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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
- I speak with Benjamin Tallis about German foreign policy and his new international relations approach of neo-idealism.
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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
1:11 - The Leopards are free
3:37 - Ben's background
6:31 - Does Scholz want Ukraine to win?
10:00 - This was not 4D chess
13:06 - Why does shame work on Germany?
18:00 - Is Germany turning the corner?
19:03 - What is neo-idealism?
25:57 - The irrational fear of escalation
27:00 - Why call it "idealism" when it reflects reality?
28:30 - "Realists" should be called "transactionalists"
28:59 - Idealism as striving
29:52 - Thanks and signoff
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Thank you Paul for all your help and support to Ukraine 💙💛 It's very important to share information to English speakers too. Slava Ukraini!
Slava deez nutz! Paul sounds like a woman by the way.
ukronion botfarm ops have been rubbish since Zionliesky sacked off Arestovych
A lot of thanks for your help and work for Ukraine 🇺🇦🌻🤝✌️
Why is woman-sounding Paul too scared to fight on the front lines? He advocates for WW3 more than anyone else yet he’s a little girl who would never fight.
@@gbgbgbgb1 OK. This means that you are a strong guy and can be on the front line to prevent WW3.
Great and insightful conversation, thanks a lot!
Highly doubtful. Also, your hero Paul sounds like a woman.
Two famewhory influencers insulting Ukraine's second biggest supporter.
Nothing good will come out of this.
If you enjoyed this video, please comment, like, and subscribe! 💙💛
Ihr habt absolut recht. Danke für euren Einsatz!
Manche Leute muss man leider echt zur Jagd tragen ...
73% der Deutschen finden richtig wie Scholz gehandelt hat. Die Unterstützung geht massiv zurück, weil selbst Leute, die der Ukraine uneingeschränkt helfen wollen, nur noch zum Kotzen finden, was da abgelaufen ist.
You’re the best, Paul! 27:30 “Just listen do yourselves for one second!!” Hahaha the glorious exasperation of it all. Wonderfully said. Thanks for another terrific interview. Keep up the great work! Слава Україні.
Thanks for listening!
Paul sounds like a woman LOL
Thank you for your support of Ukraine, Paul, Benjamin! Ukraine will win with the strong support of our friends! Glory to the Heroes! 💪💛💙
Such incredible story- to have to force Germany into doing the right thing ! Thank all the gods for the internet, for our ability to do this work wherever we are . I have been wondering myself if Scholtz is worried about Ukraine growing too powerful after this war to compete with his number one status in Europe. What else would there be - no other excuse to drag your feet so long. And to be called "Germany bashers" for pointing out the stark reality -well, we know how that goes, right. Thousands of dead Ukrainians disagree.
Biden and Scholz sorted this out.
Massaro and his paid influencer scum have nothing to do with this decision.
You all have lied and insulted my country for months.
We will remember and return the favor tenfold.
@@olasylvia1 You and your lot don't have the slightest clue what truth is.
But don't worry.
We will enlighten you sooner or later.
Your just as irrelevant as they are ober there.
Fantasy world they are living in.
Thank you, Paul, for your support of Ukraine. But thank you to everyone who supports us. Ukrainians will never forget this. Ukraine will definitely win.
Paul sounds like a woman. Also, Ukraine will lose.
proxy war puppet show
I know those two #NAFOfellas 😉🫡
That was excellent
Wow the intellectual brainpower you bring to us viewers is astounding! I absolutely loved this 🎉
Yes. I feel like I'm back in school. I have so much home work to do after each video. 😅
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Look forward to you post every day. Your are the best!
This was an excellent conversation! Haven't said "yes, absolutely" out loud this many times in 30 minutes since never.
Yes, completely amazing results. Now we must to push much more. Don’t stop. To get real position of Germany in this war and international relationships
Keep pushing and Ukraine won't get one single cent anymore.
Thank you for so many interesting guests, many of which I did not know of.
'Moving at the speed of shame'. :) The non transformation theory is transformative.
Thank you for such great conversation! and for bringing up the old new set of axioms. The more idealistic way of doing, the bigger strategic time gap.
Thank you for an excellent and eye-opening interview. Please keep up the great work. Slava Ukraini !
🙏🕊🌻🔱 Excellent Update! Ukraine is Strong! Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the Heroes! The World Stays Committed! 🔱🌻🕊🙏
I was much interested in the last question, such a brave and elegant thinking this man has!
RUSI says “Dr Benjamin Tallis is a fellow at the Hertie School’s Centre for International Security in Berlin, having previously worked at IIR Prague, IFSH Hamburg and on EU security missions in Ukraine and the Western Balkans.
Specialist geopolitics of (in)security in Europe; author of a forthcoming book on the EU and its neighbourhood and migration crises.”
Prague summit said “Research Fellow at the Institute of International Relations and the Coordinator of the Institute’s Centre for European Security. He is the Editor-in-Chief of the SCOPUS listed academic journal ‘New Perspectives: Interdisciplinary Journal of Central and East European Politics and International Relations. He worked as a strategy, planning and performance officer for the European Union Border Assistance Mission to Moldova and Ukraine and as a strategic analyst and project manager for the EU Police Mission EUPOL-Proxima, based in Skopje.”
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If through Scholtzs inaction the war ended in a stalemate but still rumbled on, it could delay Ukraines admittance to the EU and ultimately NATO, which could have enhanced Ukraines future security. Which makes his behaviour more reprehensible
Great work Pavlo.
First 🙏💙💛🇺🇦🌻
You beat me even!
Scholtz feels very much like Neville Chamberlain over the Sudetenland. Obvious reference I know. But I feel it applies.
I think your are quite far from the point due that the wars finishes on a table. So better to give not only tanks to one side and values and hope to the other. In my particular view, yes there is shame on their political strategy but also there is a real hope to recover if Rusia goes on EU values and this is a very powerful weapon also.
@@jmbr7485 I think delusional if Russia would ever engage in EU values. The russian tzars, USSRs and modern Russia all had no values that aligns with the EU.
Russia has done for more to corrupt EU values than we have to influence them.
Also WW2 finished on the battle field. The invasion of Berlin by the Russians and then UK USA etc. Germany was completely occupied.
Every war with Russia that has ended at the negotiations table, the other countries lost territory. This is a violation of idea of sovereign countries and just rewarding russian agression.
@@murphy7801 In one way I understand your point, but at the end the war will end on a table. So if there is not hope left, there is not going to be pace in a long term. So, the point in Germany position, hard to understand but clear transparent it is to pivot his position to offer values, powerful as tanks also and tank too.
@@jmbr7485 it's ok. We all have different views. I currently live in France so I'm advocating we send fighter jets. I live in a nuclear power and we don't use much russian energy. Less risk.
@@jmbr7485 basically you make the price of peace cheaper than the price of war. War is naturally cheap to Russians. So it's gonna take a lot to make it cheaper. Hence send all the weapons. Russians costs will become so high there brought to knees trying to justify this. That's it to me anyway. Weapons get you what you want. Then again I'm French Irish, two nations that violent rebellion worked. So my views probably very far from German.
Paul, thank you for supporting Ukraine ! 💙💛
Thanks Paul great show again , thank you
Although I was pissed of with our government I have to admit that after all I understand its position. Those Abrams might not be very useful for the moment but it gave us the necessary support and unity which was needed given our history
GER here too & I agree with you 100%. If you will, the Abrams have appeased the German procrastinators & hesitant souls.
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Very interesting discussion. As a German myself, I am happy that finally Scholz moved to deliver tanks to 🇺🇦. Let's hope that our government learns to act more pro-active and strategic instead of having to be shamed into action. Although I am not sure if we see that as long as Scholz is chancellor.
The next step is to give Ukraine access to Western fighter jets. Germany says no to fighter jets. Unlike with the tanks I hope that Germany doesn't have a say here. Hopefully there are no German components in Swedish, French and American fighter jets. The Swedish government has been stubborn about not allowing Gripens, which could be tied to not being in NATO. At least I hope so, because not being in NATO is the only semi-valid argument I can accept. If it was up to me, Sweden should have started training Ukrainian pilots on the Gripen as soon as we got the UK security guarantee last year, in May - June I think it was.
Ukraine's minister Kuleba asked for Gripens publicly last summer. So it's not that they haven't been requested. Thanks for the interview.
Thank you for great video 👏
Idk as a french citizen what's wrong with idealism? I go to protests and workers strikes for ideals of workers rights etc.
The non transformation theory is transformative.
Great video Paul and Benjamin! Thank you!
Thank you to everyone who stands with Ukraine! 💙💛
#StopTheTerroristStateOfRussia #MoreAirDefenceAndHeavyWeaponsForUkraine
#FullSanctionsforRussia #SanctionsOnRussiaMustRemain #RemoveRussiaFromUN
#RussiaMustPayAllRepairations #ReturnAllStolenUkrainians #PeaceThroughUkrainianVictoryOnly
Amazing news , 10000%
Yes to Neo-Idealism!!!
He just wants to sell his shitty book
Neo-Idealism! I learned something new! Thank you!!!!
No one in the political scientist communit takes that scam seriously. No other author talking about it worldwide.
Its nonsense.
cool video but short. i would listen to it for an hour or more.
"Shame Germany, Defeat Russia" 😂😂😂😂😂
Proud fella here and happy to help #ArmUkraine
There is nothing to be proud about
Since your smear campaign escalated, support for Ukraine in Germany is on an all time low, never seen before.
@@Parcourette someone’s sad that their comrades are gonna be met with a better defense 😂
@@marlowc2324 And that's why they prefer Made in Germany.
And not some Polish crap.
Benjamin and Paul are based as always!
"The speed of shame". 😄 I have been in arguments with Germans about their weak response to Mordor's invasion of Ukraine. Germany appeasing and helping Mordor is directly threatening the security of Germany's fellow EU countries (such as mine). But the Germans don't seem to care about that. If Germany is weak, it increases the risk that Mordor will attack a second country. The reason is that Mordor then knows that Germany won't come and help that country. In my case the countries that would help us are further away than Germany, so it will take them longer to get to us. It is very disheartening knowing that Germany, who is a short hop away over the sea, will not come and help us if Mordor attacks us. We will have to wait for the British to make their way to the Baltic Sea.
Keep waiting for Johnson and other crooks.
Good luck with that.
Frankly, I dislike these guys celebrating how shaming Germany becomes the most promising way to interact with Germany, while at the same time recognizing that there is obviously no other way to make our pathetic chancellor do the inevitable things. Scholz makes a fool out of Germany and hopefully he and his SPD will be held accountable for that in the next elections. On top of that, while Germany gets all the beating, other countries like Austria or Swiss can comfortably hide behind their weird definition of neutrality or even take a pro-russian stance like Hungary with barely any mention. Even if Swiss refuses to provide Gepard ammo, it's Germany to get the blame for it ... Utterly frustrating. Hopefully this is not the way how things continue to work once this war is over.
I enjoyed reading your comment. Although I agree with you, being a French Canadian, I hope that I can express myself correctly.
I actually don't think that "shaming" is the right word to use. I hope that chancellor Scholz finally gave in to the pressure for providing the tanks after listening to the German people and not for some sort of strategy for his own political benefit. As frustrating as it was, in the end, chancellor Scholtz finally made the right decision. I believe that Germany will be recognized for their contribution when the Russian Kremlin is defeated.
Take care.
Polish PiS has paid this crook
Beeing German myself I have to admit that it is hard to see Germany at the center of criticism of the whole free world. But unfortunately they are absolutely right. We have actually managed to get blood on our hands again. So please keep on pressuring us with shame, it seems to be the only thing that works, unfortunately.
As always, Paul, great content (and the volume is very good, too). Thank you very much!
In Germany, there are MANY MANY MANY decent people that are doing great to help Ukraine refugees and support Ukraine resistance.
The situation is tough - because russian propaganda is very effective and most of people are tired of the war or simply don't care about the dangerous situation. We are all living in difficult times in which democracies are struggling against autocracies. We can't let Ukraine fall - in the long terms, the cost of russian victory would mean the death of our values.
Well, I don't really think it's about shame, but in my view as a pedestrian is that Germany has been doing a transitional step in all the efforts to make it all the Germans together and still keeping on it but in a view that after all Russia needs to be approach on EU values also. So this Germany wire on to tackle on values Russia is to me the proper way also to protect Ukraine. I hope Germany is not only giving tanks to Ukraine is helping to cut the war by giving values to the Russian next approach to EU and I think it is value another thousand tanks....or will be thousand tanks
I think the germans have done there part. A lite slow but america has to on shipping what ujraine acrualky needs
These clowns a few US far rigjt Think thanks and a Twitter CEE bubble is not the world holy shit we need an internet permit.
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Never say, third time lucky to a German.
My favorite twitter people in one video togеher)))
"neo-idealism" - shortly - the good real humans like for instance Estonians are idealistic and Poles are obviously not fully human beings and just care for their interests and survival... Why so many people educated in Germany are generally racist against the Polish?
Interesting that the east part of Germany is against Ukrainian help, by a wide margin. West part in favor big time.
Yes, it's also the part with the most percentage of right-wing (AfD) and left-wing (Die Linke) voters. As a former East German now living in the West, I feel a bit sad that many East Germans are susceptible to Russian propaganda lies and anti-democratic ideas. It may be connected to the fact that many East Germans grew up in families with parents that lost their jobs after the reunification and therefore don't appreciate democracy as much as people that experienced the reunification purely as positive.
Just in case you wonder why East Germans support RuZZia/Putin (don´t like to see Leopards deployed to UA): East Germany (former GDR) was part of the Soviet Union for ~ 45 y. During that period the GDR population was constantly bombarded with Soviet PROPAGANDA. The main propaganda NARRATIV was that communism is the greatest political system while the US is an evil imperialistic & capitalistc country; their only goal was/is to suppress and exploit other countries resp. their population.
East Germans perceived any hardship in daily life as caused by the US and not in the deficit economic communist system. Additionally, Soviet propaganda taught the population to constantly view themselves as victims of this foreign higher power (capitalism).
Viewing oneself as a victim is a highly comfortable position. This self-perception is passed on from one generation to the next. The GER right-wing party AfD consists in part of members who constantly see themselves as victims of a higher power and / or exploit this self-perception in their voters. This is one of the reason why they receive high approval ratings in East Germany in contrast to West GER..
So, all in all, many today East Germans see themselves exactly the same way as many Russians do: as victims of a higher power that Putin is fighting against.
On Twitter, you sometimes find longer comments from (younger) East Germans who are really pissed off by this victim attitude. As this general victim position is so comfortable it is hard to fight.
(By the way, the narrative of being a victim of a higher power is also strongly cultivated in China by the Communist Party. That unifies the population & directs aggressions against an outside enemy.)
@@julilab yes, I agree. Poland, Ukraine and most in the former USSR orbit hate Russia. Why is East Germany different?
@@garyklimitchek45 As i wrote above, the Soviet propaganda spread the narrativ of the evil imperialistic US in East GER. The capitalistic west was the the scapegoat for all and everything. At the same time East GER was not that badly exploited & suppressed by the Soviets like some other countries. F. e. Estonia was forced to export a high percentage of their agro-products to St Petersburg (Leningrad). Additionally East GER historical identity was never that of a sovereign state like fe. Poland or Hungary etc. Unlike the neighboring countries of RUS East GER was never attacked by RUS. Poland was the bufferstate.
All in all East GER history & experiences with RUS is completely different compared to many East European countries. A couple of years after the Berlin Wall fell even an East GER nostalgia (we call it Ostalgie) set in. Plus as usual older people tend to glorify the past a bit and forget the bad times. All across East EU countries you´ll find citizens who sympathise with RUS/Putin. Usually they belong to the older generation.
@@julilab totally makes sense. Germans were treated differently. I understand the economy was better there too.
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As a Ukrainian, who went to Germany in March 2022, I'm also very interested in topic of shame. Cause more Ukrainians died because of Hitler compared to Russians, but I guess nobody thought of Ukrainians as a sovereign nation here, at least not before this 2022 escalation happened
I´m sorry to say but you are right, prior to the war most Germans did not know where to locate Ukraine on a map. Traditionally Germans travel south for vacation and ties to RUS were/are stronger than f.e. to the Baltics. Back in the 1960s, there took a romanticization of Russia place here in GER. Blockbusters like Dr. Zhivago hit the cinemas and Russia was almost admired for its culture and its commitment and sacrifices in WWII. Russian art also came into focus at that time. Later people started collecting icons and Russian artists. I am not a historian but I suppose that since Catherine the Great the connection between Germany and Russia was always a bit closer than for example between France and Russia. Additionally Germany was split in East and West 1961 and somehow people in the west who had strong ties to the Eastern part under Soviet occupation certainly tried to extract at least one or two positive points in the Soviet Union resp. its communism. There were many younger people in the West who defended Soviet communism, but few wanted to live there. It is certainly not German ignorance that Ukraine was not perceived as it deserved. It is rather the German history over 250 years that tied Germany more strongly to Russia. At least that is my assessment.
Well I certainly understand that when people want to lie to themselves, they succeed. Don't get me wrong, on February the 23rd my friends and I were walking on the beach in Odesa and talking about how Russia will not invade. I guess the sounds of explosions opens one's eyes. So now I'm reading all the books by Timothy Snyder in order to at least have solid arguments, when Germans say to me that Mutti Merkel was a saint and everything she did was holy
I would name you positivits instead of idealists and them negativists instead of realists, you count on striving for things to get better (progress) that values play a role, them only count on the dark side getting the better of all of us and nothing can or must change.
I must say your interviews are very interesting but they are too short a little more in depth would be amazing.
Paul pls lower the decibel down a little more. It sounds like you are yelling
Thank you so much for introducing these excellent people like Ben or Jessica to us. It's reassuring to me that there are people like you in the background, advising & pushing Scholz to the necessary actions. Like Merkel , he does not want to take any unpopular stand. A lot of people are afraid of escalation .
Well you are talking about shame. Please do remember what Gorbatchow said to the east german Kanzler Honecker in 1989 "wer zu spät kommt" It is not shame here but moreover fear to end up in a situation where we all could blame Scholz for the one who "lost" the war for Ukraine. That role in history was not really that attractive to Scholz.
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Amazing people! ruzzia has no chance
learn how to spell it correctly first mate loll Russia will beat and denazify corrupt Ukr just like Germany
Escalation....... It's called scaredy cat syndrome.
Please remember that Eastern Europe lays between the Bug and the Urals, not between the Bug and the Rhine. South-eastern Europe is Astrakhan and Kalmykhia
Germany's on your side? Well, with their track record when it comes to war, I'm sure you can't lose. Dasvidaniya.
over enthusiastic M.I.C. simp puts on fancy dress & requests you engage in reams of ‘suspension of disbelief’ with him. $LAVA, $LAVA !
dictators cannot get along with one another for very long....that is a good thing.
Well done on advocating for Germany to accept the reality of russian imperial aggression.
No sane person ever wants war but weapons sitting in storage while Ukrainians are literally fighting for their very existence is a crime that will be looked back on with great shame.
"EXPERTS"
These will defeat Russia immediately make sure tou paint rainbow flags for extra Armour
Insulting millions of Germans without reason for months to promote their shady selves.
The lowest of the disgusring low. Just as their fan base.
But they are only 5% of the community.
I love watching the giddy chicken hawks.