FWD or RWD - Which is BEST?
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- čas přidán 10. 04. 2020
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Which is better Front Wheel Drive or Rear Wheel Drive? We look at the FWD vs RWD debate from every angle! We look at Cars like the Civic Type R, the Austin Mini, the Toyota MR2 Spyder, and the Camaro ZL1 1LE. We compare Nurburgring laps, Sales Numbers, and Performance between Transversely mounted engines and Longitudinally mounted engines. We even look at motorsport like F1, Indycar, NASCAR, and Formula Drift.
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"any engine into any car"
be right back, gonna hemi swap a peel p50
Might have to clearance it a bit
Gonna drive it on the roof then.
The car is like the size of the engine
@@sea_emperour346 Exactly. Which is why you'll gonna drive it like Mr. Bean, on the roof.
Jack pender I saw a video of russians putting two engines to power a lada. Some restructuring was needed but hey, you could definitely do this too.
Did anyone else notice when he was scoring after the availability category he said fwd has some catching up to do when it had more points
You beat me to it by 58 mins.
Damn i was just about to say the samething
I noticed it too. So many flaws in this show.
Omg yes xD
He also messed up the very first category
If you let your head talk FWD wins, if you let your heart talk RWD wins......
But if there is an AWD in the mix all bets are off
RWD just feels so good ❤️
@@Mad_Lad_11 not while driving
@@Manuel-zc7po you may hate it. but I personally love it
edit: You can't really drift an FWD ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@Mad_Lad_11 yea,but how often do u drift?
I think this is the best way you can decide between the two options:
If you are young and with no children, the RWD is an option you would like.
Once you have kids and need to consider safety during snow and rain, plus fuel economy, the FWD option is one that you need.
awd is what you need*
@@Zalequez how did all of those people who lived in snowy climates ever survive before awd was ubiquitous? Seriously, unless you live in the arctic fwd is all 95% of people need
@@CZcamsduude fwd is what opps need '-' and i aint no opposition brodie thats all you
If youre young theres a 90% chance ur broke, i love RWD its just too expensive
@@CZcamsduude 90% of people on their 20s in finland drive rwd cars, me included. It's just fun to turn off esp and start driving 80kmh on snowy and curvy road and be afraid of dying any possible second. Mercedes and bmws are quite common in every other age class too. Rwds are not bad in the snow if you know what you are doing
FWD for Practicality
RWD for Partying
AWD for PractiPartying
AWD for partying practically
AWD for practicing partying
AWD FOR PRAYING when you catch sliding in the corner
Awd is the mullet of drivetrains, business in the front, and party in the back
Never heard of RWD as being impractical.
These other hosts are really good to watch when they don't try to be James or Nolan
Agreed
Exactly. When James couldn't make videos, there was one guy that just couldn't work his own way and it was very weird.
Jup agree, like him much more this way!
Have you noticed that all hosts have J in their names?
@@joematt18 James, Nolanj, Bartj
This was like comparing a longboard and a skateboard clearly the skateboard is gonna be more fun to drive at the end of the day so that deserves a point
I personally prefer to skate on longboards, and for me they're more fun just cuz they're so smooth for transit stuff, just me tho.
@@Cookie-fe7mn have you learned tricks for the skateboard?
@@monney21gaming58 yea I have, but idk, I just prefer cruising? It's hard to explain
@@Cookie-fe7mn shit same here. Grew up skating and got a longboard when I was 16-17, rode for years and 10-20 miles a day for over a year. Always will take a decent longboard over a skateboard
My thoughts exactly. We ain’t out here riding wrongboards unless you’re a kook or an absolute downhill bomber. Other than that. DO A KICKFLIP!!! 😂
this one seems a little off, for starters I've replaced more cv's and transaxles then any rwd transmission parts on my cars, and i've owned more rwd cars. probably the most interesting comparison was an 02' mustang and my 01' continental. both had the 4.6L ford motor but the continental went through 4 cv joints and a transaxle @140k mi vs the mustang that was driven harder and still has the factory trans,diff and everything between @210k mi. Also, living in a snow state with a rwd is way more fun because every snow day is a drift day. i don't think this answer is as simple as we all want it to be.
i mean snow day is drift day even for my camry
AWD : "Perfectly balanced as all thing should be"
Maintenance, economy : lmao no
Except for maintenance cost.
And massive understeer compared to front wheel drive. But not as much as midship engine 🤷🏾♂️
And Wide angle u turn
The understeer tho
Best part is the Wrx sti has the knob that you can make more fwd or rwd or 50/50
"I'm not launching at EVERY red light"
Really means.. "Sometimes a car is in front of me at a light so I can't launch"
That's why bikes are better Lol. You always get to the front and you can launch.
@@riccirohde3362 Unless gramps drove his Harley that day.
@@sienile Lol. Its so true that I have to pay that one. I've never understood the desire to take one of them out. Unnecessarily heavy. Unnecessarily loud. You don't ride a Harley you drive one and you can't lane split.
If I have to deal with lining up in traffic, I'll stick to the safety cell of a car thanks.
@@riccirohde3362 It's by drfault not better unless it can comftorably cary *atleast* 2 people and act as a shelter from rain
Which bikes fail to do
When we are talking about launching from traffic lights, what you said is irrelevant to being better.
To argue the point though, my bike can carry 2 but my GF prefers to ride her bike and with the right riding gear, you don't get wet when it rains.
Ryosuke Takahashi would also add that the RWD has the advantage on the uphill because it does not have the burden to power the car and also steer it.
Missufiringu shistamu is a rwd killer
if you said rwd has the benefit of having more weight and thus grip on the rear wheels, yeah. But if you're on an incline steep enough to _matter_ you _need_ the steering wheels to have as much grip as possible, even to the point of having near zero grip on the rear. You can mitigate having lost the rear in an fwd car. You can not mitigate having lost the front in a rwd.
The fact that RWD was physically easier to fix should’ve brought them up to at least a tie.
I was mind blown by the scoring on that, came off as biased to me. At that point I knew fwd was going to be his winner by the end of it
RWD is MILES easier to work on, after working on my mustang or my jeep, my parents minivan was a nightmare 😳
BS scoring. How many extra parts? Tail shaft, diff. Both are super tough and not commonly prone to failure.
Timing belt on RWD = painful.
Timing belt on FWD = kill me now.
Spark plugs on V6/V8 RWD = Easy as.
Spark plugs on V6/V8 fwd = pain in the arse.
@@Vermicious well, the clutch on the rwd is easier aswel
Jesus loves you
It's like mom trying to explain to you that the Prius is better than the 86 while standing in the Toyota dealership after you've saved up enough money, and told all your friends from school that you already know how to change the clutch, suspension and short shifter on the 86.
Star Killa its okay they make the same power😂
I mean if you think about it insurance premiums and driving during winter would be easier with a prius.
@@ML-fc3je why are you even on this channel?
@@lazarnedeljkovic5615 he isn't wrong you know. Insurance on a Prius is cheaper than a sports car. And fwd has better grip in snow ice or rain.
@@lazarnedeljkovic5615 lol bc i love this channel man, but yeah i get your point lol. Anyways not everyone can afford two cars specially now with rona going around. Speaking of which anyone got spare TP =P
He said “front wheel drive cars have some catching up to do” after he scored the first category.
Okay good im glad i wasnt the only one that caught that lol
I had to rewind it cuz I thought I heard it wrong. Lol but nope. He said it lmao
Man! Flubbed it! 🤦
I was so confused like what is points
@@therandumbcarguy Same, haha
I love how these videos explain the nuances clearly. That is honestly quite difficult to do properly.
I'm honestly really surprised that they didn't mention the static friction in the corners. Friction is basically a resource in the corners. You only have so much of it. If you're "using" some of that friction to put power down to the road, you have less of it left over to keep your car pointed where you're steering
Maybe some people would argue that powering the front wheels gives you a kind of "thrust vectoring" on corners, the traction being pointed towards the corner while rwd pushes you straight to the outside. I still prefer rwd though.
@@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor vectoring should be handled by the steering if it's 2wd. The issue is that the "thrust vectoring" you're talking about actually uses up some of that friction resource I mentioned, leaving less to actually steer the car. If you are using the rear tires for all of your thrust then you can use all of the friction up front to turn
@@mikecurry6847 while I too prefer rwd, things are way more complex. For example, since rwd pushes you towards the outside of the corner, accelerating in a corner induces a force on the front steering wheels which increases their grip usage and brings them closer to their grip limit. In fact sometimes it happens that flooring the gas pedal in a rwd car on a corner gives you an understeer rather than an oversteer.
Also, although you say that in fwd the front wheels use their grip more, sometimes it happens that the rear wheels in a rwd reach their grip limit sooner than the front ones do in a fwd, specially on slippery surfaces like gravel or wet pavement. That's because in these conditions the weight transfer is too low to benefit the rear wheels.
In European and British touring car racing there have been cases of fwd cars winning championships against bmws and mercedes that are rwd. I guess it also depends on the power of the engine because I wouldn't send 400hp or more through the front wheels.
I prefer rwd because nothing beats the fun of powersliding, and I totally dislike the score result on this video, but we have to admit that at least under 400hp (and most of us don't have cars that powerful) fwd cars can be as fast as rwd.
But of course super sport cars like ferraris, Lamborghinis, corvettes, vipers, porsches etc and elite motorsports like formula one, top fuel dragsters etc are never gonna be fwd.
@@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor no it doesn't have to be some crazy car and it has nothing at all to do with weight transfer. Any car can take corners too fast. If you're trying to go as fast as possible, rwd is the way to go. Do you have any knowledge on this or are you just pulling it out of nowhere? This isn't an original idea, I didn't make it up. Google it
Donut Media: FWD vs. RWD which is better
AWD: am I a joke to you
Allen Brylle Corpuz holy fuck it’s obvious
Yes you are a joke
Bruh, its the best of both put together
AWD is just a fusion of FWD and RWD
@@udontknowme1654 EXACTLY
Average forza player be like:
*AWD Swap*
for real lol
Dead ass!
Always
Guilty as charged...
I actually try to keep the original drive train since rwd and fwd come with their own skills at driving
I've owned all three drivetrains in various versions, and for me there's no comparison at all.
FWD is cheap to make, but a catastrophe for maintenance because so much is stuffed into the engine compartment and lots of big angles the power has to navigate.
AWD is great if you genuinely _need_ to put down more power than one pair of tires can manage... but for most drivers in most conditions, that's very, very rare.
RWD is the easiest to maintain by far, and _when built well_ is excellent in the snow, far, far better than FWD or AWD for most drivers in most conditions. The problem is that RWD gets a bad rap for mostly American-designed cars that are RWD despite having 70/30-ish weight distribution. The "grip advantage" in poor conditions that FWD gets is _entirely_ based on that terrible weight distribution that so many people have just come to expect as 'inevitable'.
Here's the basic problem: In FWD, you are sending power and control to the same place. If you need more power than your traction can put down, you definitionally have no control, and vice versa. However, since only the front wheels break free, and the rear wheels are more important for staying in an envelope of _recoverability,_ for an unskilled driver, this makes FWD sort of self-limiting (unless you don't listen to your tire expert and put the new tires on the front instead of the rear where they should be).
In AWD, you are sending power to all four wheels, which _sounds_ great, and when you genuinely need maximum possible power to the ground, it is. But it also means that you inherit the problems of _both_ FWD _and_ RWD, which can make them unpredictable in the hands of an amateur when things get dicey.
In RWD, you use one set of wheels to steer, and one set for power. It's the ideal, in my opinion (if we're talking about pure FWD, RWD, 50/50 AWD).
I know, I know, Subaru fanboys will be upset, but here's the thing... the best winter car I ever owned was _not_ my Imprezza with perfect power distribution. I know, shocking, right? I was shocked too! On paper, 25% power to each wheel for four-wheel burnouts is _obviously_ the best. But in real life, nooooot so much.
My favorite cars of all three power options (without fancy stuff to get in the way), and my experience with them in poor conditions is as follows:
FWD: Nissan Sentra. This car could pretty much either go, or not go. If it couldn't go, it would very quickly get into trouble. Once you break the front tires free, the car starts to yaw with the camber of the road. Thrust steer can help with this _somewhat_ but ultimately it just felt like the rear was being dragged around like a useless lump. Throwing it around to play, it just... didn't. Like most FWD cars it suffered from crippling levels of understeer. With the handbrake I could get the rear to kick out a little, but not much. Really kind of boring, for all that it was zippy on dry ground.
AWD: Subaru Imprezza. This car could go pretty much no matter what. It could leave several inches of ruts in the snow with the undercarriage components, literally still going while using the front bumper as a plow. Great, right? Well... I'd say "good". Here's the problem. If you're on level ground, it's practically miraculous. Up hills it's obviously the best option. But road camber? There were many times when I'd start up in extremely slick conditions with parked cars to my right, and as all four wheels would break free, I'd just slowly start sliding to the right along the slope of the road camber. Thrust steering isn't as much of an option as it is for FWD, because the rear has a tendency to kick out. So you either make it without side-swiping, or you don't, and have to creep out very slowly without losing grip. Playing with it in the snow was always a little bit disappointing. As long as I stayed on the power, I could retain control, but it always slid _waaaaay_ further sideways than I wished it would, and the counter-intuitive way in which it wanted _more_ power to thrust-steer into recovery, and taking your foot off the gas would just as counter-intuitively make it completely lose its rear-end and spin made it kind of unpredictable in the snow. Yeah, it could go... but like I always used to tell confused FWD car owners when insisting on putting a pair of new tires on the rear, "If you can't get enough traction to go, you also can't die. If you put the good tires on the front, and _can_ get going, only to spin out, that's much worse than just being stuck." This car _always_ had enough grip to get going... but is that always a good thing? I'm not so sure.
RWD: Toyota MR2 (Mk 2). This was _the best_ winter car I ever owned. No, it couldn't go through snow deep enough to be half way up the bumper, but on normal streets, with crushed-down snow, or thinner layers after plowing, this car had the single quality that I think makes a well-balanced RWD car superior: predictability. Now, admittedly, I had some _very_ nice tires on it (I was a tire sales manager at the time, after all!): V-rated BFG KDWS all-season sports tires, big wide boys on the back (IIRC, 245/45R18, front 215/55R18), but this car never, ever got stuck. It also never slid sideways, or wandered due to road camber or side hills. It just did what I wanted it to do. If I wanted to stay planted, I'd keep the throttle mild and it'd track perfectly. If I wanted to do a slow, graceful snowy power-slide or drift, it was like it could read my mind. IIRC, it had about a 45/55 front/rear weight distribution, and when sideways, had zero tendency to change angle on its own. It didn't have the power to be a drift car, and it had _way_ too much grip with those tires; I could throw it around normal street corners at stoplights at 45 mph and not even a chirp from the tires, and highway onramps marked for 35, I could take at 90+ with no issue at all. When it did start to let go, it did so gracefully and predictably, giving me plenty of warning and never threatening to do anything scary or unpredictable.
So, my take on the three pure-form drivetrains with no gizmos is: FWD is cheap, simple, and relatively safe, but not as good as the hype. AWD is expensive and could get an inexperienced driver into more trouble than they know how to handle (as evidenced by the number of SUVs I see in ditches in the winter). RWD is optimal... but only with a good weight distribution, either 50/50 or a bit heavier to the back, but since _most_ RWD cars still have more weight in the front, it gets a bad reputation not for where the power goes, but for the layout of the car. Mid-engine RWD is amazing!
When you start to mix things up, though, I actually think a primarily RWD car that _can_ send power to the front wheels when required, with traction control, is better by far. My Volvo XC90 just never lost its footing. Never. Turns out, computers are really good at micro-adjustments to ensure wheels never spin, and never lose grip. That thing was just _planted,_ no exceptions, in the snow.
My _worst_ ever winter car? A Chevy Prism. Auto trans, all kinds of ways for power to build up then release like a rubber band, to demolish grip, extremely poor weight distribution, underpowered... ugh.
Oh, of course, my Suzuki Samurai, in 4-Low with hubs locked was a beast and a half... except for that time when the wind hit the rag top and flipped me around like a Hot Wheel being smacked by a toddler, heh. Nothing to do there but hold on and hope... and then effortlessly crawl up out of the snow-filled ditch when the dust had settled. xD
Loved this video. I drive a rear wheel drive car and everything you said especially about everyday drive ability fits 10/10
"Letting the numbers do the talking."
*proceeds to personally rate every category*
Technically a Number 🤣
And then after saying fwd wins he says, so do you guys like fwd like me or rwd 😂
@@josephtinoco3292 No, he said "fwd, like me or rwd, like me" implying he likes both and doesn't have a bias towards either.
Donut Media: FWD VS RWD which is BEST?
AWD: I'm BOTH
Tesla Gang
@@Eduardo_Espinoza any car brand gang?
This gentleman has a lot of potential, it just need to relax a little bit more and make it more cozy for all of us 👍🏼🙏🏼 welcome to the donut family
I just want to point out the Level of track records a rwd car has so the fact that it didn't get 5 points there is kinda bs
The real answer is *single wheel drive*
what about non wheel drive cars? why did everyone forget about them
Busa bois unite
three wheel drive on four wheeled cars is where its at, the real question is what wheel do you leave out the power? personally im a rear left, rear right, and front right wheel drive. the front left wheel is wack
Chairhotdogchair i was thinking the same thing 😳
With an open differential, that’s possible🤣 Trust me!
This was informative, but the point system seemed pretty arbitrary.
1 point each round would be nicer
Yeah, for example daily ability... like rwd cars are basically unusable in the winter if u want to get to school/work reliably..which is half of the year so 😂
KNIGHT FALL snow tires my dude
@@knightfall7534 I have a 99 Mustang with a 5 speed specifically for winter driving, way easier to control especially when taking a corner
The nature of FWD just makes it generally a bit more controllable in low-grip situations. Someone I know had an old Mégane, that would do excellently in the cold... On sport suspension and standard tyres.
honestly both are so cool in their own rights and it truly depends on personal preference and circumstances
Oversteered my 2nd S2K and nearly died. After a 6 year break I am tempted to get a 3rd, but am opting for a Type R instead because FWD and I’m still scared as hell after that reality check.
oversteering doesn’t mean your going to crash you need to learn how to handle it when it does happen. Fwds are not immune from oversteer, and it can actually happen pretty easily. I’ve run into oversteer more than understeer with my fwd
@@arcanevoid9199ive never oversteered my fwd car even at cornering speeds above 100mph. I dont know man i just cant trust an rwd for that job😂
@@TrueTwinGamer depends what the car is and how it’s setup along with how it’s been driven. I’ve oversteered going less than 30mph in my fwd
did you take any safe driving lessons?
@@TrueTwinGamer ... do you want to? accelerate through a corner as hard as it can and suddenly release the throttle 🤭
Kinda reminds me of science garage. I miss science garage.
they should bring it back and do one about jet engines or something
Some say they learnt more from science garage than other courses
@@_generation_youth_x28
I sure did!
Why did they cancel science garage?
Yep
“You’d have problems with slippery surfaces in RWD”
Lancia Stratos and 037: *am I a joke to you?*
because the driver was trained for that and old rally cars are RWD due to less weight at that time.
Xalinsky nothing to do with weight it was illegal for many years
@@prezofthemoon9486 No, there was no Way the make a Light and Sporty AWD. The quattro was the Revolution with a Middiffertial and (Sorry im german and dont know The Englisch Word) a Hohlwelle.
And RWD cars with any tires that aren't track tires. There are even tires you can buy that are SPECIFICALLY meant for cold and snow and rain.
Just brake smoothly and you'll be okay.
Owning classic muscle cars, a balanced frc rwd, and an awesome Em1 I really think it all comes down to personal choice. My favorite car to drive was the em1 but you can’t beat drifting in a rwd.
Would of liked a fun-to-drive category. Good comparison in the customizability category though 😀
Exactly, add that and FWD doesn't stand a chance haha!
You forgot one category:
Driftability
Kyparn they also forgot another category. Averagedriverdoesntcareability.
The only category that matters
@@oatmealenthusiast4330 honestly I don't care about drifting, while yes it looks cool it is detrimental to speed and ends up slowing the car down unless you are on unpaved roads.
And wheleabiliti #draglife
if someone use daily car for drifting, NO
“Rear wheel drive is bad in snow” Me: *Laughs in Canadian*
snow + RWD = most fun driving :D
Lol Same here, I'm Swedish and we love our RWD's in the snow. So much fun and never a problem! This guy talks bs :D
For common user it´s true, but no for real drivers, we love rwd everywhere and anytime :D
@RisoDHDetva Spittin straight Facts
So true 😂 i drive a 1996 gmc sierra rwd and it rides perfect in the snow
Availability for car lovers matters not, we will walk to the ends of the earth for the correct car when buying. I live in the Northeast, so you best believe I'm usually taking a trip when going to get my cars. People think I'm crazy but taking a day to get a car that's never seen snow is worth it every time. It also means I can get RWD a lot easier. Small price to pay (and the trips with my dad generate good memories and stories) for getting the right car once every handful of years. Just went on my last little trip three months ago, and now have my lovely California RWD 340i MPPSK car, something that just wasn't available in Buffalo, NY. A little undercoat and some Blizzaks and she is read for winter. Worth the trip and minor (I undercoated and got snow tires for my s4 too) preparation extras to have the best driver's experience. Just my take...
I've had all configurations just about, including the standard rwd V8. Right now my FWD '06 Corolla XRS is a potential monster. New tyranny here wed with a LSD + short shifter and bushings. Then the rest. Thinking of leaving it sleeper outside. Shooting for 350HP agility based.
“Which means FWD is our winner!” Me: woooaaahhhh ok, lets check these comments
yes same
Same
Same
Right, rear wheel drive will always be a more fun car
Same.
"I let the numbers do the talking" - (The numbers I arbitrarilymake up)
That's what I'm saying. He can't say _"I'll let the numbers do the talking"_ when the numbers are opinion based.
I cant seem to understand their scoring system here. It makes no sense to me
Exactly. They give FWD 3 points in "trackability" and RWD just ONE additional point?.. What a joke! RWD regularly DESTROYS FWD at the track, almost every track, in almost every form of motorsport at said tracks.. But that equals a 3 vs 4 to these knuckleheads? Nearly a dead heat in the performance catagory?!? Hah! These jokesters are trying so hard not to upset their FWD fanbase.
@@WolfCommander Nope. Guess it's our own fault for watching donut media, and thinking it would make sense. It's not the most serious of car shows. But entertaining from time to time
bliglum no, I agree with it, just depends on what track you’re talking about, my focus st is pushing 400+ to the ground and fucking beats rwds dick in, I’ve yet to find a car put in Colorado that’s rwd that can beat me, straight or track, don’t matter, minus my friends 1,100hp hellcat, shit fucked my cooter
My area of the US isn't known for massive snowfalls or snowdrifts in harsh winters but we are known for REALLY bad ice which makes roads slippery death traps however while my friends and family have to be careful with their RWD to avoid losing control or spinning out, its easy for me to regain control on the same ice in my FWD.
Everyone will hate me for this, but let's go:
1_ Front wheel drive favors regenerative braking. The weight shift towards the front axle during braking means the front wheels can receive higher braking torque, permitting higher regeneration power, and higher energy efficiency.
2_ Steering or driving an axle makes it way more expensive to manufacture than an axle that is neither driven nor steered. However, driving the front wheels will cost only marginally more than just steering them, while driving the rear wheels through anything but a live axle will cost as much as or maybe more than a complete front wheel drive suspension.
3_ Rear wheel drive is only necessary when, due to the power level, it is critical to use the weight shift to the rear axle during acceleration in order to provide better traction.
4_ Torque steer is caused by driveline asymmetry and suspension geometry (when the traction makes the wheels toe in too much and then a minor weight shift chooses one side to runaway to); but depending on power level, when the asymmetry gets sorted out, the geometry doesn't need to; just look at Subaru cars.
"rear wheel drive cars are bad in snow" me laughs in Volvo 240
some dude: "My celica is superior in the snow! It has all wheel drive!"
quiet kid with his dad's 86: haha car go sideways
Some dude on a subie: you cant just run anything on dirt
Someone else: haha Volvo go brroom
I literally drive my ‘15 mustang GT in the snow
lol same here, I love 140, 240, 740, 940's. Normies who can't handle a car should go FWD. Nothing negative about FWD at all, but it doesn't mean RWD is bad either, and it's not my cup of tea so to speak. I have never been in an accident and I can always tell when the rear is about to lose grip.
I was thinking the same, I daily a completely gutted 2600lb volvo 240 with a welded diff through the northeastern winters in the US and have very little problems. Good tires make a bigger difference than any other factor.
For once in a generation subie boys and evo boys agree on something. AWD goons lol
Roger Rinkavage fax
Roger Rinkavage
MR is where it’s at.
And jeeple
Landy squad!
jacob levy fax.
FWD wins!
Everyone: What about AWD?
Me: What about no wheel drive?
What about 4x4
0:05 thank you for showing the interceptor
Both RWD & FWD are both amazing beast, it just depends on what you prefer.
I like RWD period but FWD are ok for places like where I live because of the snow ❄️ in winter
*RWD dominates a class*
I’m going to have to give it to the fwds because they have two really cool cars in the class 🙄
Thats honda for ya
@@buffkangaroodog no, customizability
Cameron Smith I like how mad you all are haha my god and it’s even funnier when awd still beats rwd
Cameron Smith and modability
Cameron Smith ueah it weighs like 200 pounds more but you want any usable power on the street awd is a must and your joking when you just said rwd beat awd In traction before haha 2 tires can’t beat 4 boy!
"Rear wheel is bad in snow"
Me : *laughs in tropical climate*
Laughs in texas heat
tropics rains a lot though
South texas it doesn't rain that much
@@davidgarza6738 South Texas is subtropical though, actual tropical places like brazil Indonesia and the middle of africa rain a lot
I mean mostly in my town it is humid but when it rains it pores
After working on my FWD tC, I feel like fixability should be 1 point less. I love fwd cars and rwd cars, as well as autos and manuals. I feel like it comes down to the general use case of the car, if you want fun track go rwd, if you want street go fwd. That being said, I'm hell bent on making my tC be able to go toe to toe with rwd in track performance with some wild suspension work.
Hey! Loved the vid. Got one suggestion tho: timestamps to the different sections. Why? Simple. Its done super fast and eases the interaction for viewers. Keep it up!
I'm not gonna lie, I don't actually care about how good fwd cars are, rwd will always be my pick just for the fun and adrenaline
Civic type r tho
@Luis Bolanos that's a weak excuse for having a crap car. No hate on you bro
@@jacobbrown8538 having fun is a weak excuse? Lol
he's never tried putting silver trays on the backwheels and pull the ebrake , clearly
I feel that. FWD cars can be fun but when it comes to being loose and shit RWD definitely wins
FWD: wins in the boring categories
RWD: wins in the fun categories
You see where I’m headed with this?
And AWD wins the extreme categories
Come to Europe and nobody drives a RWD car only FWD or AWD
@@blackdedem9478 Mercs and BMWs would like to differ.
Yet the boring categories are the one that matter the most to 90% of car owners huh.
AWD is the best by far. The fastest car on the Nürburgring is the Aventador SVJ. Also, some FWD cars aren’t boring. Imagine buying a 90k Porsche Cayman, only to be beaten on track by a civic with a big wang and less power. Think about what you say before you say it.
I live in Denver with a fwd accord v6. When it snows it’s fun to watch the rear wheel trucks/suvs fishtail while I have few issues.
Easy AWD is a great choice for those looking to maximize their traction and balance on the track. With the added stability and control provided by an AWD system, you can fine-tune your car to reach its peak performance potential. Once you've optimized your setup, you'll be able to dominate the competition and truly become a force to be reckoned with on the track. So if you're serious about racing, consider investing in an AWD setup for your vehicle.
awd is cool but it does make it easier and can make up for bad driving
I feel like this show is just meant to trigger people 😂
Drew Pope it F-ing worked.
Ya my Prius is the best!
Lmfaoo.
all they want are your clicks and ad revenue.
Ikr he totally left out trucks and SUV out of the competition 😑
I dont know, for some reason I feel like they were really trying to find any reason to give fwd the win...
Agreed I feel that too
Music Bass Channel no way fwd should be that close in customization, or tied in fix ability.
I don’t know if you’ve ever worked on a fwd V6 car, but even something simple like a spark plug change as a total pain in the ass, since usually it involves removing the intake manifold, and then contorting your arm in all sorts of unnatural ways just to get to the back row...
@@Beybladeawsomeness the rover 75 which was originally designed to be rwd but the slung a transverse v6 in at the last minute. Spark plugs are almost impossible and the timing beltS replacement are probably one of the worst jobs ever.
This was the dumbest shit I ever watched. The points were way off. RWD won lol
Some fwd cars are a lot of fun. I love my rwd car, but i had a lot of fun with the corners in my integra back in the day. I never found awd that interesting though, its good its just not that exciting.
basically ur buying a car, ur wallet says FWD, ur heart says RWD, your petrol head says AWD
10 minutes in dirt rally has taught me that FWD is better in every way
Lmao not in real world
@Nagato is better than Punk Naruto no, less weight = better grip. We are not taking about weight transfer
@Nagato is better than Punk Naruto that is because of the traction, different thing
I personally like rear wheel drive in dirt rally but sure , AWD wins in rally always
You forgot the most important part "fun" you can have so much more fun in a RWD!!!
Chris Hartley low key....
Only place a fwd car can’t have “fun” is on a burnout pad
@@blakeschmid sick powerslide dude!
That’s the main reason why I’ll never prefer FWD over RWD; I currently drive a FWD Mazda and it’s just not nearly as fun as the RWD cars I’ve driven
Chris Hartley ever heard of maccas trays?
Now I’m starting to think about a 6 wheeler (such as a g wagon ) having a middle wheel drive 😂
There is a company that makes a 6x4 Jeep but they don’t drive the rear axle. Doug demuro reviewed it
Right wheel drive where only the front and back right wheels work.
@@jonnydevlin7045 you mean 4x6
some trucks are like that
@@TheSuperBoyProject AWD cars already do this in turns. The outside wheels drive, so inside wheels are not limiting speed and traction.
Ive been obsessed with fwd since Shingo Shogi of the Myogi Night Kids. He can lose the attitude and the cancer sticks, but that FR Killer technique of left foot braking has been my driving style for over a year now.
Yeah, fwd wins!!! It make sense. My mechanic told me if I want the car to last with less maintenance then get a fwd. if you want to track it, rwd and AWD is better!
I would call a 1 point difference “within the margin of error” and “a statistical tie.”
How are you verified
Lol dude your channel description-- the fact that you gotta explain--
I disagree
How the hell are you verified?
@@Ren_184 look at his description
"Do you want your power from the front, or the back"
Most Subarus: porque no los dos?
Most Subarus: なぜ両方ではない？
😂
Most subarus: hĕãď ğä§kêt
logan production's 😂😂😂
@@skull_go_snap2596 ahahahahahahahahaha
Never realized front wheel drive was so common
Im 3 minutes in and I already know FWD is gonna win because the history of this series and the points this dudes making. “Unbiased” my ass
This guy is so biased he pissed me of I think Donut fire him and get Nolan and James
@@coolcatcartergaming1586 agreed
Is this the same guy who made the Bugatti Vs koenigsegg video?
"Do you want the power to the front? Or to the back?"
Me: why not both?
All wheel drive cars lose their power by the transmission.
@@terrybucklew6301 but can put their power to better use
@@terrybucklew6301 But gain it back in traction
@@_generation_youth_x28
It's only going good at standstill launch and off-road
How about neither
Next Episode:
*TURBOCHARGED VS SUPERCHARGED*
#spoolVSwhine
I suspect that this was partally explained in the B2B episode of the Twin turbo Dodge Demon.
@@arinb.756 Volvo XC90 does it. In fact all the new Volvo T6 trims have the Twin Charged 2.0L I4
ForgedCarbon twincharged only belongs in old rally cars.
@@arinb.756 fire gang like that one car on top gear
I am so absolutely curious on how you came up with your point system????
The RWD should lose points for “excuses when losing races” , “aghhh my back wheels spun out” blah blah
@Jordan Robshaw lmao
14:19 that's an old Fiat 500, and the engine was originally in the back with RWD. The newer 500 has the engine in the front with FWD
Wanted to write the same thing, at least there's sombody else who knows that. 👍🏻
So this way rwd wins. Gg
He really gave them a 4 in customization when he just said that the motor swaps on fwd cars were converted to Rwd...🤨 he scuffed this one bad.
You can turn a 350z into a Tesla
Donut: 🙉
not only that but he gave it a 4 "for representing some cool swaps" after he just went off on how bad they were in that category he did more then scuff this vid
@@_unknown.exe_4831 When he said they represent cool swaps, he was talking about the engines that come from the FWD cars. There's an insane amount of K-Swapped cars, because of the availability, how relatively easy they are to do, and the amount of boost they can take on stock internals. If you swap in a K24 with a K20 head, you can get to around 600whp on stock internals. Also Civics, there's a lot of engine swapped FWD Civics, that are still FWD, because they have a K or B-Series in them. A lot of people do convert Civics to AWD, but if you just look up on youtube "7 second fwd civic" you'll find a 2,000 HP, 7 second FWD civic, as well as many other very fast fwd Civics.
NaturalAthlete it’d be a 6 second car if it was rwd. I know it’d pick up some weight with a rwd swap, but 2,000 hp will get most any serious rwd drag car into the 6’s
To be fair, this was not the "coolest possible swaps" category, it was "customization". Generally speaking, *you can customize FWD car just as much as you can customize RWD one* with the aforementioned exception of being unable to put a huge RWD-designed engine in your FWD car without converting it to RWD. So it's totally fair that FWD gets 4 points vs RWD's 5.
My former driving school teacher used to have a RWD BMW with 180 horse power under the hood, and I used to drive that car in very snowy or icy situations (I got my licence in January, so I pretty much learned how to drive mostly during winter… in Switzerland). I never understood why people say RWD is dangerous in wet or any slippery conditions. I never found it to be any more difficult to deal with than FWD.
Probably because that car had asr and esp
All have there pros and cons, I love all of them, now driving a fwd stick shift fun asf but once go fast, fels like the front is lifting but still fun
I’m driving a Hellcat Charger as my daily, in Switzerland, where it often rains or snow... Meh, just be careful with the throttle and survive 🤷🏻♂️ If you can’t control your car then it doesn’t really belongs in your hands.
I fully agree with you man
exactly, just don't do floor it every ten seconds and you'll be fine
I agree with you, i have a rwd low power suzuki, due to its high center of gravity it slides a lot when it rains, but you just have to be careful, and nobody dies lol
I got Snow tires in Detroit Michigan which is stuck in the wintery hell that is the great lakes region.
Michael Höflich yup agree
awd is unnecessary
Once again : science garage
Shout-out to my man Bart
I'm going to choke bart
This is why he left 🤣
"Do you wanna see an LS Datsun?"
*me who's always wanted a 2jz swapped 280z* "WELL NOW I DO"
Barra 260z for me
As someone who owns a 06 grand prix gt with the supercharged v6 and knowing ZZP performance owns the 3800 series market for customizing, I mean not everyone wants to swap engines and even then the grand prix gxp did have a 5.3L V8 under the hood for a fwd car. It is easy to find people who tune gms 3800 series cars to make crazy hp and then you also have a lighter car as well. But I like oddball configurations that surprise people so that is just me, I can see future wise that people may start to go fwd...oh and another thing about that 06 Grand Prix I had friends in college with Camaros, trucks, and other configurations that always relied on me to take them places in 2 ft of snow. This is because RWD has no weight in the rear even on trucks, while most of your engine weight and vehicle weight on fwd is in the front giving better grip, Rwd just doesn't have that equal amount of weight, reason you hear people always tell you if you are gonna drive a truck in the snow weight down the bed of the truck to get better traction, even AWD are advertised as better but most power output from the engine is transferred to the rear wheels hence again they are not always the best.
4:40
FWD: 4 RWD: 2
"It looks like FWD has some catching up to do"
Charles Ramirez thought i was the only one to notice it lmao
Thank you I had to look way too long to find this
yeahitskimmel sameeeeee
Yes it’s wild production didn’t catch this
7:50 Same problem
I think the ability for rwd to oversteer when you peal out on wet roads is a big positive
Yeah but if youre not experienced, you will die.
@@kirabey8946 jokes on you I survived and the tires were under warranty so they were replaced for free... Yeah I don't mess with wet pavement as much anymore
@@Blowingmind good for you dude, be careful out there, life's not a movie/anime, there is no plot armor :D
@@kirabey8946 This feels like a myth to me. It should actually be way more easier to get a hold of an oversteer for an unexperienced driver than it is to get out of an understeer. With over steer everyone's natural reaction is to turn the wheel the opposite way of the oversteer. Whenever a car points to either side too much a driver will always try to straighten it, it makes no sense to assume that inexperienced drivers would for some reason decide to keep steering in the direction of oversteer or just keep steering straight. Of course you can over do it and end up in the opposite ditch at high speeds but I feel that it extends your time on the road regardless if you mess it up or not and thats valuable time which can be used to slow down.
Understeer however is the one that takes some knowledge. If you start sliding into the side or oncoming lane and your steering inputs do nothing, then well what do you do? There is no initial split second reaction/reflex that takes over and tries to straighten out the car as it is with the natural instinct to steer in the opposite direction of a ditch when oversteering.
Irregardless, on a frozen over road none amount of drivers skill will help for either FWD or RWD once the car loses traction unless you have studs. Same if you drive on wet road with tyres that have almost no thread left.
I actually oversteered on wet pavement recently in my Fwd eclipse. I've only been driving a year, and I made it out with my mechanical arms damaged but no collision. I drifted like you said, side to side and landed in a ditch. Any tips on what to do in that situation with fwd? I know life isn't a movie, but let's be real this isn't going to stop me and I'd rather be informed so I can do better than die a failure.
Speaking of any engine in any car, a few years ago there was VW Lupo with an Audi R8 v8 in its boot (or trunk for the transatlantic amongst us)..
Nothing can match a Honda Civic Type R 2018 or 2023.
Those beasts are simply the best in overall score, including price, performance, look and grip.
I drove the FK-8 a friend of mine have, its just INCREDIBLE FEEL OF POWER, Yaris couldn't even get near that feeling of power, I would take the Honda any day.
The true winner? AWD w/ RWD bias and a "drift mode" or RWD mode that can defeat the front traction.
I know there's a couple of those out there.
Literally focus RS, AWD with drift mode that sends majority of power to rear
That’s gay. Imagine having a front diff lmao
Hell yeah, but they are rare or expensive 😔 r32 GTR (not sure) M8, M5, etc...
There are some valid points that he made, but that doesn't excuse the fact that you just said FWD > RWD
So if you drive backwards its basically the same thing.
@@trikelyfe6090 it would be like driving a car with monster truck steering if you do that xd
@@Killad_1 lol
Why are you butthurt? That's the truth, fwd is better, get over it.
rwd is better for car people. but actual car people is the minority here. For your average person fwd is "better" because it gets the job done for them.
My uncle has an old Jeep that's 3 wheel drive
I had no idea Formula D existed before this video. Thank you so much, I have a sport I actually enjoy now!
It exists by more than 15 years
I'm almost convinced this video is a meme. It has to be. Where's the mention of torque steer?
Torque steer is for poor people who cant afford newer cars.
Torque steer. Hmmm, haven't heard that name since the mid-2000s. Kinda fun trying to hold onto a homicidal maniac 2008 Mazdaspeed 3 with the boost turned way up. Haven't done that in a long time though, kinda miss it.
Too bad. My Civic EP3 has enough mods to get rid of torque steer. People should try a nicely setup FWD car. It changes a lot of opinions. My best friend liked everything I did with my Civic except the steering rack; which he felt was too awkward for his tastes. It's a manual rack, so it requires more turns of the wheel for the same effect. The ideal front end bite point, where the tires are working at max, is 160° 🤣
@@AndrewGeierMelons currently saving up for a clean ep3 here in the UK which is rare sadly, and with the killer insurance prices that we get it's quite hard for a young person (I'm 19 in 2 months) but I cant wait to get one Ive driven a track spec one that a friend of mine has and it was an amazing car I've been in a stock ep3 too hopefully I can buy one in the upcoming months.
that's the moment I was looking for
@@AndrewGeierMelons eyyyyy I currently drive an 08 speed3, the torque steer in my opinion is actually kinda fun haha
The FWD bias in the scoring hurt. Should’ve been RWD by at least two based on his analysis
Agreed. Definitely a bias in this video. And this coming from a non car guy with no preference
Cameron Smith But he was very biased in how he talked about them. Fwd cars are a pain in the ass to turbo cause there’s not much room for the turbos and when you engine swap them 99% of the time they’re gonna end up rwd so thats points to rwd. Then when he talks about the civic type r he talks about one of the more expensive rwd cars around that price point when you can get a good condition c6 corvette zo6 for 10k cheaper than the civic and run 10secs faster around the nurburgring or a used radical sr8 for 55k which is literally a minute faster than the civic type r. Good luck finding a used civic type r for under 30k unless its got a salvage title.
@@buffkangaroodog the only issue I have with that comparison in the video is that he used its MSRP which everyone knows is impossible to buy one for. Honda comically underpriced it, the same way Chevrolet did the c8 which is very misleading. If he wasn't biased he would've used a more accurate price for the car or a different car entirely.
yeap. Probably the first donut media video I've ever felt the need to thumbs down
@@buffkangaroodog I'm not holding it against either, but saying "you could get one for that price" is untrue. The fact that he works for a car centered channel means he should be well aware that msrp is not a good metric to use for that car. Just trying to call out this guy's blatant bias.
It depends on the type of the car. Supercars with many horse power have RWD. Also trucks and professional vehicles have RWD. The reasons are simple. The stability up to the hills is an advantage for RWD. Also the stability at the turns are safer than FWD. An simple example is the the supermarket basket trolley. You press the force from rear and you travel the trolley with stability. Otherwise if the force was opposite (FWD) the trolley will not be full controlled in the turns and the traction can not be handled.
fantastic topic and well covered
Trackability was off - RWD should've been 1 pt more gap, making overall a TIE!
@@buffkangaroodog that's just simply not true, RWD is completely dominant in racing (excluding mixed surface). There are very few legit racing teams that use FWD for a reason. You have better turn in and the oversteer is mitigated by the aero and driver's throttle control.
I'm not an RWD fanboy or anything, I drive a fwd beater and want an awd car ideally but in the context on trackability there is no contest.
Cameron Smith the problem is that most of the fwd road cars are just not up to par to rwd road cars in terms of track performance. The fastest fwd around the ring is around 7:40, while rwds are pushing past the 6:50 mark, with cars like the mclaren senna expected to be even faster. History also proved that rwd can still win in low grip conditions, with lancia beating the awd quattro, Rwds are just statistically way better than fwd in terms of track performance and potential, which is why most top racing series, be it drag racing or f1, still uses rwd
@@buffkangaroodog The category was for trackability not price!
Prius Master Race 😎
@@buffkangaroodog yeah thats why the civic was a bad example for the video as most rwd car are on the upper end of cost. This video is about rwd vs awd and the question was trackability, therefore he should've been comparing more equal cars. Instead he fixated on a civic which have a really good price/performance but what does that say about the average car?
Fwd is a pain in the ass to wrench tho. And rwd is so much more fun to drive imo.
Rwd is super fun, especially an LS swapped A86 Corolla.
Especially if it’s a V6 FWD...
...normally I do spark plugs on every car I get, not on either of those that I had...
...of course now I have a Miata, and the most open engine bay ever...
SPEED EZ you never seen an old bmw 5 or 7 series with the smallest engine lol
4 banger fwd cars are so easy to work on though, at least the 90s hondas were lol
I drive a 97 civic and work on it myself. Dropped my buddys miatas rear diff and was like, "this is easy af" 😂
This was a great video 🔥
I have owned a RWD truck. And to be honest that thing was hopeless on snow. I literally was spinning the rear tires at less than an inch of snow. I ended up getting something with 4wd. Because 98% of the time I don't need 4 wheel drive. But if I need to go off road or on snow, I'll always have that option.
Trying to convince me that his Yaris is cool
It does that on its own! #⬇️
Bruh
Rey Gunner ayo what you got on the yari? Tell me rn I don’t got one but the yari man how could you smh!
Y’all seen a Yaris gr?
Are you trying to say it isn’t?
Seems pretty simple to me.
RWD for motorsports and enthusiasts
FWD for economy/budget enthusiasts
AWD for power delivery and low grip situations like rallying
Idk why it has to be a contest
What about a Mazda mps that’s FWD
@@noahc4685 That was a test to see how far they could push FWD if I remember right
Yeah but it's fun to listen/talk about it 😬. I mean talking about anything related to engines and vehicles in general is fun but this is fun.
Jeez have you driven in winter
@@noahc4685 What about it?
I'm thinking whether mx5 or mx6, which is better because 2.5 v6 but fwd or good old style 1.8 but rwd
In these days where traction and stability control are standard on all vehicles, the minor traction advantages of FWD in inclimate conditions is a non issue.
AWD for me
If i wanted to choose between RWD and FWD. I would prefer RWD as they are way more fun then FWD
Than.
Haider Ali
The true answer is in the video: MR2
Exactly.
if only it were that easy. if you demand AWD, you kinda limit your options, especially when you have a budget to work in
I'd go RWD over AWD simply because it's more fun and not as heavy and expensive.
FWD for small power cars, RWD for more powerful cars
Civic Calzone I have a AWD, it’s a Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT 8 WK2. It’s Fun as hell, with a few modes, it’s damn near 500HP and it’s from 2012. I bet it’s more powerful than some of your RWD cars. Also the Trackhawk I know would kick ass.
@@Seb318 do you post this comment everywhere? You must be very proud of your overpriced jeep 🤦♂️
GSXR Z06 clearly you have never driven a 330bhp Megane R26 or a UP GTI stage-2.
Erebos 6 bout the same as a Scat and I got it for 15k. All packages, well kept car. 150k miles.
@@Seb318 and it will get spanked by a Tesla
Coming from someone who has had both (veloster n, focus st) (2017 Camaro ss) go with rwd.
about engine swaps. all those rwd that he mentions got an engine that also belong on a rwd, but those fwd also got a rwd engine. rayabuza->rwd, LS->rwd, lambo v12->rwd or awd... what i mean is: there's a lot of different models of fwd engines that you can swap from fwd to fwd (and it will still be a fwd). maybe it's not that interesting or none of this would be cool, but you still can do great mods and upgrades with it.