Snakes on the Ground: The Continuing Education of Shoshone
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- čas přidán 23. 01. 2020
- In this video, Pat addresses a big hole in his project horse, Shoshone. He's afraid of movement on the ground. This makes it unwise to rope cattle on him until this is taken care of. You can see some big changes in this horse from the time we got him until the end of this video. We hope you'll follow his progress for the next year. For more information, visit our website www.thedisciplinedride.com . Please take a minute to Subscribe to our channel, hit the Like button, and the Notification bell so you don't miss out on the latest. Thank you for watching!
Man, I love this gentleman's philosophy. Actually, it's not philosophy, it's wisdom. Wisdom earned through years of experience. Yes, he's old. Don't discount his knowledge. Oftentimes, tens of years are required to thoroughly understand. This man understands. I would trust him working with any of my horses.
Favorite LOL line in this video: "if your horse ever runs off in the round pen, just understand, he'll be right back". I was laughing so hard I had to pause it so I could recover and listen again.
"A man that don't love a horse, there is something a matter with him"... Will Rogers
Daniel Fields you sure Winston Churchill didn’t say that?
I love your stories.
ralph crosby Churchill may have said as well, I know Will Rogers is accredited to this quote... I'm not sure of Churchill's equine background or if he could get on a horse, either way I like the idea that it came from Will Rogers, it fits better...
Daniel Fields I am a Will Rogers fan as well.
You had me in stitches with your dry wit. Thanks for the laugh. I needed it.
Im Chris Norton Im a cowboy from Mississippi, and I'm 16 years old. I would really like to come u there one of these days and get to work in some of y'alls country to see what its like, and y'alls videos have really helped me out with learning how to dealing with different horse, so thank you and keep making em I'll talk with you later.
i like the way that Pat go off in to story time when working with the horse,this is just like Tom and Bill Dorrance would do,looking from the out side in,i see that they r not making it about the horse and the story they tell is some think to do with the big picture.keep the uploads coming and thank you Pat for making me see the bigger picture..go about it like you have 5 minutes and it will take all day,go about like you have all day and it will take you 5 minutes ! Thanks Jay from surrey UK
This man is the real deal. If you can't understand what he's doing, you're going to have a problem. I haven't been to his website but whatever knowledge he's selling, I recommend you buy it.
Because of the Humbolt Current? Thanks for recommending the book. I have a newfound appreciation for the life of a sailor. Those captians could be brutal.
I read Two Years Before the Mast by Dana about 5 years ago. Excellent history lesson on what California was like around1840
This man loves this horse!
Thank you, this will be a great this to do with my moms future handicap horse. He's come a long way, but still has some problems with things on the ground, and even the sound of the wind blowing in the grain field.
It took me 3 weeks( off and on) to get my mustang to be comfortable with the lariat . We are still practicing as much as we can together so i can eventually attend a branding with him. I aquired him at age 10 untamed .Hes 16 now but was always troubled with the lariat . All other ropes he was fine with. I didnt feel at the time i trained him i would be interested in wanting to try a little ranchin but boy howdy do i want to now.
Thank you for taking the time to explain everything and why.
Kingman , AZ
Nice chunky little horse. He'll be great. Like a tank.
Fantastic! "We have a lot to do in the next ten years" I love it!
Thanks for the vid!
From South Carolina
Just hanging out with the horse is pretty underrated.
Sometimes after work in the summer I sit out in the pasture in a camping chair and read with mine. They seem to like the company. I get my reading done and they mostly nap and swat flies.
Jeff Dunn Agree
Jeff Dunn agree
Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍
This session was so good! Thank you !
Beautiful demonstration!
Knowing when to stop...take the time it takes so it takes less time....see it from the horses point of view knowing where you want him to be and knowing how you can get there and keep the horses dignity and build that confidence....great stuff
Great watching yountwo having a conversation.
Another great demonstration of your knowledge and patience thanks a lot!
I grew up on a cattle farm (first mostly quarter horses when I was younger and my mother and two sisters showed horses until my aunt got hurt and they sold out)my granddaddy didn’t have any sons just the 3 daughters & after sometime bought back into cattle, mostly angus and we cut and baled hay for the public as well- I ABSOLUTELY loved it I was the only grandson at the time that had anything to do with the farm and loved it- after high school I joined the army wanted to come back invest in the farm and for graduation my papa gave me a a trailer and about 12 registered heifers and when I got home from basic and AIT but I came home and my mother and aunts said it wasn’t fair etc to them AND SOLD EVERYTHING (grandad didn’t know at the time either) To them it was about the $ to me it was sentimental and didn’t give a dern about the money ( I always thought the farm would stay in the family after everything ).. I didn’t speak to the family for a while (except my papa of course and still farmed but a lot smaller and part time) BUT about 2-3 years ago, heading back to the farm from my house, on my birthday, were hit and killed by a drunk driver 4 miles from the house 😔my grandmother killed instantly~papa was flown to MUSC and died later~my mother and the sisters ended up selling everything the farm the equipment the cattle the brand new home they built the whole nine! I was sick to my stomach about it and I finally got saved truly born again a while back and found some forgiveness let go of the resentment (I felt as if his work was all for nothing but I understand their empathy as well or I try to anyway…) but they were the best livestock’s handlers I ever met and were true Christians same on Saturday night as Sunday am-highly respected in the community-i gave my life to the Lord afterwards and my love for the farm and the lifestyle runs deep and miss it everyday..🙏. I pray one day I’ll be able to buy back at least 10-20 acres down the road and have something to give to my boy!..thank y’all for sharing the tips and wisdom and to me it’s a reminder of Gods gift to us and such a precious way of life that should be cherished but Respected, and I see that in yalls videos that I JUST found about a week ago haha but it sure helps me unwind after a tough day ( by Gods Grace I pray this economy will turn around eventually be blessed and able to get ANY QUALITY of a trail horse to work with ) But God bless y’all and thank you from South Carolina and never take a day for granted around livestock and loved ones. 👍🙏🇺🇸
Thank you Rance. I hope your dream comes true.
Enjoyed the video Pat Keep up the good work!
QUITMAN, Arkansas
Another great video, thanks so much for letting us have a peek at this. Every video shows your patience and respect for the animal you are working with, and just how much farther you get with that.
Thanks for the video and the assigned reading.
Northeast Alabama
I read that book. It was fascinating.
Thanks for another great lesson. By the way I received your snaffle bit. What an excellent tool!
It is very good your work with a horse, when he needs a job from the ground and prepares to move on! Thank you very much for your great video and learning.
You are willing to take the time it takes, to build the confidence, trust, skill set of the horse - I need to slow down more yet - thank you! Love your comments!
Dear Pat...I usually address my notes to Deb however I thought you might get a kick out of this. I was watching this video and as you described the book I became so interested in it I had to put you on pause, open a new tab and go to amazon to purchase it! Never heard of it before and can't wait to read it. Your passion for Calfornia history is infectious! I have seen videos of coastguard going around that Cape and can't imagine how they did it then. Again, thank you because I always get a few more things to work on with my crew!
One of my horses bolted when sagebrush snapped him on the belly, so I always do some work under the belly. Great info. Thanks Pat.
Excellent book recommendation! "2 years before the mast" and as always Horse training video
I just LOVE your channel!! I happened to stumble on it cause I follow a few horsemen on You Tube and one of your's popped up on my feed. I. Am. Hooked!! Love this boy you saved! He looks like he has Clydesdale in him. I have a 20 year old 16'2 Tennessee Walker that is about as big as this guy. I have had him almost 8 yrs. and he was absolutely terrified of EVERYTHING! Lunge whips just about sent him into orbit so I have done hours of ground work with him and he is almost a different horse now. He rides like a dream but I sure wish I'd have found this particular video when I got him cause he would jump out of his skin at water hoses, ropes or anything else just like this boy. I have gotten him used to throwing ropes and rubbing whips all over his body, slapping the ground by him, dragging a long rope with no reaction anymore. BUT he is still terrified of moving tractors and equipment. When I first got him, I just lead him by my truck and he freaked out so I knew I had some work to fix his holes. Now I can walk him by cars and trucks but he's still is looky. He trusts me enough to not freak out anymore. I had an idea to get someone to drive slow in front of us under saddle, stop till he sniffs, go forward slowly again, like he was moving the vehicle. Do you think this might help him? I'm 65 and too old to get dumped! Thanks!
I wish I had known about Pat s Training methods a few years ago it would have saved me a lot of Pain!
More validation that I'm on the right path. Thank you
Being able to see the subtle response is an art. So many aren’t looking for it . I can see it here in Raymond, Ca. Thanks!
That’s Pat’s home country. He spent part of his childhood in Coarsegold.
Well done, very good progress in this session , hope to see further results in the future . I have a friend who has a nice ranch horse. Last April we were bringing up cattle and his horse blew up , causing some real injuries to my friend . He said that they came up to a bush and she reared and bucked. He is convinced that she saw a snake . Can this tracing session address the snake issue ? After any horse has been frightened by a snake . We are in Arizona , like your country we have a lot of snakes . My friend operates a Dude string on three properties and uses his horse and others addressing the needs of the operations . I don’t want to see him get hurt again. I have worked horses of all breeds and personalities for over 45/years mostly back in the Mid West I have also notice that several of the desert horses ,that I have been exposed to are reactionary to tall grass around their legs where MidWest horses don’t react the same .
Thank for your expert advice. I like your slow deliberate approach to training. I’m 72 years old now and still believe I can work with horses on my terms . You have a good day and a better tomorrow. Poppa Jones
We’ve had horses that are afraid of snakes and others that will walk right over them. Spooking is one thing but bucking is an indicator that something else is wrong. I would suggest you work on the ground like I’m doing with Shoshone. For a more detailed explanation of everything that needs to be done with the flag and the tarp, you can buy our video called “Making a Gentle Horse: Introducing the Tarp and Flag” in our online store www.thedisciplinedride.com/store. Good luck and be careful. Our bones don’t bend as much as they once did!
Hoping Pat comes to Utah!
Good stuff
I love this. It is fun.
Now that horse is pretty well balanced to he a goid ride
Sheesh pat the colt I had in Agua Dulce is bothered by things on the ground. This has been an issue over the last year. Odd to me when he was 3 I was able to tie off and tag calves 🤷♂️ so I am reviewing this and will go back to the beginning.
Anyone wanting a copy of two years before the mast is welcome to mine.
I can only imagine the reason Baxter Black used for the fly rod.
This is a great way to work a project horse.
My buddy Michael Rhodes has The Flat Hat Trading Co. here in Raymond, Ca. Working from his ranch and having sale booths at cowboy music festivals and horsemanship clinics held by the Californios.
Sheesh! We know Michael. I guess we just hadn’t heard his last name in a long time. Give him our best!
I like the way you do things. I guess it’s because I have the same basic philosophy as you. I’m not saying I’m as good as you . Thanks for what you do. I also like the roping lessons. I usually stick to a basic loop at a branding ‘cause I hate to miss. What is the Pole’s purpose that is on the side of your trailer?
It’s the center pole for our fly.
Yes maybe he has a little Clydesdale in him. His name should be Bud Is Weiser
Cute
👍, as always
I really appreciate your videos. I am using them to train my wife to deal with her horse. The horse is a little flighty but not as nervous as my wife. I can ride the horse and my confidence makes her calm, my wife gets on and they both get twitchy. Your video on fear was very helpful. Thanks. We are in Central Oregon.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
By buddy Michael Rhodes told me you had history here in this area.
Remind me who Michael Rhodes is?
Yep. I got a stampede. Guess i gotta go back. Hoping for some help.
Humboldt current?
I need to know, why the rail on the side of the trailer? Stop from chewing on trailer? Blaine from Alberta. Also, I like how this horse travels, in your Wash/Dam video.
That’s the way we carry the center pole of our fly.
I like to offer my horses new things to sniff and then I pop a treat in when they touch or sniff it. You can literally see them light up. Since they are already target trained it gets easier and easier to introduce new things.
We don’t ever feed our horses treats. We want them to understand the job and not always be expecting a reward other than release. It’s just not a practical method of training for a ranch horse.
How to desensitize to loud noises? Trucks, back fires etc?
We address loud noises indirectly by hauling our horses many miles. They get exposed to every kind of noise imaginable and get used to it over time. We also use a flag that makes noise rather than the flags that are nothing more than a piece of soft fabric.
Saved from an auction?/ feed lot?
Pat rode him when he was teaching a clinic at a 130,000 head feedlot in Arizona. He noticed what a nice horse he was and knew he had huge potential so he bought him.
Funny!
What do you charge to train sir ?
Pat no longer takes outside horses. He’s switched gears and is beginning to work with people who want to learn how to start horses for themselves. Students can come out and spend 3-4 days to get a colt started. They leave with homework and return when they’re either ready for the next step or they’ve hit a wall and need to get past it. The woman riding the black horse in the spade bit is an example of this process. I believe it took 4 years... czcams.com/video/pocCbvtH1oM/video.html
So how do you make bucking the second choice?
It’s about making sure you always give the horse a place to go. Many people don’t release the reins but keep kicking. The horse says “ OK, you’re telling me to go forward at the same time you’re telling me to stop. I guess that means go UP.” Also don’t ask for more than you want. It’s like squeezing a tube of toothpaste. You can’t put it back in. So being a fair and consistent leader, not giving mixed messages, AND having a horse that is suited to your riding level and the actual time you can commit to riding, is key to keeping the buck IN.
@@PatnDebPuckett I had a half Arab/ QH mare...she would freaking buck ( head down, 4 legs up, than up comes the butt!)...loose reins, no real pressure ( I think she may have been a " failed bucking bronc) ended up using a running Martindale with good results. She was down right dangerous...found out the guy we bought her from was not a straight shooter...poor histories on his horses...we did have registration papers..she was out of the Honey bee line.( Arabian)
How old is Shoshone?
He’s now 17. He was 15 when this video was made.
Mr Puckett have you ever read (These Were the vaqueros)by Arnold Rojas?
Yes.
I hope I'm riding when I'm your age
Letting the lead rope on the halter and dropping the end to the ground does not work on my horse.
Hello from Maine. With a low of -12F this week, envy you training in a shirt only. Welcome your posts. I will bite also on what is the pole on the stock trailer for?
It’s the center pole for the fly. Which is a rectangular canvas for shade.
This is the fun part ,of course I have no life. Hilarious.
Manage a problem with better choices
Dang Pat
You got a release loop in your belt and slack hangin over your elbow swinging a flag tryin to get release from a warm blood cross
Be safe amigo
He’s not a warmblood cross. He’s a half draft out of Mexico.
Pat & Deb Puckett
Cold blood cross ?
Never knew them to ranch well but if anybody can do it Pat can
Keep,up the good work
They’re pretty common on many ranches from Hawaii to Montana. The lightest bridle horse Pat has ever made was a Clydesdale/Thoroughbred out of Canada.
@@PatnDebPuckett I've always wondered what designation a quarter horses is...the breed was definitely crossed with " hot" Arabians...modern quarter horses seem to have more TB than QH! it's getting darn confusing.
Who ever is operating the freakin sucks! Holy crap your making me dizzy