History of the Uralic Languages
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- History of the Uralic Languages, Proto-Uralic, Samoyedic, Finno-Ugric, Finno-Permic, Finno-Volgaic, Balto-Finnic, Nenets, Nganasan, Selkup, Mari, Saami, Permic, Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian, Komi, Mordvinic, Moksha, Erzya, Udmurt, Karelian, Veps, Ingrian, Votic, Ludic, Livonian, Khanty, Mansi, Komi-Zyrian, Komi-Permyak
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"Aight imma head out"
-Hungarian
If you are interested in Ural languages and culture, I suggest you take a look at this Sami music. :)
czcams.com/video/HyRan7oUUQ0/video.html
most interestingly it was only some of them, the rest seems to stay behind. maybe it was a adventoruous branch of the tribe.
@@gungnir3926 Maybe it was a more nomadic society at the time.
[All the other languages slowly fading away]
Hungary: I'm gonna do what's called a pro gamer move
Well the Hunnic language is slowly becoming slavic too...
@@anotherhumanbeing3923 what Hunnic language? thats extinct. you mean Hungarian?
@@servantofaeie1569 yes
@@anotherhumanbeing3923 Hungarian is not becoming Slavic.
@@anotherhumanbeing3923 Slavic? why?
I'm Finnish, and I feel sad that the other Finno-ugric languages are slowly disappearing. It hits the hardest when I see them written or hear them spoken because they are so similar to Finnish. It's like finding out you have a distant relative somewhere who's slowly dying and you can't do anything to save them. I wish they could be preserved.
I'm fascinated by your language and I wish the field of history will do better with such interesting age old cultures
Take back Karelia
@@jackholloway1 As glorious as that sounds, it would be pointless. The infrastructure there is in shit condition and fixing everything up to Finland's standards would cost billions. The actual Karelian speakers are a very small minority as more and more Russians have migrated there.
@@hazuusan I was being tongue in cheek mate, it is a shame that your sister languages are fading away though
@@jackholloway1 I suppose Estonian and Võro are safe for now, that also goes for some lects that are classified as dialects of Finnish proper, such as Savonian. Karelian has a small number of speakers within Finnish borders too I think.
So basically, in countries where the languages are national, they're safe. Russia couldn't care less about preserving minority languages though, and in fact quite on the contrary.
Finally a video that shows the seperation of Hungarian, always wondered how the hell its so far away and so different compared to Finnish, Karelian, Estonian and Saami languages. Thumbs up
Also, Hungarian is an early separation, that's why it is distant from every Uralic languages
Its far because Huns were far
@@anotherhumanbeing3923 hungarian has nothing to do with the hunns
Hungarians were the southest Uralics, they became influenced by steppe peoples and they adopted a horse nomadic culture. Hunnic invasion in the 5th century started a migration wave on the Eurasian steppe. Hungarians started their migration because of other nomadic peoples attacks who also fled from the Huns.
At first Hungarians just moved to the Caspian Sea-Aral Sea region, they became part of the Khazar Khaganate, but later they left it. A Pecheneg (Turkic nomads) attack led the Hungarians to Central Europe.
@@sectorgovernor A small correction regarding "A Pecheneg (Turkic nomads) attack led the Hungarians to Central Europe." It was not a simple attack that "led" them into Central Europe, but after a combined destructive campaign by Bulgaria and the Pechenegs together on Etelkoz, as part of a war where the Hungarians were allied with the Byzantine Empire, and their main force was still fighting down in Bulgaria, the rebuilding and defense of Etelkoz was not strategically wise anymore. Following the war in the course of several decades the Hungarians decided to move to a more defensible geographical area, and by destroying Great Moravia, they entered Central Europe to gain a more defensible position against the continuous pressure of the neighboring Turkic tribes. Funnily not too much later the Hungarians allied with the Pechenegs against the Bulgarians and won a victory at the Battle of W.l.n.d.r - it was a real Game of Thrones mess which led the Hungarians from Etelkoz into the Carpathian basin, not just "an attack".
Hungarians:*Living with their Uralic brothers*
Some funny looking deer: Yo catch me b*tch
Hungarians:*Ight imma head to Europe*
If you are interested in Ural languages and culture, I suggest you take a look at this Sami music. :)
czcams.com/video/HyRan7oUUQ0/video.html
Fun fact, in Hungary there is a historical story, when the separated Hungarians met again:
A priest, Friar Julian (Hungarian: “Julian's friend”) was one of a group of Hungarian Dominican friars / priests who, in 1235, left the kindom in order to find those Magyars who - according to the chronicles and the old Hungarian myths - remained in the eastern homeland. After traveling a great distance, Friar Julian reached the capital of Volga Bulgaria, where he was notified by a women that the Magyars whom he wants to find lived only two days' travel away. Julian found them, and despite the gap of at least 300-400 years since the split between the Magyars (Hungarian tribes) that settled in Pannonia (Central-Eastern EU) and those that were found near at the Ural hills. Their language remained mutually intelligent, and they were able to communicate.
Julian named the old country Magna Hungaria (Great Hungary). He became aware of stories about the Tatars, who were the enemies of the eastern Magyars and Volga Bulgars. Two years after the original journey, Julian returned to Magna Hungaria, only to find it had been devastated by the Mongol Tatars. He returned to his kingdom with news of mortal danger and a Mongol ultimatum to Hungary.
The significance of Julian’s travels is he was the first one to bring real, valid and well documented information about Hungarians / Hungarian speakers living in “Magna Hungary".
In any book I can find his story/journy?
@@asadforat3734 I think historically in: Archives of the Dominican Order History Collection but I only found hungarian languaged website regarding this, and the wiki page and references:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friar_Julian
Which Finno-Ugric tribe did he describe? Was it Khanty people? Did they look different back in 1200?
@@exposingreality6391 It wasn't any description or tribe name in the Dominican documents. He definetly found the Volga-Bulgars and most likely he found people from the remained hungarians (magyars) as they were able to communicate. Because not all the hungarians went to Central Europe, some of them remained there according to the chronics.
I think Mari ppl were the closest to the Volga-Bulgars, but after Mansi ppl were the closest language relatives so maybe he found them.
Wow, that’s amazing! Thanks for that story.
Everybody: Hungary where are you going?
Hungary: Brb just a sec.
na bro
Hungary is the dad that went the get some milk
@@thepickle5214 *beer
newsbeezer.com/hungaryeng/miklos-kasler-the-arpad-dynasty-was-founded-4500-years-ago-in-the-northern-part-of-what-is-now-afghanistan/
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Scythia-Parthia_100_BC.png
Last online: 1000 years ago.
Hungarian language is really a survivor. It would have been disappeared in the Indo-European sea, but it didn't
Yes,since Hunnic Empire was totally gone,its a miracle that their language is alive
@@anotherhumanbeing3923 Hunnic Empire wasn't hungarian
@@anotherhumanbeing3923 Hun language was possibly a Turkic language
@@sectorgovernor umm...then how did they come here
@@anotherhumanbeing3923 It was a different migration.
Ingrian is noted in the map with dark blue. It has been forgotten in the caption.
Hello costas. Can you do Turkic peoples? By the way do you look at my channel? I'm doing a map too.
You didn't show Kven language and Merya language
Turkic languages please 🙏🙏🙏
The story of spread of christianity in the world please 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Can you tell me what app you use
That's an absolutely brilliant visualisation -- makes the connection between Hungarian and Finnish obvious and reminds us that there were other major language besides proto Indo-European. Subscribed. :)
Thank you
Тюркские языки.
Ну уж нет, индоевропейцы и индоевропейские языки не имеют в финно-уграми ничего общего
@@wallhackful имеют много общего из за этого даже есть теория, что ещё раньше праиндоевропейский, прауральский, праалтайский языки произошли из одного языка
Но это сложно объяснить, если не зональное родство, да и генетически они не близки
Thank you for such a beautiful video 🥰 I'm sure this took a lot of effort to make .We will persevere 🇫🇮🇪🇪🇭🇺+Other remaining Uralics
You're welcome :)
+other
I hope there's anything left to preserve
... considered how low the generic street level knowledge, interest, and participation about +other truly seems to be, while we indeed should be the beacon of hope -- I wouldn't brag to loud about preserving anyone
Not to mention getting too cocky at times and managing to show mutual disrespect towards oneanother true self-determination
Russia has always sought to make other languages disappear, such as the Ural languages.
@@gregutdmglaucos3757 Russia is better than England or France in term of preserving minority languages
@@jubanumidia8460 go ask the opinion of the Ukrainians on the preservation of minority languages (as well as the Crimean Tatar, Volga German, Kazakh, Finnish, Karelians .......)
we do not become the largest empire without crushing our neighbors there linguistically, the border of French in Europe has practically not moved in 1500 years, is it the same for Russian?!
and you don't need to look very far for my sources, it's mainly CostasMelas.
The movement of tribes most likely used to be far more complicated than that, but with only Hungarian having surviving records of them.
there's many records but the maker of the video didn't care
Its an oversimplified video. He also left out the volga hungarians
Me earlier that day: "Maybe he should do finno-ugric languages..."
After logging into CZcams: "He has actually done it!"
Уща уԓа!(Uscha ula!)(Hello in khantylanguage!) It's really painful. I'm khanty and I was born in the north, right there, where it all started in this video. I am sorry that in Russia all the small nationalities speak only Russian, and I hate it, some Politicians in the old days forbade speaking our native language, took the people by force and Christianized them, killed my khanty people. Yes, in Russia they didn’t tell khanty about this at school, but older people remember it. And the new generation does not stady our native language, but Chinese, English and other languages of globalization. I am happy that there are Finno-Ugric countries like Hungary, Estonia and Finland. I would dream that my people would sound and speak their own language and have our separated territory. I try to promote my native language, and I hope there are those who will develop their culture! I'm proud that our roots are the same! I'm stand for our finno-ugric family!
Уральские нации не имеют никаких перспектив уж поверь, это естественный процесс, многие народы исчезают как и языки, никто через 300 лет и знать не будут что на урале жили иные народы. Или думаешь в будущем будут например Великий Китай, Америка, Европа, африканская конференция и среди этих держав будет какая-то финно-угрия? Нет. К сожалению судьба финских народов это полная Асимилия и исчезновение в будущем, особенно учетом количество их населения
All my sympathy to those who maintain their native language! Greetings from a distant past relative Hungarian!
Hungarians just went to buy a milk
(amazing video btw)
Hey, are you consider yourself as european?
@@ek3200 Yes, of course
@@mrhunknown they just went to buy cigarettes and they never returned lmao
no, they were sent for wine! :P
Just watching my ethnicity, Mari, to form so early
Наконец-то я нашел материалы, как распространялась по миру Уральская семья языков.Я живу на Урале.Наблюдая за венграми в интернете, слушая их новости, я заметил ту особенность, что сами венгры внешностью и стилем рассуждений поразительно похожи на окружающих меня родственников-уральцев.
Hungari-IN 4:47
Hargari-OUT 5:39
Hello to uralic people
- from your once upon a time neighbour ,an indo iranian
Interesting how Arya mean noble in indo iranian but is considered slave in uralic.
@@xanshen9011Arya mean noble in the Sanskrit, not in the Iranian or farsi.....Aryrn only belongs to the Indo-Aryan
@@xanshen9011Indoeuropean slave comes from slav. Slavic slave: rab
So sad to see the Uralic languages slowly fade away when the Russian Expansion starts
Not just Ugric, but all Uralic languages in Russia.
Slavic power
@@marik-qw5uw You are a sad person.
Not just Russians, many also switched to Tatar language
But the hungarians are the ones that survived by migrating to Europe
3:46 now I don't wonder Why Mari language sounds sometimes similar to Hungarian and why the second and third closest branches to Hungarian are Mari and the Permic languages(Komi and Udmurt) . Hungarian was surrounded by Ob-Ugric, Mari and Permic language
Do the history of the Sino-Tibetan languages!
the chinese communist party kindly requests your location
@@miliba
The free area of Chinese territory unoccupied by Commie barbarians ;)
This. I would love to see how Sino-Tibetan languages slowly spread over East Asia
@@Thecognoscenti_1 tu veux parler de Taïwan
A vrai dire le Guomindang le parti nationaliste qui a lutté contre les communistes a fait des millions de morts en Chine avant de se réfugier a Taïwan (grâce au Japon) en 1949
Je ne sais quoi I don’t think it’s possible to map it because there’s so many languages, that’s like mapping the entire indo European family
I hope that as many Uralic languages as possible will be saved somehow, and thoroughly documented as well.
Uralic languages carry the essence of our Uralic cultures and our sense of related identities. With every language lost, we loose bits of ourselves, since words and how we use them are voices of our ancestors.
I'm a Finn (of mixed Savo and Tornio River ethnicities), and I've been mourning the violence of russification. Local and regional languages of all indigenous peoples in Russia are fast going extinct, unless something dramatic is done. With every language saved we would preserve a certain view to the world. Our view...
Hello from Celts, Uralic "disappearing" languages...
Dear Finn-Ugoric and Uralic brothers and sisters, as it seems we are in the last hour to save our whole language family! :(
I collected some old Hungarian word, check it on your own language!
víz (water), szarv (horn), szarvas (deer), kéz (arm), szem (eye), száj (mouth), ín (tendon), fej (head), tar (bald), ki (who), mi (what), anya/Eme (mother), fa (tree), vér (blood), kő (stone), tűz (fire), szél (wind), nyíl (arrow), hal (fish), él (live), jég (ice), vén (old), menni (go), alatt (under), fölé (above), rege (old story), yurta (tent-house), lyuk (hole), monya/tojás (egg), puha (soft), van (is), fúr (drill), hó/lom (snow).
egy kettő három négy öt hat hét nyolc kilenc tiz (1-10), húsz (20), száz (100)
In Finnish:
vesi (water), sarvi (horn), sarvi (deer), käsi (arm), silmä (eye), suu (mouth), jänne (tendon), pää (head), kalju (bald), kuka (who), mitä/mikä (what), äiti (mother, but older form is emo and it's used for animal mothers in modern Finnish), puu (tree), veri (blood), kivi (stone), tuli (fire), tuuli (wind), nuoli (arrow), kala (fish), elää (live), jää (ice), vanha (old), mennä (go), alla (under), yllä (above), tarina (story), jurtta (tent-house, but obvious loan), reikä (hole), muna (egg), pehmeä (soft), on (is), pora (drill), lumi (snow).
Some older words of Uralic origin have been replaced by germanic and slavic(Russian) loans, but a lot of them are still recognisable.
shieeet, im samoyedic
In Persian, 100 is "sad" and it comes from Uralic. Also "who" in Persian, Indo-European, and many Romance languages is "ki" and probably comes from Uralic. Also eye in Persian is "Češm" which comes from Proto-Indo-European, and likely comes from Uralic
hungarian not uralic ....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Results of genetic tests in 2019 ...hungarians 4500 years ego lived in Baktria ..in scythia ...newsbeezer.com/hungaryeng/miklos-kasler-the-arpad-dynasty-was-founded-4500-years-ago-in-the-northern-part-of-what-is-now-afghanistan/
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Scythia-Parthia_100_BC.png
It's just crazy how we, hungarians moved thousands of km-s to the west, surviving 1200 years, nations, wars, tatars, turks, Ottoman Empire, german, russian... preserving our dearest language, culture!
Love Hungary from Slovakia 🇸🇰♥️🇭🇺
💗
Hungarian history is amazing.
That's Turkish history. Hungarian and Turkish history are the same. HUNgarians are Turkish. The European Hun State is Turkish
@@ahmetkarpuz3818 I am a hungarian and no turkish friend, we are not relatives. We are magyars. And our cultures are different. Don't claim what's not yours.
@@ahmetkarpuz3818 Westerners namded us Hungarians not us.
@@ahmetkarpuz3818 wow you couldn't be more wrong. We have been Christians since 1000. We are not at all Turkish, trust me. And our history is not even remotely the same. I don't know where you are from, but you need better history lessons.
@@ahmetkarpuz3818 Look i have nothing agianst you turkish people. but could you please stop saying that we descend from the same family, the majority of hungarians dont even consider themselves turkic or to even be brothers with turks. only turanist hungarians do. and honestly not all central asian nomadic groups who were fierce warriors are turkic. just because we came from central asia and you also came from central asia doesnt make us descend from the same ancestor. if you would do your research you would know that hungarians linguistically are finno-ugric while not atlaic en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_languages
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages
Good job, Costas!
It was definitely complicated video to make. As an Estonian I think many actual details remain in mystery because lack of written hard evidence. Ancient histories of Greek, Romanic and Germanic languages are therefore understood much better. Uralic history is much based on theories of linguists. Nitpicking on ancient details is pointless.
Thank you. You 're right. The distant past in this case is reconstructed from linguistic theories comparing common elements between the languages.
I subscribed. Waiting for Turkic languages. Greetings from the Chuvash Republic.
Nice to see a Chuvash, not many of you stayed nowadays. Your language is the last Ogur-Bolgar branch. I hope it survives. Salam.
Chuvashs ar half-finno-ugric and half-turkic, so hi 👋🏻
@adem sezgi Se on täydellisesti 🇫🇮👍
Are you an ethnic Chuvash? If you are, I have a few questions about Chuvash people. Firstly do Chuvash people consider themselves as Turkic? And how much of Chuvash people do you think want an independent Chuvash Republic? In addition, do you support an independent Chuvash Republic personally?
It’s so sad to see this unique language getting wiped out overtime. I wish the Russian government could preserve this language. Fantastic video my friend. As for a suggestion could you do a history of the Armenian, Albanian, or the indo-Iranian language
@@prometheus5770 saying thats not right, russia doesnt do anything against or not
@@vanya1290 miss me with that rt shit. This event below is probably the best illustrator of actuality www.rferl.org/a/man-sets-himself--fire-russia--udmurtia-language-protest-against-language-bill/30156654.html
@@prometheus5770 The national languages of Udmurtia are Russian and Udmurt. High government does not take special measures to preserve this language - but this does not mean that they stopped studying it in schools. The number of Udmurts is 400,000, and 310,000 speak the language - not so critical result. The reduction in the number of speakers of the Udmurt language occurs mainly because in large cities Russians make up ~ 80% of the population, and in such conditions it is difficult to maintain the stability of the language. Add here more demographic problems due to huge crises and you will get the expected result of the extinction of the language. The government is guilty only because it does not resist crises, not because it supports the assimilation of the population.
In which language we are talking now? And where are the native-american's languages? Or african's? So where situation is worse?
So it can be said about any large nation - like, they supplanted other nations and cultures by themselves. The Chinese, Spaniards, Arabs, Russians, Poles, Turks, the British themselves. Everyone has a different heritage of culture and history. We just need to accept this and decide on our own tasks, relying on the past only for the sake of experience. But just don't use history as a tool of political manipulation.
Great video, thanks for creating it.
I have just one remark. As far as I know when Hungarians started their migration, the nation split up in two parts, and one part stayed in their original homeland, so not all Hungarians moved away. The group which stayed called "Eastern Hungarians", and they lived there until the middle of the XIII. century. Although I'm not a professional, just an enthusiast, so if you are a professional, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Greetings from Hungary!
Thank you. For that I keep some green stripes in the original Hungarian area but they are gradually disappearing because this area was flooded by Turkic-speaking tribes
@@CostasMelas Thanks for the explanation.
@@CostasMelas when did they completely disappear?
Me as a Finn, it really gives me tears watching this ;)
Thank you from Hungary!
Agree, hi from mari to my finno-ugric brother 😉
Hungarians around 1000:
"Where the fuck are we??"
- "Idk"
A live fish swims underwater.
Estonian: Elav kala ujub vee all.
Finnish: Elävä kala ui veden alla.
Hungarian: Eleven hal úszik a víz alatt.
or
Finnish: Elävä kala uiskentelee veden alla.
Hungarian: Eleven hal úszkál a víz alatt.
Moksha: Erek kal ujs’ vedt’ ala
Erzya: Erij kal ui ved’ alo
Interesting....
"Uiskentelee" feels more like a child-like word to me. Like "to be swimminging". A Finnish perspective.
@@veikkakarvonen831 Linguists still sweated to create similar-sounding sentences. This is not easy from the perspective of thousands of years.
It's very interesting to see the Hungarians travel so far from there ancestral homeland all the way to Europe their end however is very sad thought especially after WW2
Πάντως το βίντεο ήταν φοβερό Κόστα συγχαρητήρια
@European Awakening the blow that ensured the Byzantines would never rise again (as much as they tried to) was the 4th crusade in 1204 the Bulgarians were as much as foe as friend depending on the time as for the Hungarians they were neutral for most of the time with the Byzantines
@European Awakening even if they did this raids didn't affect much the empire as they had to deal with dianastic issues as well as the Arabs in the Anatolian border
Well not that interesting since Hunnic Empire migrated europe and their language moved there
@European Awakening wtf are you on about. hungary became christianized after 1000 ad, it had close relations with the papal states and holy roman empire. it was even the leader during the fifth crusades. in some cases it even helped byzantinum "battle of nicopolis". and yeah i know magyars raided literally anything they had in their path but that was only a brief period of 100 years, while we were the shield of western europe for at least 500.
@@anotherhumanbeing3923 we have no idea what the hunnic language was like or if it existed at all.
Vi uma reportagem no jornal no inicio dos anos 2000 sobre os últimos falantes nativos da lingua livônia que habitavam a Letônia. Infelizmente a tendência é das línguas minoritárias desaparecem.
5:00 Hungarians, For you to take the entirety of your nation out of their homeland, lead them through other peoples land in a random direction travelling for 300 years and then settling in a random part of Europe is just crazy!
States from invading and migrating populations are very common, mainly in the zone of Eurasian Steppe (Bulgars, Khazars, Cumans, Crimean Tatars and in other zones Goths, Saxons, Turks in Anatolia, Arabians in Africa, Thais, Mongols, Manchu etc)
Yeah, they didn't travel for 300 years. They travelled a short time, settled in a place, moved again in a short time, and then came where they are now.
czcams.com/video/jWi1vgG8-sI/video.html
Apparently I read that the hungarians started migrating to Europe as early as 800 bc. It was not sudden. It was gradual and slow
This was not random. The Hungarians followed Attila the Hun, because the knew that the pastures of the Carpathian Basin were rich, and there was no need to migrate even with tens of thousands of horses and cattle. The eastern steppes are poor. The Hungarians knew where they were going.
THANK YOU!
I wanted a video like this very bad!
Thank you for making this!
Such a great video! You put so much detail in these!
4:59 When you've had enough of North Siberian winters.
When you find the pannonian basin: No way I'm going back to the cold edge of the world we are staying boys!
Hunagry's travel notes:
-7th century - Yeah, it's time to go in non-searched lands, so I'm gonna on far West, It'll be awesome travel!
-8th century - Ok, so, It's may sea, but in here isn't exisits waves... Hmmm... Maybe a big lake?
-9th century - Oh, finally I found real sea. Near these is river, everywhere are steppes, but on south are mountains.
-10th Ohhh... I'm tired. I musted pass a very big mountains. Ok, I'm done to create settlement right there.
-Little later, but it's still 10th century - Wtf, I found a civilization. They are really progressive! Here is really nice! I'll develop like them people. They Wants to I will christianize himself. Ok, let's christianize! I'm feels so good!
This is awesome video. Just shows the huge diversity of finno-ugric languages. Sadly most of them have either faded away or are on the verge of dying
I'm proud to be Finnish!
Tää video on täyttä pötyä. Suosittelen lukemaan Kalevi Wiikin kirjan ”Eurooppalaisten juuret”, jos haluat tarkemman totuuden Euroopan kielistä. En tiedä mihin 1900-luvun alun tieteeseen tämä video perustuu.
If you are interested in Ural languages and culture, I suggest you take a look at this Sami music. :)
czcams.com/video/HyRan7oUUQ0/video.html
@@Otsomeister tässä ei olekaan kyseessä eurooppalaiset kielet, vaan suomalais-ugrilaiset kielet.
@@harripaavola4675 Sun logiikalla baskikaan ei varmaan ole eurooppalainen kieli. Ihan tiedoksi indo-eurooppalaiset kielet ovat tulleet lähi-idästä, jotka eivät ole sen eurooppalaisempia kuin suomalais-ugrilaisetkaan kielet. Itseasiassa Wiikin ja useiden muiden tutkijoiden mukaan suomalais-ugrilaiset kielet ovat olleet koko Itä-Euroopan metsästäjäkeräilijöiden käytössä ennen indo-eurooppalaisten kielten saapumista Eurooppaan.
@@Otsomeister totta
It's sad seeing them all fade away...
I cant believe that all these languages has been connected all the time while Indo-European languages were doing their own thing. I live in the Ural and I wish Uralic languages were more widespread so I could speak them
You can move to Finland and speak only Finnish there.
Khanty and Mansy: "we'll be besties forever"
Hungarian: "nah" *goes away*
Khanty and Mansy: *dissolve*
great video. l really love your language family mapping videos. can't wait to see a video about turkic languages
Excellent video, and, unlike so many others on CZcams, scientifically up to date. My hat off to the uploader.
Thank you
As a linguist from Finland, I can say it would be glorious to compare the Uralic languages (at least the Finnic ones) but due to the low number of speakers/lack of written text it's very hard to review the similarities. I had to opt the Romance languages as my target group (I've also been comparing Germanic and Slavic tongues), the sad thing is that I can't understand any Indo-European language based on my native one, Finnish. It does suck.
You can go and collect the material, you'd even make history.
there might be a video of that on ILoveLanguages channel
You can try Estonian and Hungarian first, they are the most widely spoken Uralic languages.
please make history of the causasian languages
Andreas Penner +++
Which of the families? :D
@@a___ab___b9896 All of them.
@@rainbowstalin594 :)
@@a___ab___b9896 It would make more sense to put them together then to make individual videos on each language family.
Very interesting how Hungarian got to Central/Eastern/Southern Europe from Central/Western Asia!!
Well,its obvious that hungarians moved there with their empire,Hunnic empire
@@anotherhumanbeing3923 by the time Hungarians move to panonia the Huns had been long gone.The Hungarians or Magyars have nothing to do with the Huns.The only relation with Turkic people is that the had some Turkish mix and Turkish elements amongst their people and after they settled in Panonia they let some Cumans settle amongst them as mercenaries for the Magyar army.
@@Feon83 umm....did i say they are connected with Turks?
@@Feon83 well then ima check from Wikipedia or somethin
@@Feon83 well Wikipedia says that hungarians maove there in 1bc and it was easy for Huns to get hungarian populated land
The Hungarian migration is probably the most interesting part, IMO
Great work. You should make a video with the spread of ALL the languagues in Europe in the same time!
It is a great challenge but firstly I have to work in areas like the Caucasus or ancient languages such as Etruscan, Thracian, Luvic etc
@@CostasMelas you can just combine your videos somehow
Excellent video, and in my opinion seriously needed. It would be awesome if one day you could take all these language families maps and put them together. At least for certain regions.
Also, while Livonian, not being extinct, hasn't any native speaker left, I think there are yet a handful of Votic speakers in Luga River region. I think that perhaps you precipitated yourself by take them out of the map yet.
This is a very moving video, thank you! According to the most recent archaeological studies the Hungarians robably never went south into the grass-steppe zone, but stayed on the boundary between forest and steppe when they travelled to the West, benefitting from both biospheres on the northern fringes of the steppe.
Great video, can’t wait to see Iranian (including Scythian)
He has already done the Iranian languages
We don't know the Scythian language, its just an old-fashioned suspect, that Scythian is iranic.
Proto-indo-Iranians were in contact with the Finno-Uglic speakers. Thats why the Finno-Ugric word for 7 looks Indo-European. It was a loan word from Indo-Iranian
@@pabslondon similarly many old indo european words are in uralic languages. They have been frozen in time.
Scythian is not Iranic
What a beautiful family of languages and culture! It's sad that the majority were slavicized... ;-;
((((
Some were first Turkized, and later Slavized. This is if you do not take into account the Indo-Iranian tribes that dominated the Great Steppe before the Turkic tribes.
Rurik the founder of Russia was actually very likely of Uralic / Finno-Ugric origin, according to the Russian Nobility Project conducted at FTDNA. His paternal haplogroup is N1c which is very typical for Uralic / Finno-Ugric peoples. Many North Russians are also Slavicised Uralic / Finno-Ugric peoples themselves.
@@YummYakitori if you are talking about the first king then I remember how I read something about how the Russian nobility invited someone from the Baltic or scandinavia
And germanicized in scandinavia
I love how Hungarian in 5:09 is like "meh, you know what, I'm moving out of here" 😄
Thank you ^^
First comment from Hungary. Thank you. The Hungarians are the most populous group of the Uralic family
@@CostasMelas oh really? I didn't know that, thanks for the info :)
So you're Hungarian? First off, hello from Finland! Second, I've heard and seen myself that there is quite the loud group of Hungarians who oppose the Uralic family and specifically Hungarian being a part of it, I think it is called Hungarian Turanism. Some are even saying the Uralic language family is Austrian propaganda to somehow "bring down the glorious Hungarian people" or something along the lines of that. So I have to ask why it exists and what does just a regular, average Hungarian think of this "movement"?
@@jokemon9547 well, I am Hungarian, but I don't live in Hungary or any other lands settled by a majority or atleast large community of Hungarians, not anymore that is.
Ofcourse I have family in Hungary, and also friends from Hungary, and I never really heard anyone say that the Uralic language family is propaganda.
We Hungarians do see ourselves as very unique and different from the rest, wich, I mean it's true, but atleast I never heard anyone say that. I have to be honest, I never even really heard any ultra-extremist Hungarians say that.
Ofcourse I'm not implying that all Hungarians, even the extremists are saints or some shit, but atleast I have never heard any Hungarian say it's "Austrian propaganda".
I'm sure that there are a lot of Hungarians who disregard the Uralic language family, because Hungarian is also very unique, but again, no one I've heard of was violent or anything about it.
Don't quote me on this.
@@Shunshnura I've just been wondering that topic specifically, since I had a long discussion on the matter with a Hungarian nationalist in the comment section of a Uralic language video. The guy said that the Uralic language family was Austrian propaganda from the 1800s to bring down Hungarians and "their glory" because most if not all Uralic speakers were under the control of the Russian Empire and never had their own nations or "Grand historical accomplishments" compared to Hungarians. Then he went on to say that Hungarians are more glorious than all of these people combined and encompass them all. He also believed in the Uralic Altaic language family and said that the only reason Uralic is a part of that group is because Hungarian is very, very just distantly related to Uralic and that Hungarian is more on the Turkic.
I dont really get why Hungarian cant be a part of the Uralic and stay unique, if some Hungarians oppose the language family because of that. Hungarian is unique as hell due to it's long separation from other Uralic languages. Look at Greek or Albanian for example, both are indo-european, but entirely on their own in the family and unique as hell because of that.
Hello Magyars. Your ancestors had a very good idea to go west. You left your Asian cousins, and become Central Europeans. Excellent move. :)
They nearly got eliminated by the ottoman empire there
Tell them to go back to Eastern Asia because since they came to Europe, they messed up everything!
@Tg52s the Austrian domination of the 18th century was the result of the Ottoman invasion. If they hadn't defeated Hungary the Austrians wouldn't have taken over Hungary later
@@user-gq6rv5wp2p by Russian
@@bcchiriac4512 they're is no reason for them to move back. They speak a foreign language but genetically they have as much asiatic blood as asturias, poles or Germans. Aka less then 1%
I am Iranian
How sad that a nation of this size is not united
I hope that the country of Uralic languages will be formed in the future
Peace be upon Uralik languages from Iran
Thanks for the loads of words! - a Hungarian
@@kellyfreas haha funny because most Uralic languages have several Scythian and some Persian loanwords
Hey. Congratulations for your channel.
Your History of languages vidéos are very accurate!
Could you do one, with all the languagues at the same time? It may help to put in context lots of movements
Thank you. I'll try it in the future
It's interesting to see him doing an entire family at once instead of just a group
actually this is a group, but of Altaic
@@servantofaeie1569 Just stop...
@@jokemon9547 stop what? stop believing in the altaic family? no
@@servantofaeie1569 Why? Why cant we just keep them separate, Uralic as Uralic and Altaic as Altaic. Both are unique, so cant we just keep them as their own little things instead of bunching them together into some ultra, mega family?
@@jokemon9547 because, they all originated in the same region and it just makes sence for them to be related, especially to Mongolian because of the long vs short vowels.
my idea of the Altaic family includes Uralic, Turkic, Mongolo-Khitan, Tungusic, Dene-Yenisei, Chukotko-Kamchatkan, Ainu, Japonic, Koreanic, Nivkh, and Yukaghir as its branches.
Преогромнейшее СПАСИБО!!! Очень хорошо сделано. А музыку подобрали какую!!! .. -- лучше и не подберёшь: в ней -- и давность событий, из глубины веков --хронология; и -- трагичность; и -- историческая ценность. В ней -- всё! Спасибо! Отличная работа.
Да... финно-угорские языки вымирают. К превеликому сожалению!
Сама я -- коми. Меня это лично затрагивает и очень глубоко волнует. И, кажется, что ничего уже не изменить. Страшно становится от этих мыслей.
Со своими родными и друзьями свободно и легко говорим по-коми. Но так не повсюду.
Печально, что уральские языки вымирают (кроме эстонского, венгерского и финского) и надо что-то делать, чтобы их спасти.
PS: Я не русский и тем более не говорю на уральском языке, я просто аргентинец, который любит языки.
Could you please make a video about Austronesian languages? That would be very interesting
Languages gradually die without state sovereignty.
Languages in Indonesia and Africa?
Would be nice if you also in the end showed a chart of how they split.
Hungaians: Listen, we are gonna go explore a bit then come back, ok?
*Last seen 1000 years ago*
Great video!
Epique . I think that importance of exchange and influences between Protouralic People and Protoslavic People is still underatted and has lots of important levels linguistic, ethnic etc.
I don't fucking understand why turks claim that Hungarians are turkic people, there is no normal reason for it
According to the early Hungarian history writers the Hungarian Tribal Federation consisted of 7 tribes. Judging by the names 2 of them perhaps were of turkic origin, the Kabars and the Tarjans. Som people mean that the Turks want to show kinship with a European people in order to get closer to Europe.
They are separate language families but they lived along side each other and shared a very similar culture for centuries
They say that because hungarian is not similar to finnish and estonian (two FINNIC languages). People seem to forget that hungarian belongs to the ugric branch and separated much earlier than other languages.
Because there is some linguistic overlap between Altaic(Turkic-Mongol), Uralic/Siberian, Japanese, Korean, and Tungusic Chinese languages. It was once theorized they all had a common origin which was a false imposition, but, they all had significant overlap for there to be commonality which is what lead to the Altaic-Uralic hypothesis.
We MUST preserve these dying cultures and languages
It's all of us.. in Mexico the native Mexican languages are dying..in the US the Native American langauges are extinct.
It's really sad, most of this took place during Industrialization(late 1800s-1900s) .. I hear that in England, there were many variants of English but when the government Standardized the language RP(The Queens English) replaced yorkshire,cockney english and that is the one that we hear today. But most of the languages that are replacing these dying languagaes are languages that were from Monarch families. We also see this in China too as the govt is trying to 'reeducate' cantonese or yughir speakers into Mandarin.
We need to preserve all languages of the world but fist the really endangerd ones.
No
@@robroux5059 those were accents not languages
Here is the thing though, they are being preserved about as well as Russia can manage. Most of them are taught in schools in their respective regions, they have TV channels in those languages. The big ones aren't really going away, but the small ones are kinda beyond saving, because there is no real incentive for kids to speak them. If your village is the only place where that language is spoken, surrounded by other tiny language islands, how do you prevent them from just speaking Russian with each other? Should you prevent it?
Very sad to see them fade away
Yesterday i was trying to find if you did a video about them. Coincidence.
Hungarians, being sent to gulags by Stalin after WWII in the málenkij robot: *"Boys, I have returned"*
Dark humor.
Finno-Ugric people like it.
This map is pretty inaccurate.
To mention just some of the biggest problems:
1. By about 2500 BCE the proto-Finnic and proto-Ugric branchs have already separated from one another.
2. Hungarian lost contact with related languages around 500-600 CE and was already on the Eastern-European steppes, not next to the Mansi and Khanty
3. Finnish was only present in the Southern and Western parts of Finland, until about the 1300's the entire peninsula was dominated by Saami
4. The map shows the Hungarian conquest taking place over 200 years after it actually did.
5. Hungarian presence in the Carpathian Basin was much more prominent than shown both before 1241 and 1541, two periods that did a number on the country.
6. Estonian seems to have too big of a range in 2020
Lovely video :)
Thank you
Hungary ending up in the Pannonian basin seems like such a complicated linguistic shift along a panhandle or something and then you find out they literally just walked there
Rode.
Ahhh my favorite neighbours,greetings from Havasalföld.
Me too favourite neighbors, Romania and maybe Slovakia.
Romanian who likes Hungary?
hi i'm a hungarian language student and i love romanian, its the most interesting latin language:) long live central europe, fuck politics
@@kristoffeher4123 yessss
@@sectorgovernor Why not?The reality is different from what you see in the media. I'm from Transylvania and i know what I am talking about. My deskmate is Hungarian btw.
Great video, greatings from Bulgaria it was us who pushed the Hungarians to migrate west of the carpathian mountains.
Thanks for that, brothers! Now we have good Lands for crops
I think, those were Huns(5th century) and Pechenegs(9th century)
Bulgars and Hungarians are remainings fom European Hunnic Empire
@nothing new yeah both of them are mostly assimilated but Hungarians still have lots of Turkic names, words, traditions, foods etc. and szekelys (biggest minority(Hungarian) in Romania) have moon, star and blue color in their flag which are symbol of Turks
Toni T No, it wasn't. It was the Volga-Bulgars, not you weird balkan-slavic-hellenic mixed mutts.
Finnish, Hungarian and Estonian are the most widely spoken Uralic languages.
And the mordvin.
i'm Nenets, and i would like to know Nenets and Finnish languages (i know only russian😢)
Great job
Thank you
6:10 "But everything changed when the firenation attacked"
Could you please do Austronesian language family? I love your videos, subscribed.
Interesting... Thanks
Great video.
Is the uralic-IE theory still a thing? The origin place of both groups is so close.
Waiting to see the evolution of the whole IE group, like this one, will be very great too.
Indo-European and Uralic languages are totally different and have different origin.
I think that it could actually be a thing, some words are quite similar, like the words for fish, name, finger, and ten, but it requires more study of older languages like the Samoyedic languages which sadly are fading. If there are any words in early Uralic languages that sound similar to early Indo-European languages, they could indeed be related, which is what I believe from the evidence I’ve found thus far.
@@captainch6182 That's not how anything works. Languages just loan words from each other...
@@eksiarvamus Not all the time. Some words derive from older words spoken from broader groups of people. Take the word finger for instance. Finger is purely an English word, it isn't borrowed from any language, but it is descended from a word that was spoken by the early Germanic tribes: *fingraz, it's said to be. Go all the way back to the first Indo-Europeans and you get the word *penkwe which roughly means finger or fingers and also became the word for five.
Look at the Uralic languages now...the Finnish word for finger is sormi, but the thumb is specifically peukalo. Sounds similar to *penkwe. The Sami word is bealgi. close to peukalo. I could go on. Mari:парня (parnâ), Eryza: пелька (pelʹka), Udmurt:
пӧлы (pöly), Komi: пев
, and there is probably more in the Ugric and Samoyedic languages which are unknown to me. You can even draw connections with Turkish parmak, Malayam വിരല് (viral), and even Inuit inuak. The Indo-European and Uralic words sound too similar to be a coincidence. They couldn't have all loaned the same word, could they? I think this suggests that either the word was borrowed from Proto-Indo-European very early on, or that they come from the same word and the first Indo-European and Uralic peoples spoke pretty much the same. Either option is quite plausible, given how close they were.
This is just one word I found, but there are actually quite a lot if you look hard enough and if you try to experiment with how they might've sounded like in a hypothetical Indo-Uralic language.
I could be completely wrong though. I admit that my claims are practically baseless without any written evidence of what Proto-Uralic was actually like. We may never know, but that does not mean there aren't similarities between the families. even if they are superficial. They clearly developed alongside each other.
@@captainch6182 Alongside is not the same as from.
you didnt show all the different saami languages, theyre really different actually, was that to make it less crowded or lack of information, much respect
Tho are they different languages or just dialects?
I live in eastern Finland and sometimes I cant understand what people in Helsinki are talking about due they have butchered the language there. But they call it "Dialect"😂
@@jarskil8862 nah its totally different languages, if you speak southern saami you cant understand anything someone speaking northen saami says, its like swedish and german, just some words here and there are similar
@@hampusboman7143 I didn't know that. Thanks for sharing.
So sad to see these languages fade away :( that's history dying at the same time
I love this diagram! What program are you using to show the map areas, and the timeline?
Thank you. I use paintnet and blender
Hmmm, so this is where *PERKELE* comes from.
SAUNA, SISU, JUMALAUTA, KOSKENKORVA PERKELE!
Nganasans is the most underrated uralic tribe
Nice!
Восхитительное видео, я их всегда жду с нетерпением. Люблю 💙💙
И как Московия может претендовать на Русь?
@@puresoul6827 Новгородская :)
@@puresoul6827вполне спокойно может. Русь кста первоначально было государством славян, финно-угров и варягов. Так что булки можешь раслабить
Some adjustments.
The language on the territory of Estonia was divided into northern and southern since a very long time, it is a very old division, these are two different languages in fact.
Izhorian language and eastern Finnish dialects (North and South Karelia, Savo, the Karelian Isthmus in Russia) are part of the Karelian dialect continuum, and not Western Finnish
Karelian (Izhorians) came to the south of the Gulf of Finland to the region of the Votic language relatively late - apparently in the high Middle Ages.
The Vodic language did not have such a large range in the Middle Ages; it did not occupy the Pskov and Novgorod regions, which were completely Slavicized from the 8th century, and only the western regions of the Leningrad Region were much smaller than on the map.
The Sami lived much south for a considerable time, even in the early Middle Ages, apparently, inhabited most of Republic of Karelia and neighboring territories
Karelians, on the contrary, practically didn’t populate the territory east of Lake Onega and on the shores of the White Sea from the 14-15th century, when the Slavs settled there, before the Slavs, apparently, some group related to the Veps lived there for a short time, and before the Veps, apparently - the Sami.
Finno-Ugric population in most of the Arkhangelsk and Vologda Oblast as the absolute majority of the population in the 15th centuries is doubtful
The center of the Kirov region and the middle course of the Vyatka river were occupied by Slavs for a very long time, even the main hydronymy of the region speaks of it (the name of the region’s main river is Vyatka, purely Slavic, therefore the mass Finno-Ugric presence is absolutely throughout the region, and not only on its southern borders up to the 19th century is simply unrealistic)
Also unrealistic is the presence of moksha on the left bank of the Oka River until the 18th century, when this territory was completely Slavicized from the 10-12th centuries, when the Muroma tribe lived there.
The territories of Nizhny Novgorod and the central regions of the oblast lost the Finnish-speaking population in the 12-14th centuries, when it was the center of a powerful East Slavic principality, and not in the 17-18th.
In the south and south-west of the Nizhny Novgorod region, not Moksha lives, but Erzya, Moksha and Erzya don't divide Mordovia clearly in half, that Moksha on the left and Erzya on the right. It's somewhat more complicated, Erzya lives not only east of Moksha, but also envelops it from the north, remaining in small numbers in the southern regions, the remainder of this Erzya still lives in the west of Mordovia, called Shoksha
The ancestors of the Mordovians and Mari were corroded back in the early Middle Ages, Turkic Bulgars lived between them, and now the Chuvash live, whose language is a direct descendant of the Bulgarian.
Udmurts did not live throughout the entire territory of Udmurtia initially, mainly only in the south and south-west, they gradually settled north and east from the northern regions of Tatarstan (north and east of Arsk) and the southern regions of the Kirov region (Malmyzh), they settled in large numbers in the north of Udmurtia only in the 16-17th century, before them there lived until the 15th century representatives of the Chepetsk culture, apparently related to the Komi-Permyaks. As for the Udmurts, it was still a bit more complicated, but it took a long time to paint it.
Izhorians and ingrian finns are different groups
@@user-ce6iy2nw5o Not really. They differ in religion, but their idioms are very similar.
Kinda sad watching these languages fade out after being around for so long
Hungarian can be very hard, but it is very beautiful, and very... expressive.
Good job, thank you 👍
hungary be like : 700 ac BYE guys miss you late ........ oh hi guys , 900 ac Romenia : who are you ? hungary : am a new friend :)