It's funny, because I was just thinking to myself ," I bet Totally Not Mark draws his thumbnails." Then I scroll down a couple comments, and *BAM* there's the answer
I feel if Gohan met Zamasu instead, he wouldn't be so angry Gohan is more kind and considerate and would treat Zamasu with respect and even change his view of thinking.
@@_Seru_ yeah that's the problem with Goku in super. He always wants to fight somebody. His family and friends show way more respect than he ever does.
@@_Seru_ can there plz be a different timeline where that happens ? It would be so fricking cool is Zamasu began to train like Goku and become a rogue Kai that slays evil corrupt mortals throughout the 7th universe ! He calls it purging while Gohan and Piccolo see it as "true justice" since they don't have the speed and power of the Kais 😎
Except that goku didn’t do it on purpose you numbskulls. And zamasu would’ve turned into an evil douche anyway. Even before goku he still had the mindset that humans, or mortals, were below gods and Kais. Meeting gohan wouldn’t change a damn thing, except probably piss him off even more that elder kai unlocked gohan, a “mortal’s” potential if he found out.
Gowasu's biggest downfall was failing to realize that every worry and every concern that Zamasu had, was tearing him apart and causing him to go so far he wasn't able to be brought back. Honestly, he was only looking for answers, and Gowasu always brushed them off and didn't REALLY give Zamasu that closure. But that's just my opinion.
True. Patience was his biggest downfall. Patience in zamasu and Patience in the mortals he showed zamasu. Because it made him blind to the changes that were slowly happening
It's really interesting to consider how Gowasu's failures as a mentor factors in to that negative change. Not only would Zamasu have stayed on the right path had he been guided properly, but the failure itself is proof of Zamasu's beliefs.
Gowasu tried to mentor him. Zamasu was chosen as his apprentice because of his pure heart Gowasu attempted to guide Zamasu down the path of good but a number of incidents caused him to become a monster.
@@captainmega6310 I mean, wasn't his fault those Barbarian race people started murdering each other. That's really what made Zamasu adamant on wanting to eradicate mortals.
Gowasu failing to show different mortals and the various paths they could take was something that really irked me about him. The guy only shows one example of mortals with the time ring when he should have shown multiple ones instead. He was a terrible mentor that honestly should have been reprimanded by Beerus and Whis for stupidly leading his own student down the path he took without even notcing it.
Such a tragic backstory, he believed he had the potential to finish an adult sized krabby patty, but Mermaid Man knew that this was a task and a patty far too big for his young ward. All he wanted to do was help him, but alas Barnacle Man wouldn't listen. And in the end, Mermaid Man was right. Needless evil.
The positive change arc is usually used to make the audience feel better about themselves and hopeful, the belief that we can become better and we aren’t defined by the past While the negative change arc is used in more negative ways, making the audience aware of the heart of darkness inside us all. The fact we can be broken and we can lose our morals and be corrupted.
Before the Goku Black Arc. most of the fandom always compare villains WITHIN the series. For Zamasu, however, was compared to villains OUTSIDE of the series. It just tells how unique he is compared to the past villains who were evil just because.
Zamasu isn't exactly unique in terms of other villains outside of Dragon Ball. he's pretty much a mix of Akainu/Sakazuki and Doflamingo from One Piece but shallow in comparison.
Whilst I appreciate Zamasu, I feel like he would be far more popular if he received more episodes to make his change from neutral to evil seem more believable. Vegeta undergoes a similair change arc, only its from evil to good. However, Vegeta’s arc works way better due to how long it takes to happen and complete, with the character moments feeling like slight escelations from the last, rather than fast paced plot points to get us up to speed with a character, who is then quickly changed because conflict has to happen soon. I wish Zamasu was introduced at the start of dragonball super, so that his fustration would boil over time, building interest and suspense.
Idk why y’all expect good writing out if this franchise, it’s not known for that, and Vegeta does not have a character arc. We never see vegeta grow attached to characters like Bulma or trunks, he just does become good. It’s not good writing, this franchise has always sucked.
Please tell me you're joking. vegeta non existent character somehow didn't end when he came to terms that maybe he isn'tthe strongest, when he sacrificed himself against a giant piece of bubble gum, or that his true motivation to getting stronger was definitely not to protect bulma and trunks, which you claim to have no effect on vegetas character arc, or that he didn't have one at all that he just became good the moment he landed on namek @kevinnigins9488
I take the concept of good characters turning evil very seriously due to my own personal experiences... *_HE WAS THE CHOSEN ONE! IT WAS SAID HE WOULD DESTROY THE SITH NOT JOIN THEM!!!_*
Yeah his speeches are wonderful☝🏾 Its just interesting to hear him and i dislike it how people say he talks too much and its mostly people who dont really understand what he is saying🤷🏾
Bradley TenshiXVII What an ignorant argument to claim people who dislike his boring repeated rhetoric are ignorant. He could have been profound, instead he kept repeating the same line over and over again with stupid motivation - God supremacy complex, “I saw a rockman beat another with a club, therefore all mortals are evil” & “Goku beat me, wa wa”
@@papaofthejohns5882 You see? And yet here again some amateur appears and didnt understand zamasu🤷🏾 „The same line over and over again” which lines lmfao🤦🏾 The most of his speeches were about the balance of the universe and sins the mortals has done and yet he always said that in an complete other way. Of course he also had some self praising speeches, that were very interesting to hear since his words were actually true... Your last sentence actually just proves that you are ignorant and didnt watched the goku black saga or understood zamasu properly👏
@@shavaunrandall6924 I'm assuming he explains it in every video for newcomers. Not everyone that is going to see this video is a subscriber and it is also likely they haven't seen his other videos either if that's the case.
@@DarkSlayerZero2000SaiyanZero yeah, but at the same time, he could've just said: "as I've explained in another video" and left it at that. I'll bet he just does it to pad for time.
Zamasu started off as a God who viewed Mortals as lower beings that were a danger to themselves and hoped his hand could guide them to be better if Gowasu allowed him. After his fight and investigation into Goku (Watching the video of the fight where Goku had some bits of dialouge referring to 'not being the God's pawns' to Hit), he became a God who viewed Mortals as lower beings that were a danger to everything around them and took it as his duty to protect the world by any means necessary. By the end of the arc, he stood alone and his justice was rejected by the world, by the Gods and by the Mortals that now stood on even ground with him. And he couldn't handle the idea that he had gone to such extremes only to be wrong and let his entire mind deteriorate.
@@MattTheHuman9 Well, making version comparasion is pointless, GT one maybe was sad but at the same time almost written character out of entire story and Super was even worse. It was one of the worst fanservice moments in all of Super, Toei completly missed the fucking point of original scene from DBZ and simply rebooted it to give "a nice touch".
It’s fun to clown Mark for his shameless plugs of these books, but I’ve legit learned A LOT about writing and storytelling from this guy. I realize now that Vegeta is practically universally loved as a character because he goes through what very much appears to be a negative change arc up until he meets his son, and then becomes a positive change once he is given something more important than himself to really care about: a family. He goes to pretty extreme lengths to reject this after realizing that it also gives him a weakness, but ultimately decides it matters more to him that he has a wife and son he loves, and even cares about the man who keeps one-upping him. Even now, there’s no real limit to how much Vegeta can continue to develop as a dad, a husband, and a dude who can just lighten up and have fun in general. If I showed a person who hasn’t seen Dragonball 1 minute of Scouter Vegeta, then 1 minute of Vegeta trying to convince Whis to train him, their head would explode.
@@TotallyNotMark lol I’m two years late to this cuz I forgot I even made this comment, but uh, probably not. I think Zamasu was strongest at the beginning of the future trunks arc. As the story went on though, both it and he just kinda got weaker.
Gowasu’s response really reminds me of yoda’s “”therapy”” to anakin in revenge of the sith. A mentor gives a non-solution to a mental issue, ultimately ending in radicalization and destruction. Update: I gave a hell of a lot of thought to the yoda therapy scene, and I realized I was dead wrong. Yoda was entirely right. He gave anakin the truth. What else could he have said? Lied to him and told him he could stop death like palpatine did?
Bartek Kubica yoda failed multiple times in the prequels. Hell, he even failed once in the original trilogy. Revenge of the sith was really a turning point for him. He learned from that failure and became a much better Jedi, in isolation. away from a dogmatic order.
@@Thisdude850 zamasu just had a god complex (which isn't new been done many times and better) and whined about other people that's literally it they actually tried something with babys backstory
I'm pretty sad that we couldn't seen a slower transition to him becoming evil .They could have made him the protagonist for a few episodes, maybe even make him likeable, and then really built him up. he could've been an even greater villain, and the story would've been so much more tragic.
First Goku Black, now Zamasu. These analysis videos on the same character are so rich I feel like there could be 5 more and there'd *still* be something new and interesting to point out. Great video as always Mark!!
I still think it would have been better had the "Present" Zamasu actually seen the light and become a good guy, keep the evil Zamasu who took gokus body in an alternate future and the other alternate Zamasu he teamed up with, be keep the present one around so that he can see what his "utopia" would mean doing, let him see all the suffering he'd cause and just how far gone his other counterparts are, have him be the one to offer his potara to Goku and Vegeta. And heck, bring him to Universe seven so he can see a better example of mortals, earth may not be perfect but it certainly would have been a better example then that barbarian planet.
That wouldn’t of worked since he’s probably join in he has the same beliefs as them this is right before he kills his mentor though maybe fused zamasu and the sword of hope works like stardust breaker and purifies him
Nah because it was always Xanadu’s soul in control. Black was just a vessel of power and a means to an end. There was absolutely nothing that could change his mind cuz he saw too much evil in mortals already
Hold my tea mortal. As I need to attest the validity that anyone other than my almighty, all powerful, immortal self could potentially hold the title of the best major antagonist of this series.
I'm pretty sure you don't need lessons you just need the test so you're mother or father could just teach you in like a week then take the test might be wrong or only were I live your laws may be different
seriously Zamasu is one of my favorite characters and my favorite Super character but seriously if Gowasu just gave him more guidance i believe he would've turned out better and i wish he did i would've loved Zamasu as a good guy even though he would probably fade into the background of the other universes
Just to let you know just how "Evil" frieza is, he was in "earth's hell" which implies the biblical hell which is described as all your worst fears, pain, sorrow, ect, the worst of the worst of everything. even mental/emotional depression - All- 24/7.. not 1 shred of anything remotely good coming your way, no such thing as the feeling of relief.. it's absent from your mind as if it never was a thing.. Frieza's Hell is literally what we as humans see as Pure Joy and Happiness... let that sink in..
I really enjoyed this saga, considering that I always love time travel, alternate realities and what-if kind of things. Of course, it could have been done better, but it had a strong start and the middle, in my opinion.
I really love this character series you've been doing so far(Black and (this)Zamasu's videos have been my favorites so far) I hope you keep doing more of these as they do give me insight on character writing😁
@@blitto9829 , he's right tho, I mean at least zamazus plan on erradicating all mortals made some level of sense,Thanos plan certainly didn't and I felt like they Tried to sell us a genocider as a simpathetic villain. what's worse it aparently worked for most of the audience .
Adrián Alonso Thanos’ plan never meant to make sense, you’re not supposed to agree with it. He is a genocidal maniac with a god complex. The reason he works is because: 1) His character is properly developed. He’s a madman who thinks his flawed outlook on the world is correct, and the movie explores that. 2) He reacts to stuff like a real person should. He shows actual emotion in his some of his scenes - he was surprised when Loki told him he had no problem with him torturing Thor, he was sad when he was forced to kill Gamora, he was happy when he finally completed his plan, etc.
@@jeremiahvaleska8464 , 1)except that he is never refered as insane in the movie (which is very dumb considering his title is "the mad titan") and focused WAY too much into making him relatable, also, while he may have been off to a good start in IW (a dumb as hell villain but a good one) the very much dropped the ball in endgame were they Turned him into a generic destroy-everything villain, I guess it was suposed to be a Reveal of his true nature but it was handled quite poorly 2) oh no she killed the daughter that he had previously to infinity war shown no kind of affection, granted the scene was marvelous (as was the rest of the film really) but like thanoses ideology it felt ass-pulled, overpopulation, really? They couldn't think of a better excuse to have him Wipe out half of all life in the universe in a "justified" Way? Come on
@@turonparker4552 there's referencing your quotes, and then there's spamming months on months of CZcams revenue based on a lazy application of someone else's in depth novel on fictional narrative they clearly worked hard on. All Mark did was read one book and go "wow this book on story telling could be applied to dragon Ball!" Yeah no fucking shit. You think Toriyama was bullshitting the whole story and only *now* are we are able to unveil the depth of his storytelling via this redcoat's appropriation of a book he read once? Get over yourself, and recognize Mark for the shill he has become. Mark could just have the book reference in the comments without 20% of the video being "according to someone else in this book, they have their conclusions. Cool huh?" Read books about narritave and explore dragon balls narrative with those concepts. Making a video saying "hey this character is bad, and why they are bad is this book which explains a "bad character. Based on the books "bad character" this is a bad character. End of video. Stop phoning it in Mark. Get off your ass and make a compelling and creative video that isn't riding on the coattails of an already established assessment of storytelling. Jesus any DragonBall fan who read the book Mark had could come to the same conclusion, if not ones more in-depth and substantial instead of "author said, Goku here."
What I like about zamasu is that he didn't hate all mortals, he just wanted to help the universe like plucking weeds in a garden, but gowasu didn't help him to ease his concerns so he wants to kill all mortals, believing his own lie.
Your videos are always well-crafted, intelligent, thorough and well-written. Hell, I still rewatch a lot of your old video essays and they helped me get into Dragon Ball, which I hadn’t watched in years before the Goku analysis video came out. You’re very good at this, keep it up!
I did not expect that when I was procrastinating writing my story with DBZ fight compilations that I would find DBZ videos that are directly and immediately helpful to said story. Your videos are great! Keep up the good work!
I think that you were missing a bit about the dynamic between trunks and zamasu. Trunks being the struggler that is the farthest thing from a god in the story at that point in time. The lie that zamasu believed was simply that he didn’t believe in anything but himself which is what trunks as a character opposes. He’s been forced to be alone and realizes that it’s the furthest thing from what is ideal. That’s why he is always reaching out for help even though he is emotionally distraught as shown from him attacking goku at the beginning.
Honestly I'm not big on most reviews of shows, but your channel is so amazing, you go in depth enough to be interested, but not enough to lose your train of thought, and out of all your videos this is my favorite, you put so much effort into this, and it's so evident, idk if you'll even see this, but just if you do, know you did such a good fucking job
Zamasu did start as a villain, it just had to be brought out of him. His heart was full of hate for a long time, and he kept it bottled up. Then he formulated a calculated plan and acted it out. Even Beerus and Whis could sense something dark and ominous about him before he even began Zero Mortals or became Black.
I feel like you keep glossing over the part I feel most people hated the most about the Goku Black arc: Zeno. While you do have a point, I feel the biggest thing that people hated about the Goku Black arc was that it kept escalating and escalating till suddenly in one fell swoop, everything became meaningless and we needed an infuriating deus ex machina to solve the problem. I feel that had they ended Zamasu and the arc at the point Trunks wins, we wouldn't all be so bitter.
Bro I have seen your videos popped but never took a gander at them until yesterday. Your analysis on cell & frieza were amazing and I have to say the intro for zamasu where you said "This...is zamasu" I got goosebumps man your work is amazing keep it up!
Thanks for the upload! I was hoping you eventually made q Zamasu video, because he’s my favourite super character and your analysis is quite well produced, keep up the good work!
I just realized, zamasu “final blow” in his initial fight with goku mimics the blow beerus gives goku to end their first battle when goku could only go up to ss3. It’s interesting that it shows it’s not just his power level increasing but his skill level.
Mark, you are the only person i know that can make me enjoy dragon ball even more than i do now and think about everything in a new light. I love your videos
I'm so glad you made a video on Zamasu! He is by far my favorite villain in DBS. I really hope he makes a return somehow, he was killed by b.s in the anime lol
you can say what you want but the finale of the Zamasu arc was awesome, it was very interesting to have a villain that the heroes could not actually defeat where there was a threat and the way it was handled for his defeat was also awesome
@@lightningdash231 3 things would change. 1. The corrupted evil emotions of Zamasu 2. The intervention of Beerus and Whis to be far more intense. 3. The attack would be on the present instead.
Yo... You have the most amazing Dragon Ball, Character explanations and Storytelling content on CZcams. I don't miss any of your Character dissections and so far my favorite is still Vegeta's
I mean... we didn't exactly saw Zamasu "fall from grace" he was already a twisted mofo by the time we're introduced to him so I wouldn't consider him "turning evil", we just saw him gradually get the means to go full crazy on the universe
Yeah this! He stared off with the belief that mortals were a failed creation but just did not act on these beliefs until he met Goku and in his mind saw that action needed to be taken in order to prevent mortals taking over and destroying everything. He was never really a good guy more a closeted racist/speciesist who starts off simply talking about his views before taking action to enforce his views.
Where does Zamasu rank on you list of favourite villains?
Please make one about Krillin, the strongest human character in the series. The protagonist's best friend. Or the wasted potential that is Raditz
Up and up and up and up
Number one. I cannot wait for my girlfriend to watch this arc.
I don't know, fourth? Contrary to quite a few people, I prefer characters that are evil just because they are.
Zamazu ranks around #6. But Goku Black ranks at #1. Even tho they are the same person. I just think Goku Black is a pure badass.
We draw ever closer to The Forgotten Fighter: Yamcha.
Hmm
Lol. So true. Even Tien and Krillin been used in super more than Yamcha XD
John Zhou his character was killed in Z
The living meme: Yamcha
Deathmare he beat the shit out of those baseball players
For those wondering.... I draw the thumbnails for this video series.
Well they are damn beautiful man.
Ah yes, thanks to Twitter and da gram
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That's cool
It's funny, because I was just thinking to myself ," I bet Totally Not Mark draws his thumbnails." Then I scroll down a couple comments, and *BAM* there's the answer
I feel if Gohan met Zamasu instead, he wouldn't be so angry
Gohan is more kind and considerate and would treat Zamasu with respect and even change his view of thinking.
I can see that 😃
True. Piccolo would also work. Goku was a direspectful asshole towards Zamasu when they first met and he basically wanted to beat him up for fun.
@@_Seru_ yeah that's the problem with Goku in super.
He always wants to fight somebody.
His family and friends show way more respect than he ever does.
@@_Seru_ can there plz be a different timeline where that happens ? It would be so fricking cool is Zamasu began to train like Goku and become a rogue Kai that slays evil corrupt mortals throughout the 7th universe ! He calls it purging while Gohan and Piccolo see it as "true justice" since they don't have the speed and power of the Kais 😎
Except that goku didn’t do it on purpose you numbskulls. And zamasu would’ve turned into an evil douche anyway. Even before goku he still had the mindset that humans, or mortals, were below gods and Kais. Meeting gohan wouldn’t change a damn thing, except probably piss him off even more that elder kai unlocked gohan, a “mortal’s” potential if he found out.
Gowasu's biggest downfall was failing to realize that every worry and every concern that Zamasu had, was tearing him apart and causing him to go so far he wasn't able to be brought back. Honestly, he was only looking for answers, and Gowasu always brushed them off and didn't REALLY give Zamasu that closure. But that's just my opinion.
True. Patience was his biggest downfall. Patience in zamasu and Patience in the mortals he showed zamasu.
Because it made him blind to the changes that were slowly happening
That mf was talking about genocide from the jump, he had to go from the get go ngl
Overall, zamasu was right
It's really interesting to consider how Gowasu's failures as a mentor factors in to that negative change. Not only would Zamasu have stayed on the right path had he been guided properly, but the failure itself is proof of Zamasu's beliefs.
Gowasu tried to mentor him. Zamasu was chosen as his apprentice because of his pure heart Gowasu attempted to guide Zamasu down the path of good but a number of incidents caused him to become a monster.
@@dabuff1319 yeah “tried”
@@captainmega6310 I mean, wasn't his fault those Barbarian race people started murdering each other. That's really what made Zamasu adamant on wanting to eradicate mortals.
@@Xeno574 he might as well destroy everything then
Gowasu failing to show different mortals and the various paths they could take was something that really irked me about him. The guy only shows one example of mortals with the time ring when he should have shown multiple ones instead.
He was a terrible mentor that honestly should have been reprimanded by Beerus and Whis for stupidly leading his own student down the path he took without even notcing it.
_ZAMASU:* TURNING CHARACTERS EVIL_
*Barnacle **-Boy-** Man:* _I'm about to end this man's whole career!_
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Such a tragic backstory, he believed he had the potential to finish an adult sized krabby patty, but Mermaid Man knew that this was a task and a patty far too big for his young ward. All he wanted to do was help him, but alas Barnacle Man wouldn't listen. And in the end, Mermaid Man was right. Needless evil.
@khsquare 02 I pity you for that.
I'm tired of playing second banana to a man who wears a bra!
R.i.p his VA tho
Dragon Ball character : **exist**
TNMark : IN K.M. WEILAND BOOK CALLED "CREATING CHARACTER ARCS"-
OH BOY HERE WE GO WITH THE NERD SHIT
Lol. True
Ah shit, here we go again
Levynn He uses it a lot yeah but every time he does it makes me wanna go read it more and more
@@Jaydawg195 so just read the book lol
The positive change arc is usually used to make the audience feel better about themselves and hopeful, the belief that we can become better and we aren’t defined by the past
While the negative change arc is used in more negative ways, making the audience aware of the heart of darkness inside us all. The fact we can be broken and we can lose our morals and be corrupted.
Pajamapants Jack what about the flat character arc?
hackpo 101 it represents the people we should strive to be.
@@LjuboCupic1912 Well, Frieza is a flat character throughout the entire show. Do we strive to be Frieza? I doubt it.
@@rudtastic my bad, the positive flat arc is what we should strive to be. The negative flat arc is all you should dislike in a person.
@@LjuboCupic1912 Haha, yea this is more accurate.
Before the Goku Black Arc. most of the fandom always compare villains WITHIN the series. For Zamasu, however, was compared to villains OUTSIDE of the series. It just tells how unique he is compared to the past villains who were evil just because.
@Legendary GokuWasn't really counting them since they play more of chaotic neutral antagonist roles and so than evil.
@Legendary Goku zamasu is just an idiot.
@@burgerkingJ Well to me, he ain't that different nor anything new so yeah. I respect your opinion though.
I've seen people compare Zamasu to Light Yagami
Zamasu isn't exactly unique in terms of other villains outside of Dragon Ball. he's pretty much a mix of Akainu/Sakazuki and Doflamingo from One Piece but shallow in comparison.
Zamasu is basically the embodiment of the truism: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
When life gives you ningens lol.
Zamasu: I complain about the ningens!
xD
"When life gives you ningens, you make -"
Jiren: Owari da
A japanese word i heard so many times during the zamasu arc i understand what it met without subs lmfaoo
You make ningenade
Whilst I appreciate Zamasu, I feel like he would be far more popular if he received more episodes to make his change from neutral to evil seem more believable. Vegeta undergoes a similair change arc, only its from evil to good. However, Vegeta’s arc works way better due to how long it takes to happen and complete, with the character moments feeling like slight escelations from the last, rather than fast paced plot points to get us up to speed with a character, who is then quickly changed because conflict has to happen soon.
I wish Zamasu was introduced at the start of dragonball super, so that his fustration would boil over time, building interest and suspense.
It’s believable because we’ve seen examples of everything he’s saying all throughout db.
That would have been so good.
Idk why y’all expect good writing out if this franchise, it’s not known for that, and Vegeta does not have a character arc. We never see vegeta grow attached to characters like Bulma or trunks, he just does become good. It’s not good writing, this franchise has always sucked.
Please tell me you're joking. vegeta non existent character somehow didn't end when he came to terms that maybe he isn'tthe strongest, when he sacrificed himself against a giant piece of bubble gum, or that his true motivation to getting stronger was definitely not to protect bulma and trunks, which you claim to have no effect on vegetas character arc, or that he didn't have one at all that he just became good the moment he landed on namek @kevinnigins9488
@@kevinnigins9488 have you watched z?
the Thumbnails for those Videos are truly beautiful
Because Mark draws them for us. I love his art style
Daniel Meier Subarashi
Lee Moore same think he draws better than the people that do dB super
Though the thumbnail looks more like Supreme Kai than Zamasu tbh. But I like his art style.
I take the concept of good characters turning evil very seriously due to my own personal experiences...
*_HE WAS THE CHOSEN ONE! IT WAS SAID HE WOULD DESTROY THE SITH NOT JOIN THEM!!!_*
H e l l o t h e r e
Ah yes, I see you are a man of culture as well.
*_HIGH GROUND!_*
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
@@theknightofyoutube3454 obi wan was the original man of culture
_"I shall defeat you, eradicate humanity, and bring about the dawn of an endless age that can never be tainted"_
Uhhh I love it
Yeah his speeches are wonderful☝🏾
Its just interesting to hear him and i dislike it how people say he talks too much and its mostly people who dont really understand what he is saying🤷🏾
Bradley TenshiXVII What an ignorant argument to claim people who dislike his boring repeated rhetoric are ignorant. He could have been profound, instead he kept repeating the same line over and over again with stupid motivation - God supremacy complex, “I saw a rockman beat another with a club, therefore all mortals are evil” & “Goku beat me, wa wa”
@@papaofthejohns5882 You see? And yet here again some amateur appears and didnt understand zamasu🤷🏾
„The same line over and over again” which lines lmfao🤦🏾
The most of his speeches were about the balance of the universe and sins the mortals has done and yet he always said that in an complete other way. Of course he also had some self praising speeches, that were very interesting to hear since his words were actually true...
Your last sentence actually just proves that you are ignorant and didnt watched the goku black saga or understood zamasu properly👏
@@papaofthejohns5882 hE'S VeRbALly pAsSioNaTE In whAt hE BElIvEs iN, qUiT YoUr WHiNInG. iT's CalLEd poEtRy m8.
Zamasu is literally the worst villian ever created lol
I would have loved to see a “One Marvelous Scene” from you :’(
A video on Zamasu? My favorite villain?
*ABSOLUTELY SUBARASHII*
Wrong meme NINGEN
Ningens. Ningens everywhere.
@JJC really?
*N I N G E N*
NinjaMation the same person but stole a body from saiyan
F I L T H Y N I N G E N. HOW DARE YOU TOUCH ME
Creating character arcs
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@@EricDMMiller How old are you? Stay in school
@@EricDMMiller Well if you're not in school, act your age.
@@EricDMMiller ok kid
But no really he does say that often
Eric M you need help. Serious help.
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Did I miss anything?
Will do chief
Also Yamcha video?
What do you think of emperor pilaf and co’s character shift?
Can you do piccolo next please or compare the GT character arcs to Super
You didn't miss anything. On the contrary, you always make my Thursdays!
take a shot every time he explains the positive/negative change arcs.
you will be wasted in five minutes.
I was just thinking about that, at this point we already know don't we?
Five?
@@shavaunrandall6924 I'm assuming he explains it in every video for newcomers. Not everyone that is going to see this video is a subscriber and it is also likely they haven't seen his other videos either if that's the case.
Coulda made the timing short but alright.
@@DarkSlayerZero2000SaiyanZero yeah, but at the same time, he could've just said: "as I've explained in another video" and left it at that. I'll bet he just does it to pad for time.
Zamasu started off as a God who viewed Mortals as lower beings that were a danger to themselves and hoped his hand could guide them to be better if Gowasu allowed him. After his fight and investigation into Goku (Watching the video of the fight where Goku had some bits of dialouge referring to 'not being the God's pawns' to Hit), he became a God who viewed Mortals as lower beings that were a danger to everything around them and took it as his duty to protect the world by any means necessary. By the end of the arc, he stood alone and his justice was rejected by the world, by the Gods and by the Mortals that now stood on even ground with him. And he couldn't handle the idea that he had gone to such extremes only to be wrong and let his entire mind deteriorate.
You should do “who did it better: piccolo’s sacrifice”
I'm wondering if he'll ever do a Piccolo vid, but maybe we already know what kind of character Piccolo is
Or Who Did It Better: Bardock's death.
@@robjef622 it's the same though
Do you mean the different dubs or the different versions (DBZ, GT, Super)?
@@MattTheHuman9 Well, making version comparasion is pointless, GT one maybe was sad but at the same time almost written character out of entire story and Super was even worse. It was one of the worst fanservice moments in all of Super, Toei completly missed the fucking point of original scene from DBZ and simply rebooted it to give "a nice touch".
It’s fun to clown Mark for his shameless plugs of these books, but I’ve legit learned A LOT about writing and storytelling from this guy.
I realize now that Vegeta is practically universally loved as a character because he goes through what very much appears to be a negative change arc up until he meets his son, and then becomes a positive change once he is given something more important than himself to really care about: a family. He goes to pretty extreme lengths to reject this after realizing that it also gives him a weakness, but ultimately decides it matters more to him that he has a wife and son he loves, and even cares about the man who keeps one-upping him. Even now, there’s no real limit to how much Vegeta can continue to develop as a dad, a husband, and a dude who can just lighten up and have fun in general. If I showed a person who hasn’t seen Dragonball 1 minute of Scouter Vegeta, then 1 minute of Vegeta trying to convince Whis to train him, their head would explode.
These thumbnails are ON FIRE
Sincerely, congrats Mark
MC ita I agree. Looks way better than the people that draw dB super
@JJC Shintani Btw.
Compared to the other antagonists in Dragon Ball, Zamasu is a breath of fresh air.
Would you say he's your fav?
@@TotallyNotMark lol I’m two years late to this cuz I forgot I even made this comment, but uh, probably not. I think Zamasu was strongest at the beginning of the future trunks arc. As the story went on though, both it and he just kinda got weaker.
Gowasu’s response really reminds me of yoda’s “”therapy”” to anakin in revenge of the sith. A mentor gives a non-solution to a mental issue, ultimately ending in radicalization and destruction.
Update: I gave a hell of a lot of thought to the yoda therapy scene, and I realized I was dead wrong. Yoda was entirely right. He gave anakin the truth. What else could he have said? Lied to him and told him he could stop death like palpatine did?
Good one.
Bartek Kubica ? Good observation?
@@blaineishere3851 Yes:) I guess this is Yodas 'failure' (gasp)
Bartek Kubica yoda failed multiple times in the prequels. Hell, he even failed once in the original trilogy. Revenge of the sith was really a turning point for him. He learned from that failure and became a much better Jedi, in isolation. away from a dogmatic order.
@@blaineishere3851 Agree. I always feel it that way, but never say it out loud. Cheers mate.
I like what they tried to pull put an unique villain with Zamasu
Baby was more unique than him, to be honest.
@@lapplandkun9273 Baby unique?He has the same backstory as Hatchiyack
and he came before him.
@@lapplandkun9273 baby is boring, stupid and behaves and looks like a freaking parasyte🤦🏾🤣
Tried and failed
@@Thisdude850 zamasu just had a god complex (which isn't new been done many times and better) and whined about other people that's literally it they actually tried something with babys backstory
I'm pretty sad that we couldn't seen a slower transition to him becoming evil .They could have made him the protagonist for a few episodes, maybe even make him likeable, and then really built him up. he could've been an even greater villain, and the story would've been so much more tragic.
Zamasu: "SON GO-"
Goku: "Ah Sh- here we go again.."
Zamasu:"KKKUUUUU!!!!"
First Goku Black, now Zamasu. These analysis videos on the same character are so rich I feel like there could be 5 more and there'd *still* be something new and interesting to point out.
Great video as always Mark!!
I still think it would have been better had the "Present" Zamasu actually seen the light and become a good guy, keep the evil Zamasu who took gokus body in an alternate future and the other alternate Zamasu he teamed up with, be keep the present one around so that he can see what his "utopia" would mean doing, let him see all the suffering he'd cause and just how far gone his other counterparts are, have him be the one to offer his potara to Goku and Vegeta. And heck, bring him to Universe seven so he can see a better example of mortals, earth may not be perfect but it certainly would have been a better example then that barbarian planet.
That wouldn’t of worked since he’s probably join in he has the same beliefs as them this is right before he kills his mentor though maybe fused zamasu and the sword of hope works like stardust breaker and purifies him
Facts were spoken in here
Nah because it was always Xanadu’s soul in control. Black was just a vessel of power and a means to an end.
There was absolutely nothing that could change his mind cuz he saw too much evil in mortals already
I'm sure Metatron's words to God and Gabriel's words to Lucifer in Supernatural about humans are a perfect backlash to Zamasu's words about mortals
Frieza: i am the best villian
Zamasu: hold my be.. Wait no you aren't worthy to hold it.
Under-rated comment
Hold my tea mortal. As I need to attest the validity that anyone other than my almighty, all powerful, immortal self could potentially hold the title of the best major antagonist of this series.
Cell: Look, neither of you can beat perfection, so how about you agree to share that silver medal, 6kay?
Thursday:
Work ✔️
Driving lesson ✔️
Totally not Mark video ✔️
tf
Goodluck on your driving lesson, random person on the interwebs!
I'm pretty sure you don't need lessons you just need the test so you're mother or father could just teach you in like a week then take the test might be wrong or only were I live your laws may be different
@@EveryoneElseIsWeirdImNormal username checks out
just checking back, did you pass your driving test?
Zamasu : I will shred this universe down to its last atom. And then, with the stones you've collected for-
wait, wrong franchise
IMO, MCU Thanos is Zamasu done right
@@Antasma1 don’t even compare thanos to a shittily written character like Zamasu lol
@@codered1132 Like I said, done right
No one :
TNM : *In K.M. Weiland's book,*
Literally put the book in my cart on Amazon so I can see what Mark's really talking about.
Had to order it from barns and noble cause library doesn't carry that book.
@ *S A H L* As opposed to CZcams commenters asking the prerecorded video about the book for no reason?
Me
My mind:Go sleep
New totally Mark's video: HAKAI
Nigga what
allan xgr delete this
@@blaze7014 he could be livinf where it is night right now he has no reason to delete it
@@wesleysiler4618 yep 😊i'm happy someone finally realised it
Lol wtf you mean?
Zamasu has become my favorite Dragonball villain. James Marsters is a great choice for voicing him. Easily the best villain of Dragonball Super.
The only villain
seriously Zamasu is one of my favorite characters and my favorite Super character but seriously if Gowasu just gave him more guidance i believe he would've turned out better and i wish he did i would've loved Zamasu as a good guy even though he would probably fade into the background of the other universes
What an amazing and informative video! Well done man. Loved the video and the Zamasu drawing in the thumbnail!
Just to let you know just how "Evil" frieza is, he was in "earth's hell" which implies the biblical hell which is described as all your worst fears, pain, sorrow, ect, the worst of the worst of everything. even mental/emotional depression - All- 24/7.. not 1 shred of anything remotely good coming your way, no such thing as the feeling of relief.. it's absent from your mind as if it never was a thing..
Frieza's Hell is literally what we as humans see as Pure Joy and Happiness... let that sink in..
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate the thumbnail and how that's what zamasu would look like if he was in Z
I really enjoyed this saga, considering that I always love time travel, alternate realities and what-if kind of things. Of course, it could have been done better, but it had a strong start and the middle, in my opinion.
Man, all those little things working together, the music, the fight choreography to tell a character's state of mind, that's so cool
I really love this character series you've been doing so far(Black and (this)Zamasu's videos have been my favorites so far) I hope you keep doing more of these as they do give me insight on character writing😁
Zamasu is ideologically driven. Just like the MCU Thanos. That’s what makes them such good villains.
Thanos’s plan (wiping out the inhabitants of the universe starting from scratch) is literally just Project Zero Mortals.
@@damiancampbell7534 (inserti popular character here) is overrated. C'mon man
@@blitto9829 , he's right tho, I mean at least zamazus plan on erradicating all mortals made some level of sense,Thanos plan certainly didn't and I felt like they Tried to sell us a genocider as a simpathetic villain.
what's worse it aparently worked for most of the audience .
Adrián Alonso Thanos’ plan never meant to make sense, you’re not supposed to agree with it. He is a genocidal maniac with a god complex. The reason he works is because:
1) His character is properly developed. He’s a madman who thinks his flawed outlook on the world is correct, and the movie explores that.
2) He reacts to stuff like a real person should. He shows actual emotion in his some of his scenes - he was surprised when Loki told him he had no problem with him torturing Thor, he was sad when he was forced to kill Gamora, he was happy when he finally completed his plan, etc.
@@jeremiahvaleska8464 ,
1)except that he is never refered as insane in the movie (which is very dumb considering his title is "the mad titan") and focused WAY too much into making him relatable, also, while he may have been off to a good start in IW (a dumb as hell villain but a good one) the very much dropped the ball in endgame were they Turned him into a generic destroy-everything villain, I guess it was suposed to be a Reveal of his true nature but it was handled quite poorly
2) oh no she killed the daughter that he had previously to infinity war shown no kind of affection, granted the scene was marvelous (as was the rest of the film really) but like thanoses ideology it felt ass-pulled, overpopulation, really?
They couldn't think of a better excuse to have him Wipe out half of all life in the universe in a "justified" Way?
Come on
No one
Literally no one
Mark :In K.M Weilands book...
"So, in Spiderman they..."
Seriously. I subscribe to people for original content, not regurgitating someone else's material.
cheeseonyomama you completely miss understood what that joke was.
@@cheeseonyomama this is called referencing your sources. You must not have paid attention in English past 9th grade
@@turonparker4552 there's referencing your quotes, and then there's spamming months on months of CZcams revenue based on a lazy application of someone else's in depth novel on fictional narrative they clearly worked hard on.
All Mark did was read one book and go "wow this book on story telling could be applied to dragon Ball!"
Yeah no fucking shit. You think Toriyama was bullshitting the whole story and only *now* are we are able to unveil the depth of his storytelling via this redcoat's appropriation of a book he read once?
Get over yourself, and recognize Mark for the shill he has become.
Mark could just have the book reference in the comments without 20% of the video being "according to someone else in this book, they have their conclusions. Cool huh?"
Read books about narritave and explore dragon balls narrative with those concepts. Making a video saying "hey this character is bad, and why they are bad is this book which explains a "bad character. Based on the books "bad character" this is a bad character. End of video.
Stop phoning it in Mark. Get off your ass and make a compelling and creative video that isn't riding on the coattails of an already established assessment of storytelling.
Jesus any DragonBall fan who read the book Mark had could come to the same conclusion, if not ones more in-depth and substantial instead of "author said, Goku here."
Oh yeah! I was waiting for this analysis! Thanks @TotallyNotMark :D
did u actually ping someone in a youtube comment section
The English voice acting for zamasu is sublime
What I like about zamasu is that he didn't hate all mortals, he just wanted to help the universe like plucking weeds in a garden, but gowasu didn't help him to ease his concerns so he wants to kill all mortals, believing his own lie.
Your videos are always well-crafted, intelligent, thorough and well-written. Hell, I still rewatch a lot of your old video essays and they helped me get into Dragon Ball, which I hadn’t watched in years before the Goku analysis video came out. You’re very good at this, keep it up!
I did not expect that when I was procrastinating writing my story with DBZ fight compilations that I would find DBZ videos that are directly and immediately helpful to said story.
Your videos are great! Keep up the good work!
I think that you were missing a bit about the dynamic between trunks and zamasu. Trunks being the struggler that is the farthest thing from a god in the story at that point in time. The lie that zamasu believed was simply that he didn’t believe in anything but himself which is what trunks as a character opposes. He’s been forced to be alone and realizes that it’s the furthest thing from what is ideal. That’s why he is always reaching out for help even though he is emotionally distraught as shown from him attacking goku at the beginning.
11:48 Zamasu’s cute spray in Overwatch
Honestly I'm not big on most reviews of shows, but your channel is so amazing, you go in depth enough to be interested, but not enough to lose your train of thought, and out of all your videos this is my favorite, you put so much effort into this, and it's so evident, idk if you'll even see this, but just if you do, know you did such a good fucking job
Trunks said it best in the English Dub
"It's not about gods and mortals you don't believe in anything but yourself and we won't let you win".
The fact you had the logo in the beginning say GodTube is amazing
Zamasu did start as a villain, it just had to be brought out of him. His heart was full of hate for a long time, and he kept it bottled up. Then he formulated a calculated plan and acted it out. Even Beerus and Whis could sense something dark and ominous about him before he even began Zero Mortals or became Black.
Your videos are amazing and especially am learning a lot from you. Thank you. “The lie I tell myself” is something I can relate with
This was really well written and you had some spot on examples. Good job man, you earned yourself another subscriber
I feel like you keep glossing over the part I feel most people hated the most about the Goku Black arc: Zeno. While you do have a point, I feel the biggest thing that people hated about the Goku Black arc was that it kept escalating and escalating till suddenly in one fell swoop, everything became meaningless and we needed an infuriating deus ex machina to solve the problem. I feel that had they ended Zamasu and the arc at the point Trunks wins, we wouldn't all be so bitter.
So What I'm Getting Is That Spider-Man Media's Are A Great Example Of Anime Character Arcs.
Bro I have seen your videos popped but never took a gander at them until yesterday. Your analysis on cell & frieza were amazing and I have to say the intro for zamasu where you said "This...is zamasu" I got goosebumps man your work is amazing keep it up!
Thanks for the upload! I was hoping you eventually made q Zamasu video, because he’s my favourite super character and your analysis is quite well produced, keep up the good work!
I just realized, zamasu “final blow” in his initial fight with goku mimics the blow beerus gives goku to end their first battle when goku could only go up to ss3.
It’s interesting that it shows it’s not just his power level increasing but his skill level.
Zamasu: Mortals are aggressive dumb-asses.
Goku *appears: Lets fight for no reason!
Zamasu: I rest my case...
this is honestly my favorite series on youtube keep up the good work
really good video! also that zamasu drawing is some top tier stuff, Love everything about this
“Oh”
-Norman Osborn, 2002
Zamasu is my favorite character in dragon ball, just because he is so unique and is the only villain who isn’t evil for no reason
*Cough Cough* Broly *Cough*
@@greenrockgirl5150 broly wasn’t really the villain though he was just following his fathers orders
100% my favorite CZcamsr right now. Keep it up Mark! 💪🏿
Mark, you are the only person i know that can
make me enjoy dragon ball even more than i do now and think about everything in a new light. I love your videos
That's super cool of you to say man! Thank you kindly :)
Totally Not Mark of course man, keep up the content that makes you happy! Love all your vids
The George R.R. Martin interview fit so well with Piccolo's character arc so much. Awesome editing, Mark.
He underestimated goku...Every dragonball villain ever xD Mark you are the best db channel out there man keep it up!
Man this is gotta be my favorite video you've made so far.
Super interesting, well put and cleverly said. I din't see it like that, the moment Zamasu become the antagonist of the Arc.
Idk why, but I found using a heavy guitar rendition of Ganon’s theme as background music humorous
I'm so glad you made a video on Zamasu! He is by far my favorite villain in DBS. I really hope he makes a return somehow, he was killed by b.s in the anime lol
you can say what you want but the finale of the Zamasu arc was awesome, it was very interesting to have a villain that the heroes could not actually defeat where there was a threat and the way it was handled for his defeat was also awesome
Digging the use of the Ganondorf music from TP in the background of this DBS video.
I wish that Present Zamasu had escaped destruction to be the one to fuse with Black.
i don't think anything would change...
@@lightningdash231 3 things would change.
1. The corrupted evil emotions of Zamasu
2. The intervention of Beerus and Whis to be far more intense.
3. The attack would be on the present instead.
So zamasu falls under the wasted potential list of dragon Ball characters?
Yo... You have the most amazing Dragon Ball, Character explanations and Storytelling content on CZcams. I don't miss any of your Character dissections and so far my favorite is still Vegeta's
Said it before and could every time you upload, you make the best Db content dude, always thoroughly entertaining and made so well 👌
I mean... we didn't exactly saw Zamasu "fall from grace" he was already a twisted mofo by the time we're introduced to him so I wouldn't consider him "turning evil", we just saw him gradually get the means to go full crazy on the universe
Yeah this! He stared off with the belief that mortals were a failed creation but just did not act on these beliefs until he met Goku and in his mind saw that action needed to be taken in order to prevent mortals taking over and destroying everything. He was never really a good guy more a closeted racist/speciesist who starts off simply talking about his views before taking action to enforce his views.
“He never once calls him Goku”
Yeah, neither does Vegeta......or Frieza, come to think of it.
They rarely call him that but they have done it before
No Frieza does call him Goku. It's only a few times in Super, but he does nonetheless.
I feel lije we're missing out on a really giid Piccolo episode. I just love this series and want more. Great Video Mark!
So satisfying to watch these. Awesome as usual
Drinking Game, Take a shot every time he mentions K.M Weiland's book: Creating Character arks
I love these videos 😊🙌
Hope you make more.
Dang man, this dude puts everything into his videos, I like how he technically dissects every episode or villain
Beautiful as always!
Mark: “Positive change arcs” *shows Jaime Lannister*
This didn’t age well
What happened?
Tbh I didn't really care about his character. But I like his voice
His voice is so good
An unprecedented villain within Dragonball. I think villains with these archetypes are some of the best.
You've ascended to a higher level of analysis. I've learned a ton about storytelling & fiction though this series
I love how DBFZ's artwork is so good it makes an appearance in these videos xD
Zamasu/Black is my favorite villain in the DB Franchise, and I honestly don't care if you hate me for it.
thing about Zamasu is he already has a villain's face. However the only time a character with a villain's face fooled me was Grand Kai (Buu Saga)
These videos about dragon ball characters are pure gold dude, keep up the great work bro!