Wisconsin Announces Ballot Initiative To Ban Livescope And 360 Imagining…
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- čas přidán 6. 03. 2024
- Randy talks about a Wisconsin ballot initiative that is asking residence to decide if they want live scope or not…#bass #fish #fishing #fishingtrip #bassfishing #fishingdaily #angler #catchandrelease #fishinglife
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More of your b.s. Wisconsin has some of the most relaxed fishing laws in the country. They can use 3 lines in the winter for example. Give it up Randy. If anything , they're going to promote it.
This is about musky. The state fish of Wisconsin. Which being large and easily identified on ffs are extremely vulnerable. Also guys with ethics stop fishing for them when the water hits 75 degrees. Bass are way down on the important list up there.
@@johnmiller5987 Muskies are no more vulnerable than any other fish,also ffs doesn't make fish bite. Muskies generally are a harder fish to catch anyway , you will find fish faster with ffs, but don't make them bite.
@@thomasebsen8821good grief. Are you really too stupid to see how people will simply use FFS to snag muskies?
Lower bag limits and abiding by the posesion limit is key to future fisheries.
I fish about 2 to 4 times a week, do not do fishing tournaments. I just like to fish, I will probably not have a FFS.Due to cost but if I wanted to buy one .Who the hell are you to say I can not have it and use it. Thanks
Ban it with no vote. Spoken like a true authoritarian.
He's a democrap
As a resident of Wisconsin, I can confidently say that we have world class and well managed fisheries. That said, if you need FFS to catch a fish in this state, you must truly stink at fishing.
I bet you have sonar in your boat! Ffs is no different except you can find fish faster. Ffs does not make fish bite, wake up.
@@thomasebsen8821 Thats like comparing a flasher with side imaging, it's just not the same thing. Also, stop trolling Randy and guys that understand that he is right. It's childish.
@@macdaddyblues1 Some people are just plain stupid . And can't cure stupid.
Yes, I do have a very basic sonar in my boat. Don’t use it often, mostly used to verify depth in unfamiliar lakes as a safety device. Don’t need FFS to find fish, I use the knowledge gained from years of fishing and the shared knowledge of great fishermen like Randy,KVD, and my Dad.
@@thomasebsen8821 sounds like you have a hard time catching fish even with FFS. Let me know if you need instructions on how to use a hook, bobber and a night crawler. Have you graduated from using a Zebco yet?
If ffs has to be questioned then that should tell you everything you need to know. If someone wants to catch fish consistently, go more often and learn from experience like everyone before us did. Put forth the effort and learn to be a good outdoorsman. You’ll appreciate it later in life.
That is way too smart for the FFS bunch. They are too lazy and want the easy way in life.
You do realize that people with FFS are primarily guys who have dedicated lots of time fishing and are serious about the sport. Including nearly all tournament anglers and guides nowadays. A new angler simply isn't going out to Cabela's buying FFS and suddenly pulling in all the giant fish. It may seem that way when these young guys win tournaments but you gotta understand that they have all these open resources such as CZcams at their fingertips to learn how to fish. They don't have to hope that the techniques they want to learn are in a magazine and learn things the hard way. They even have bass fishing in highschool and college! Just because they didn't learn things the way you had to doesn't make it a bad thing. Nearly all outdoorsmen nowadays use some form of technology. If you really hate it, hate it all. You can't just choose and be okay with the technology you have and understand.
"It's disappointing to see the Wisconsin Conservation Congress opting to ban the use of this technology instead of rolling up their sleeves and doing the necessary work. This technology hasn't been around long enough for us to accurately gauge its long-term implications. With proper studies, we can understand its effects and implement changes such as imposing slot limits, creating new harvest regulations, and improving season structures. Why allow one person to keep 25 crappies when 10 is more than sufficient for a meal?
Instead of investing real effort into solving the issues for the benefit of everyone, we're resorting to a cancel culture mentality, solely focused on what suits our own interests. Enacting laws that cannot be effectively enforced is not the solution. As a resident of Wisconsin, I find this allocation of tax dollars to be a complete waste, as it will do nothing to solve the problem and only serve to further divide the fishing community.
We already have enough things in this country that are dividing us, and fishing shouldn't become one of them."
It’s on the DNR site as a survey. The DNR even stated that it could take 3-4 years before it could ever become law. There were also questions about hunting and other fishing regs….
Wisconsin banned baiting for deer for one year. The following year baiting was reinstated. Wisconsin deer have more of a problem with wolves than baiting. When the paper graphs came out in the late 70's early 80's Minnesota banned them. Their thought process was it would be the end of walleye fishing. Gonna be the same thing with livescope. The technology only hurts the population if you have the"sack em all" mentality. If you are selective and only as Bill Dance always said "keep what you can use and release the rest" there should be no decimation of population.
Hey Randy.....there was a Bass Tournament on Toledo Bend Today put on by Despino Tires.....and Foward Facing Sonar was Not Allowed......First place was $20 k guaranteed !!!
Randy I sincerely respect you, you’re a hell of an angler and way better than I’ll ever be. I think you have some valid points in your position against livescope, but it feels like you’re just trying to agitate people to get clicks. I used to love your channel, but it’s become pretty hard to watch.
Don't sell your self short . Probably beat Randy with a wacky worm 🪱
@@Fjb.trumpwon 😂
FFS LAZY mans fishing.@@BenC-77
100% agree!
@@BenC-77 LOL!
It goes to the state of Wisconsin for consideration. That’s a long, long way from a law or regulation. It would have to be drafted into a law and then voted on. That would happen after any lawsuits against it and then consideration by the entire state via a vote
You really need to get away from giving misleading information and half truths.
Wisconsinite here. Not a professional angler. Don’t own FFS currently. The WIDNR already has the tools to protect our fisheries from over harvesting with limits and size restrictions. The State should focus on enforcing existing limits and size restrictions and adjust those as needed instead of banning a tool. I also kayak and boat fish and believe me I believe the banning of motors on all fisheries would have more of an impact on the quality of fishery but why doesn’t Randy support that? Heck I’m pretty sure the post tournament morality studies show tournaments have a very large impact on fishery health.
You are so right. Tournaments that happen in warm weather definitely cause delayed mortality. But trying to tell a former tournament addict he was the cause of many of these fish deaths falls on deaf ears. Instead “Karen’s” try’s to tell everyone “the sky is falling” with FFS.
Fingers crossed on this.
Why is 360 lumped in with FFS? Hell, why don’t they ban side image while they’re at it?! 🙄
Man look at that smile on your face Randy.
I didn't realize you were against 360 imaging.
I agree on the conservation should be conservation not political. Tell me how 360 is the same as "livescope" then side imaging and down imaging is banned too. You can have a compromise less fish able be taken "limit". I'm not a live scope person but I think the tool can really help fisherman in the l9ng run understand fish behavior.
Most of the local public lakes here in Central IL are fished out.
Watching someone dangle a bait in the fishes face and catch it isn't fishing.
There are groups of people who can fish out a pond in no time even without electronics.
There has to be limits. It costs the taxpayers to restock. Il is broke, so good luck there.
One more thing. I fished a lot in the winter in Matlacha pass, which goes out into the Gulf of Mexico for 10 years or so. I quit after that.
Due to pollution and fresh water intrusion, most of the grass is gone. The guides were having a tough time finding fish 3 years ago. Luckily, most people aren't particular about getting slot sized fish even with a guide.
If it can happen in the Gulf, it can happen anywhere, one way or another.
This is America. I’m for more freedom not less.
most people only think that way when it’s something they like being taken away. Lot of hypocrites out there.
@@Etec86 like freedom right. Give up our freedoms for the cancel culture. That is what banning ffs is to the “Karen’s ( RANDY “B’s) of the world Under the guise of protecting a resource. Why not say “it’s for the children”. That’s what most conspiracy KARENS USE for canceling what they do not agree with. Let’s take away your freedoms for “the children”. I am so sick of the cancel culture that is pervasive today. If the cancel culture were around in 1900 there would be no cars, no planes, no technology. We would still be riding horses and fishing from the bank with a willow branch.
Even if it hurts a resource?
never
No, it doesn't make them bite. It makes a 50" fish real easy to find and relentlessly target until it bites. Especially in smaller class "A" in the northern part of the state. My personal opinion is that it's ffs isn't to blame. It's how people use it.
There's no way they could ban it. How in the world would they even police it? But I wish there were a way...
If this bill passes, most all current bass tournament organizations as we know will cease to exist in the state.
Good!
@pete956 that's a really sad attitude to have. I'm a member of a small bass club and the group is like family. Big boat or small, rich or poor, nobody cares we just get together and have fun fishing. Some us guys have the technology and others don't. Last year 2 tournaments of our 10 tournament schedule was won with ffs. Angler of the year didn't have it on his boat. People make this sound like the cheat code of bass fishing. It's not like the lakes down south here. When they're schooled up and suspended here there's ice over the top of their heads or bass fishing is closed for harvest. It's not like we can have a tournament in the winter and park over their head with a jerkbait, unless you wanna cut through the ice with a chainsaw to try and launch a boat.
Tournaments ruin fishing.
Sounds good to me
I’ve said it a bunch…. I agree 110% with Randy about banning FFS from fishing tournaments. I do NOT agree that it should be banned from private use. The Imperial Federal Government cannot do anything right. We fo not need any more government regulations in our lives. If fishermen cannot use FFS responsibly, then the sport will suffer. The Bass fishing industry needs to regulate its own here, not the government.
DNR will decide when we see the results of FFS on our fisheries. Not necessarily state legislatures. If it does no harm nothing much will happen. If it does harm the DNR's will step in. Especially in states where recreational fishing is a huge part of the economy. Even Florida or Texas. Too much money being made by tourists who fish or the locals.
Randy I do agree it should be very limited in pro bass fishing but no state is going to tell me as a rec angler if I can use it or not good luck catching me
This is great Randy.. Hope they catch more people spotlighting B.A.S.S. than deer.
That would limit pro tournaments fishing in that state, because the rest of the states ain’t gonna do no stupid shit like that
I may disagree with alot of stuff Randy says but i would never "ban" him from anything. Banning is bullshit
Bad idea.
You never tell where you get your facts
lol there is no impact on any fisheries
Absolutely rediculous
If you open the box…..don’t complain about what jumps out
If this gets up what’s next?
Just because we may own a live scope doesn’t mean it magically make fish hungry, makes fish bite, etc. sure can we see them yes, but at the end of the day when we can see them and their not hungry we’re sol just like the next guy
Exactly. I have witnessed hundreds of fish on my mega live come up to my minnow look at it and swim away. It does not make them bite.
Crappies on small lakes have been fished the hell out of because of live sonar. Ban it
Foward facing sonar isn't ruining the sport. Guys like this are!!!
Literally just got a email from tackle warehouse for ffs lol 🤦♂️
Like we all know FFS is going to continue to advance at a rapid pace. It’s going to have to come down to each states DNR to regulate it.
I think the FFS should only be banned in tournament's and can still be used during prefishing days. Weekend anglers should still be able to use it and keep fish they catch up to the state regulated limit . IMO.
Out of my cold dead hands
The 360 thing just confuses me. It’s been out now for what 8 years give or take 360 only shows you what’s around you it doesn’t show you fish moving in real time no one is blowing tournaments out of the water with 360 either
@randyblaukatintuitive There is a really good way to deal with people like you to, it doesn't take a a lot of effort to simply report anglers who are sponsored by Garmin, Hummingbird, and Lowarance to these respective companies speaking badly about their products on these social media platforms. It would be absolutely hysterical watching these companies stripping their sponsorships, and repossessing their products from these anglers. And almost overnight, many of you would become humble very quick. Many of you wouldn't be so pro if it was all coming out of your own pocket now would it? BIG SMILE! BE WELL!
As a WI resident and in my low 40’s and a user of livescope I can tell this will not happen. The younger generation will lose complete interest if you take away technology, it one of the biggest reasons why the sport has grown! I do agree on adjusting bag limits but not taking away technology. Theirs a huge learning curve with FFS sonar. It takes several years and a lot of patience to use properly. That being said probably less than 50% of the people who have it utilize it properly.
The Wisconsin DNR is losing money due to less people going fishing and hunting. Their response is to raise fees , institute more regulations, and ban technology? Looks like the liberal govt of wi is caving in to the “Karen’s” and soon there will be even less people who will desire to fish and hunt.
If you order a new livescope unit on tackle warehouse and put in Randy's code would it shut the whole website down?????
Hopefully it will brick all the FFS units sold there. LOL!
Now people will vote on having any bass tournaments too. Vote on 300 hp motors, spot lock, 2D and side scan. STOP IT ALL. STOP FISHING ALTOGETHER SO THE LIBERAL AND DEMOCRATS CAN RUN EVERY ASPECT OF YOUR LIFE.
No. None of that will happen. But FFS should 100% be banned.
Isn't happening and here is why. The Dormant Commerce Clause and its Purpose:
The Dormant Commerce Clause is a principle derived from the U.S. Constitution's Commerce Clause (Article I, Section 8, Clause 3). This clause grants Congress the power to regulate commerce "among the several States." Over time, the Supreme Court has interpreted this to mean that states can't enact laws that unfairly burden interstate commerce, even if they apply equally within their borders.
The Dormant Commerce Clause prevents states from creating economic barriers between each other and ensures a national marketplace.
How the Sonar Ban Could Violate the Dormant Commerce Clause:
There are two main ways a Wisconsin ban on forward-facing sonar could be challenged under the Dormant Commerce Clause:
Discriminatory Effect:
Even if the ban applies to everyone in Wisconsin, it could be discriminatory if it disproportionately impacts out-of-state businesses.
For instance, imagine the forward-facing sonar industry is primarily outside Wisconsin. A ban on this equipment could unfairly burden these out-of-state companies by limiting their market and potentially leading to job losses.
The law would have to be analyzed to see if it specifically targets out-of-state businesses or products, but even an even-handed law could be challenged if it disproportionately impacts interstate commerce.
Undue Burden on Interstate Commerce:
A state law can be challenged if it creates an undue burden on interstate commerce, regardless of whether it discriminates against out-of-state businesses.
Here's how this might play out in the sonar ban scenario:
The state of Wisconsin would argue that the ban is necessary to conserve fish populations, a legitimate state interest.
Opponents of the ban would likely argue that it's an excessive restriction on interstate commerce for several reasons:
The high cost of sonar might already prevent many in-state anglers from affording it, so the ban wouldn't necessarily level the playing field.
There might be alternative fishing methods that don't require sonar, making a complete ban unnecessary.
The sonar industry would likely argue that the ban hurts their business and restricts the free flow of goods (sonar equipment) across state lines.
Courts would consider these arguments and weigh the state's interest in protecting fish against the burden placed on interstate commerce. The ban could be struck down if the burden is deemed excessive compared to the state's interest.
Examples of Similar Cases:
There have been past Supreme Court cases that illustrate the Dormant Commerce Clause in action:
Baldwin v. G. A. F. Seelig, Inc. (1931): A New York law that favored in-state dairy farmers was found to violate the Dormant Commerce Clause because it discriminated against out-of-state milk producers.
CTS Corp. v. Dynamics Corp. of America (1982): An Indiana law that required a certain percentage of a company's board of directors to be Indiana residents was struck down because it placed an undue burden on interstate commerce by making it more difficult for companies to merge or acquire out-of-state businesses. Good Luck! It isn't happening! The state of Wisconsin doesn't have the authority to ban livescope. GOOD LUCK, I will be discussing this with Tom Tiffany on Monday!!!
FFS is destroying our fisheries
@@randyblaukatintuitive your attitude is destroying the community, you better be careful what you preach. If they ever banned FFS BECAUSE it was hurting fisheries guess what else hurts fisheries and would be next? TOURNAMENTS!!
@@randyblaukatintuitive You're aboslutely full of shit specifically if your talking about WIsconsin waters. Muskies for example are selectively stocked in certain counties regardless of funding for tourism. I sat on the board of directors meeting for muskies inc in Janauary and proved it to them. Onedia county rarely receives less then 50% of alloting fish per acre versus say Adams County receiving less then 25%, or Ashland county only getting 3 stockings in the last 26 years. So can we dispense with the bullshit already?
@@randyblaukatintuitive No it's destroying your ability to win.
@@bryanwiitala8854 it’s not about me. It’s about the future sustainability of our sport and the heritage and tradition of it. I realize 20% of the population cannot grasp that concept.
unfortunately, lobbyists could impact these decisions at state level. it happens with everything.
Just having a discussion with some one here in Wisco about this exact news. Question 22 on the WDNR website.
I’m in GB
I agree with banning live scope. I can't use thermal imaging for deer hunting. How is livescope any different?
They are exactly the same, you are hunting both species but in different environments. Not everyone practices catch and release. Many people's goal is to fill their freezers, not catch and release. If DNR limits electronics for harvesting species on land, why not for harvesting in water? @@CAN43725
Forward facing sonar does not make fish bite. I use mine to find structure and drop offs. You mentioned “meat hunters” having this and it negatively effecting the fish population. Perhaps bag limits should be lowered. They have been too high for years. Maybe there should be more education on fish handling and catch and release. Maybe it should be illegal to fish in depths that will cause barotrauma unless you intend to keep. Maybe you shouldn’t be able to leave your shack on the same crappy hole all winter. FF sonar seems to be getting the blame placed on it for poor choices made by everyone.
Good for them. That’s what I love about Texas!
Great!!
Is that a graph I see on the bow of your boat?
Depth thermometer
In tournaments sure fine, but banning by law state wide? That's a no for me...
As a WI resident, if they really wanted to conserve the fisheries they should lower all limits and make window slots for keepable fish for all bodies of water. Simply put, theres more people fishing now then ever and the human population is only going to keep growing while the fishing areas stay the same. Ban livescope but also ban all the tournaments as well as we know they aren't healthy for the fisheries and now days there's tournaments 4 days of the week if not more. So are we really making decisions for preserving the fisheries? Lol
I agree.
agreee i find it kind of strange this went to the public? maybe they are using it more like a survey?
send one to North Carolina!
I see no link. Hmmm.
If BASS or MLF wants to BAN something than fine. I don't have any rights at my job when my plant makes a policy I don't like I just have to follow it. This is America and the people should get to Vote on initiative issues though. That is a Right. I live in WA state and our government has been doing this for several years now. It has turned our state into a crap hole. If you don't believe me, come and visit. My comment got deleted shortly after I posted it originally. Hopefully it doesn't get deleted this time.
What ever became of that new tournament trail you were talking about a few months back?
Was no trail it was a single event. A very large event with massive payouts but still just a one off.
Banning something like this is un-American. Putting some tournament regulations on it...sure. I'm not about taking things away from ppl. Not to mention banning only affects law abiding sportsman.
Bingo! The people who are keeping all the fish are going to do it after a ban aswell
Maybe have your cake and eat it too? Have tournaments where FFS is legal and then have tournaments where it is not legal. I understand the purists that want to keep the sport as it has been for decades. But i see how tech will move things forward as it always does. This would not be the first professional competition to do so.🤔
Great news! Hopefully Missouri will be next.
Absolute total disaster to have a state ban on FFS. The next thing they will ban is the outboard motor and then the barbed hook! Get ready for the end of bass fishing!
That's ridiculous.
@@jedmeadows6226 not really. Many Canadian lakes ban barbed hooks. There are many small lakes that ban outboard motors. Never under estimate what the “cancel culture” can do.
Theres so many people fishing these days, banning live and 360 is not the answer. The answer is reducing the limits of fish. Only thing gonna happen from livescope ban is that no national tourney trails will go to Wisconsin and they will lose money from tourney anglers. Which may be good in short term, i think tournaments should be limited on a body of water like x tourneys a month.
But even if livescope were banned, theres still so many people fishing that have learned how to catch previously unknown fish…..the populations will still be caught even without scope. They Gotta change the keeper allowances of crappie and certain fish
Outstanding...DNR should make the call IMHO...
Bunch of cry babies
More government isn't the answer 😢. Look at our country as it is.
But less technology is the answer. In this stressful, crazy, and high tech world we live in today, we should be spending our time in the woods and on the water getting back to nature. Away from technology. A simpler life as well.
@robertlewis3116 I agree, but once the government gets involved, it doesn't stop.
A self governed people is best.
Our country seems pretty good to me right now
@TheGnthreman
I do agree that we need less government. For sure. Cheers
@@randyblaukatintuitive just be glad that you are in an area where that is true. Some of us live in areas that have been drastically impacted by illegal immigration and our resources are being decimated by people who don’t care. In Fl if you are illegal, you pretty much get a free pass to exploit the land however you see fit. Our country isn’t pretty good, it’s only a matter of time before they make it to your area.
Ahh yes, you don't want it to be up for a vote. You just want to government to come in and ban it. It's hard to quantify the number of horrible things that have happened and that will continue to happen because of that mentality. 😠
The private sector obviously doesn’t have the discipline it needs with FFS so someone has to be the adult in the room
"Adult in the room" is so worn out Randy. We know you mean "people who agree with me" when you say that.
@@brian9670 no I mean people with critical thinking skills
Auburn university is doing a study on my home lake Neely Henry lake in Alabama.every tournament fisherman knows this already 60%of the bass that die on this lake are caught weighed in .1% is eaten 8% are caught and released after catching.Guntersville lake had a big tournament last week and there were hundreds of bass where killed.I love bass fishing and tournament fishing but ffs is not the problem.if 60% of the bass that die on this lake was being killed by some chemical Some company spilt in this lake the government would be all over them.if tournament fishing would go to weigh and release or take a picture of length the number of fish and weigh would triple in just a few years.a while back you done a video on how lakes are not what they once were well there it is
I’m still waiting on one of those reports that shows how FFS is affecting fisheries. There’s been a lot of them done in the past 2 years.
It hasn't been adopted widely enough to have really affected many fisheries, yet. But it has the potential to get there if left unchecked.
It's an actually helping fisheries . Everyone is leaving the shallow water bass alone
Just like side imaging more than half the people have no clue how to utilize it! Theirs a huge learning curve and most won’t put the time in to use it correctly . Just be responsible with it!
@@jonnycieslak People aren't responsible with guns or drugs. How can we rely on them to be responsible for FFS? This country is full of people who wreck everything.
@@BlobRob787 very true! But more people than not are responsible. To me it’s no different than the technology of scopes that changed in years, you can shoot deer from 500 yards.. no one’s complaining about that!? The only reason this is getting traction is because the tournament anglers are bitching about it! The regular weekend warrior could care less! If there was no tournaments no one would give a shit .
What happened at the tournament?
he had trouble with his ffs
How would you enforce this if put into effect? A livescope transducer will simply unscrew.
This is not a bill. This is a question for a public opinion survey. If enough people oppose it. It might make it to a bill. However opinion based legislation is not good. And all the limit reduction laws are not based in science. But from the opinion of guys who can't catch fish. And they opened the closed bass season to catch and release fishing. The problem is that the dnr doesn't want to pay to stock lakes anymore. And they continue to stock lakes with no reproduction. Cut stocking, then some guy from Sanford comes up with a study. How there is less fish than 50 years ago. They are also changed walleye limits to target first year spawning females. Imo the Wisconsin dnr is doing a horrible job. I let know too. The panfish regs do need adjustment. Guys just pound them through the ice
Great news to hear keep fighting the fight!
That's some good news and this to Ohio please!!
That’s great news!
Ban all electronics for fishing down scan side imaging it all locates where fish are at that’s where a good lawyer will start with your ridiculous obsession with FFS let’s ban all magazines that hold more than three rounds for your self and home defense firearms to protect yourself and family you are exactly what’s wrong with this country you are so sad.
Anti livescope people are getting all excited but ban is never going to pass. It only takes one citizen to ask the question for debate. There is also a question about banning letting cats outside because of the impact on the bird population.😂 There won’t be a ban on ffs.
I do believe you’re right. I feel like some of guys using ffs will eventually get burned out from using them and realize that it’s not fun anymore and hopefully return to fishing again. At least I hope so, I mean, that’s one of the reasons I go fishing in the first place. To get away from the modern world and return to nature. But maybe I’m just a strange dude.
Randy I support your Old School approach to a lot of things but can't say I am for this. I put it up there with the idea of banning lead ammunition. It's a bridge too far to have the government ban electronics on your fishing boat. The same things were said about 2D, Side imaging and high resolution DI. Fishermen adapt, the management agencies adapt and I believe nature adapts. We still have the same creel limits, and if it becomes problematic, then lower the creel limits. Adjust tournament bag limits to 3 fish, there are many creative ways to adapt IF we need to. Thank you for presenting your side of the argument, but please consider mine.
Serious question, if it comes down to it as a matter of conservation, would you rather have seasons imposed on bass fishing or restrictions on the types of electronics used?
@@Boethius411there's already seasons imposed on bass in wi. Up until a few years ago it was closed all winter. Now just catch and release year round until the first Saturday in May. During the catch and release season there is no tournaments allowed on inland waters. Our tournament season here is realistically May-Sept. All permitted tournaments in the mid summer the bag limit goes from 5 fish down to 3 fish to prevent fish kill. It's already heavily regulated and I agree with all of these regulations to protect fisheries up here. If they wanna lower bag limits again more power to them because that actually makes a difference. Less fish removed= more fish to catch and nobody argues that. There is zero published studies done here on ffs and the technology has been out and been used by ice fisherman here since panoptix was released in 2015. There is no actual evidence of any harm on wi bodies of water from ffs. Banning something on nothing but hearsay is just ignorant
@@joegreenwood6663 I disagree… I understand they are considering a move on ffs now in WI as well. I’m curious to see how that goes. I don’t think I like that idea too much but I. will stay tuned. Anyway… first I don’t want seasons imposed where I am. So if it came down to a choice between tech and that… I am where I am I guess. For the record though, I’m not in favor of outlawing it anywhere really. Ice fishing is very a particular situation also. I don’t get up that way much anymore and don’t get to do much of that. I’ve been like 3 times in my life. Lol… I know that you can flat do some damage if you’re on them though the way fish can stack up under the ice. I saw that the first time I went. So I can understand why they would have to slow it down. Panoptix was technically ffs I guess, but it’s not what my active target 2 is. It only looks forward. Technically you can point a 2 D cone in different directions too. I’d really think guys were doing that sort of thing through the ice a long long time ago actually. Anyway… Panoptix started it all, but It’s not the same kind of advantage as what the newer transducers give you. I’m still not sure Livescope is in enough recreational fishermen’s hands in most places to produce a lot of meaningful studies yet either. For the record I don’t want to see it become a matter of laws. I don’t even want it banned completely in tournaments. I want to see some reasonable limits on the pro circuit. We have seen plenty of advances in technology that made guys better. We have never seen anything that could advance guys skill sets by years though. This does. We are all watching it. I took my 9yo a while ago now and didn’t even fish myself. I was teaching him to cast a baitcaster so I just picked backlashes, scanned and told him where to try to cast. Sometimes he came close. Lol it was good enough to catch nearly 15 lbs of spotted bass and win a little 4 hour derby though. I had to be excited for him, but I felt really odd about it. I’m not great with it either. I just know when you get that blob as bright as it will get, cast right there. Lol We are seeing, especially in trophy crappie lakes, reports that it is effecting the numbers of specifically bigger fish. That’s because guys used to go and they kept the limit they caught. Now they’re able to to specifically target the biggest fish. They aren’t keeping limits with a few giants and mostly 10 inchers anymore. They are bagging limits of all giants. We had a situation where the genetic health of lakes was really hurt back when everyone mounted their trophies and threw the little ones back “to grow up.” There are more big fish in the lakes I fish now than when I was a teenager. I’m convinced of that. No matter what Randy Blaukat says about the good old days. Lol I’m also convinced that getting rid of the “big enough to keep” mentality and guys mounting everything north of 6-7lbs is why. Not every fish has the genetics to grow into a giant. Throwing the ones that do back really really improves a lake’s genetic makeup. If that’s already happening to big crappie populations, I want to change it before it gets any worse. For sure before it effects big bass populations. That’s all. In bass fishing all the trends trickle down from the pros. Set some limits already. Have some days in multiple day events where it isn’t used or something. Mix it up. It’s not good for the sport to de diversify the tactics so much anyway. Guys are doing nothing but this. To be in a group called the best of the best, you should be able to do it multiple ways anyway. Don’t make it illegal. Have some days or some events where it’s not used and keep some if you want too. Compromise makes sense. It’s a shame that the organizations let it become this polarizing before doing something anyway imo. One thing I don’t like is after the experience with my kid I realized. I worked hard to help get a youth program going back two decades ago. If boat captains are doing that for high schoolers… and you know they are. There is a lot we need to talk about as far as how things advance. Scholarships get awarded. College teams and paths into the top ranks get effected. It’s a damned mess that the tournament organizers should have been on already.
Banning hardware in a Vain effort to control behavior is reminiscent of the gun control mentality.
We need top lobbyists in WI
You forgot the key part of the same question which asks about the lowering of daily bag limits as a result of technology advancing. Most wi lakes are 25 panfish per day. Mississppi river is 15 per species of yellow perch, crappie, bluegill, and whitebass accounting for 60 fish total/day with twice the daily limit allowed in your possession/freezer. Up until a few years ago, you were allowed 25/ species a day on the Mississippi. Telling the 10% of anglers who own ffs they are the problem is an absolute joke. Limiting 100% of the fisherman to a lower daily bag will actually have a positive impact on the fisheries. You gripe about ffs but not about the 200 people a day keeping fish that use a flasher through the ice. Or the underwater camera where you can watch the fish eat, know when to set the hook, and select what panfish you can catch. All of those people are watching the same vulnerable panfish in real time but I hear crickets from the out of state peanut gallery. I can do the same thing as forward facing sonar by putting my ice ducer on my ice scoop and see schools of fish and how far i need to move. Guys have been finding brush by spinning a si transducer on a pole for years, which does the exact same thing as 360. Gps and mapping has ruined hundreds of peoples fishing spots over the years. People are blaming the new kid on the block for the decades of mismanagement that led to depleting fish populations. As ice fishing became more popular nothing has been done with the limits and the fisheries are slowly starting to see the effect. The wi department of no results (DNR) also allows spraying weeds that causes mass fish kills, reduced water clarity, and increased predation because the panfish have nowhere to hide. They do this to get rid of invasives but destroy the native species and fish in the process. Often times the invasives come back stronger due to lack of competition. Saying that we shouldnt have a vote on the matter is an absolute joke. As you've read above, wi citizens need to have a say to keep any government run agency in check. #dontbearandy aka the new karen of the fishing world
I agree with most of your statements. But you need to read the state of pool 4. Lake Pepin biologist puts it out every year. According to it there was no scientific evidence to lower walleye limits on the Mississippi River. Yet both states did. I am also under the impression that the limit used to be 25 panfish. No matter what species in aggregate. Now you can keep 45. But only 15 of each. Guys go nuts for perch.
@johnmiller5987 I used to think the same thing about the Mississippi panfish regs. I used to go over there ice fishing over there in desoto and leave when I got a mix bag of25 if i decided to keep a limit. I was blown away when I got corrected by a local and read the regulations myself. It was listed in the special regs by body of water in the back of the book. It was different then the regular 25 combined total of the rest of the state. It was 25 per species until they changed the regulations on pools 3-9 in 2020. Below is a peice from when it was announced in the milwaulkee journal.
"Panfish anglers on the Mississippi will also want to take note. Beginning this year on Pools 3 to 9 the daily bag limit of bluegills, yellow perch, pumpkinseed sunfish and crappies is reduced to 15 each.
The rest of the Mississippi retains a 25 fish daily bag limit for each of the panfish species."
Randy keep your pants on, it was a citizen petition, as a resident of Wisconsin the DNR never listens to the voters.
Seriously, what a crock?
Not happening but it’s nice to see you smile about something again Randy.
Ban all fish locators
Even if they ban it, theres no way they have the resources to control it. Even if you get caught using livescope the worse you will get is a fine. Theres not enough money to regulate it. We have fishing regulations in place for how many fish you can keep. If livescope is a problem then make the limit smaller. Dont just ban something because you dont like it.
Thank you
It's not because they don't like it Der Der it's because it's makes it watchin a fish eat yer lure easy to catch a limit consistently an they don't want their good fisheries which are a large part of the states attraction an added income to go to shit let that sink in👍
An they could regulate it just like they do fishin license large fine first offense possible fishin license suspension or revoked
@@CATCHSUM9858 Then they should make the fish limits smaller. Banning it is not the solution. There are other ways to protect fish rather than just banning a technology
@@CATCHSUM9858there’s already a limit on how many you can keep
I’ve been asking a lot of questions because of thing I don’t know but I do know this if it’s put on a ballot the people of Wisconsin will be Abel to vote on this issue so it’s it is the people speaking not the government
Gee Wisconsin just lost big tournaments!
About time.
Yes, senator Ron Johnson? My name is Clifton Pemble, I am CEO of Garmin electronics. I have heard some rumblings about our products, especially our Forward Facing Sonar units being banned in your state. We know how big of an outdoorsman state Wisconsin is, and our investors are worried about how this will effect the fisherman of your state by banning a product already used in almost all major fishing tournaments. We hope that you look into this matter with the upmost care and consideration.
Tell Your "Investors " to "Invest" elsewhere.....You are not hurting by this possible ban, it's the $$ that drives GREED.
When is enough, enough???
Find another market for Your product....in other words, KICK ROCKS, DUDE.
Ffs should be banned
Your killing the sport of local tournaments
@@tonymontes8840 You're correct, but obviously you don't know where the money is that is driving the want of the ban now do you?
You guys juat have too much time on your hands.....once you let government in...they stay!
Zero chance that ban goes into effect. Put away the ‘Mission Accomplished’ banner Randy.
There’s a zero percent chance a ban doesn’t go in place
Steadily asking for "more Government" and more laws! Absolutely absurd!
Absurd is a dozen boats following the crappie school everywhere they move and filling the livewell. I've watched it! To me, it's pathetic. FFS will eventually affect fishing in lakes at some point when every boat has it on it.
Better put the brakes on now is my thoughts. Where I live, crappie limits were 15 in the 80's, then went to 10. Now, pretty much any great crappie lake has a limit of 5, and the size is usually not impressive.
More people fishing + FFS = trouble
Freaking awesome for who? Who will be stepping up to buy all those electronic units from the anglers presently owning them? Gotta be careful of the effects of a ban.
I understand your concern. We will offer a buy back for $50 per complete unit to be fair.
@@midnightcamaro whatever. Just thinking about the investments made. FYI, I dont own FFS. Cant afford it. lol
@@timjarrold6418 I understand, I was being sarcastic. It wouldn't be the first time they sold you something, and later said you can't have it.
That's their problem. Should have never bought that shit in the first place!
@@gregkuhn7123 typical sheep
I fish on a 1700-1800 acre lake and I have heard people say that you used to catch 4-5 lb largemouth consistently. (No spots or small mouth in this lake) Now they’re saying to catch a 5 or 6 lber, you have to use FFS to find them. There are a lot of club tournaments, kayak tournaments ect. A lot of fishing pressure and then your fun fishermen, majority using FFS. We have 2D. No side scan or any other electronics. We just enjoy fishing old school and waiting for that bite and trying to figure out a pattern. That is what makes it exciting. Only been fishing this lake for almost 5 years. Starting our 5th season. I don’t fish when the temperature is below 45. Lol.
But this is the beginning of hopefully what the fisheries are seeing long term. You know the electronic companies are going to be “lobbying” all the politicians so it doesn’t get banned. This is my opinion only.
If this passes then they should have a buy back program like they have for other things, may not have to give cash but gift cards to basspro would be nice.
Or maybe not ban it all together but for harvest.
And 360 isnt as bad as live scope, 360 is delayed you cant watch fish eat baits.
Then they should also ban game/trail cams, and no scopes on any weapons. Isnt that basically the same.
Not only that other sports have rules against performance enhancing drugs, wouldn't FFS be considered a performance enhancer.
To me. Sending out a drone that has a rifle attached to find and kill the biggest deer on the woods is the same thing. I don’t think people understand how significant this tech is and that the line will need to be drawn somewhere. Down the road we might be able to send a ping across the whole lake that’ll give you waypoints to the biggest bass in the lake. Is that okay? Line has to be drawn somewhere this is hardly fishing at this point . Just my opinion
It could also be considered a type of performance enhancer for tournament fishing
You can legally scout whitetails with a drone in wi thanks to the wisconsin department of no results.....
@@joegreenwood6663dept of no results. lol good one. Also like “D”o “N”othing “R”ight. “D”am “N”ear “ R”ussian.
I'm not for banning. Maybe a limit on some things but a full ban is not the American way. No matter how you see it Randy B.
I live in Wisconsin and support just plain regular sonar.
I live in Wisconsin and I support birch bark canoes and cane poles. Good luck with that also. I also would accept a dug out canoe but I know the “tree huggers” would probably be up in arms and would probably “cancel “ that idea and get that outlawed also.
dude heck yes we need more birch bark canoes, ive never seen one before, we could plant birch trees to support this idea, I'm all for it. You could start a business out of it Randy. I bet it would sell well. @@randyjamesrobertson
This is for all the young anglers out there - some day there will come a time when you get fed up with change. When this day happens you can officially call yourself an old fart/grumpy old man/etc.... Until then we can agree to disagree respectfully. Now for my take on FFS - I say let your knowledge of bass behavior, experience on the water, and your rod and reel do the talking - not a piece of technology. Like it or not it is the truth - you are playing video games out there on the water. It is like watching a bunch of zombies just standing there waiting for that one blip on the screen to commit to your lure.
I have promised myself that when im old i will adapt. The old timers are miserable
Integrate Apple vision with live scope
People act like they don't like technology but they surround themselves with it. Don't pretend like you don't like all the technological advancements when you're living in the luxuries of them. Most guys who have ffs are guys who spend more time on the water and have already shown they could catch fish. There are not many new fishermen that decide they're gonna go spend a couple thousand dollars on a graph that they probably don't even know how to set up. CZcams was once a dumb website kids would go on to watch random videos and yet here we are. Take it from a middle aged guy who sees both sides of the argument. Embrace technology. Like it or not, you do like it lol..
@@mouaem1 I am an old (72) former fishing guide (35 years) and you are so right. The only depth finder I had for twenty years was my fishing pole. I was taught by my father and grandfather (both guides) how to (read the water). Today even though I have those skills, I embrace new technology and love it. Technology does not make fish bite. It is a tool. Some people have only a pair of vise grips and a screwdriver for tools. Some people have a complete snap on tool box. Both can turn a nut. Should we ban the snap on tool box. Lol
Watch the Bilge podcast w Steve Kennedy...
Not a WI resident & only fished there once 61 years ago so no expert on their laws. Historically the northern part of WI has had more restrictive fishing regulations than the southern half tier of the state. Was fairly recent that trolling has been made legal in the norther tier of WI. So in my mind banning FFS & 360 should be a no brainer! I agree with you Randy & the sentiment of the @brian9670's post below this one on big $ weighing into this decision. FFS will do the state's beloved Northwoods fisheries in! It's a lot of very small & medium sized natural lakes. Thanks for the encouraging news! I feel at least the northern tier will ban it & hopefully state wide & we knows its undetermined.
you mean the rest of the state and the majority of funding going to the northern waters for tourism and the DNR largely ignores the rest of the state.
No. I meant different rules/regulation such as no trolling up north until fairly recently like within the last 5-8 years I forget exactly@@bryanwiitala8854