1st Edition vs 5th Edition Druids in Dungeons and Dragons
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Poor druid, though, I never knew it was so hard to play in 1st edition!
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Do ranger next please xD
Please do rangers I love that class and I want to know more about their terrible past
I didn't remember Druid even being an option in 1st edition until you mentioned you can't level up past level 10 if there are too many pre-existing Druids above that level. You might think all you need to do is hunt down higher level Druids and oh no no no no. You can only challenge for the right to level up once a year at a Druid Moot.
It's a bit sad as well, as Bard is quite close to their mythical origin, especially with Vicious Mockery, as they could literally satrize people to death, and there was nothing their victims could do about it, in irish Legend. And The Class of Bard was even the lower tier one, compared to the master Fili, who were highly educated.
Meanwhile, Druids, historically, were less priests, more learned wisemen who studied ancient traditions, laws, the stars, and so on for years. They were much closer to what D&D calls Wizards. They were the keepers of the culture, which is why the Romans set out to kill as many as they could in Gaul, in order to erase the celtic identity
So you can only level up once a year; meaning you need about ten years? Wtf.
And I thought Bards used to suck.
Can't you then just send party rogue to do it?
@@JuMiKu you could level up more than once in a moot, if you have the exp banked so you may be level 10 running around with a level 14 party then go to your moot and come out level 15.
@@hunterdavid9743 Who thought that was a good mechanic???
Druid is my favorite class by a longshot compared to any other and seeing first edition druid makes me wanna question why it was made like that
Gary Gygax had a vision for the world he created and, sometimes, that vision didn't translate well into play experience.
Same. I am in great pain.
IIRC, Elves weren't even a race... They were a class... A whole class
Back then classes around 9 or 10 changed drastically: Lawful Fighters pledged their services to Clerics and became Paladins, Wizards took on cannon fodder apprentices and built towers, and Neutral Clerics morphed into Druids. It was kind of like an early form of prestige classes, but not as cool. Player feedback improved the classes until finally you could start as a Druid or Paladin from level 1.
Yeah, I mean, druids are my 2nd favorite class, not quite my favorite, but I still feel pretty much the same. That kinda logic on their original design philosophy made my head spin
My first character I ever played was a druid. The first encounter, I cast ice knife - my first spell. I crit failed and damaged my entire party. 10/10 would druid again.
@Robotic Gentlemen The ice knife explodes.
How?
@@Hk-ox4bb Ice Knife is an AOE spell. If their party members were close enough, it could have easily damaged them all.
@@Hk-ox4bb it's Nat 1
That just sounds like bad DMing honestly
What's Barbarian going to be like?
1st edition: AAAAAAHHH!!!!
5th edition: AAAAAAHHH!!!!
Barbarians were so weird. Tripped xp cost, unable to use magic items or even associate with spell casters at low levels.
Barbarian was only added with Unearthed Arcana, which was published much closer to the launch of 2e than 1e. It also.used "won't work with the rest in f the party as a balancing scheme. Cavalier (,and now paladin subclass) also did this. It was an almost worthless book. This. Sure you thi
No memories of druid working remotely like this. Sure you (OSQ) aren't thinking about bard (only that is worse, bizarre, and stuck in the appendix).
Then both stop screaming and make one ad
There was NO barbarian in first and second editions. That is, without using some supplement.
@@wumpusthehunted2628 He's talking about D&D, not AD&D. So a bunch of the earliest books before anyone even thought about revising the rules to a new 'edition'. Mind you, I'd say almost all the subsequent editions are built more from AD&D than from D&D, so... yeah.
What isn't noted here though. Druids gained levels faster than clerics, and in exchange for not turning undead they had access to spells that, in first edition, no one else had. They also gained access to spells faster than clerics or wizards, getting third level spells at third level.
So... yeah. They got a LOT for the armor they didn't need to wear because barkskin.
Not to mention at first-level they have the ability to tame any beast via animal friendships spell. If I remember correctly there's no limits of just one animal at a time
He pokes fun at things just for the jokes. I don't think he actually believes half of what he says. In the 1st edition vs 5th edition videos, he sometimes makes huge mistakes and what he says isn't even true--so I'm not sure if he's even actually ever played old school AD&D LOL! That or he cherry picks things out of the books and puts a spin on it to make it sound ridiculous.
@@Taricus it's called satire and humor. He does know what he's talking about, he's exaggerating the stereotypes of each rendition for comedy
he also must be using the basic rules for 1st edition because in the players handbook for Advanced D&D there is nothing that says you had to take cleric levels first.
@@brycaman658 That wouldn't be in the first edition of blue box or in BECMI either, that wasn't a thing until Rules Cyclopedia.
That wasn’t a battle
It was an interrogation
A sad one 🥺
There are happy interrogations?
@@bleed2blue1 Maybe?🤔
@@bleed2blue1 only ones involving your pets. Dog owners to dogs for example: "Whose a good boy then? Are you a good boy?" Etc.
@@bleed2blue1 “Number one could you please sing the opening to I want I that way?”
Nope, it was a murder.
Fun Druid story time: I have a Druid in 5th edition and this one time her and the rest of the team (a Goblin Rogue and Dragonborn Paladin) are in a tavern trying to get info about the town. The Paladin is dancing while me and the Rogue are chatting with an NPC at a bar table. The NPC tells us the town's guardian and protector disappeared and now thier town is in danger so my Druid (being a bit eccentric as usual) slams her hands on the table and says "I shall commune with this bar table to find out info on the missing person!" And the rogue (who's the logic of the group) says "It's a bar table, it's dead" and I respond "All wood is alive!" So my DM says to roll for it and I get a 19. My DM just put their head in their hands and sighed. So then my character, the rogue and the NPC all get a vision of the missing person from a bar table using my Druid powers.
Oh no, I love her! xD
I roll to intimidate the wood.
@@normaldude101 That actually happened too. This one time (same Druid character) was trying to put together an armor stand but she just couldn't get it. She got mad and yelled at the armor stand "Listen here! You're a piece of wood and I'm a Druid so you listen to me! Put yourself together!" My DM had me roll intimidation and I rolled high enough so the wooden armor stand, out of fear, put itself together.
@@amirhaayers2736 While i love both of the Storys that (might) showcase the classical problem with hey if you roll high eneught it succeds
Thought as a Sort of special Interaction for the charakter that is awesome
@@normaldude101 yes thank you Krod the Angry Carpenter
Particularly after watching Erika Ishii play Danielle Barkstock, I have been in awe of druids. I’m glad to see you capture the unhinged energy of the modern day 5E Druid in this one.
Shepherd summon abuse my beloved.
Do you ever think about hands?
Raptor Geese
My very first dnd character was a Druid, so I was hoping you'd make a 1st vs 5th one for them!
At least Moon Druids can turn into beasts so scary they can beat the everliving crap out of clerics
Multiclass two levels into paladin, and you will be able to smite in your wildshape
@@TheGodlikeDragon the holy giant badger must not be taken lightly
I would be careful though, clerics have access to some rather powerful 1st lv spells. This of course bc no body actually played cleric in previous editions bc it wasn't very good or all they could do was heal. The solution being make them op
@@TheGodlikeDragon Well yes, but only divine smite until you reach level 18 in druid and only if your DM allows it with the natural weapons of the wild shape.
You can't smite with your fists, not even if you are a monk, so an argument could be made that it would not work with the natural weapons of a beastshape either.
If your DM allows it, it might be a nice combo, but I'm not sure it is worth delaying the upgrades like magical attacks at level 6 (delayed until level 8), flying (going from 8 to 10) and elementalshape (going from 10 to 12). Also the archdruid upgrade (no verbal & somatic components = free permanent subtle spell) is pretty nice if you go all the way to level 20.
@@Wanderer24 Run at them with an animal that can knock them prone and do attacks with bonus actions while their enemy is prone. Cleric attacks with disadvantage while you're stomping them with advantage
1st level in first edition was basically what you were years or even decades before 1st level in fifth edition. The entire concept was that you weren’t even a hero yet, you were on the path of becoming a hero and a large part of leveling up was becoming someone who was worth a damn.
That being said, having to become a cleric first to become a Druid made absolutely no sense…
Kinda makes me want to play/run a campaign where you start out as sidekicks. Once you reach a certain level you morph into the full chosen class.
There was a 3.5 thing too... I think it was for advanced NPC's and included a witch in the mix? I'm going to have to go back through my old books if I can find them.
Seems more like an Od&d thing rather than a 1st edition thing. Been a bit but I remember druids being fairly tough.
Like being an Elf in 1st Edition was a class of its own and not a race.
That wasn't actually from 1st edition that was a Basic dnd thing. Basic also came out after advanced despite the naming convention. He basically completely mixed together two different editions of druid and told the worst parts of them.
Uh-oh. Barbarian is learning Sleight of Hand. Soon, we'll have a barbarirogue sneak attacking people.
in DDO, my favorite was Barbarian/Cleric. It wasn't very effective but it was just plain fun to play. Smash heads one second, heal the next XD
I rage and sneak attack! Having a 6 foot 6 half naked barbarian appear from the shadows screaming like a lunatic ready to run a blade through me should be enough to gain advantage, right? I know id be taken off guard by it!
@@chrishubbard64 I think you have to rage somewhere out of sight as the pen and paper version likely has an audio effect, which can alert enemies. Some game even had it where you couldn't drink potions or sneak and etc while raged tdue to it interfering with concentration and causing spastic motions
Shepard Druids after casting conjure animals and getting 140 dpr:
**Bow down mere mortals!**
I once played a shepherd lizardfolk druid called Breq'xit
All my summons were dinosaurs. I transformed the raging barbarian into a T-rex.
Ya uh... It's nothing personal but the session ended 5 hours ago and it's still your turn.
#finethenIlljustrollmydicefaster
Shepard druid own a t-wrex.
@@y2kafka472 simply roll all the dice at once
Raptor cheese go
I love how my spores druid's shillelagh is just *reloads stick with malicious intent* thanks to this channel.
I don't know why but the scene of you basically cocking your weapons/arm always makes me laugh.
Super smooth ad transition. Poor dead Druid being used as the setup though.
1st edition really didn't deserve the slapdown, but shillelaigh worked.
It really didn't, especially since I don't think that was 1'st edition.
3.5 druid is an absolute beast in every sense. They probably carried the druid to 5e
Yeah. That druid was insanely overpowered. I loved every second of it. 😂
Kind of a slow start but from about level 6 forward, they are pretty wild. Be a bear riding your bear companion and leading a group of summoned bears into battle against enemies that are all tangled up by the thorny wild fauna you've bent to your will.
1e druids where actually supremely over powered in a bunch of ways completely ignored in the video. They where essentially a power class.
Looking forward to the bard explaining that you have to take levels in fighter and rogue, then find some druids. Also the stat requirements to actually become a bard are higher than paladins. Actually, 5th ed Bard, might not want to slap 1st ed Bard. He'll beat your ass.
"Oh, you get some charms and illusions? That's cute. I GET THE ENTIRE DRUID SPELL LIST. Eat flamestrike, you prissy loser."
With actual weapons. Like... proficiency with certain martia weapons likelongswords and rapiers without needing to multiclass. (1e requires tou to be a martial FIRST before that)
If a 5e bard rolls high dex or strength stats like bruh going melee saves spellslots. AND THEN STEAL SPELLS AT LVL 10.
Imagine stealing Spirit Shroud at lvl 10, casting it, hitting an enemy and preventing them from healing whole whatever bard subclass you had could add even more stuff.
Damn, these videos really makes us gain some perspective, huh 😅😅 Specially for newer players that never got to experience the older stuff
HOLY SHOT HE LITERALLY WENT FULL DARK AND UNALIVED HIM
Well, he is a druid. Circle of life and such? Druids are normally neutral for a reason.
You don’t understand, they are neutral and not evil so it doesn’t make sense for him to kill someone like that.
@@deepanshugupta2042 It was a mercy kill.
I'm not sure about that
I'm playing a 1st edition campaign as a Monk, I'm really hyped for the 1st vs 5th for this class !
Um…
There is no First Edition Monk.
@@gamemasteranthony2756 Not sure since I've never played first edition but I found this quote on wiki: "Monks appeared in the Players Handbook (1e) (1978), p.30-31, marking their debut as a core class."
So... I guess, I will just post this comment here to see how this convo will develop.
@@Meshifuari probably with all around agreemant, or a thread of threats
@@Meshifuari Really? Strange…I had a 1e book that belonged to my brother. I don’t remember seeing a Monk anywhere in it. Unless the Kara-Tur setting introduced it, I don’t think the Monk became a core class until 3e.
Should you tell him or should I?
He is speaking of the BECMI druid… the 1e Druid is a powerhouse that gets Call Lightning at lvl 3.
Ok that makes more sense. I didn't play much 1st ed but I don't recall any of this.
This is incredibly important to note because the video title is wildly incorrect. BECMI D&D is *NOT* what is generally considered to be the first edition of D&D. The original AD&D is what is commonly labeled as 1e or 1st Edition. The original game is often called 0E, wood box, or white box and the later B/X and BECMI versions are derivations of the game created in conjunction to AD&D.
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And then the 3.5 druid walks in and shows how he was somehow more terrifying than the Wizard in that edition.
I look forward to 1st Edition Bard getting a talking to.
Here's hoping those skills & knowledge of the other classes allows him to face down 5 E Bard.
actually, 5E can get most of those skills for free, can multiclass again (three was the limit back then if I remember right, still is), has better spells, i'm not sure if they are "required" to carry a magical instrument, etc. probably the only classes that can out-do their modern counterparts are classes that could sink excess points into DEX due to pretty much all saves being based upon armor in earlier editions
I got “bardsplained” when 3e came out that having to have fighter and thief levels first was THE REASON they had their stories and songs and knowledge. That just STARTING as a bard made no sense
I mean while that would make sense in some way
If we think about Fables Myths or even these kinds of Heroic storys (especialy with bards in games) Its usualy more so them Telling storys they heard
And well when it comes to musick and being able to basicaly use them for magic Neither of Fighter and thief would even have a Connection to either Musick or Magic
Still i get it with them being more so prestige classes etc
@@nathanielbass771 I think the instrument is your spell focus for a bard, unless you take the College of Swords subclass. So yes, you want to carry an instrument if you plan on casting spells.
1st ed bards are head and shoulders above 5th ed bards. Not only were bards actually difficult to become (the bare minimum was 5th level fighter, 8th level rogue), but you also had to have 15 str/dex/wis/cha, 12 int, and 10 con. Becoming a bard was DIFFICULT. The thing is, once you became one, you were incredibly versatile. You kept all your fighter and rogue abilities, so bards could pick locks, disarm traps, climb walls, etc, just like any other rogue, but also could cast spells straight from the druid spell list. Not a modified version with just illusions, charms, etc, but ALL the spells off the druid list, and they could cast up to 5th level spells. So you could have a bard toss out an insect plague, wall of fire, etc.
Paladin: *cocks sword* GET SMITE!
Druid: *cocks stick* GET SHILLELAGH!
Addbarian your Druid didn’t die, he was the murderer
He was mourning 1e druid
@@kingstewie01 ya but he didn’t know him, probably
To clarify: in 1E Druid was a sub-class of cleric but you started at 1st Level as a Druid. They could use metal weapons (like scimitar and dagger among others) but only leather armor and wooden shields. They had a maximum level of 14, like monks in 1E maxed out at level 17. The Druid class had excellent abilities like at 7th Level they got the shape change ability (similar to wild shape in 5E), but in addition to the benefit of the animal form the change healed 66% of the damage the Druid had accrued prior to that change. They had numerous other abilities to go along with that like pass without trace that was a constant effect but I don't recall what level that was gained at (and I'm not going downstairs right now to look it up). And a funny point to make is that, by hit points, they had the most damaging spell in the 1E Player's Handbook. It's a 7th Level spell called Creeping Doom. It's effect was that it basically summons 500-1000 biting insects that each bite doing 1 HP of damage and the bug dies after it bites whoever is in the area of effect. I can sum up my experience by saying the 1E Druid was different but deadly. Also to clarify, the Paladin was a sub-class of Fighter in 1E, but you started as a Paladin at Level 1 (and it was very hard to make a Paladin because the stat requirements were very hard to achieve with the character creation methods of the time). And I really got a laugh out of the video as I always do. Lol!
Thank you. This was bothering me.
My 20th Level Shephars Druid, looking past a plot to murder an insane king and finding a way to redeem the said king: "I see you."
Same level 20th Druid who fell into a well bcs she was curious as to why everyone was avoiding it. Didn't get the memo that there was a thief down there and was dump enough to try it out: "You, I did NOT see."
I love the Druid, because it's few of the classes that has a high wisdom. Druids understand a lot about nature, about morals, ethics and how people use and see them. They have a lot of insight in how the world works. But they are also dump as bricks when need be, because they also don't really care. They are chill. Less ambitious. Lovely himbos, you could say.
"We're a lot like clerics."
Me: *stares at the Christian erasure of pagan worship and history* "Yeah. That's what they all say."
The only reason we know anything about the history of European paganism was because Christian monks wrote it down. Believe or not, the largely illiterate non-Roman pagans of Europe didn't exactly write too much about their culture.
@@supremeleadersmeagol6345 I studied history in university, I'm more than aware of the records Christians wrote down. But while we can appreciate them for they have done, we shouldn't ignore their alterations to narratives.
@@SwordTune This. As a neopagan myself, I have very conflicted feelings about the Christian monks who wrote down the Celtic myths of my ancestors. On the one hand, it's nice that they preserved *something* but on the other hand, maybe if they didn't go around genociding every belief that wasn't theirs, such preservation wouldn't have been necessary.
About ten minutes spent online puts the decline of the druids as starting with their being outlawed by Rome in the second century or earlier (sources in conflict). The history of Christianity in the region doesn't start until the third century at the very earliest. The record of which is peaceful and based on teaching and ministry, not violence.
I don't know if you're trying to defame the church or just using hyperbole because internet, but either way thanks for giving me the excuse to add a bit of history to my morning.
@@Ryvaken Never once did I mention violence, or that Christians directly caused the decline of other pagan practices. What I said is that they contributed to the alteration and erasure of the history by writing the history from their own perspective.
Now to sit back and wait for the 3.5 druid to show up.
I love how a lot of these are basically the 5th edition one being “So YOU’RE the reason no one takes us seriously!”
I made a warforged druid for fun story reasons and only after I started playing them did I realize how accidentally OP it was
Hey, I also played a warforged druid.
Subclasses in 1st edition didn't work the same as 5th. A subclass was a separate class of a similar type. You didn't need cleric levels to play a druid
Was thinking the same thing. Bards on the other hand....
@@loganfields159 Bards were essentially a prestige class, before such things existed.
@@tomkerruish2982 lol with the extra challenge of not gaining XP if you dared use the abilities of your prerequisite classes. "Taking a new class" was totally different from "multiclassing" back then. AD&D was such a totally different animal. Bring back Bend Bars/Lift Gates!
Props to you for adding that bit where you angrily shook the plants after it fell off accidentally
Yep, I feel for 1st Edition Druid. I went through the exact same bs in my PF1e campaign basically. Was a cleric, managed to find some armor and weapons and a playstyle that really meshed with the party and thag I loved. Then the dm told me about an archetype I should take, aaying it was “In Character” and “Very Fitting”. In CONCEPT, it was- an Angelfire Apostle on a cleric who weilds healing magic and the flames of the sun? Sounds awesome, right?
Wrong, because I ended up taking it and had to sell off all my armor to get a new LIGHT armor set, while having only 11 Dex. Meaning with a +2 armor and my shield? 16 AC. The only person lower was the wizard. This meant I died (yes, DIED) the FIRST SESSION after I had to make that change, going though 5 more months of BS shenanigans under that dm with this bs archetype before I retired the character for something else- WHICH I WASN’T EVEN ALLOWED TO PICK FOR MYSELF!
I ended up leaving that campaign less than 5 sessions after the character swap.
So I feel for First Edition Druid, I can inly imagine the horror since it’s my situation 10fold.
yikes sounds like that DM was intentionally sabotaging your character
@@themadichib0d I wouldn’t be surprised since he also told us not to plan out feats and such, calling it metagaming, and to just “develop your characters naturally”.
Again, read the system we were playing. Pathfinder 1e. Where bad choices will get you slaughtered, andnot planning ahead is basically a death sentence.
Sorry, that was just a bad DM.
If you force (or convince) a player to change their character you should at least accomadate them, not ostacolate them.
For the forced choise of the second character i don't even need to say anything.
You did well leaving, good for you.
@@misticsword7561 Yeah, the worst part was that I only left because I had lost my voice to Covid in November, and when I realized how much happier I was, having missed the session and not talked in server all week, I just stopped talking there all together. A quiet departure.
Pathfinder you need to plan for every choice your going to make as your character develops, asand do that at character creation. You have to optimize, or you're going to be loaded down with worthless abilities and no way out.
People who like to optimize and really get into the rules really enjoy the game, but for a casual, or first timer, Pathfinder can be overly complicated.
I’m just imagining a rouge Druid assassin who turns into a fly and sneak attacks and one shots the BBEG
3.5 druid: *cackles maniacally in the background*
to be honest, Druids are game breakingly OP, ever notice that most pre-con campaign modules dont have Druid included with their class list?
Lost Mines is rendered a low threat campaign with just 1 druid.
2 druids makes it a light workout.
3 druids just breaks it.
"YeAh, BuT tHeY cAn'T wEaR aRmOr!"
Also, Candlekeep Mysteries is _totally_ not a D&D supplement (released March 16, 2021), and Serpent Scale Armor totally _isn't_ an uncommon suit of armor made out of serpent scales (thus wearable by Druids), located somewhere in the general vicinity of page 98.
That's crazy talk. You're crazy talk. Stop being crazy talk.
@jamil nielsen Pathfinder 1e still is 3.5 compatible, and there's only so much you can balance to keep being compatible
My favorite class is cleric and my least favorite is Druid, now after watching this I understand a bit why and are just plain confused why this was a thing
For this series to continue long enough we’ll need to visit all the editions of Dnd, 2nd, 3rd, 3.5, and perhaps even breaking the unspoken rule and talking about…….*dun dun DUUUUN* the dreaded 4th edition, and compare them ALL to 5th edition
He'll need to redo this one with actual 1st edition rules though. This sounds like Basic d&d.
The CZcams channel called "Daddy Rolled a 1" has a really fantastic "history of D&D series" that basically does this. They're pure informational, so not comedic like this, but man, as a millennial who wasn't even alive when 1st Edition came out, I learned a LOT, and it really helped me understand why D&D of today is the way that it is. Highly recommend, and no, I have no affiliation with that guy's channel.
I imagine how the 1st edition Fighter vs 5th edition Fighter is going to go
So you still only attack?
Yup.
Swords and stuff?
Yup
And you still get outshined by the wizard
Yup
Wow... Yeah we really didn't change much.
Wizard attrition at low levels was the selling point for 1st Ed fighters
@@trappyboi8678 "...At least we've got a stronghold and an army of followers, right?"
"You have WHAT--"
When you run out the of classes, maybe you could switch to monsters like the tarasque
Ayo that ending with AdBarian was actually clean. I had to watch it back a second time to see how it was done.
This is the funniest one yet, I love how part of the costume fell off, keep up the good work.
Ok so do i have to subscribe to see how big the costume closet is? 🤣
I love your skits and share them with my son. Good job!
3.5 / Pathfinder Druids would like to enter the chat. "Im sorry both you combined are NOTHING compared to what we can do!"
There wasn't even the option for 5th edition to lose
I love how they make fun of each other
What happened after cocking the staff was a mercy.
Only in BECMI do you have to go through all the Cleric stuff first, in 1e AD&D you start as a Druid, in the PHB you Cap out at Lv14 (with full D8 HD not +1HP/level starting Lv10 like Clerics), but if you have the UA you get an other level of Druid before you become a DemiGod at levels 16-23 without having to dip in to the rules in L&L (nee D&D).
As a cleric lover as my favorite class, this video is great! I also love that your hairpiece fell out and you kept going! Lol! Keep up with the great content!
Hey man just wanted to say I laugh at every video you put out, big fan, keep up the awesome work
2nd edition is a major step up for Druid.
Mostly by going all the way to level 20. This isn't how you make druid in 1st edition. You just start at level 1 like the other classes.
@@sporf_sporf the unearthed arcana for 1e added levels for druids all the way up to 25 actually. It is a bit of an arcane process to get there, but they get some cool abilities as a result and lose the debuff the manual of the planes put on them.
Yeah the 2nd Ed Druids Handbook was AMAZING. So many class options.
1st edition druid: At least I wasn't a ranger
That was the smoothest ad-barian I’ve ever seen. Bravo.
Gee, nobody tell him what you had to do to become a bard.
I’ve been waiting for this
I mean, I'm not exactly someone who gravitates towards druid. But the 5e druid compared to past editions is definitely on the better end of the power spectrum. Even if we stick to straight up PHB subclasses, it can be a stand-in tank with Moon or decent full caster with Land.
That wasn't 1e druid in the video. 1e druid gets 3rd level spells at level 3, is far less restricted in what it can turn into, and is generally a powerhouse. that was basic druid which are a modification to clerics that they can take to gain access to nature spells.
That ad was one of the smoothest I've seen
Damn, I basically replicated the 1st edition druid as the character arc for my 5th edition druid who started out as a Nature Domain Cleric because The Essentials Kit did not include druid as a class option.
It was very epic to transition after that lackluster Cleric subclass though. Plus I have found a lore reason to keep the armor so yay!
That transition to the add was metal... Like our displate posters!
By tradition, the druids climb the ranks of their order by challenging the people above them to a death match.
1:35 dang, even artificer had to get involved
Dude i could listen to your little outro beat for hours
When advertisement is even better than the sketch...
To be fair, at least it meant something when you became a Druid or a Paladin back in the day. For some ideals you had to actually progress your character, instead of just choosing from an ever expanding drop down menu.
So instead you choose at a later point from an smaller dropdown menu...such wow much awesome
@@philgol8126 Nah, it was more like special classes rather than subclasses.... like something to unlock, I guess. You didn't really see the special classes very often, because they weren't always the easiest to unlock for your character.
Well yhea you did need to build for them but in the end thats roughly the same as saying that today it actualy means something to reach level 15 since you had to progress
In the end unless it realy shapes the gameplay (in a way other then the abilities stats etc of the class since well thats still there) its just a later part of the game and while today you can basicaly just choose classes from the get go you can still work towards specific builds you wanna pull off (also subclasses are still a thing they are just slightly less demanding so yhea guess these "Special" classes are no longer a thing)
Mostly just shiftet that aspect from being a set class into something you come up with
@@LittleDanny9899 Though somewhat related, I wouldn't say it is really the same as reaching lvl 15. For example, to be a Paladin you would have to have exceptional attributes, which really meant something in a time were stat rolling was the main creation method. So your character was either "born special" (aka you rolled really well) or you had to commit to certain stat upgrades while adventuring, even if the individual increases weren't of much use to you. Also you had to be human, had to adhere to a strict moral code and alignment or forsake all your powers, and would gain things like castles and armed forces later in the game, such shaping it's flow and the way you'd play it. Another example would be that if you'd wanted to progress past lvl 10 as a Druid, you had to fight and defeat one of the 4 Druids above that level (there were canonically only ever 4 "Archdruids" above lvl 10). So class choice would shape storytelling greatly.
I'm not, btw, saying the old or new way is better. To each their own, play the game as you enjoy it the most. But back then, when you or one of your teammates actually managed to become a Paladin or a high level Druid, it really felt like it meant something, something different from "wow we all reached lvl 15". I Guess it's a bit like trying to explain why older mmo-gamers prefer original EverQuest over World of Warcraft. To some the extra work is just worth the reward, to others it's just unnecessary hassle.
@@LittleDanny9899 I mean, really, it is kinda hard to compare 1st and 2nd with 5th edition. You can see the flavor and the rules that have been reskinned to work in 5th, but yeah. You just reminded me of demihuman level limits. The game has changed a lot in like... what? 50 years?
I don't know if you played older editions, but getting to 15th wasn't too easy and a lot was front loaded into character creation in AD&D. I like how they included school specializations for wizards as a subclass due to leveling up in 5th. and it is pretty cool to be able to play whatever you like in 3rd and onward. I do know that when I play 2nd, people always get excited and feel special when they roll good stats and can play some of those special subclasses though. Admittedly, I know 2nd a lot better than I know 1st, but it was rare to see a paladin. They needed at least a 17 charisma in 2nd. I don't think I've ever seen one rolled naturally.
Old school AD&D also made those classes stronger than others and just made it harder to actually be them--or people would always pick them lol 😆 It was just a different design concept, because they were playing out things from books and mythology. Today, we balance everything and just unlock all the classes--probably because it gets more players and inspiration from video games and movies.
I personally like both styles. I still play 2nd and still play 5th. Edition wars don't really matter to me. I can see the fun in rolling a super powerful character in a special class and the fun in playing anything i want and everything being balanced.
I would actually even say that the old school version of getting in these special classes was the precursor to 3rd edition's prestige classes... and that morphed to 4th's tiers, which then became 5th's subclasses. It just changed over time as the rules changed and the design influences changed from books and mythology to other types of media.
When everyone talks about how 3.5 is just so pure, because it is Gary Gygax's original vision.
I point out that he designed first edition.
3.5e Warlock vs 5e Warlock.
That one will be a blast.....And Eldritch Blast.
Nice trick at the end, well played!
Forest and Mountain Druids can both cast Spider Climb for FREE. What’s not to love?!
this was no vs... this was a murder
Those barbarian transitions are perfect!
Ad-barian just keeps getting better and better. Kudos to you man.
The sponsored ad transition tho! Smooth asf 🤣
I just am addicted to this content!
I LOVE PLAYING DRUID! Wildshape and summoning and nature magic.
A month ago we finished a 8-9 month long campaign and I played a druid throughout and I really enjoyed it
I unfortunately don't have a group to play with:(
But I have created 12 different lvl 1 characters in case I found a group:)
Anyway, I created a Chaotic Neutral Female Sun Elf Druid Gate Warden background planning Circle of Spores. Eventually she can have 7,500 yr potential lifespan!!!
Uh, the cleric becoming a druid wasn't part of 1st Edition (AD&D). You've mixed up the BECMI (basic D&D) rules, where druid start as standard clerics for nine levels with AD&D where druids are a separate class at first level.
This argument would work for the AD&D bard, however...
Im expecting 1st and 5th barbarian to just scream and somehow understand as though it is some type of complex language.
I like how he changed it and then it was back literally the next scene
That's not how Subclasses worked in AD&D
Honestly that Displate ad segway earned my like all by itself! xD
Can't wait until he gets to Bards, which were goddamn tanks and near-impossible to generate with honest, old-school stat rolling.
Great video, keep it up!
that ad transition was smooth
Yes, he does make he happy with his sneaky snake dance :)
The magical Displate coming through in your time of need.
That was a lot of aggression.
This is hilarious as always. Love your videos!
my first character was an eleven druid of the moon (ik clique)
i had a than rookie DM and we didnt know i couldnt turn into a flying creature
was scouting forts as a lvl 2 druid falcon (best game of my life)
"Before we continue this funeral, I'd like to thank our sponsor, Displate!"
I've been waiting so long for this one 😂😂
Ahhhh, Adbarian....my smile is immeasurable and my day is greatly improved.
Bruh- that sponsorship was an amazing transition
Jesus. This was a bigger curbstomp than the Paladin fight.
Hmmm, I do not recall my druids in AD&D needing to be clerics before they became druids. We never ran the game that way, ever.
Well that was a quick VS match, poor 1st edition Druid.