Is Eve to Blame? | Dr. Shabir Ally
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- We often tell the story of #Adam in the context of the Fall and Original Sin, but this time, Dr. Shabir Ally and Dr. Safiyyah Ally explore what Eve’s story tells us about the portrayal of #women in the religious scriptures. What do we know of Eve? Is she a seducer to be blamed? Not in the #Quran, Dr. Shabir Ally says.
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even as an atheist i am greateful for these talks !
@I am a Muslim the only thing i have not solved yet is the fermi paradox!
@I am a Muslim Allah isn't just concerned with you. There might creatures on other worlds.
@I am a Muslim yes of course Allah manages everything and listens to everyone.
Learning and understanding the universe is encouraged in the Quran.
@@ztuzar163Hello. i don't understand. Is the fermi's paradox the thing stopping you from believing in God?
Same here. There is only the creation. It is a verb.
An ongoing action without start and without end.
From A to A with no time nor space between them.
And all things are part of that whole's doing.
No one is to blame because they dont have any idea of commiting mistakes, the mistake is a preparation for the evolution of mankind...
Typical atheistic view which obliterates the concept of morality. I feel bad honestly for people like you.
Sounds like an atheistic comment. However, while you can provide this as a possibility the difference is that in the Quran Allah Chapter 7:20 mentions how they were told by Allah that Satan was their declared enemy and it was forbidden for them to eat from the tree. Satan describes eating from the tree to becoming angel like and/or immortal. So they were forewarned and they were also deceived. Those are two different instances where they were told right from wrong and they fell into deceit by taking into account what Satan said and not Allah. So they are both to blame for this. It's something we call accountability today. We all should have it as adults.
@@MacMac1313 Whats wrong with desiring to be immortals? isnt that the idea of worshipping God because we want to be like angels and immortals? God show Adam and Eve death everywhere in the garden... they see animlas die and saw the realities of this temporary life.... so they are acting on instinct to choose survival and immortality... but Allah want us to learn something beyond our animal calling to become spiritual and immortals in the afterlife... and only with this journey in this world, the falling and rising, we evolve and attain our perfection...
I am Christian but I do love this Chanel
We getting informed..see the errors of Quran
These are some of the major differences between the Biblical account of Adam and Eve and the Quranic one:
- The Bible says it was a tree of knowledge, the Qur'ân makes no such mention. According to the Qur'ân, man is inherently inspired with the knowledge of good and evil and Adam was taught the nature of all things, even before his disobedience.
- In the Biblical account, woman carries the burden of that mistake and in punishment God multiplied her agony in childbirth. There is not a single verse in the Qur'ân which suggests or implies in any way that the woman bears primary responsibility for that mistake. Pregnancy is described in the Qur'ân as noble and praiseworthy.
- In the Bible, Eve is tempted by Satan who takes the form of a serpent. The Qur'ân says Satan tempted both of them and there is no mention at all of serpent, viper or snake.
- After their disobedience, the Bible does not at all mention that Adam and Eve repented, whereas the Qur'ân emphasizes this point. According to the Qur'ân, they repented and God forgave them.
- The Bible suggests that their coming to live on earth was a sort of punishment, while the Qur'ân says that was God's plan even before He created them.
Thank you Dr Shabyr🙏🙏🙏
One of these days would Love to hear Dr. Shabir Ali speak on who is actually buried in the various tombs around the Middle East. The reason I ask is that commonly a location will be identified as the tomb of some personage only to find out later that the location is actually empty (see: King David). Supposedly Aaron is buried in Petra and Ibrahim is buried in Hebron. Is there actually the body of Mohammed (pbuh) located in his tomb in Medina? Thoughts? What about the graves of his first wife and of Aisha? Thoughts?
Great question! Hopefully we can answer it on the show!
Eve is not the blame to me...
Thank you. I finally know the difference between Quaran and Hadith. If I were a Muslim I would refer the Quaran and not the Hadith
But you need also to look at hadith for example, in Quran it said need to pray, but the pray process are teach by prophet in the hadith, Quran give the major rule but how to do it ,must be according to prophet Muhammad, he teach us how to do so
Quran is the word of GOD and Hadith is its practical application.
@@mohdhafiz9955 What in the Quran validates the Hadith? What makes the Hadith worthy of usage?
@@mohdhafiz9955 The Bible does not blame all women for Eve’s sin. But because of Original Sin, death entered the world. One cannot choose sin, without that sin then corrupting his/her flesh. As the Bible says, ‘The wages of sin is death 💀.’
And since we were all born of Adam and Eve, after they sinned, those resultant physical flaws entered our bloodline. It is like, let us say you are a baker. And you have but one pan from which to bake bread in the oven. If that pan becomes dented, then all the bread you bake in it, will have a blemish, an indentation in the risen loafs 🍞.
Neither you nor your mother are responsible for the degraded state of the human race now. But we all live with the corrupt flesh we have been born into.
@@richlisola1 in Al Quran , Adam and Eve already repentance and Allah accept their repentance, so that why we Muslim don't believe in heritage sin, if your great grandparents are a criminal, are you will be criminal too? Are your lineage will be full of criminal?
For me the story of Adam teach human that human had high curiosity, even though someone forbide them they will try it anyway, for example if someone give advice do not do drug but there still people that do drug because curiosity, it human nature
And yet God still turns to us mercifully.
At 11:15, what's the word being used? Acknowledging and?
Acquiescing (a-kwi-ESS-ing)
To reluctantly accept something, but without protest. ‘You’ve won *this* one non-Quranic argument, but... *grumble grumble*’
@@gregfocker123 thanks 😊
Timothy 2:
11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.
I started with Zakir Naik and lots of islamic speakers and at last stucked at Dr. Sabbir Aly.
I started out various Qaris then I stucked at Mishary Rashid AlAfasy.
Maybe Dr Shabir should check the historical context of Paul writing about women preaching in church..this matter has been discuss in the scholarly world and thus way, many women preach today in churches.
One question to Ali shabir . is Cryonics permitted???? @Let the Quran speak
Cryonics if achieved, would only delay death. Death and the Last Judgment are inevitable. They must come to pass.
Hi, I had a question that is related to this topic. My question is that why did Allah command the angels to bow only to Adam? why didn't he command them to bow to both Adam and Eve (Hawa)?
I hope I haven't offended anyone with this question, and thank you!
hawa wasnt created at that time
Hawa was not exist yet
In actuality when it says "desire" it is not to mean wants to be with. It means to be in an ongoing conflict with her husband. Meaning she will desire to rule over her husband but he will rule over her. Even if you go by the Christian standpoint Adam is the blame it is basically why he was condemned to work himself to death. Even from the Christian standpoint Eve is getting blame but Adam is really getting the bulk of the blame because he did not rebuke Eve and chastise the actions as the leader.
Old societies were misogynistic. Period.
@The Visitor Not the point... the fact that Adam is the blame is not a misogynistic stance. Societies that properly followed scriptures were not.
Nope. The original word means "turning" in other words she shall turn towards her husband and he SHALL rule meaning a prophecy not a prescription of what was to happen. Man was NEVER in a position to be leader of Eve. That's reading into scripture something that was never said.
@scourge3 If a person is a Christian they believe the covenant was made with Adam and God. Once Eve was created, Adam named what she was and who she was. He never came down and spoke to Eve about the duties of the Garden. A covenant is established with the one who is in charge. I have resources I can provide, but I am not sure if it's proper on this Muslim page. This is speaking from a Christian belief standpoint.
@Welt B That's only true if the person accepts the Covenant. No God determined Who she was. The only thing Adam did was gave her a name. There is no indication that Eve was to be lead by Adam. I have sources also.
As usual a great video from Dr. Ally. What does the Quran say about origin of Eve? Does the Quran, like the previous scriptures, say that Eve was created from Adam's chest bone?
Oh ok, thanks
Is eve mention in Koran??
sayed
Eve didn’t force Adam to eat it , he could’ve rejected it . If someone tells you to jump from a tall building it would be up to the person to use their judgment.
It was predestined anyway so God knew this would happen
Abraham but why tho ? Deep breath
Kaniz Fatima ty for sharing the knowledge 🙏🏼
In Islam, people are free to make up or change any story as they see fit. It was this way since the beginning and continues to this day.
Did viruses and diseases already exist before the fall?
Or did God create them afterwards as further punishment?
Thanks.
No non of the holy scriptures say that my mother is to blame she is the most beautiful woman ever !
The Bible does not blame all women for Eve’s sin. But because of Original Sin, death entered the world. One cannot choose sin, without that sin then corrupting his/her flesh. As the Bible says, ‘The wages of sin is death 💀.’
And since we were all born of Adam and Eve, after they sinned, those resultant physical flaws entered our bloodline. It is like, let us say you are a baker. And you have but one pan from which to bake bread in the oven. If that pan becomes dented, then all the bread you bake in it, will have a blemish, an indentation in the risen loafs 🍞.
@@richlisola1 - Original sin is not biblical
Can't be clearer than this.
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great as usual. mantrap.
Mantrap?
@@gregfocker123 it indonesian slang for marvelous x100 hehe.
Mantap
@@sukaisnaini1843 masak?
there is a clear Hadith Prophet said " Eve was created from Adams rib " & Quran support it says " و خلق منها زوجها " # nevertheless any Hadith narrated by Bukhari or Muslim is extremely reliable & authentic except 1 or 2 Ahadith #
ur wrong dont blab so confidently without knowin these topics. second u actually think u know more than a religious doctor like shabir ally?
The truth is not a manly thing it is independent from what our feelings try and ascribe to it
in my point of view,,, ALLAH(muslim),, ELOHIM(jewish) ,,, YAHWAH(Christians) all are same,,,, because their every character is same...
Dr. Shabir Ally with daughter nice show
Critics like to make a big deal about the differences between Genesis 1 and Genesis 2. Genesis 1 is big picture. Genesis 2 is little picture. God does not do anything as an afterthought. He merely delayed Adam's introduction to Eve so that he would appreciate her more.
Yet there are many woman preachers in Christianity, yet no so many women religious leaders in Islam or Judaism. It seems that Christians understanding of these verses is totally different from it is depicted here. To be sure, the show is a short segment that tried to unpack a complex issue in a very short interval of time. The letters attributed to Paul can be questioned in Christianity, that is because the faith existed before those letters were written, and such letters had essentially ministerial functions to the various churches. Those letters also display reasoning and conclusions that the Christians is allowed to interpret and evaluate rigorously and critically. Thus the intellectual predisposition in Christianity offers a lot of room for intellectual flexibility and reasoning. The Islamic approach is very different insofar as more emphasis is submission, even without understanding. As such, Christians have been more successful at addressing sexism in religious functions and political and public life than Muslims, which explains why you can see so many women pastors, street preachers, ministers in churches (although the circumstances differ depending on the denomination followed), also in most Christians societies it’s easier for women to run for public offices and be elected as leaders.
Islam can’t claim a theology that is more positive towards women without first correcting the narrative that women can’t perform certain religious role or should be limited in her functions in society- it’s a dichotomy between the claim of the religion and what it actually teaches and practice.
A very interesting topic, but I wish were addressed with much less bias from the host. I also think Dr Shabir may have a more integrative faith where he may be quite comfortable with the idea of a society where men and women are equal socially, culturally, politically, and economically. Interesting show.
There are a decent amount of female preachers and if not preachers many of them are writing papers etc working for religious institutions another thing is women aren't something to be displayed and ogled at in public so leadership roles for them are not preferred.
I consider myself a culturally Christian but am agnostic as to whether there is a God. I believe that Jesus, Muhammad and Buddha existed as real people, but obviously not in contact with a God who may or may not exist. I think the biggest issue with the New Testament is Saul of Tarsus (St.Paul) Jesus is fully inclusive Paul is not. LOL i could go on and on and on
Let the Quran Speak...why is the bible used as reference?🤔
Because this religion swears that the bible is corrupted but they love to use it as a reference. The same sarcasm.😘
To compare and contrast... and let the viewers judge
Have a nice day
Because it's our holy book as well
@@ethioramble - No because it's our book as well
@@ethioramble - We are not to say anything bad about the torah, zabur & injil (bible) the Quran tells us there is no differentiation between the prophets and books of Allah. Have a nice day
This show is called “Let the Quran Speak” yet it’s mostly human speculation and Hadith nonsense. I agree. Let the Quran speak.
Andrew Delgado people have the rights to discuss and hear different opinions if u don’t like it than don’t get involved. People learning from others is always 🔑
ANITA exactly so why don’t I have the right to give a different opinion? Just because you don’t like my opinion doesn’t mean I can’t express it. Don’t be ignorant.
Andrew Delgado I never said I didn’t like your opinion you’re the one that assumed that
It brings up the Quran and it talks about how the companions or the prophet saw himself interpreted the holy speech bro. This is just like how Christians listen to the commentary supposedly provided by Luke John and Matthew etc
Eve wasn't an after thought my dear. If you notice God's pattern of creation you'll see that He had created all animals in pairs (male and female) before he made Adam.
Common sense should give the understanding that God did not create this large planet for one man to inhabit and since Adam who was made with a reproductive system could not reproduce humanity by himself, should clue in any intelligent being that God intended to create woman from the beginning and she was not an after thought.
God may have even created Eve the same time he created Adam but bring Adam to life first so he can use his rib to complete the woman to make them genetically compatible in every way and physically connected.
I respect his wider knowledge compared to other religious speakers but he also just like 99.9% of Abrahamaic faith leaders has not understood hidden Abrahamic messages.. Adam & Eve is the most misunderstopd story of humanity.
The irony is that the tree they ate fruit from is called "Tree of Knowledge". Abrahamic God sees Knowledge as a bad thing for humans. It also gives the reason why.
In bible it say, by gaining knowledge, humans reach status of God. They become god-like( Evolution process) and therefore eating from it must be forbidden.
Knowledge is the most essential element for evolution process. The Abrahamic God wants the humans remain controlled and be forever on earth. It wants a servant version of human race. The highest good of human beings which is evolution is not his priority. Therefore he labels the snake as evil to fulfill his purpose and keep humans in ignorance rather finding their true divine nature through knowledge. (He does it for the good of humanity. So those who still have the courage to eat the fruit of wisdom afger his words, wojld be qualified for evolution as result of their intelligence and not beung ruled by demonic FEAR)
The snake of the story wants to make you liberated. He is not the villain of the story. Quite opposite... people must understand Snake and God are not even two separate entities. They are two different manifestations(actors) of the same divine, playing the divine game on you with two diffetent roles.
They are not Two. THEY ACT AS TWO. BUT THEY ARE ONE. One instills fear in your heart and the other one trying to push you to find your divinity. At the end those are able to use their intelligence and understand the divine beyond this duality show of God vs Satan and by dissolving fear and coming out successfully from this paradox game of the divine, get liberated.
Nevertheless, it is not a stance against Abrahamic religions. It is just that to get liberated through them and evolve, one must be able to go beyond literal reading of their books and understand them beyond an ordinary person is capable of. So the percentage of such people is quite insignificant.
I dreamt about it the fruit a petals on top a white fruit with bottom half black as soon as she picks the fruit and the black spread it was to late Adam lost the rainbow colour covering over him n he become normal looking awkward
It's not eve's fault it was steve.
Maby it was a lesbian?
Anyways!
In the Gospel of Jesus there will be a New Eden.
Revalation 22
Hmm
The three religions are full of contradictions
So much twisting , and speculation. Why not just say we don't know , better answer
When a rule is invented then so are rule breakers invented! So God is to blame!
The purpose however was to place mankind on the path to transcend his animal nature. Once education and knowledge has ascended high enough then there is no longer any need for external rules. Morality is internalized, and spontaneous intelligence expresses harmony in its behaviour.
Eating the apples was not a mistake, it was a blessing.
The Bible does not blame all women for Eve’s sin. But because of Original Sin, death entered the world. One cannot choose sin, without that sin then corrupting his/her flesh. As the Bible says, ‘The wages of sin is death 💀.’
And since we were all born of Adam and Eve, after they sinned, those resultant physical flaws entered our bloodline. It is like, let us say you are a baker. And you have but one pan from which to bake bread in the oven. If that pan becomes dented, then all the bread you bake in it, will have a blemish, an indentation in the risen loafs 🍞.
Neither you or your mother are responsible for the degraded state of the human race now. But we all live with the corrupt flesh we have been born into.
Speculation not scholarship.
He brings up multiple schools and interpretations to show how the scholars think not a linear gentile view
Genesis...
Matthew...
Revalation...
Repent lol
Isaiah47
The Quran is no different when it comes to giving women second class status. The reason why Allah didn't mention eve responsible for anything is because Allah is giving Eve a second class status. Everywhere in Quran the text refers to Man as its primary audience. Would shabbir Ally blame his own religion the same way he blames other's would he admit that thier are wrong things in the Quran which according to todays standards are outdated. Instead he would say Subhanallah what a miracle Allah has shown us the light to beat women into submission.
You can play any pronoun games you want... however god also refers to himself with a male pronoun doesn't make Him male gendered languages use pronouns and when a group of people contain even one man the masculine pronoun is used. This is a very poor excuse to be ignorant
@@hamzakhairi4765 I think you haven't read Quran or my comment carefully.
is eve to blame ??? no your puppet