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- We give a tour of how we used tablets and apps to design a navigation system for our Hatters Yacht.
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Our Story:
My name is Ed, I am an ex-muscian, turned politician, turned tax account, who now imagines himself a sea-captain. Lyn, is an ex-model, turned photographer and the love of my life.
We have spent the last three years traveling on our 65' Hatteras Yacht and it has been terrifying. We have faced down storms, been stranded at sea, towed off shoals and run aground by careless boaters.
But it has been magical as well. We have explored places known only by those who travel by water, met incredible people along the way, and learned so much about boating - and even more about ourselves.
And to think - until three years ago, Lyn, and I, never even owned a boat.
We met when we were 21. I was a starving musician, on my way To Los Angeles to starve some more. Lyn was a model, waitressing tables and dreaming of adventure. We went on our first date to the Jersey Shore, and spent the night on a boat her father was restoring. That date has never ended.
We traveled the country together, and settled for a few years in Hollywood, where she discovered her love for photography, and I discovered that music was not going to be my career. We put down roots in Bucks County Pennsylvania. We built a house together, raised three children and became your typical American family. She opened a photography business and I opened an accounting firm.
On a vacation to Key West, we met a woman who lived on her boat. She had been an emergency room nurse for many years but decided she had had enough. She sold everything, bought a boat and sailed to Florida. We were fascinated. It seemed so romantic, so us. The seed was planted.
Flash forward a few years and the children are grown. Lyn retired from photography and sold her business. And me, well, I was only working three months out of the year and looking for a new adventure.
So, we bought our first boat. A Carver 355. No experience, and completely clueless. We hired a captain to bring us to our local marina and we were determined to learn how to operate her. We practiced in an empty marina for a couple of days and then, we just went for it! We figured, if we liked boating as much as we imagined, we would trade up to our dream boat. Two years later we did just that.
This video vlog is our story. Boating has become our passion. We invite you to share this journey with us, as we explore the waterways of the Atlantic and Carribean, having the time of our lives, while "Trying Not To Sink."
Cheers!
Ed and Lyn
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Y'all are living my dream. Do so enjoy your videos, the ups and downs and all in between. Also really enjoy the technical explanations, and how you have upgraded or modified systems. The Bahamas trip was very enjoyable. Your boat is perfect for the crossing. Not sure I'd try it in the smaller Carver, but people do. The photography is great and especially the mapping scenes of where you are heading. Being a Chesapeake Bay person your presentations are especially inviting. Keep shooting on youtube and I'll keep watching and clicking.
Using the Ipad with the Navionics boating app, and a Bad ELF lightning plug (if you have the non cellular Ipad version), it will give you GPS position off shore where there is no internet. You can also buy one small chartplotter 9" screen type (low Cost) giving you the new technology so you can link to the autopilot and engine instruments, and then link the data to your ipad through NMEA 2000 backbone with a "Digital Yacht Navlink-2" system. We also keep one IPAD in the stateroom with an anchor watch app linked to NMEA through the Navlink-2. This allows us to be able to check the boat at night to make sure we are not dragging anchor as well as to check the wind. Lots of technology for way less than a new system.
Our Samsungs give us the GPS off shore as well. Yes, I forgot to mention that we can take the tablets to the stateroom, home, or anywhere else, to plan routes, etc. Getting one, small plotter to link up is a good idea.
Hi Ed thanks so much for all the information you provided on the carver. I'm from the area and I purchased my very first boat a 1999 350carver mariner. This will be my 2nd season and I only went out four times lol. I'm usually calm and collected but my nerves and anxiety kicks in . I will be going out a little more this season for more practice. It would mean a lot to me to get some pointers from you about the carvers. Thanks again ed, keep the videos coming 💯
Thanks Ed and Lyn!!
I love that tablet idea.
Thank you very much. On my Motor Yacht I upgraded to new Simrad, but my Navoincs is great. It interfaces with an array of electronics packages. I can jump between boats, and all the info is there. The best thing is the sonar mapping. If you go over an area thar has not been mapped or the sounding is outdated, it will take your soundings.
Thanks for sharing. We are very happy with our current system.
I also use Navionics on an iPad and find it to be a really good app. One word of warning: I discovered earlier this year in the Exumas that as well as not being waterproof as you pointed out, iPads also don’t like to get hot. I was following a route using the autopilot (I find autopilot routes helpful, although I was interested in your comments) and Explorer chart waypoints, so I put the iPad to sleep to conserve its battery and left it beside me on the (open) flybridge without really thinking about it being in direct sunlight. When we got near our destination, I tried to wake it up to use Navionics to zoom in as we approached one of the islands, and discovered that it wouldn’t wake - it had become too hot in the sunshine and needed to cool off before it would open again. Luckily, I had the paper Explorer chart and cruiser guide beside me and it was a pretty simple anchorage (the Garmin charts on the charter boat were hopeless for the Exumas), so no real problem, but a useful lesson for me and perhaps one reason for going for the expense of built-in marine quality electronics!
We had a similar problem with our I-pad. We would sometimes put a zip-lock bag with ice water behind it while we ran. We used mounts for the Samsung Tablets that allowed for airflow behind them and we have not had any problems.
I have experienced the same as you with accuracy. I love your ideas and I use the auto pilot just as you and I am going to make a set up as you did. Love it! Just what I was looking for.
We are glad the video was helpful! Thanks for watching.
I pretty much do the same thing on my boat. Navionics works great and I have a garmin 5212 as backup.
Good lord I love Navionics. Its so easy to plot your routes for the day with a ton of detail. You can even do it on your home PC and then open up Navionics on your phone or tablet and BAM! There it is. I have three fancy Garmins on 2 boats. And they are nice and make great back ups. But for ICW cruising you just cant beat Navionics IMO. You can also pull up Active Captain which is quite useful.
Couldn't agree more!
A gentleman and a scholar.
Great information. I dont have a boat but someone that does would find this handy. I just love the video's and watching you both drink. :-)
Thanks for watching!
thanks ed and lynn...allways good stuff...hope to meet you one day
Thanks for watching! See you on the water!
Another great video guys
Glad you enjoyed it
Hey Ed, Eric here from Tropical Horizons II. Our old Burger has a mix of different systems with the Garmin 7212 unit as our main navigation with a Fujitsu Lifebook (bought it used for $150, spent $100 on new batteries) running Coastal Explorer with vector, raster, and e-charts downloaded from NOAA (free). I then purchased a GPS USB radio that has great accuracy as it uses 3 satellite systems, USA, EUR, RUS which turn the dedicated Lifebook into a second Nav system. I have installed the Wifi Gateway from Yacht Devices, love it as it sends all information from GPS, Depth and instruments such as wind to the Lifebook and our Samsung tablet that is running Navionics. We do have a Simrad autopilot which is not on the N2K network and I use it the same way you do. We also have a great old school Furuno radar which I love, it isn't sexy and I need to use my head a bit, but it is rock solid and anyone I speak to who have had these old units and removed them, regretted their decision. No radar data will not be displayed on the Garmin but at the end of the day, once you get used to using it, you can easily see what is on the plotter. Back to the Lifebook vs. Navionics. Coastal Explorer is more expensive than Navionics, but it does satisfy all legal requirements to carry charts onboard as it uses official NOAA or Transport Canada Charts (we travel in both countries). The Navionics charts, although very good do not, most people are unaware of this. I am still working on integrating the systems together so that I can plot a chart on one and have it show up on all units, I can sync between my tablet and notebook but not the Garmin (not yet) We also have and AIS 600 from Garmin as well which is also linked via N2K. Message me if you want to learn more about what I have had success with and I can send you the details. Love the channel and watching your videos. I have a crude walk through of TH II on our channel otherwise you'll see our Sea Ray, which we just sold about a month ago. Cheers and Fair winds!
Sounds like a good system. We definitely want to install a wifi gateway. We are looking at the Chetco to convert our analog gauges to digital.
@@tryingnottosink9107 Why the digital gauge route? Are you looking at integrating a glass dash concept? We only have a single helm station to worry about, and I am in the process of switching out the old mechanical oil and gearbox pressure gauges with electric ones, we had an oil line failure that I was able to overcome because the rupture occurred in the engine room, however, if it had occurred in a cable chase between the helm and the engine room, we would have been in a real jam with a bigger mess to clean up. I've checked out the Chetco site, looks interesting, let us know what direction you are going in. This is fun stuff.
Hello there. I just stumbled across your video. In south Florida there is a company named Max Marine Electronics, they deal in pretty much primarily used marine electronics. Not only is customer service the best hands down because they know pretty much everything about legacy electronics like the Furuno Navnet or the AP25 at your helm, but they also have any of the older replacement parts that keep your older electronics running, to prevent needing to do a complete refit. They also buy the electronics you take off your boat when you do a refit, to recycle and reman those parts for another boater in need. It's worth a quick Google search.
Thanks for the info. We'll check them out.
Nice video on the tablets what a great idea.👍
Glad you liked it!
Tablets work fine for fair weather boaters. The software does work well. I would recommend building out an NMEA2k backbone and utilizing one of the N2k - wifi devices (I'm partial to the NEMO device from Coastal Explorer + a wifi router). Adding devices to your N2k network would start providing some great data to your tablets. This could include your engine data (if your engines are compatible), fuel sensor data, wind, AIS, etc. The NavNet VX2 you have was an amazing device in it's day. Once you decide to replace it then the a new device could pass much of that data on to the N2k network and/or wifi network. I always recommend my commercial folks have a 'real' piece of marine electronics on board that they can rely on 'just in case'.
We definitely believe in redundancy. We have 2 Furunos, 4 tablets and 2 Galaxy Note 10s on board. Each one can be used to plot if needed.
Love it!
Thanks!!
Enjoy your videos and safe travels
Thanks for watching!
Totally agree with everything you say. I would keep a spare tablet (you already have three) if only using one. The waterproofing is really the only important con. Navionics is great to work with, as long as you make sure to upgrade to new charts before loosing internet, when you go long distances into new areas where your previous charts doesn't reach... (Don't ask me how I know!) 😉
Yes, we have done that before! Fortunately, one of the backup tablets from the year before had the maps downloaded.
Its funny that over the last 20 years I have always had two units at the helm on my last 4 boats due to safety, cruising in fog, cruising at night and navigation (1 radar, 1 plotter). Today I have one unit at each helm and only use for radar and use IPADS for navigation (both Navionics and Aquamaps). Times are changing.
Sailing Vessel Freedom I like your Kis approach
Ed L you can add the last “s” for stupid....lol
We really like our current set up. It is flexible and has tons of redundancy. Although, I am thinking about getting a bigger tablet.
When I bought Kika in 2017 she too had outdated and malfunctioning electronics. I looked at Garmin and Simrad packages but it was more than I wanted to spend, so I did what you've done: I mounted a SurfacePro tablet on the port side of the pilothouse creating a dedicated nav station, and downloaded Navionics and Coast Explorer navigation programs. CE is a nav program that resides in the tablet, so no concerns about whether I remembered to download that day's trip into Navionics. To this set up I added a 19" Furuno monitor I found on Ebay. To make the connection, I ran an HDMI cable (USB at the tablet end) to the DVI input on the back of the Furuno. The monitor is located front-and-center so everyone can follow along without crowding the limited viewing available on the tablet PC. Total cost for this upgrade was under $3000 :)
Sounds like a great setup! We want to add a bigger monitor to our system as well.
I don't know if someone else mentioned this already, but Furuno makes a digital radar that uses wifi and can send to your tablet. We just took possession of a boat with outdated/non-working electronics. I had been thinking of spending the big bucks to replace it all, but like you, I have been using my Samsung tablet instead. Your video is now making me think more serious about just going with tablets. A big PRO for me is that if the tablet quits, it is easy and inexpensive to replace it. I had an expensive MFD die just out of warranty and it would have been $3000 to replace.
Thanks for the info. I'll look into that.
Talk about instructions straight outta Harvard.lol.damn that was a good video.I need to watch that one again...right on.👍😃
Thanks. Glad you liked the video.
Great job thanks
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this video. An interesting approach for sure. I am in the process of shopping for / purchasing a boat that will also be older and probably will have older electronics. Does the tablet that you have Navionics running on have to be connected to the internet while you are running or does it just have to have a cellular antenna for communication with the satellites. Thanks in advance for your help. 🇨🇦
As a confirmation to your methodology and thought process, I have been using Navionics on a 13" IPad PRO and it works very well. Having a big screen for pennies compared to a full system is cost effective. I am a fair weather sailor so for anyone else who is as well, then it is the way to go IMHO. My last Navionics renewal was only something like $25. Navionics now has a couple of new overlays as well that shows depth shading. I am a fan, needless to say. My only issue is keeping the Ipad Pro charged as that big screen gobbles up the battery power.
Sure, you kin put all sortsa info on one display, but lor' help ya when it goes south. Love separability and the potential to pop any sorts of info on any display.
Hey Ray---Wire up a 12v marine cigarette plug in the cockpit near the ipad, and just use a car adapter plug set up to power the ipad. On my sail boat I have cigarette plug in the cockpit and one at the nav station. You can use those to charge or run IPADs, computers (with an inverter plug), portable hand held GPS's and all kinds of stuff.
We definitely believe in redundancy. We have 2 Furunos, 4 tablets and 2 Galaxy Note 10s on board. Each one can be used to plot if needed. And charging ports at each helm.
Subbed up on the name alone.
Ed,
We had purchased a (1995) (45’) Hatteras in Liberty Landing and sailed it back to SW Florida. Several stops that we made appeared in your videos as well.
We have been to Liberty Landing a couple times on our Carver. Great view of Manhattan!
That was awesome for those of us that don’t know. Probably saved someone thousands with this vid. Thank you. Can’t know everything! CZcams is helping me tho. Ha. Great channel!
Glad it was helpful!
I did the same on ny trawler for the same reasons... I run Navionics on one tablet and Aquamaps on the other. I did add nmea wifi so I get depth, AIS, and wind data on the tablets.
I am hoping to add AIS and WIFI later this year.
Great videos Ed & Lynn....
Question, what do you use as a wifi or cell provider booster/extender? I have Verizon and run into areas on the TN river that I do not have coverage ...
Thanks....
Jim
We do not have a cell phone booster but it is probably a good idea. We do have a "Halo" wifi extender mounted on the arch.
iPads work great..Garmin does have a small WIFI gps puck that works alot better than cell towers
great intro , ed..
Glad you like it!
At first I was disappointed there was no Lynn in this episode.... and then at the very end she came through with a ROGER OUT!! Yay!
You made Lyn smile with that comment!
Good for the boater who hugs the coastline, travels mostly via day hops, and enjoys internet access. The tablets don't have GPS for that price, so how does Navionics source a position when offshore or in the islands & absent cell service? For serious cruising - overnight passages, longer runs - an interfaced autopilot is safer & easier.
The tablets do have GPS built in. As do our phones. We download all the maps ahead of time so we do not need to rely on cell or internet service. We also have two Furunos on board as well, but we prefer Navionics, and mainly use the Furunos for radar. We recently added AIS which is also on the tablets.
Who did your throttle conversion? Did you do that yourself? I have a 2008 with the two sets of sticks and I find the throttle controls less than great, would love to convert to digital! Thanks for this video, I'm going the Galaxy Tab A route for
Wow. Hard to believe I have been watching you guys for almost 3 years. Hey Ed sorry to ask again if you mentioned it but what is the transducer you used for the depth readings? I looked for it in your youtubes and did not find it. Also did you mount it in hull or thru hull? Really liked this vid and your presentation. Thanks.
3 years and you are not bored with us yet!!! We used the Sonarphone Transducer by Vexilar. We mounted it in the engine room. It works fine for us there. The only downside is it cannot read the water temperature.
I use an Apple Ipad for backup to my antiquated Raymarine chartplotters. Now I like it more. I keep tablet plugged in and the screen doesn’t go dark. You are exactly on with pros and cons. I do use autopilot to follow route because I cruise at 22 knots and like to keep right on my lubber line, so tablet not talking to autopilot is a big con for me. Your viewers should know that the ipad or tablet should be equipped with wifi and cell phone capability for gps to work. You don’t need a cellular plan but it has to be cell phone capable. Not sure why. You can get an external gps antenna for ipad but mine works great without, even in lower station.
Our Samsung Tablets work great without a GPS antenna as well. The furthest we have been is the Exumas, but never had a problem.
Hi Ed, I believe that updating the old gauges with digital screens would be a great upgrade for any old boat. The idea triggered me as well. You spoke of a wifi unit, what type or brand is it? Before I was thinking about DIY systems such as Arduino, but a more robust one should be much better. Happy to discuss:)
We just started to think about it, so I haven't done much research yet. Seems every time I am ready to do a fun project, a pain in the neck problem arises. Today was spent fixing a leaking seal on an air conditioner pump.
Hi Ed - great, cost effective setup! I assume you're getting your internet/WiFi via a cellular signal (since you mentioned you always have good signal in the IC & usually out to 5-10 miles offshore). That being said, what do you do when "island hopping" around the Caribbean or when in-between (open ocean)?
We rented a hot spot device when we went to the Bahamas. It is called "My Island Wifi" or something like that. It was unlimited and about $75 per month. Although I hear T-Mobile does the Bahamas as a regular service.
The Furuno may be old but as long as it (1) works and does what you need it to do and (2) is safe/accurate to use, then keep using it! That being said, due to being about 17 years old and you use it in bad weather as a safety measure, then go ahead and see about upgrading it or see if you can tie your radar into the tablets. You don't want to get into bad weather and need radar and have it not work. Redundancy is a good way to keep safe. ~~Armchair/Landlubber Advice~~
We definitely believe in redundancy. We have 2 Furunos, 4 tablets and 2 Galaxy Note 10s on board. Each one can be used to plot if needed.
I really like my Garmin Chartplotters. Their Autoguidence is awesome you can pick preferred depth overhead heights preference of distance from shore. The Garmin will then chart a course from your preferences.
Thanks for sharing!
Actually, an "inverter" changes DC into AC. A _buck converter,_ or a _step-down converter_ steps down a DC voltage, for example, 32 volts to 12 volts DC.
Tell me more about how you set up the depth sounder please.
There is a video about the install, around 2 years ago.
I wonder if the sonar has an alarm that if it sees you’re coming up to shallow water or you’re going to hit some thing ? Also I wonder why people don’t have a real good night vision camera installed so you can see at night on a screen
Is that Annapolis Maryland in your into?
there are cheap waterproof tablets, your video has convinced me to buy a second one, its a good idea to have a zoomed in and larger view running at the same time
I always try to have a close up view and a medium view.
Electronics are so AWESOME! Till the day you need them and nothing works! Enjoy Your Electronics
We keep paper maps on board. Not that I have ever used them. Hopefully I never will.
You mentioned having pretty good internet connectivity / access when cruising. Do you use a mobile hotspot or something else? Some info on how you get stable internet access would be very useful. Thx!
If we are in a marina with good wifi, we use that. We have a wifi extender on the arch. Otherwise, I use my phone (ATT) as a hotspot. When in the Bahamas we rent "My Island Wifi" which costs about $50 per month.
Check and see if you can get your engine inputs on the NMEA2000 network backbone... I did and then put a wifi coupler on NMEA2000 so now I can get pretty much anything remotely (iPhone/iPad (Android works as well) APP's) as well... Let me set alarms on engine parameters etc and it was not that expensive...
We would really like to do that. Hopefully later this year.
Greetings from FL. We have a MY as well. Home port Marco Island.
PS, my wife wants to know the intro song.
Hi. The intro song we used in 2019 was "Supernatural" by Jesse Villa. The year before it was " Budapest" by George Ezra
I have a flush mount Samsung tab A that has constant power in my lower helm. Was just looking at tablets for the upper helm using similar mounts to what you have. AIS is available that overlays on the navionics.. that is on my list. My shorter list is new radar. Have you researched the wifi radar from furuno? Looks like it displays on the tablet or your phone as well.
AIS is on our list for this year as well. I have not researched the Furno wifi radar. I can't see changing what I have now as long as it works. We only use radar a few times a year. At night and in the fog. Which is not often.
@@tryingnottosink9107 my furuno radar is pathetic. Pretty sure I am going to use furuno wireless dome. Then get an iPad and use timezero software which can overlay radar on the map as well as AIS.
For the type of sailing that you do, your system is quite sufficient to navigate by. Price is always a consideration. Fair winds.
We agree. Thanks for watching.
Hello Guys Really enjoy the channel I am looking into buying a pad for Navionics as I understand it the pad would need to be GPS enabled for the Navionics to work I am surprised you had mentioned a $200.00 price tag as what im looking at is more like $500.00 or so with the GPS enabling. Hope to run into you guys on the water we have a 40 Mainship trawler on the Sasafrass River MD stay safe
Len
There are some bluetooth GPS that you can 'attach' to most tablets.
Exactly, you can order a Bluetooth GPS for a non GPS capable device. I do that with my non cellular iPad. A company called Dual has great little gps units. If it's a cellular tablet device it comes with gps. No internet is needed once you download carts.
I purchased Galaxy Tab As and they had GPS. $199.00 at Best Buy.
Lots of keyboard mariners on these comments! You guys keep up the good work and love the videos. I myself use Navionics up here on the Great Lakes and LOVE IT!!!!!! Not sure why anyone would buy an expensive unit other than autopilot.
Hey, its the prestige of owning something expensive. guess you can call it a bragging right? Me, your a looser.. Go less expensive , save the money for trips, and enjoy the longer time with less headaches on the water.. I know a few boaters that have different sizes and makes of boats, and they went too the ipad side of things. They enjoy the flexibility of it all and way less money put out.
Thanks. Glad you enjoy the videos!
Ed, I just installed my sonar phone on my boat. I am using it through Navionics. When I open up navionics it works great giving me depth. I did notice that it now has an overlay of a blue circle around my boat on the map. Do you know how I can remove this view? Or does it go away when I start traveling?
It will be worse when you travel. It will make addition circles as you move. It is used for mapping an area so that when you go back you know the exact depth. You can turn it off.
Any chance if you can sometime maybe give a “more how” to on the use those navigational tablets. Thanks.
you can download open cpn and learn a lot about using navigation / chart plotters without spending a dime on anything but internet.
Ok. Thanks
I find that most chart plotter instruction manuals or videos tell you HOW to activate a function but usually no practical insight into WHEN or WHY those features would be helpful. What is cbn?
Cpn
@@sethdunbar942 it's an open source chart plotter app, runs on every device, free to download, install and use.
charts are not included you need to get the charts for your area downloaded and installed, then it will keep them current when new versions come out.
it will work with GPS as well, haven't tested radar, sonar or AIS.
Ed,
Randy Hitchcock here, wanted know what is your draft is on the Hatteras? Have you had any issues due to your draft in the ICW?
Love your videos. I have Hinkel I have watched about all of them. I just subscribed the last few days. Waiting to see more new ones.
The draft is 4'9". We have no problem on the ICW. There are a couple of low spots to be careful at, but it has never been an issue.
Do you have a video where you set up your sonar on your tablet. That is a cool idea and I too have an extra iPad laying around that I would like to use for that. Let me know as of right now I have to do split screen on my Navnet which I believe is the same one you have.
Yes. We did a video on that about two years ago.
Any chance you can list brand of wifi sonar and tablet mounts. Thanks 😊
Vexilar Sonarphone, Samsung Galaxy Tab A, TACKFORM [Enduro Series] - iPad Holder
go splurge on a back up camera at the auto parts store 35 bucks, put the camera in engine room and monitor on bridge you can watch your engines drink all that diesel fuel...it's for backing up your car or truck so you don't hit things.
I have a laptop on my grand banks 36 for what you are doing but I like the tablet set up you did,thats slick, I like the holders too
We have an 8 camera video system on board right not, including the engine rooms. We have only one monitor right now, on the lower helm.
@@tryingnottosink9107 holy cow why didn't ya say so hahahaha....so next dumb comment from me is now you have the two tablets can you view the 8 cams on those now if you got the ambition or is that not possible? once again good job dude
What was the name of the mount for the ipad mount holders?
Bust Out Another Ten~thousand
Have you done an episode yet on getting the internet while you are cruising and up to five miles offshore? If so can you point me to the right episode? If not can you do one? Love your videos! Thank you!
Not yet! I think we briefly mentioned what we do, but it is a good idea for a video.
@@tryingnottosink9107 Thanks!
Hi
I think you will be replacing those tablets every year or two which makes the chart plotter more economical in the long run.Good setup for short term or backup. I carry a tablet with navionics as a backup. Radar overlay on the chart plotter is really nice too.
@@cliffcrowley3756 my garmin is 8 years old and still going strong with garmen still supporting with updates.
The two tablets that I replaced these with were 10 years old and worked great. The only reason I replaced them is because the batteries did not last very long and more.
@@tryingnottosink9107 I wish you the best of luck. In my experience, I have not had a tablet last over a year to 1 1/2 years in a wet boat environment. A side note. Check to see if that nmea 2000 backbone is going to work for what you want. My understanding is radar and charts and things like that will not travel over nmea. Sensor inputs and things like that will so if you are hoping to bring the radar to your tablets, I would make sure that will work before investing. Hope it all works great for you. Hope it all goes smooth. An update in a year or two would be great. Safe journeys.
@@cliffcrowley3756 I agree you have to pay attention. Not debating which is better. Just putting my experience out there. Having a tablet in a house is different then having it in a boat. Also it's a little unfair to compare a 12 inch garmin to a 8 or 10 inch tablet. You can get echomaps for under $400. But again. Everyone should use what works for them and what they are comfortable with.
How do you use the navionics if you don't have a cell signal or wifi?
It does not require cell or wifi, just GPS. You download the maps ahead of time. They update when you have wifi available.
I use Navionics on my iPad as a backup for my older Raymarine chartplotter. The only downside I've run into is occasionally the iPad will shut down reading high temperature. I've installed a tinted plexiglass over the unit on hinges and will be adding a fan. Has anyone else run into this problem and how did you fix it.
We had the over-heating problem on our old I-pad as well. We found that by using the mounts, it allows air to get behind it and it never over heats now. Prior to that, we were putting a bag of ice under it.
If you had bigger set 8216 gamins x2 you would have a much neater dash and can split any way you like , and not have. to worry about signal .... and hd radar is awesome , I love my garmins
That would be nice. Maybe I'll ask Santa!
Which Marina on the Delaware do you recommend for winter live aboard?
It is nearly impossible to get a winter slip in Philly anymore. When the closed Phila Marine center we lost 130 slips. We are lucky to be grandfathered in. It is much easier on the Jersey side, or in Tullytown. Neshaminy does not allow liveaboard.
Yes I’m aware of Neshminy and Jersey is very expensive. We need better Marina options for winter liveaboards 👍🏼
Nice choices!
Do you AIS?
If way not?
We do not have AIS right now, but plan to add it later this year.
Another PRO is you can move them to the lower helm if you have to use it. Do you even use the lower helm? I don't remember you using it much in videos.
Very rarely. I much prefer piloting from the upper helm. And we move the tablets to the lower helm when we do. We sometimes take them to the staterooms, or even a restaurant, to plan out our next route.
Hey ed, Love your Videos. I really wish you would qualify for people that tables are what you use but not recmended for boat navigating. There his a reason marine electronics are expensive. They are waterproof, sun proof , dont overheat and designs dto communicate with each other via NEMA 2000 network. When your life depends on your electronics, dont be cheap. Spending a couple of hundred thousand on a boat and cheaping out on another 5-10k in electronics is penny wise and pound foolish. If it works for you great. But don't advise people that its the way to go. Alos, you don't mention if you carry paper charts. I can only hope that you do. When you shoppers club specials fail, having paper charts to fall back on is pretty critical.
We’re learning from the best. The Walkers
Who is that? We need to find their channel!
It is sad that we only get to enjoy our lives when we are old, ugly and in worsening health. I wish I was young and rich.
Any suggestions for the NMEA to wifi bridge?
www.panbo.com/?s=Helm+WiFi , great source for all boat electronic information.
Not, me. I haven't done it yet.
@@leonardkevin12 Thank you Kevin.
Hi, i use a B&G Zeus 7 on my Flybridge an a samsung tab 2 on the lower Helm. Both with navionics and they are connected over wlan so that i can contol the chart plotter from the tablet and can see the AIS on my tablet. The tablet works not so good on the fly course you can see anything in the sunlight.
So i bought an used B&G for 200 euros and a gofree wifi for 100. This is conncted to my Lowrance link8 with AIS over nmea2000 . With the free Software from Simrad/B&G you can double the screen from the Chartplotter to the tablet and control it from the lower Helm if the weather is not so good.
greeting from MAHALO ( Birchwood TS37)/ Germany
That sounds like a good setup. We do not have the sun problem on the fly-brige because the tablets are always in the shade from the hardtop. Hopefully AIS this summer!
It’s worth it to install Garmin electronics and connecting them together
HOW are things interconnected? Buss system or just through one computer?
Whose throttle controller system?
Just through wifi. I believe the throttle is called Micro Commander.
@@tryingnottosink9107 Thanks. Found it.
@@tryingnottosink9107 Yes - Mathers MicroCommander (MMC).
You didn't mention it, so I'm assuming you do not have AIS (automatic identification system) on your boat. It helps you identify others with AIS and vice versa.
We do not have AIS, but it is on our list for this year.
Could you not do the same with a PC and let's say 20" touch screen monitors. Obviously, I have a vision issue the bigger the better. Would the PC connect easier with the Furuno?
Yup, except a lot of the software tools for marine use no longer support anything but ios or android.
@@jaquigreenlees Seems your right, but Samsung also puts out the Samsung Galaxy 18" tablet which would prevent from sticking my nose to the screen and 2 or 3 of them would make a really cool helm for 1K each which is a lot cheaper than some instrument Company asking 25 to 20K per screen. But could I connect it into a network buss or existing instruments like Radar etc.
We wanted to get the big tablets as well. We bought our current tablets while traveling and they were the biggest available at the store. Now you got me thinking!
Do you still have your Carver 355
Sold it a few months ago.
I think it’s a great idea but I would keep a chart plotter on board, even a small cheap one just in case you lose cellular signal and then lose the Navionics maps on the tablet.
We still have the two Furunos running. We currently use them for radar but can switch to plotter when needed.
The Galaxy Tablet A I bought has the GPS built in......no need for cellular signal.
@@donsterful Navionics on my iPhone has a base map and uses cellular or wifi to get more detail in the areas required.
may we know what kind of boat, year , how many foot, how much you pay
1979 Hatteras 58MY. I did a video on costs a few years ago.
I like your way of doing things - your tablets are too small for me, but my eyes are weak. Larger tablets are not that more expensive. But I see that but you are limited to the internet range that you spoke about. That would concern me. What you have work for the two of you and that is all that matters. Hope you two have a fantastic week ! BTW I am looking at the Nikola Fuel Cell truck - I wonder when that will make its way into boats
We do not have cell coverage or internet on the tablets. All you need for Navionics is GPS. When I use the tablets for internet, I establish a hot spot with my phone and use wifi on the tablets.
What tablets are they?
Just Samsung tablets from Best Buy. Nothing special.
win you add nmea 2000 it can go to usb WiFi ethernet + and if you think you may wont to look at some data on the boat you can. gps als temps radio eng. levels controls are some thing
We are hoping to add that later this year.
Wouldn't bigger screens -- like 12" or 16" -- be easier to use? I've hear Navionics is poor in the Bahamas. C-map better. Your thoughts?
Yes. We want bigger screens!!! We found Navionics to be fine in Bahamas. At least where we were.
@@tryingnottosink9107 Not sure I understand the rationale for sticking with $200 tiny tablets -- you must spend $5,000 to $8,000 every winter on cruising, but won't spend $2500 on a decent-sized (12" or 16") Raymarine, Furono or similar chartplotter? It seems like the added enjoyment and peace of mind from seeing where you're headed on a big, easy- to- read screen would be a sensible investment. My eyes are getting old and I sure enjoy the 12" screen on my Garmin when I run around shallow water in Florida!
@@johnschieffelin3226 Not sure why anyone would want to spend more money when they can do perfectly fine for *MUCH* less money.
Get a Garmin Glo 2 Bluetooth GPS antenna, and Navionis will be available without internet.
We never have a problem picking up GPS and Navionics with our tablets. But we do have back up GPS Antennas as well.
Ed,
just had something installed that I really enjoy and you might like as well. Cradle point system (IBR 600C). Cellular Router with WiFi. Needs a Sim card with unlimited data (we use Verizon). Gives you password protected WiFi and runs anything related (TV, Alexa, IPad, Chart Plotter data, security cameras, etc) For $679. It is so worth it. Check it out.
I'll look into that. We have mostly been using the hot spots on our phones and hoping to get sufficient wifi when we visit marinas.
Same goes for Aviation, the tech is just so outdated you can use an iPhone or tablet that will work just as well im most areas
You need GPS capability. IPads give you that with a Cell capable IPad. I can tell you this . An IPad is much much faster at calculating an Automatic Route than an Android Tablet with Navionics. The Android does a much much better job at distance to Calculate . The IPad comes back with "too many points" and will not route the distance. You have to break up the route and save it in your routes file with the IPad. That may be an issue if you are in tight surroundings and you want to change routes. I run 3 tablets at once all always plugged in to power here in Georgian Bay. two Android one IPad. Plus my phone. Heat is an issue .I have a fan blowing on them all the time . By he way you can now use one Navionics account for both Ipad and Android and everything will sync once connected to wifi. I use to have buy two subscriptions . All Good!
I am going to look into you sonar set up. That looks Good!
We are only using Androids now. The routing works well but slow. We had overheating issues with the Ipad as well. We used to put a 1 gallon zip lock bag, filled with ice water, underneath it. The new mounts that we bought for the tablets allow air to get behind them and we have not had an overheating. The Sonar set that we have is pretty good. I have never owned anything else, so I cannot compare it, but we are happy.
Love you guys. But holy Toledo do you repeat yourself. I’ve been noticing that a lot as I’m watching all your videos.
I am not sure what you mean. What do you mean! 😁
Have y'all seen the recent hubbub about DJI drones designed to send info back to China?
No. I haven't seen that.
It is true that some monitors do not have very high brightness values, which are typically measured in "nits". It all has to do with how much direct sunlight actually strikes the surface of the monitor screen. You are generally in a shaded place so your's is not a difficult application. Very few displays will perform well if the sun directly strikes the monitor's display surface. Then, you can buy what are called sun shields for monitors. With these you can be fairly sure that excessive light won't cause viewing problems. I don't sell them but here is their page. www.hoodmanusa.com/Monitor-Hoods-s/126.htm. I've used their products on certain projects. My company does manufacture high performance stainless steel video cameras normally used in industrial, high corrosion areas and would be good anywhere on boats in salt water. See those at www.basscam.com. Stay buoyant.
You are right, because both our helms are enclosed and protect from most sunlight, regular monitors work fine.
It would be helpful if you had links to articles or outlets to purchase said equipment. It has some function, but it looks like a poor man's attempt to have some electronics. It's a workable solution, but not ideal.
Just wondering how do u deal with fuel smell on board as I’ve been onboard many boats that seem to smell of diesel fuel all the time
Go faster :)
I guess we just got used to it. At least in a bout our size, most rooms are not near the engines.
Aqua Maps is superior to Navionics on the ICW! Much more up to date charts!
I'll check it out. Thanks.
I wouldn't go with the tablets, or an iphone or android phone.
touch screens are only 34% reliable for me so I would never pick a touch screen device for anything.
I have touch screen tablet that are 10 years old and work perfectly. I have never seen one fail. But just in case, we have 4 on board.
@@tryingnottosink9107 lol, all touch screens have failed as soon as I try using them.
They don't like me so don't work at all, not even brand spanking new ones.