I don't need it... - 500Hz Alienware AW2524HF
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With the rise of Esports, monitors have had to get better FAST, and Alienware's new AW2524HF is bringing 500Hz gameplay down to a more accessible price. With some features missing from its older brother, will Plouffe find this to be worth the wait?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Pretty much the fastest
0:47 Unboxing
2:56 Design and stand adjustments
4:39 Does FPS Matter?
5:07 Buttons and IO
5:43 Sponsor - Nord Security
6:35 Setup and LABS colour accuracy results
7:55 Frame time and ghosting issues
10:29 Playing at 500Hz in CS:GO
12:06 HDR thoughts in Doom Eternal
13:40 Pricing and overall thoughts
14:54 Outro - Věda a technologie
He waited longer than I thought he would to mention that he has an Alienware monitor.
Facts
19 fucking seconds
Boom. Roasted
Yeah alineware people are like the Linux users of hardware
@@AlejandroCaicedoPUJ I dunno... didn’t mention the model like a distro
Labs should test the latency on the mouse if goes to the monitor USB hub compared to the motherboard/front panel connectors
The funny thing about showing off a 500 Hz monitor on a video is that none of us can actually see the difference it makes lol
even irl none of us are gonna be able to tell the difference. hell even 240 most people aren't gonna be able to tell the difference. the only real jump that people could actually tell the difference was 60 to 120/144
@@Stackaliand even with 120/144 the novelty wears off after a minute
@@StackaliIdk man. I've heard some people who can't go back to 144 after being 240 users for a while.
Well, they could have the shutter speed of the camera higher than 1/500 of a second, but that would probably make the video look pretty bad.
@@redcrab6965YT is 60fps, this video physically is not capable of showing us this monitors refresh rate
Video Suggestion - If you haven't done this video already, could you please consider TESTING the comment made from the 1:38 mark. I upgraded my monitor which also gives me this option, and the first thing I wondered is would it introduce lag if you plugged in your mouse & keyboard (or any other USB item) directly into the monitor. So I didn't take the chance. Would be great to actually see proper graphs if that is the case?
I was about to write the exact same comment. Yes please!!!
Given how important low input lag is, I always err on the side of not introducing any.
USB hubs do not introduce any latency what so ever. There have been tests of this.
Yes it will. You're going from the monitor to the PC instead of directly to the PC's motherboard or PCIE USB slots. That will always introduce lag.
@@AriocKaichi that is still about the same distance in total and the signals are traveling at light speed anyway so you will not notice that
5:20 I actually really like the internal power instead of a brick. I much rather cable management all of those cables that are in one spot than having a brick I got to figure out how to put against the desk and have it not be in line of sight so internal power like that even if the monitor is bigger or heavier yeah I'm happier having that. I like it. I don't think there is ever a world I am in that I will need a 500 hz but if they can do that with an ultrawide then I will consider it lol
its good until the internal power goes out and you have to buy a new one versus just buying a new Power Brick
It’s nice to have the length and not having to buy a long power cable but that varies from person to person
Yeah, wirh alienware they are notorious to have crap battery. I had their top of the line laptop, and it battery became unsuable as soon as garanty expired. For this company external brick is a way to go. Otherwise, it would be so expensive to fix.
power supply is the first barrier or safety in any electronics, while internal is cool and all, it have highest failing rate, if something broke, you either send back for repair for 2 to 4 weeks, counting the transfer times, or buy a new one, meanwhile with external brick you can just buy a new one for 20 to 30 dollars as long as it meet the spec
@@Simon-tr9hv Ohh I see 🤔 I appreciate how so many people were willing to help inform me of the reasons behind an external power supply. I really didn't think much to it in terms of failure rates or needing to replace it and stuff. I often just keep things tidy and clean and just try to keep what I buy for years it doesn't cross my mind that they could fail or I'd need to replace them.
Thank you, and I thank everyone else. Perhaps the time it takes to hide an external brick isn't the worst thing in the world in terms of cable management.
Can we please have an update on the old video of different resolutions with different refresh rates to see what people prefer in a blind test? It would be really interesting to see what people prefer with the crazy updates to refresh rates.
No mentioning of any overdrive mode for the pixels to improve the response times?
This monitor would benefit heavily from Nvidia ULMB sync, but since it doesn't have the module it's never gonna happen. If it does support at least some kind of strobing, testing that, or at least mentioning that would be nice, probably better than looking at 450 nits HDR without FALD. Also since you don't do monitors anywhere else but here, at least some basic measurments from your labs (like measuring at least the native panel response times, without any overdrive to see what kind of panel are we really working with here) would add great value to the video. Another question, what about overdrive ? Pretty sure you will have to switch between various overdrive settings to get the best experience with that kind of VRR range.
I am assuming the Panel does not hit the pixel shifting in the window to have no ghosting so 500Hz is not really gonna feel good at all.
Something that would be really cool see would be 500 HZ OLED
1440p
540hz
OLED
540€
The dream xD
4k
540hz
Oled
Best combo
Native 4k 540hz
8k 680hz OLED 0.0 ms
480hz OLEDs are coming next year
I think running it at 480 might have produced better results? Not every panel might perform the best when overclocked..
@1:53 would love this to be tested as I also use the built in hub of my monitor to plug in my mouse. Curious if it adds any delay
The reason for the ghosting is that the pixel response time is an average of 2 ms on this monitor. This means the color transitioning isn’t as fast as the images it wants to display! The asus 540 hz doesnt have this issue
Like for everyone to see only altruistic intention here
Just for information, C13 is the plug connector, the monitor power inlet is actually called C14, not C13 like you would maybe think.
I actually have the dongle for the Xbone Elite 2 Gamepad on my monitor, and I never noticed any latency issues... that said, I play turn-based stuff or at most semi-arcade racing games with the gamepad, so it's not really any twitchy stuff where it would be noticeable if at all there.
i wonder if the jump from 144 to 500hz is also as mindblowing and NOTICABLY smoother as 60 to 144hz.
my eyes can't see any difference between 60 and 144hz. I know that there is a difference by my eyes just can't see it.
No, the point of diminishing returned kicked in way back.
30 to 60 is huge, 60 to 144 is super minor, 144 to 500 i double you could notice.
@@iaina3251yeah, buddy. You probably didn't actually change your refreshrate in the windows settings...
@@Winston-198460 to 144 is not minor in the slightest, you saying that means you either never touched one of didn't change the refreshrate in windows
@@GroteGlon Lol, that's cope if i ever read it.
Its high in number, agreed.
Don't fool yourself.
😆
I was wondering if the ghosting and weird blurriness has something to do with the overdrive on the monitor that bumps it from 480 to 500hz.
That maybe possible maybe they should do a comment of we tested it with Override off and this is what we found out
Vsync has nothing to do with ghosting, the overdrive settings help with that. Doing monitor review unboxings talking about ghosting without even covering the overdrive settings is disingenuous
100% why didn't we test the different overdrive settings on this video? That's such a standard setting to test out to clear up ghosting properly. Big miss here.
“BuT ThIs iS a fiSRt ImPreSsioNs ChanNel”
Plouffe talking monitors is one of my favorite categories of youtube
LOL, I just realized. I think HDR would be wasted on me. That discussion about how the whole screen brightens up without the HDR, basically describes my life with astigmatism.
To be fair shake your head that fast and the things you're looking at would get blurry as well. However I totally agree that it a bit unnecessary, especially when it restricts the screen size by so much. Could you link 2 or 3 screens together and still keep the same hertz speeds or would the linking reduce it down? Even then if you can link them and get the same gains or at least close to it I can't see it being needed by anyone but professional gamers who might actually need and react fast enough to get the gains. Also at that price and the fact in my opinion you'd need at least 2 linked if possible then you'd need to be a pro gamer to justify the cost of buying them.
Surprised that there are no pixel overdrive settings, which would help a bit with ghosting. Even at 500fps, if you have ghosting it's extremely distracting to play CS!
Did he mention anything about overdrive? 'Cause if he did I completely missed it. Spending so much time on ghosting without a word about overdrive would be a massive oversight.
@@jogeem5480 he only mentioned turning it on for 500 FPS
if you're running a modern game at say 90fps on a 500fps monitor, would something like GSYNC be useless because it can already slot the frames in a much more natural way?
putting a 500hz monitor into black frame insertion mode would make an insane clarity monitor at 225hz equivelent.
idk what ya talkin about but that sounds cool af
@@ScrubCrusher69 same here lmfao
Zowie is frothing at the mouth to do this
How did you get 225? Wouldn't it be 250?
@@zlac i may have been slightly drunk writing that comment. but the black frame insertion part still stands
One of the things I had to do to remove as much of the ghosting is to disable Freesync.
Plouffe, you've got good music tastes. Allen Stone is a fantastic artist!
So how much badness does the extra 20Hz add to image quality etc?
What is the point of such a fast refresh rate when the pixels don't actually switch fast enough.
5:27 i think one of the displayport metal bits around the connector is bent.
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Plouffe... Love the monitor you're with... It's a wonderful monitor and this can't give you the life you really want...the one you already have, in all its ultrawide OLED goodness.
Does this monitor have ULMB or ULMB 2 ? And can i use it at 500hz ? or i need to downgrade hz to 360 or smt?
Motion Blur Enabled. BAD! STAP!
Was motion blur on? Also i saw some reports of CS2 having the perception of motion blur even when its turned off. I guess that's what you may be experiencing on this particular game.
Or they had the game not at 500hz
Is it just me or is the centre DP port mangled? Maybe it's just reflecting light weird.
If that's an HDMI 2.1 port, why doesn't the display support the full 1080p@500Hz over it? It only requires ~31.1Gbps out of the rated 48Gbps supported by the spec. Would've been great to be able to just hook up an HDMI 2.1 capture device once it got support for that mode and game and stream from a two-system setup.
As it stands, you have to use something like NDI or stick to HDMI 2.0 bandwidth, both of which are compromises you shouldn't have to settle for with an HDMI 2.1 display.
They're not real 2.1 unfortunately. Look it up
More curious at this point when you have diminishing returns on to high a Hz!?
monitors for me are something that I'm not sure need to be upgraded anytime soon. I play all my competitive FPS on an 240hz predator and anything else i use my 4k dell and ive had both for years.
What’s that black box on the desk?
I think a 240hz 24inch 1080p OLED would be better.. Shame they dont make OLED so small :/
The small piece of plastic sticking out for the headphone mount would drive me nuts.
CS2 on Vulkan may have fixed that jittering frames.
Where's the Lenovo Legion Go review?
if you doing 240 hz vs ppl doing 60 hz you got like 4x as much frames to aim your thing, but its diminishing returns its like applying more iterations of newtons method to find the thingy
Is it okay if you guys add Rhythm games to the tests?
Other than FPS ganes, I feel like rhythm games have alot to do with frames.
LoL, Isn't the fps counter he showed in ufo test, The sam as the one in Bakkesmod (Rocket league)?
Hey what kind of monitor do you own? Is it an Alienware by any chance
Does it even make sense to connect your mouse to the monitor if you want to save a usb port on you computer? Because then you would have to connect the monitor to the computer with a usb cable, which would use the usb port you just saved 🤔
(Yes, I know you could get rid of that with a single cable connection via thunderbolt or so, but it was mentioned in regards to the A to B cable, which doesn't make sense in my opinion 🤷🏼♂️)
Well, there's 4 ports on the monitor. Just plug in more than lne thing and you're saving ports on the pc.
Wait why would you need an external power brick, like he mentioned?
How is the Asus 540Hz not out if optimum tech did a review a month ago?
I got AW2723DF and I'm very satisfied, Alienware makes very decent monitors. Honestly I can't see any difference between my 165hz laptop screen so I turned 280hz OC off. Also everything is great, safe packing, build quality, power supply is bulit in, cable management, coat is a little glossy, borders almost dont exist, it's update-able due to usb connection. It feels like the monitor for next 10 years. There are some things that I can't make use of like 2x audio outputs or outside usb ports which will only look good with wireless mouse/keyboard dongle. Also headphone hanger is unusable, monitor tilts left if you dont have very light headphones, but that's not a big deal anyway.
"500 Hz Badge" That's a sticker brother.
Genuine question: why do modern displays still come with usb-b ports?
Makes it clear that it's the "downstream" port. I can see myself getting confused if I looked at the bottom of my monitor and saw 4 seemingly identical ports but also I dum
Ahh yes the brand stickers so I can rep the brand to myself the next time I forget what brand of monitor I bough 😂
The story of how plouffe now has a new monitor
Overdrive? How do you go on about ghosting for so long without mentioning it?
Got a used AW3423DWF for $700 a couple months back, and couldnt be happier with it!
I've just ordered a refurbed one for £650, look forward to replacing my dell VA panel
When the mouse was spinning holy shit.
I think the 4th the ST (Status) will be a luxury ship like the Phoenix
Plouffe sees a screen he doesnt wanna buy 😢 that's growth!
My aw2623hf has flickering and tearing i tried everything. What can i do?
Whats the frog test called?
In the ufo test website.
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Well now this doesn’t make sense cuz they changed the video title >=[
I was interested until you said it was 1080p. IMO even esports should be up on 1440p now.
At 500fps you would figure it to be lazer smooth. Granted the game itself needs to be built to even go that high.
If games dont benefit from the refresh rate, seems like great tech that impacts only competitive shooters.. which I do not play, sure i rant my gsmes.to be super smooth. But I want my colors to look better to match.
Granted maybe when i upgrade .y old cpu the things might change as I limit my fps.for what I expect games to use
Bruh ! why are you not showing OD settings ?!
I love seeing an internal power supply as opposed to an external brick
Awesome, I do want 4K 240Hz with 1080p 500Hz mode.
Y'all need to test ULMB 2
What's up with the subtitles being so long they go all the way across the screen and multiple lines?
knock it down to its native 400/480Hz and run your tests again, maybe there is a problem with its over-boosting to 500
You dont really save a USB port on the computer since you still have to plug in the monitor USB cable. :P
Nvidia's Gsync certifications/features are way too expensive of an upgrade. I may consider a $25 to $50 increase, but 200 is absurd.
My 2000 series can only brrr 🤏this hard to do 144Hz.
Is that an Allen Stone shirt?!
Confused, Optimum already reviewed the 540Hz like a month ago.
why though? Nothing runs at that
Can't wait for the ROG Swift PG32UCDM
Wtf did they do to that display port??
whats rhe diffwrence between a commercial and this video?
Falcon Northwest as well !!
"This was worth waiting for" - original title
.
"I don't need this" - new title
I still get right up there with a 32'' screen!
Why do you talk about overdrive settings?
Any recommendations for a monitor around $250? Has to be 1440p atleast.
Gigabyte M27Q
Samsung G5? Its been great for me
@@barrachmedosama I'd second that. I use one as my main monitor at home, and it's got nice I/O to go with a decent display.
LG usually has some pretty good deals and great panels
I'm waiting for a 4k 240 Hz OLED.
Supposedly coming out early next year!! It's 32' though :/
@@keppycs I'm spoiled with a 42" C2. Use it for a lot of different things. Gaming, movies, TV and sim racing. It fits all 3 very well.
You can wanted to get Swift Rog Pro on 540hertz more smooth then better!
I feel like someone is watching me, I just watched the 500fps gaming pc stream vod they had from 7 months ago and then suddenly this video drops? Talk about timing
How old is this content?!
If QD OLED could please get more common and cheaper, and get rid of ALL burn-in, that'd be great...
Oled also have ghosting because of hold time, current oled can not burst very bright light for small time period because it damage the pixels. Also new oled 500 hz will be availible in 2024. Lets hope new 500 hz oled can not be dimm.
Allen Stone is fire.
One of the display ports is bended.
I sure hope that's not a new monitor. Screen full of fingerprints? Bent shielding on the displayport socket? WTF?
Also, you need to overclock to get only a 4% more Hz? How hard is that panel driven already if they only can get 4% more?
It makes no sense that HDMI 2.1 would be bottlenecked to 240 Hz at 1080P. HDMI 2.1 spec is capable of 1080 at 480 Hz.
1080p at 240 is HDMI 2.0 spec
Makes you wonder why they even bothered with adding that port! They could’ve saved some money
DP 1.4 spec is 32.4Gbps
HDMI 2.1 spec is 48Gbps
Did they just completely butcher the implementation?
How did he get into CSGO¿ the video is only 3 days old. CS2 is out 2 weeks ago…
Using the Monitor for the dongle to save a port, but needs a port for the cable. ;p
I have an Alienware 240hz 1080p and I would rather have a 4k 144hz now since I stopped playing competitive
I don't even know any if any of my games support that high fps.
What is CS:GO? Can't find it at Steam