotations and dynamics. It can show me something the DAW view does not...I think a lot of younger muscians lack reading skills but have great creativity because of DAW....But annotations are important verbal communication tools between composers and musicians as well, when a composer is having a "very friendly discussion" with a player on what they are expecting to hear from that instrument.
That's a big ask but Im sure they're working towards it
This video inspired me to go away and research software. I had Cakewalk previously (I say 'had' rather than 'used' because I found it impenetrable). I've now switched ... to Musescore. Still, Dorico looks excellent also.
I switched to Dorico last fall after using Finale for 30+ years. I also have the Spitfire BBC orchestra setup as the default "voices". I can't say enough good things about Dorico - I love the program. Sure, there are some items on my "wish list" (including Rehearsal marks at Top AND Bottom of the scores) but I can always fix that in Adobe Acrobat. Try the free demo - you'll love it.
Interested in doing this too. I have BBCSO that I use in Logic. I can use that too in Dorico, without needing some sort of different version, is that correct?
@@RLeaguer_Saint Yes BBC SO works in Dorico but so far I havent found anyb expression maps for it
@@ThinkSpaceEducation I think Steinberg has a pre-made expression map for BBCSO on their website somewhere that you can download, then click, drag and drop into Dorico. I remember downloading it.
@@ThinkSpaceEducation Once you “train” Dorico to use the Spitfire instruments, you may fool around with the Expression Maps - which is found in the Play Menu, Fourth item from the bottom. (I’m looking at the maps as I type this!)
I've been using Dorico for about a year now, and I love it! I'm also a Cubase user, so it would be brilliantif I could write music in Dorico that would then just seamessly open in Cubase without having to MIDI export et al - how good would that be Steinberg!!!
Yup that would be
You CAN do that with Presonus Studio One and Notion. BUT Notion isn't as good as Dorico in terms of ease of use and especially the sound quality.
Likewise, I would love if you can export the Cubase session into a Dorico file and create an instant transcription/engraved score.
Hi Guy. That rhymes ;) . What's the "new" button controller to you left?
You forgot to mention that Steinberg has a free (not demo) SE version of Dorico on their site. It's limited to two staffs, but that's enough to check it out. Without being stressed by any time limitations.
I just love your approach Guy. I am not that happy with Sibelius myself since my experience is, that sib in some areas feels counterintuitive to me. In fact - I loved the very old “musicator” actually and not due to the awful layout 😂 but because it was intuitive and therefore quite fast for me to use as a music teacher. Then Sibelius was a great upgrade - until they changed the menu totally around. 🙄 Yes I know I’m a bit conservative here. Dorico seems to be the game changer for me. Thanks for posting here Guy. Great insight you have. Love it. 👍
Hey Guy, welcome to the Dorico world! Hopefully you enjoy it as much as we do. I would recommend to change the Metronome sound to Click, under the playback options in Play. It's much less aggravating than the original, which I have no idea why that's the default haha. All the best!
You were already a step ahead haha
Think I’m going to take the plunge, I cancelled my subscription to Sibelius a couple months ago, as you say, it’s not got any better or less frustrating (and expensive), and you’ve made up my mind to move to Dorico
I really prefer using Dorico to DAW. Just like seeing all the notes properly scored and makes it easier to work things out.
The audio in this is panned to the right.
great and thank you for the helpful tutorial
Never thought of using the notation software as a vst host, but it might be the Solution (capital intended)
I don't have need of scoring like this...but I do at times need to produce sheet music for vocalists to learn before I record them, and Cubase Pro is more than capable of doing this. I can play the vocal part into a MIDI track in Cubase, and have it render it out to sheet music, with lyrics, with very little effort.
I almost never use Sebelius. It is not intuitive and I dislike it immensely. However, I did find a workaround to what you were talking about Guy when you said that you can't play the keyboard because it writes it on the screen. I discovered by putting the cursor to the left side of the cleft outside the staff in the part that you want to sound, you can play and it won't notate...
Dorico should give you free pro version license, i bought one because of this video
I don't play piano. I play sax and I use a wind controller to input notes in Finale. Does the music automatically transpose when I record on a particular staff?
Welcome back, Guy and congrats on the "gig". Having been a "lifetime" Finale user, it's difficult for me to think about changing. Finale is great for the music engraving jobs I've done (mostly hymnal projects) because you have full control over the specs. I didn't like Sibelius for that reason. However, Dorico seems more friendly as a composing score program. Thanks for the info, I may consider this as a "plan B".
I woud Linda - for composing its absolutely brilliant. Finale remains teh go to for engraving
@@ThinkSpaceEducation keep at it with Dorico, it’ll do all your engraving, no problem
Keep in mind that Dorico was made by the old Sibellius team. If Sibellius is the bad thing it is nowadays, it's their fault.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino but we can't change it now... #learnfrommistakes
@@BrunodeSouzaLino I think Guy's point is that Sibelius declined because the original team was fired. If that hadn't happened, they wouldn't be putting their creative advances into Dorico
I think you should've added the 5 minutes also require other 40 minutes of you:
- Creating a Steinberg ID account.
- Downloading their manager.
- Installing the eLicenser software.
- Registering the software.
- Dealing with issues regarding the download, installation and such issues with the software, eLicenser or both.
OK but...once you have it.....
@@ThinkSpaceEducation Exactly...Kvetching about the installation process is pointless, it's a given you have it ready to go. Even Studio One, as easy as it is to install and setup, can't be done in 5 minutes.
@@JPDC624 I think the joke is that Steinberg's installation process is notoriously bad.
Is there live after Dorico? Hope you're all well Guy and spending your time on nice projects and the academy!
Ahum...life also!
Welcome back!
thank you
Hi Guy - pleasure to see one of your videos again! Thanks to your videos, I've now begun writing music in Cubase - and I don't really like notation software, but I do recognize the importance of it. I'm interested to know, for someone on a limited budget, do you still recommend Dorico, or would something like Sibelius Free or Musescore be better?
When you need a real score writer this is the one - but to mess about with Musescore is great
You can dowload a free version of Dorico from their website. It's limited to one solo instrument plus piano comp
Mostly just watching your brilliance and thinking that this is what I do in Finale (because I know how to use that) - However, I went to check out the price of Dorico and then backed out quickly!
I am going to need to learn this now because the makers of Finale have killed the software and are making us an offer we can't refuse on Dorico.
16:21 you actually can play around on sibelius without writing, just change the note input system to "note first, then rhythm" which is a lot better
Well I'm sold. I have avoided Sibelius for a while because it is just plain awful. Have been using Noteflight with my students. Just having a play with elements now! Thanks for showing me how simple and user friendly it is!
I always use Sibelius shortcut when practicing Dorico .... lol
Switching from DP and Sib to Cubase/Dorico recently
Painful for the old workflow but have a lot of fun
guy missing your posts - as a fellow former news presenter (NYC), I am wondering where the new videos are. (I know you're not camera-shy) :-)
Harmony Assistant is very good as well.
Guy, you mentioned that some libraries already have appropriate expression settings. Do you know if the SpitFire Discovery Orchestra has those enabled already? I would love to be able to use that with my notation software painlessly.
You made me make up my mind!
That's my super power
So good to hear "quavers" rather than 8th notes! Great video, thank you, Mr M!
Where are you - are you having a summer holiday?
Any possibility you could look at Scaler as another useful piece of software, would love to hear what someone who has such a grasp of music theory makes of it for us learners?
I wish the quarter notes or whole notes would correspond to the notes on the kontakt instruments like Albion.... Also it would be great if this just became a DAW with a master fader and channel strips.
Instead of flicking through for a Drama, I now (at aged Funfzig sumthin') look for a new Michelmore to watch on a Saturday night. Guy, I am never disappointed with the content. And the papers want to know who's shirt you wear? Is it a 2 pounder from Marks n Spencer's circa 1979, or a $640 Valentino ? Either way I want one.
Awesome video! Just subscribed! Loving Dorico Elements so far, but I have a problem and I can't find the answer. I'm hoping someone can help. Playback tuning is off by at least half a tone. I don't know how to fix it! I can't seem to access Playback options - is this only available in the Pro version?? It's driving me nuts! When I open the Write section my VST is set to 440hz but it sounds way lower.... Please someone help!
The new music Tonal Scale is as thus: 12 7 5 2 3 : 1 4 5 9 14
Not 12 with 7 & 5 BUT 14 with 9 & 5 [2^(1/14)]
These are the Tonal Scales growing from f (by cycles of fifths):
All Scales build from the first mode: equivalent to Lydian f
White keys are = & Black keys are |
12 with 7 & 5 [2^(1/12)] =|=|=|==|=|= {1,8,3,10,5,12,7,2,9,4,11,6}
1thru7are= 8thru12are|
7 with 5 & 2 [2^(1/7)] ===|==| {1,3,5,7,2,4,6} 1thru5are= 6&7are|
5 with 2 & 3 [2^(1/5)] =||=| {1,3,5,2,4} 1&2are= 3thru5are|
Now evolving up the other end
5 with 4 & 1 [2^(1/5)] ==|== {1,3,5,2,4} 1thru4are= 5is|
9 with 5 & 4 [2^(1/9)] =|=|=|==| {1,8,3,7,5,9,2,4,6} 1thru5are= 6thru9are|
14 with 9 & 5 [2^(1/14)] =|=|===|=|===| {1,12,3,14,5,7,9,11,2,13,4,6,8,10}
1thru9are= 10thru14are|
Joseph Yasser is the actual originator of the realization,
that scales develop by cycles of fifths.
www.seraph.it/blog_files/623ba37cafa0d91db51fa87296693fff-175.html
www.academia.edu/4163545/A_Theory_of_Evolving_Tonality_by_Joseph_Yasser
www.musanim.com/Yasser/
The chromatic scale we use today is divided by 2^(1/12) twelfth root of two
Instead of moving to the next higher: the 19 tone scale 2^(1/19) nineteenth root of two
I decided to go all the way down and back up the other end:
So 12 - 7 is 5 & 7 - 5 is 2 & 5 - 2 is 3
Now we enter to the other side:
2 - 3 is (-1)* & 3 - (-1) is 4* & (-1) - 4 is (-5)* & 4 - (-5) is 9* & (-5) - 9 is (-14)*
ignoring the negatives we have * 1 4 5 9 14
Just follow the cycles how each scale is weaved together, as shown above.
Each scale has its own division within the frequency doubling,
therefore the 14 tone scale is 2^(1/14) fourteenth root of two
Out of interest when doing your proper commercial scores do you use notation or DAW?
DAW first and notation second - so when I need to work something out properly I switch to dorico
Quite a number of great film composers always start with the notation or even pencil-and-paper first before moving over to the DAW. (John Williams, John Powell, Harry Gregson Williams, Alan Silvestri, Alexandre Desplat, Dario Marianelli, and many more)
It all depends on the project of course, and what type of music is needed. But these are very orchestrally oriented composers, and working in notation is just a much better way of figuring things out.
@@FreakieFan yeah I write on paper as well, sadly the rule doesn't mean I'm also a great film composer
I'd like to mention that everyone's process is different, so your choice might be not just based on what does which veteran composer do, but in how easy and reliably can you work with any specific tool. Obviously an orchestra won't accept a piano roll screenshot or MIDI files, but often it's better to focus on removing your specific obstacles that slow you down the most, i.e. the right tool **for the right person** for the right job.