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why do you make it look like it is a real Wenamun Report? It is a peace of modern fiction wrote by modern Egyptologist and is not even remotely connected with the true Wenamun story.
I'm a bit perplex because Wikipedia's account of the Story of Wenamun (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_of_Wenamun ) is very different, even if also treated as presumed fiction: Bader is lord of Dor (Tjeker city in Retenu), not a lesser pirate, who rejects giving off goods for free to Wenamun, who must ask for silver to the Pharaoh to pay, then he's blown off course to Cyprus where the story is cut off. Much less interesting than this version of course but which is the correct one. I suspect this is a beautiful but modern reinvention of Wenamun's story, full of details such as the baked clay tablets of Ugarit that can only be known to modern people and would not be noticed by a raider most probably or the intromission of the "furry women", clearly based on Hanno's voyage ("gorillas", probably chimpanzees in fact) that happened much later in time and that is hard to believe could have been experienced or even imagined by a Bronze Age Mediterranean sailor. Also the story does not break off as you announce at the beginning: it is a full story. "Si no e vero e ben trovatto", that much I concede but I would like to know if this is the real Story of Wenamun (seems to me it is not) or the real story is the very different one I read about at Wikipedia, more prosaic short-ish and clearly unfinished (and with no clear mention of the Sea Peoples). PS - Made a search and all the versions I find are consistent with Wikipedia and NOT with this version. Example 1: an English version of the story: www.ancient.eu/article/1087/the-report-of-wenamun-text--commentary/ Example 2: a cartoon version of the story (rather fun): www.thecommononline.org/the-misadventures-of-wenamun/
I don't care who the actual author, or originator of this story is. The fact is that even though it uses patently literary devices, it asks a very specific question. A question that would be befitting of an individual in command of an Army as it provides crucial Intelligence, as well as ensures rich rewards. To wit: What is the motivating factor. Not only that it tells us that if not prior to the defeat then at least very soon thereafter the Pharaoh had a plan to treat the symptom if not the cause due to this information. I had to give this a second listen.
Just last week, I was heaping praise on this channel... now I'm just utterly shocked that you could post something so misleading and misinforming. After my initial joy at thinking this document was real, certain parts of it started to echo in my head with the sound of untruth... I dug into it, and realized this is historical fiction PRESENTED AS AN AUTHENTIC HISTORICAL DOCUMENT. That is close to a crime, in my book. Thanks @Alberto Fernandez for being one of the few others to push back on this. There's nothing wrong with historical fiction, but it must be presented as such. How many went away from this unquestioningly, and now possess a gross error in their "knowledge" of ancient documents?
Herodotus wasn't known for being free of bias or sheer invention, same for Ramses III, and the Tudors ... Best to factor-in a bit of spin, if not sheer propaganda from such material.
No it is not. It is not a story of Wenamum from c. 1000 BCE. It was written by modern egyptologist web.archive.org/web/20040812090732/www.courses.psu.edu/cams/cams400w_aek11/wenem.html
Among other things I'm reminded of is the collapse/dismemberment of Yugoslavia, and the sudden arising of rival racist militias in a hitherto successful economy and well balanced multinational federal republic, and Chris Hedges' commentary about that process in _War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning._ Essentially, the fighting was begun, after several years of increasingly shrill nationalistic propaganda in the regional media of the federated republics, by criminals from various communities, who began home invasions, kidnappings and then murders of neighbours of other official nationalities, and this rapidly forced people to take sides, as nationalist politicians and police chiefs protected the criminals of their own nationality and sought the death of those of other nationalities. So, overnight, you had previous civilians, police and business people joining militias, led by those original criminals, and turning isolated acts of violence and banditry into racist war. The process was similar to what happened in Rwanda, in that it took years of increasing nationalist bullshit in the media to legitimise violence against different nationalities and generate a climate of mutual distrust and fear. The similarity here is of civilians turning to piracy and war fairly quickly, under the impact of a general trade recession and climate change, in the form of a protracted drought in one region. But all's well; no fear of any such thing now!
1. Yugoslavia was an economic basket case by the 1980s. 2. The communist government tried to suppress national/ethnic identity by various means (such as banning national songs). This only caused an increase in nationalistic radicalism. 3. Yugoslavia should have never existed, it was western powers project. Multicultural, multi ethnic, multi religious, without a dominant majority states always failed, always will fail.
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I tough the story of wenamun told only about the voyage of this priest to dor and byblos and alashya trying to got the cedar wood for his sacred ship. Didn't knew of this part about the sea peoples, (yes the tjekker did appear like pirates in dor and biblos but I didn't knew about the prisoner he interrogated). And that was about the last years of ramses Xi.
you did a great job reading this and I really felt my own interest wane from beder's own story, which I believed as factual, compared to the story he tells about the legend he heard from a sailor buddy, which just sounds like any other less-edifying myth
I am a big fan of ancient Egyptian history and literature, yet I had never heard of this story. Thanks so much for producing this video. The tale is fascinating and the earliest example I know of the story within a story and the dual narrator framing technique. Bravo, Nick Barksdale!
"It is a fine story indeed and it has pleased me very much." ... I just want to point out, it seems to me plausible that "Peleset" could be a transliteration of the Greek "Pelasgian" that became a generic term for many early Greek (not Mycenaean) communities. It seems to fit, where Badr in the first part speaks of conflict with the Denyan/Danaan and proceeds along the hypothetical route of sea peoples invasions, from Hattusa to Ugarit and finally to Egypt. I couldn't track down the spelling, but it sounds like his goddess was named Petagaia(?) which reminds me of the classical Earth Mother... but all in all, the text is fascinating in describing the political and economic decline of that period, as well as the emotional turmoil of common people struggling to survive. The second tale is equally illuminating with insights into the religion of Ugarit and Canaan ("she who can track the stars across the sky). Great stuff. Thanks again for this magnificent presentation!
Most likely the goddess Pythogaia, aka Pythian Gaia. Prior to the 8th Century BC, Delphi was dedicated to Gaia, after which priests from Delos took over and worshipped their god, Apollo. Pythogaia is often identified with the goddess Ptygh from the later Philistine city of Ekron. The Philistines were most likely descendants of settled Mycenaean Greeks (or at least from the area which we know of as Greece, so your Pelasgian theory could hold) of the Sea Peoples, so this makes sense.
@@MatthewBurns8 oh cool. I had read the Homeric hymn of Apollo that tells of the priests from Delos travelling to Delphi as you say, but I was unfamiliar with Pythogaia. Considering that particular Hymn is known to us from much later sources (ca. 522BCE) it seems to still fit the hypothesis :)
Peleset must indeed be Pelasgoi (and later would become Philistines in the Bible), Tjeker are surely Teucrians, an alternative name for Trojans (Teucer was the mythical founder of Troy). The Pelasgoi surely controlled at least Thessaly and parts of Crete in the time of the "Sea Peoples". I have come to understand only very recently (months ago) that the Greek (Mycenaean) invasion (at the beginning of the Bronze Age) surely happened by sea from Montenegro (coastal area of Vucedol culture) and affected southern mainland Greece essentially, not the North. Later their proto-Macedonian (Bryges > Phrygians > Armenians) cousins (probably also originated in Vucedol culture but arriving via land) would also invade the nothernmost areas of Greece and the remaining Pelasgoi would be fully Indoeuropeanized in the Dark Age (early Iron Age). The Aegean region of the Bronze Age was still a complex puzzle of nations, many of them pre-Indoeuroepan, IMO of the ethno-linguistic family of Etruscans (hence I use the label Pelasgo-Tyrsenian). The proto-Etruscans themselves may be referenced by Greeks as Tauresoi (living in NW Anatolia) and as Teresh by the Egyptian sources on the Sea Peoples, both are similar to Tyrsenoi (Greek name of Etruscans, originally pronounced as Toursenoi) and, if we removed the "ty-" part (probably the article "the" in Etruscan) to Etruscan endonym Rassena, Rasna or Rasnal, at least the consonantic (t)rs(n) pattern is repeated and we know that an Etruscan-like language was spoken in Lemnos in historical times and that some ancient historians believed they originated in "Lydia" (i.e. Asia Minor). Etruscan-like linguistic legacy in Greek is very apparent, especially in some mythology: Aita = Hades, Karunes = Charon (maybe also mutated into Kronos), Tinia (the Etruscan sky god) reminds of titans, but a better source is probably another ancient Anatolian variant name for the same god: Titos, etc. IMO, the Etruscans (Teresh) and Siculi/Sicels (Sekelesh) arrived to Italy after the Bronze Age collapse, maybe invited by the Sardinians (Sherden) and the Ausonians (Weshesh?, who are also archaeologically documented to have been raiding Greece as pirates), in the context of the Indoeuropean invasion of Italy (proto-Villanovan culture, a branch of Urnfields culture, surely Celto-Italic at a time when Celtic and Italic where still not fully diverged). I say the Shekelesh were invited because I'm quite certain they were a Semitic group (circumcised in Egyptian accounts, the name seems related to shekel, i.e. "money", probably meaning mercenaries, traders or pirates, maybe precursors of Phoenicians?) but also because Sicilians are in terms genetic extremely slanted towards Syria-Lebanon, very anomalously so for a European people, what requires an explanation and my best explanation is the Shekelesh migration I conjecture.
@@albertofernandez2490 - I am still realizing it, I actually asked about it in the main thread because it conflicted with other Wenamun's Story versions I found all around. But that is not important for the debate on the Sea Peoples. Nothing of what I said or what McGregor said is about the narration but about the Sea Peoples in general.
@@NolaanOne the authenticity of papyrus of Report of Wenamun is not disputed. The point is that this story delightfully read to us has nothing to do with the real Report of WEnamun. It is a story written by contemporary egyptologist Megaera Lorentz. i am also confused, why he wanted to achieve by such misinformation.
Hello, you need to mention that this is not the Wenamun story found in 1898. This is a fictional account written by contemporary egyptologist Megaera Lorentz
No it is not. It is not a story of Wenamum from c. 1000 BCE. It was written by modern egyptologist web.archive.org/web/20040812090732/www.courses.psu.edu/cams/cams400w_aek11/wenem.html
I must agree that the presentation of this video is simply disingenuous. It’s fun as pure modern historical fiction. The real “report of Wenamun” exists but is quite short and simply a story of a guy getting wood in the Levant for the barque of Amun. Please correct the description and simply say what this video is about.
i love the propaganda sprinkled throughout . "Egypt never lacks anything " "in Egypt even prisoners prisoners of war are treated well" gezz. i wonder who wrote that. if i didn't knew Egypt had slaves, i would've believed it.
Meaning no offense ... Is this real? You're not just pulling my leg? I mean if there is a chance it is contemporanious to the Sea People and the Late Bronze Age Collapse?
no, it is not the original Report of Wenamun. It is written by modern scholar Megaera Lorentz. See the discussion above when i explain how misleading the description of the video is.
Yes it seem. The report of wenamun tell about a travel about 100 years later the bronze age collapse of a priest in dor, biblos and alashya. I had never heard this story of the video.
the old sailors tale is the story of the planet venus and its crossing earths orbit for 750 until mars circularized her orbit to what it is now,,,,, think medusa was the goddess/planet venus turned ANGRY !!!!
as I mentioned above and below, it is not the real Report of Wenamun. It is a story written by modern egyptologist Megaera Lorentz.I am still confused why he tried to mislead us.
@@albertofernandez2490 I I agree with you the tales even borrow details from Cartaginian tales.... The full story is charming but sound totally made-up with current knowledge.
the sea peoples were the remnants of the earlier atlantians world wide culture they probably were the colonies and the survivors that over time built them selves back up to a point where they thought they could retake Egypt where Their ancestors developed it in the first place and the Nubians took it over shortly after Zep Tepi(the first time) tall red headed peoples and people with blond hair and blue/green eyes built Egypt,,,, as witnessed by the earliest mummies in not only Egypt but in India and china,,, the ancient past is stranger than the main stream is willing to admit to,,,,, u see then u can throw the main part of Darwin's work in the garbage,,,,, but natural selection can stay
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why do you make it look like it is a real Wenamun Report? It is a peace of modern fiction wrote by modern Egyptologist and is not even remotely connected with the true Wenamun story.
I'm a bit perplex because Wikipedia's account of the Story of Wenamun (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Story_of_Wenamun ) is very different, even if also treated as presumed fiction: Bader is lord of Dor (Tjeker city in Retenu), not a lesser pirate, who rejects giving off goods for free to Wenamun, who must ask for silver to the Pharaoh to pay, then he's blown off course to Cyprus where the story is cut off. Much less interesting than this version of course but which is the correct one.
I suspect this is a beautiful but modern reinvention of Wenamun's story, full of details such as the baked clay tablets of Ugarit that can only be known to modern people and would not be noticed by a raider most probably or the intromission of the "furry women", clearly based on Hanno's voyage ("gorillas", probably chimpanzees in fact) that happened much later in time and that is hard to believe could have been experienced or even imagined by a Bronze Age Mediterranean sailor. Also the story does not break off as you announce at the beginning: it is a full story.
"Si no e vero e ben trovatto", that much I concede but I would like to know if this is the real Story of Wenamun (seems to me it is not) or the real story is the very different one I read about at Wikipedia, more prosaic short-ish and clearly unfinished (and with no clear mention of the Sea Peoples).
PS - Made a search and all the versions I find are consistent with Wikipedia and NOT with this version.
Example 1: an English version of the story: www.ancient.eu/article/1087/the-report-of-wenamun-text--commentary/
Example 2: a cartoon version of the story (rather fun): www.thecommononline.org/the-misadventures-of-wenamun/
Alberto .Fernandez feel free to reference the video description above that has a link to the OS.
I don't care who the actual author, or originator of this story is. The fact is that even though it uses patently literary devices, it asks a very specific question. A question that would be befitting of an individual in command of an Army as it provides crucial Intelligence, as well as ensures rich rewards. To wit: What is the motivating factor. Not only that it tells us that if not prior to the defeat then at least very soon thereafter the Pharaoh had a plan to treat the symptom if not the cause due to this information. I had to give this a second listen.
@@jameswells554 so you do not care if something is a pyramid of Giza or a pyramid of Las Vegas?
Just last week, I was heaping praise on this channel... now I'm just utterly shocked that you could post something so misleading and misinforming. After my initial joy at thinking this document was real, certain parts of it started to echo in my head with the sound of untruth... I dug into it, and realized this is historical fiction PRESENTED AS AN AUTHENTIC HISTORICAL DOCUMENT. That is close to a crime, in my book. Thanks @Alberto Fernandez for being one of the few others to push back on this. There's nothing wrong with historical fiction, but it must be presented as such. How many went away from this unquestioningly, and now possess a gross error in their "knowledge" of ancient documents?
Herodotus wasn't known for being free of bias or sheer invention, same for Ramses III, and the Tudors ...
Best to factor-in a bit of spin, if not sheer propaganda from such material.
@@kaarlimakela3413 WTF are you talking about? This is a 20th century story, written by egyptologist Megaera Lorentz.
Wow! Thank you for this ripping yarn straight out of the Bronze Age Collapse! I was entranced from beginning to end!
No it is not. It is not a story of Wenamum from c. 1000 BCE. It was written by modern egyptologist web.archive.org/web/20040812090732/www.courses.psu.edu/cams/cams400w_aek11/wenem.html
Among other things I'm reminded of is the collapse/dismemberment of Yugoslavia, and the sudden arising of rival racist militias in a hitherto successful economy and well balanced multinational federal republic, and Chris Hedges' commentary about that process in _War Is A Force That Gives Us Meaning._ Essentially, the fighting was begun, after several years of increasingly shrill nationalistic propaganda in the regional media of the federated republics, by criminals from various communities, who began home invasions, kidnappings and then murders of neighbours of other official nationalities, and this rapidly forced people to take sides, as nationalist politicians and police chiefs protected the criminals of their own nationality and sought the death of those of other nationalities. So, overnight, you had previous civilians, police and business people joining militias, led by those original criminals, and turning isolated acts of violence and banditry into racist war. The process was similar to what happened in Rwanda, in that it took years of increasing nationalist bullshit in the media to legitimise violence against different nationalities and generate a climate of mutual distrust and fear. The similarity here is of civilians turning to piracy and war fairly quickly, under the impact of a general trade recession and climate change, in the form of a protracted drought in one region. But all's well; no fear of any such thing now!
1. Yugoslavia was an economic basket case by the 1980s.
2. The communist government tried to suppress national/ethnic identity by various means (such as banning national songs). This only caused an increase in nationalistic radicalism.
3. Yugoslavia should have never existed, it was western powers project.
Multicultural, multi ethnic, multi religious, without a dominant majority states always failed, always will fail.
thank you so much, this was truly interesting, and good job narrating!
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Can someone explain how the account of this document in Wikipedia tells of a completely different story?
Not only on wiki, also elsewhere. But maybe that's another part, who know.
Yes, I also am scratching my head. This is not the story I have heard. It seems nowhere near it.
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I tough the story of wenamun told only about the voyage of this priest to dor and byblos and alashya trying to got the cedar wood for his sacred ship. Didn't knew of this part about the sea peoples, (yes the tjekker did appear like pirates in dor and biblos but I didn't knew about the prisoner he interrogated). And that was about the last years of ramses Xi.
Yep because what is presented here isn't the real "report" it seems fictional from nowday.
Simply amazing!
you did a great job reading this
and I really felt my own interest wane from beder's own story, which I believed as factual, compared to the story he tells about the legend he heard from a sailor buddy, which just sounds like any other less-edifying myth
I am a big fan of ancient Egyptian history and literature, yet I had never heard of this story. Thanks so much for producing this video. The tale is fascinating and the earliest example I know of the story within a story and the dual narrator framing technique. Bravo, Nick Barksdale!
Glad you enjoyed it! It was the same for me as well and so we knew that we had to share! Our EP tomorrow will be "Piracy and the Bronze Age Collapse!"
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That was really fascinating.
Rest in Paradise, Nick. I hope you have all the answers, now.
The description should tell more clearly that what is read is a current fictional tale and not the possibly fictional scroll of 1000 BCE.
Wait what?
I can't find a version of the tale that includes this story. Do you have a link to a version of it?
"It is a fine story indeed and it has pleased me very much." ... I just want to point out, it seems to me plausible that "Peleset" could be a transliteration of the Greek "Pelasgian" that became a generic term for many early Greek (not Mycenaean) communities. It seems to fit, where Badr in the first part speaks of conflict with the Denyan/Danaan and proceeds along the hypothetical route of sea peoples invasions, from Hattusa to Ugarit and finally to Egypt. I couldn't track down the spelling, but it sounds like his goddess was named Petagaia(?) which reminds me of the classical Earth Mother... but all in all, the text is fascinating in describing the political and economic decline of that period, as well as the emotional turmoil of common people struggling to survive. The second tale is equally illuminating with insights into the religion of Ugarit and Canaan ("she who can track the stars across the sky). Great stuff. Thanks again for this magnificent presentation!
Most likely the goddess Pythogaia, aka Pythian Gaia. Prior to the 8th Century BC, Delphi was dedicated to Gaia, after which priests from Delos took over and worshipped their god, Apollo. Pythogaia is often identified with the goddess Ptygh from the later Philistine city of Ekron. The Philistines were most likely descendants of settled Mycenaean Greeks (or at least from the area which we know of as Greece, so your Pelasgian theory could hold) of the Sea Peoples, so this makes sense.
@@MatthewBurns8 oh cool. I had read the Homeric hymn of Apollo that tells of the priests from Delos travelling to Delphi as you say, but I was unfamiliar with Pythogaia. Considering that particular Hymn is known to us from much later sources (ca. 522BCE) it seems to still fit the hypothesis :)
Peleset must indeed be Pelasgoi (and later would become Philistines in the Bible), Tjeker are surely Teucrians, an alternative name for Trojans (Teucer was the mythical founder of Troy). The Pelasgoi surely controlled at least Thessaly and parts of Crete in the time of the "Sea Peoples".
I have come to understand only very recently (months ago) that the Greek (Mycenaean) invasion (at the beginning of the Bronze Age) surely happened by sea from Montenegro (coastal area of Vucedol culture) and affected southern mainland Greece essentially, not the North. Later their proto-Macedonian (Bryges > Phrygians > Armenians) cousins (probably also originated in Vucedol culture but arriving via land) would also invade the nothernmost areas of Greece and the remaining Pelasgoi would be fully Indoeuropeanized in the Dark Age (early Iron Age).
The Aegean region of the Bronze Age was still a complex puzzle of nations, many of them pre-Indoeuroepan, IMO of the ethno-linguistic family of Etruscans (hence I use the label Pelasgo-Tyrsenian). The proto-Etruscans themselves may be referenced by Greeks as Tauresoi (living in NW Anatolia) and as Teresh by the Egyptian sources on the Sea Peoples, both are similar to Tyrsenoi (Greek name of Etruscans, originally pronounced as Toursenoi) and, if we removed the "ty-" part (probably the article "the" in Etruscan) to Etruscan endonym Rassena, Rasna or Rasnal, at least the consonantic (t)rs(n) pattern is repeated and we know that an Etruscan-like language was spoken in Lemnos in historical times and that some ancient historians believed they originated in "Lydia" (i.e. Asia Minor). Etruscan-like linguistic legacy in Greek is very apparent, especially in some mythology: Aita = Hades, Karunes = Charon (maybe also mutated into Kronos), Tinia (the Etruscan sky god) reminds of titans, but a better source is probably another ancient Anatolian variant name for the same god: Titos, etc.
IMO, the Etruscans (Teresh) and Siculi/Sicels (Sekelesh) arrived to Italy after the Bronze Age collapse, maybe invited by the Sardinians (Sherden) and the Ausonians (Weshesh?, who are also archaeologically documented to have been raiding Greece as pirates), in the context of the Indoeuropean invasion of Italy (proto-Villanovan culture, a branch of Urnfields culture, surely Celto-Italic at a time when Celtic and Italic where still not fully diverged). I say the Shekelesh were invited because I'm quite certain they were a Semitic group (circumcised in Egyptian accounts, the name seems related to shekel, i.e. "money", probably meaning mercenaries, traders or pirates, maybe precursors of Phoenicians?) but also because Sicilians are in terms genetic extremely slanted towards Syria-Lebanon, very anomalously so for a European people, what requires an explanation and my best explanation is the Shekelesh migration I conjecture.
@@LuisAldamiz but you do realize that this is made up story, written by a modern scholar Megaera Lorentz, not the real Report of Wenamun?
@@albertofernandez2490 - I am still realizing it, I actually asked about it in the main thread because it conflicted with other Wenamun's Story versions I found all around. But that is not important for the debate on the Sea Peoples. Nothing of what I said or what McGregor said is about the narration but about the Sea Peoples in general.
"Mark my words pretty baby*...great story, thx for sharing.
An outstanding presentation of an outstanding story.
Wow,.. that was spectacular in giving multiple views of events by a single storyteller. Greatly enjoyed the narrative as well. Thank you very much.
Good narration. Thank you.
The bit about Ugarit, mentioning that pleas for help were still baking... chilling, but reminds me that those tables HAVE been found.
This really gets my imagination going. Thanks so much!
I enjoyed that narration!
Excellent job
Amazing presentation. People are people everywhere and all through time
Seems like a very odd literary form for an ancient work.. Particularly the reference to the message in Ugarit 'still baking' makes it sound modern
The guy is reporting on document considered forgery by experts and still decided to move on with a video. What's the use? Disinformation?
@@NolaanOne the authenticity of papyrus of Report of Wenamun is not disputed. The point is that this story delightfully read to us has nothing to do with the real Report of WEnamun. It is a story written by contemporary egyptologist Megaera Lorentz. i am also confused, why he wanted to achieve by such misinformation.
@@albertofernandez2490 Thank you for writing this clarification.
Admirable!! Particularly when you already know the gist of the history. Would be nice to know what Eric Cline thinks of this.
This perfectly explains the bronze age collapse.
Could be a mashup of different account written to please the Pharaoh
Hello, you need to mention that this is not the Wenamun story found in 1898. This is a fictional account written by contemporary egyptologist Megaera Lorentz
Amazing indeed!
Wow!
These kind of death and rebirth stories all seem to share very familiar patterns..
That's a helluva good analytical piece set in story format.
Man imagine if ancient people had had the means time and interest to write down details like this
Excellent - one of your better videos. So the truth of Sea peoples is revealed. Drought and economic collapse.
No it is not. It is not a story of Wenamum from c. 1000 BCE. It was written by modern egyptologist web.archive.org/web/20040812090732/www.courses.psu.edu/cams/cams400w_aek11/wenem.html
I must agree that the presentation of this video is simply disingenuous. It’s fun as pure modern historical fiction. The real “report of Wenamun” exists but is quite short and simply a story of a guy getting wood in the Levant for the barque of Amun. Please correct the description and simply say what this video is about.
Seems like hez in the midst of the bronze age collapse
Wtfffffff. This is so juicy.
Great video
How they know its fake
Imaginary story
i love the propaganda sprinkled throughout . "Egypt never lacks anything " "in Egypt even prisoners prisoners of war are treated well" gezz. i wonder who wrote that. if i didn't knew Egypt had slaves, i would've believed it.
They weren't really slaves, they were more like indengered servants of the Pharaoh
Meaning no offense ... Is this real? You're not just pulling my leg? I mean if there is a chance it is contemporanious to the Sea People and the Late Bronze Age Collapse?
no, it is not the original Report of Wenamun. It is written by modern scholar Megaera Lorentz. See the discussion above when i explain how misleading the description of the video is.
Yes it seem. The report of wenamun tell about a travel about 100 years later the bronze age collapse of a priest in dor, biblos and alashya. I had never heard this story of the video.
In the way Homer is with his tales, I think.
the old sailors tale is the story of the planet venus and its crossing earths orbit for 750 until mars circularized her orbit to what it is now,,,,, think medusa was the goddess/planet venus turned ANGRY !!!!
Talk about a smoking gun......... bronze age collapse solved.
Indeed. This somehow makes it difficult for me to believe that this is real. But great story anyway.
as I mentioned above and below, it is not the real Report of Wenamun. It is a story written by modern egyptologist Megaera Lorentz.I am still confused why he tried to mislead us.
@@albertofernandez2490 I I agree with you the tales even borrow details from Cartaginian tales.... The full story is charming but sound totally made-up with current knowledge.
Nice lies manlet. Tribe of Dan I presume?
the sea peoples were the remnants of the earlier atlantians world wide culture they probably were the colonies and the survivors that over time built them selves back up to a point where they thought they could retake Egypt where Their ancestors developed it in the first place and the Nubians took it over shortly after Zep Tepi(the first time) tall red headed peoples and people with blond hair and blue/green eyes built Egypt,,,, as witnessed by the earliest mummies in not only Egypt but in India and china,,, the ancient past is stranger than the main stream is willing to admit to,,,,, u see then u can throw the main part of Darwin's work in the garbage,,,,, but natural selection can stay
Don't be so stupid.