Most Egregious Errors in TV and Movies
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The worst example of hacking that I've ever seen was in an episode of NCIS where Abby and Mcgee are trying to counter hack a hacker by both of them using the same keyboard.
Sure that's the same show that thought planes could be controlled from the ground.
During that sequence my wife yelled "Shut up, I like this show." That and Bones were the worst shows for accuracy with computers. Sure someone can inscribe a virus on a bone that makes the computer blow up. Sure.
That is always the top example in my mind of "drama-hacking"
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Conversely, the best anti-hacking I have ever seen was in an episode of the show The Sentinel (1996-1999, starring Richard Burgi) where the "brainy" character was trying to stop a murder victim's computer from being remotely erased by a remote user - hammering away at the keys, shouting and sweating, and the main character unplugged the ethernet cable and just stared at the "brainy" character.
And then Gibbs just unplugged it lol.
@@danelisslow3269 he also shot one at one point. ROFL.
Underrated heist movie? Inside Man with Denzel Washington, Clive Owen and Jodie Foster. You just don’t realize that it is a heist movie for most of it.
I was going to suggest it too.
It starts off with a bank robbery. :)
"We've got him right where we want him."
"Where's that?"
"Right behind us with our pants down around our ankles."
@@dave2132 So does Dog Day Afternoon! That’s definitely not a heist movie.
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One of my favorite bad hacking scenes is in NCIS, where Abby is trying to hack something and she's failing so McGee helps by typing on one half of the keyboard and together they succeed. It's just such a level of absurd I have to wonder if they were intentionally making it absurd.
There is no way they didn't know that was absurd when they made it, but there is also no way lots of people watched that and were like "Yep, that's how hacking works"
They don't succeed, but their boss stops the hacker by unplugging the monitor.
This means that you actually watched NCIS. Being morally superior, I did *not* watch NCIS. (My ex-wife loved it, though.)
"two idiots one keyboard"
My favorite heist movie is probably still Sneakers, the 90s star-studded Robert Redford movie about hacking which takes a much more grounded and down-to-earth approach to the subject. Instead of trying to hack into a system through the internet, they do a heist to steal the physical object, then spend some time in their hideout picking it apart, plugging it into their own computers, etc. There's some fantastic scenes of the main characters getting into arguments with security guards in order to slip something under the radar, for example.
It's an early '90s movie and the tech reflects it, but social engineering never goes out of style! I still love that movie dearly.
Sneakers was such a fun movie.
Great soundtrack!
@@asharmstrong6730 It REALLY is. James Horner + Branford Marsalis: *chef's kiss*
Climbing through ductwork is such a laughably absurd idea to anyone that has even seen actual ductwork, let alone installed it.
"Hark! Thor, God of Thunder, is trying to break into my building!"
id also say the fact the building cannot be taken off power without dropping the entire grid segment. I cannot see any building even in the 80s passing a safety inspection before getting its occupancy cert that cannot have its power shut off locally just for fire fighting safety.
Alas I do still enjoy Die Hard of course, It was a basically perfect executed action film.
Jamie with the magnets in Mythbusters. One of the funniest moments.
I gotta wonder how that trope got started, though.
@@filanfyretracker the building would have circuit breakers that could be flipped for different circuits surely. But maybe they’d be inside the building where authorities couldn’t get access
I nominate Star Trek IV: The Journey Home as a great heist movie 😂. Any old shlub can go after a giant diamond or w/e, but the real prize was always the whales we saved along the way!
Plus they have to infiltrate a nuclear wessel.
The only thing that chaps my hide from that film is that the cetacean institute is not real...😫
@@EM-pt7ch Try watching it with your military father and having him point out that the carrier was NOT in fact the Enterprise. :)
@@EM-pt7ch Yeah, but you can go to the Monterey Bay Aquarium and see where those scenes were filmed.
Time traveling whales in transparent aluminum is fine, but with Star Trek IV, you've got to talk about the elephant in the room: Kirk, Spock, Bones, Sulu, Montgomery, Pavel, and Uhuru show up in San Francisco in 1986 AND NOBODY RECOGNIZES THEM.
I love how Sam Rockwell is always "the other guy", no matter what. The moment someone says: "the other guy", I know its him.
Also, I was expecting NCIS McGee/Abby hacking skills in the comments... Its awesome how we are all on the same page about that one!
I don't know if they qualify as "ordinary" heist movies, but Heat by Michael Mann and Snatch by Guy Ritchie are both pretty friggan amazing for entirely different reasons.
Yes to both of those!
Heat is such a good movie! It manages to take 2 demential characters, and add layers and layers of depth without betraying them.
As long as you're on shaky ground with "Snatch"... You might as well give an honorable nod to "Lock, Stock, and Two Smokin' Barrels"... Maybe it's not a heist movie exactly... BUT it's definitely a devious variation of the spirit... much the same spirit as "Snatch"... ;o)
Snatch is great, I just showed that to my girlfriend a couple days ago, she loved it
@@tonysnark1530 Yup... I love movies that I have to watch at least twice to really grasp everything that's going on... ;o)
I'm so glad to hear someone say that not every good book needs to be adapted into a movie
i for one both cant wait and cant stand that Three Body is being turned into a movie. the culture background and the physics background of the books are daunting for me to even begin to imagine being converted into a TV series let alone a 3hrs movie. but ill be the first one to buy the ticket when the movie comes out, no matter how bad/good the review is gonna be.
They are very different media, and not every filmmaker (director/screenwriter/whatever) understands how to translate the ideas of a novel onto the screen. Some books only work because of the narration, especially books with an unreliable narrator, and the mere on-screen portrayal of the story can give more credence than the author intended. As such, I have yet to see an accurate version of, say, Lolita. He's been portrayed as self-deluded, that he doesn't see that his actions have harmed Lolita, but none of the adaptations question the events themselves. Nearly the entire novel of Lolita is comprised of what is referred to by a fictional publisher/editor as "Lolita, or the Confessions of a White Widowed Male," a memoir written by Humbert and only to be published after his and Lolita's death. Even within the publisher's introduction, the words "real" and "true" are in quotations (specifically, "real" people and "true" story). All that we know to be true in the world of Lolita is that Humbert wrote a memoir, died, and a person named Lolita has also died, at which point the memoir was published (unlike Pale Fire, we are not given evidence to distrust the publisher/editor, at least not that I see). It's possible that nothing Humbert says is true at all--it could all be a delusion invented about the daughter of his landlord and he may have never so much as touched her. That said, I doubt that Nabokov wanted us to completely distrust every word of Humbert's tale--Nabokov was very much into making his readers sift through his stories to divine the truth, and for everything to be a lie would be uninteresting.
@@andersenzheng Now I'm going to have to check out Three Body, thanks!
I agree with Adam here, I never look forward to a movie adaption, I'm always just hoping its not terrible. It's like when Dune came out and everyone was raving about it, but I really couldn't care less about it because I knew it just wouldn't live up to the books.
Not that I dislike the Lord of the Rings films to a great degree but my enjoyment of them was diminished when I started to immerse myself in the books and became aware of the amazing content that was lost or changed. I’m like “hey! Merry isn’t supposed to be there when Barad-dur falls!”
My favorite all time heist movie is without a doubt, Kelly's Heroes! It's an absolute tour deforce of an amazing ensemble cast, a well written story, stellar cinematography and a jazzy almost Spaghetti western score. This film abounds with the greatest actors of the day, from Clint Eastwood, Telly Savalas, Donald Sutherland, and Don Rickles to Carroll O'Connor and Gavin Macleod. No single actor out shone another in this movie. In todays special effect heavy story telling, this movie relies on a conscise, character driven narrative. Well worth a fresh viewing!
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That's my other dog imitation."
@@HappyCynic "Up yours, Baby!"
- Kilroy
I love this movie. My favourite moment in it is when Kelly (Clint Eastwood) explains to the Tiger tank commander (Karl Otto Alberty) exactly what he's guarding. The look on the Commander's face is priceless.
Furthermore, although it seems absurd, the movie is based on actual events, where a large amount of gold bullion 'vanished' towards the end of the war.
@@brianartillery The most commonly quoted line from this movie amongst my friends and I is "Aways with the negative waves! Why can't you say something righteous?"
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A neat reference, the scene where they trap the German tanks in the tight streets so that the turrets cannot traverse shows up as "research films" in the anime Girls und Panzer.
In a similar vein I'd put Three Kings on the list.
The Great Train Robbery (1963) has to be one of the best heist films.
Set in 1855, made in 1963, Starring Shaun Connery. It has amazing props, sets, costumes and film making chops. Its also jovially funny and clever.
1855 ?? lol
@@harryflashman9495 It's Sean not Shaun and the film was made in 1978. The actual robbery of that name was in 1963.
@@harryflashman9495 I know, I used Google...
If we're talking train heists, it's got to be The Wild Bunch.
Best heist movie of all time: "Rififi". Not only does it have likely the greatest and most famous heist sequence ever put to film, but it also shows that what happens after the heist is just as important as what happens during the heist itself.
My #1 personal pet peeve in TV & Film is when they use the sound of cocking a gun to emphasize a threat, or readiness, or whatever, and the gun in question is either already cocked, or more often is of a design that doesn't have a hammer and cannot be cocked. "TWITCH, TWITCH"!
And the variant example of pumping a pump shotgun more than once before any action with it has started...
Also the rattling sound of a gun being handled.
@@bg45420 Absolutely! That's a bad one. Any decent gun is a precision piece of equipment. It doesn't have loose parts and it doesn't rattle.
@@danmoyer4650 but SA80's rattle....
...oh. Yeah.
@@danmoyer4650 lol. wrong
SNEAKERS! Sidney Poitier, Robert Redford, Ben Kingsley. Absolutely great heist film.
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No more secrets...
Came here to recommend this. Gremlinclr, I see you are a creature of refined tastes.
@@ElijahAtchley too many secrets, Marty…
Whistler: "let me see something" 😏
I agree on the blade runner question for sure. For me the travel scene without dialog is so much better because you get to hear the swell of the beautiful Vangelis sound track. It’s one of my favorite musical moments in a movie.
Two others are the lighting of the beacons in Return of the King, and the “Bishop reappears with the drop ship just in time” moment from Aliens.
WOW! Props to you, Adam for mentioning Thief! What was the topper in that movie was the sound track. Tangerine Dream. You would be amazed at the sound tracks this band has done! Sorcerer, Risky Business, The Keep just to name a few. The cast was a weird collection, Caan, Jim Belushi, Tuesday Weld...
Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson! I have bought a half dozen or so copies of that book because I lend it to a friend and then never get it returned because they in turn passed it on.
Phillip K. Dick's novellas have inspired an amazing number of Movies. Blade Runner (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep), Minority Report, Total Recall, Paycheck, A Scanner Darkly and The Adjustment Bureau and for TV, The Man In The High Castle, Minority Report, PKD's Electric Dreams to name a few.
For a great heist movie I love the 2003 remake of The Italian Job. Statham and Cheron! A little over the top and maybe a little glib an the hacking but the pace and dialogue are exciting and full of Humor.
As to a book I would like to see as a movie or TV series? The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester. This book is as seminal to making me a die hard SciFi fan as anything ever written. Maybe with the success The Expanse has has commercially, someone will give Stars another try.
The Sting. I remember catching The Sting late night on TV, completely out of the blue, and it hooked me in so hard.* Really smart, has no doubt influenced a lot of films afterwards, excellent and charismatic cast, and its also just plain a lot of fun. It really does hold up even today. Fantastic film.
*Similar thing happened with Shawshank Redemption, caught it on TV, blown away by it, and only later realize its long been considered one of the greatest films made.
I can't believe that Adam didn't at least give The Sting a shout-out. There's just so much to love about it. But I'm a sucker for older movies like that anyway. The original Italian Job would also have been high on my list.
The Sting isn't really a heist movie tho: like Ocean's 11 (original or remake), it's a con job. That being said it's still one of my top 10 movies :)
And the music is great, too!
Absolutely one of the greatest movies ever.
The Original "The Italian Job" is one of my favorite "Heist Job" Movies.
For anyone jaded by heist movies - TIJ is a salve. And can I point out that; The itailian job2, thomas crown affair2 and especially rollerball2 DO NOT EXIST. [end rant]
How many heist films star Noel Coward and end with a literal cliff hanger?
@@christopherpardell4418 only the best ones
Yes. The story is interesting, the action scenes are both exiting to watch and fairly realistic, the soundtrack is great and like someone else said it ends on a literal cliffhanger. What more could you want
@@negotiableaffections unngh, love The Thomas Crown Affair
The fact that people forget Sam Rockwell's name is actually a credit to his ability to just be other people.
I should check out more of his stuff, the only place I know him from is Iron Man 2, he totally steals the show in that one.
Proof: I can remember the name Zaphod Beeblebrox more often than Sam Rockwell
For heist movies, I highly recommend Rififi: the heist scene itself is 30 minutes long, carried out with no music and no dialogue, with tension you can pluck like a banjo string.
There a lot of good French heist movies, and Rififi is the pinnacle.
The original Italian Job is one of the best heist movies of all time, not realistic in the slightest, but wonderful.
Exactly
@@sclogse1 We uh… we won’t talk about the remake.
@@chadwcmichael Let us never mention that again, please.
best cliff hanger movie ending ever literally
@@michaelholmstrom7677 chef’s kiss
The Score (2001) starring Robert de Niro and Edward Norton is a much-overlooked film that goes in-depth into every aspect of pulling off a heist - particularly the planning and set-up.
@Xoferif dang you beat me to it. The Score and Heist are the two best movies of the type ever made. 👍👍
Seconded! Edward Norton's performance is mind-blowing.
Good call!
Good entertainment but the ones that they break in through the sewers , I dunno . I liked Inside Man .
Is this where the safe is in the basement of building in Canada? Im trying not to spoil it
Totally agree about short stories more often being better source material for feature films. Look at Villeneuve's 'Arrival' - based on the great Ted Chiang short story 'Story of Your Life', which was actually expanded upon, rather than trimmed down, to make the film. I think Chiang's short story 'What's Expected of Us' would be perfect for a faithful adaptation to screen. Even some shorter novels, like Gaiman's 'The Ocean at the End of the Lane' would be perfect for feature length films.
With the advent of truly beautiful, big-budget series on streaming services, I think novels are now better sources for such projects. Some of the best screen adaptations I've ever seen have been done as multi-season series, like 'The Expanse', 'His Dark Materials', 'Good Omens', 'The Sandman' and Sonnenfeld's brilliant 'A Series of Unfortunate Events'. I'm still up in the air about 'The Peripheral'. It's well done but I think they changed way more than was necessary for a screen adaptation. But yeah, 'Snow Crash' done as a 6-8 episode series has the potential to blow some minds.
Before even Adam's time, NBC aired a series about a freelance insurance investigator, _Banacek._ The character is badly outdated, but the puzzles were both fair and interesting --- sometimes fascinating.
_Bladerunner_ is that rare sort of movie that rewards repeated viewings, voiceover or no. About that time you get the yen to see it once more, you are about ready to notice something else that you had missed.
I agree with your assertion that short stories are better translated to movie form. Almost every complaint about a novel adapted to film can be boiled down to "it wasn't long enough." However, until now I have always thought the contrapositive: that novels are best adapted to television series or miniseries. I think that The Expanse is a perfect example of a book that got a proper adaptation, it would have been terrible as a movie!
Yeah, it's telling that the majority of good film adaptations come from novels that are much closer to novella length
On the other hand, my current pet-peeve is that a lot of tv-adaptations these days don't seem to actually care about adopting the source material all that much. It seems more like the writers just want to flex their own muscles.
Though I think "The Martian" worked pretty well.
@@bbcovault - Haven't read The Martian, but I bet it's along the same lines as other novels that have worked as movies: It has a lot of description where the timeline isn't moving as much. Movies have to pace with time watching while novels very, very often pull a Zach Morris "time-out" to internalize events for characters or describe surroundings in detail. This is one reason the LotR films had even the slightest chance to succeed (though still a fantastically monumental achievement) because they had so much description that might last pages but could be shown to the eye in moments just by being "there" or even by montage.
I agree with Adam being hesitant about book adaptations. That collective sigh of relief when Dune came out was a palpable experience lol
Which was inversely proportional to the whole Dark Tower experience:(
such a shame about mortal engines, rip
I also agree with Adam that Snow Crash would be a pretty good one to do. Weird, lots of action, lots of potential eye-candy with props, sets, CGI, etc.
I was always tempted to get a "Poor Impulse Control" tattoo. 😆
And see, just to show that this is all very subjective - for me, Dune the novel was interesting and engaging. Dune the movie - either of them, really, but especially the new one - is very very pretty and looks perfect... and is ultimately boring and unengaging. That's only my opinion, of course, and if you enjoyed the movie I'm glad it brought some happiness to your life. :)
Mostly because what you see in your mind's eye while reading a good story will most likely not be lived up to by a movie adaptation.
Old lady sci-fi fan who grabbed up all those Gibson and Stephenson (and Bruce Sterling!) books as soon as I could get my hands on them. I agree with your thinking that seeing a William Gibson novel produced well is less likely. On the other hand, Through a Scanner Darkly was an excellent adaptation version of a Philip Dick novel. The animation technique they used captures perfectly the stealth tech and the drug experience described in the book.
Adam, as a long time fan, I'm super relieved to see/hear you recognize the line between different media. I see you.
The Italian Job (the original not that horror of a remake) and Kelly's Heros.
A man of exquisite taste.
I love Ronin. And, I find his rant about it hilarious because Mamet is one of the writers on it.
John Frankheimer loved to tell two stories in the same shot. Even something going on in the background of a scene could be important. I've always wondered if he ever had to argue with studio executives who were just adamant that you can't expect the average viewer to follow that.
It's one of my favorites too, but I'm with Adam on inserting all the references to "ronin", it's just silly and unnecessary.
One of the youtube channels I'm subscribed to is someone comparing how well films are adapted from their source material (Dominic Noble). I agree with him that getting the feel/tone right is more important than sticking faithfully to the plot.
This is by far my favorite "Ask Adam Savage" that I've seen so far! Especially referencing William Gibson and Neuromancer! I know there have been efforts to adapt Neuromancer for years and years, but at this point so many ideas from that book have made it into other books, movies, and tv shows, that a film adaptation may not seem as genre defining as Neuromancer was when it originally came out.
I'd still go see a Sprawl Trilogy anyway, and a Bridge Trilogy adaptation!
Also Neuromancer is a heist AND hacking story!
"The Great Train Robbery" 1978 is one I like.
I'm glad that we now the the format of "episodic miniseries" available, that really allows novels to be better adapted to a visual medium.
On another topic: "Mr. Robot" has The Best representation of on-screen computer hacking I (as a computer professional) have ever seen. Also... kind of a heist thing in the early seasons.
I recommend giving Sneakers a watch.
Source: coffee break discussion at an IT security company about good hacker movies.
Yeah, they even got linux right - Elliot mentally capping on Tyrell for being a KDE user, the use of vi in a dramatic series, malicious USB devices, etc. My only niggle is Eliot booting up a replacement computer using a Mint CD. I mean, I could see Debian or Fedora or Arch, but Mint?
Your talk about Neuromancer reminded me of some of my favorite books. I must go back and experience those again.
I love the TV show Leverage, and I think the hacking might sometimes annoy you, if you haven't watched it. My favorite heist book is The Thief by Megan Whalen Turner. I recommend reading that entire series, and if you haven't read them yet. Do NOT read any spoilers. Just hope right in. The ending of each book is SO perfect.
Heist Movies my favorites, "Kelly's Hero's", "The good, The bad, and the ugly" and finally expanding the definition just a little The Shawshank Redemption. Oceans 11 the original with Frank Sinatra, Sammy Davis and others the story ends there is no setup for a sequel.
lol, I watched Kelly's Heroes a couple days ago, I think it had been at least 25 years since I had seen it last.
@@Travelinmatt1976 Kelly's Heroes and Lawrence of Arabia were the first two movies I ever bought on DVD. And I still have them about 25 years later.
Kelly's heros is awesome. I remember how much time I spent trying to find burning bridges on cassette back in the day lol. I turned my wife on to it, and she was actually wearing her oddball shirt to work tonight.
I love The Thomas Crowne Affair, my favorite heist movie.
Except how does he fold the painting into the briefcase??
The Steve McQueen version or the newer Pierce Brosnan version ? :-P
@@oleimann Pierce Brosnan and Renee Russo
Which is why I tend to prefer seeing the film or series first, then read the novel inspiring it (with the obvious exception of finding the novel before the movie/whatever exists). There's always going to be more to discover and be surprised by in the novel than in the adaptation.
This one of the best q&a’s of yours Ive seen. A real movie and book lover can never just talk about “a” movie or A book lover can never talk of just one book there is an ecosystem of books and movies that transcends the One. And For the record Michael Crichton writes book length short stories.
The sting - Paul Newman, Robert Redford.
Probably not very realistic (it's been a while for me) but a great watch!
It is actually based on real events.
Fantastic movie but it's a con, not a heist.
Heist is a good one. Also the Score with DeNiro and Edward Norton is great!
The two I came to mention
Also:
Inside Man
Italian Job
Bellman and True
Sneakers
Heat
Kelly’s Hero’s
Breaking in
Foolproof
Now you see me
National Treasure
Baby Driver
Point Break
The Sting
Thomas Crown Affair
I'll second The Score (De Niro/Norton).
But...it's not without a major gripe. Not how he opens the safe, even though Mythbusters took a shot at it, iirc. But how he *filled* it. As soon as he turned the tap he'd plugged into the sprinkler line, the sprinkler flow alarm would have tripped. And that's part of the fire alarms, not the internal cameras and motion sensors that Norton hacked, so it would likely still have been live. Hell, on a building that old, it might have still been analog. You're not hacking that from your laptop in the server vault.
During college I regularly helped close the main library after hours. It was a 1970s building, and there were two overlapping fire alarm systems that weren't interconnected, one new one with a nice LCD status monitor, and the one that they installed when they built the place, which was a nightmare (and usually the one that tripped).
The Score is great!! It is very similar to Heist. Great characters.
There is one example of genuine hacking in one of the Matrix movies: In the Matrix Reloaded, when Trinity is inside the Matrix hacking the power plant, she uses a real hacking tool to exploit a genuine system weakness. This raised concerns for being too realistic from some security experts.
Now You See Me is honestly one of the best modern heist movies. I love sleight of hand and the way they were able to build a heist plot around it was brilliant. It's not at ALL realistic or plausible but in terms of getting you to really root for the "bad guys" and being a fun ride, it is a great movie.
Yeah, the ending was great too. The sequel, ehh, decent but not spectacular. Though I do have to give props to the Harry Potter joke/easter egg.
I never knew there were all these different versions of the movie until after I saw that director's cut.
My brother and I were looking to go to a movie, and we saw that Blade Runner was playing. We were surprised; "Didn't that movie come out in the 80's some time? Why is it showing in theaters now?" We were quite intrigued and decided to see that while we had the opportunity. And we enjoyed it.
Many years later I was hearing people talk about Harrison Ford's narration in that movie, which was confusing because I didn't remember that being in the movie.
Kind of going along with what you were saying about Bladerunner and not having the narration going on. I mute movies sometimes to take a call, talk to someone, whatever. I then go back to it absent-mindedly still on mute and start seeing stuff I’ve never noticed before. Movies that I’ve been watching all of my life. It’s fascinating and soo true that our brains allot certain amounts of processes and attention to different senses for experiencing a movie. Take sound away and more is given to our sight to soak in a more complete reality.
Since both the movie "Die Hard" and book adaptations are mentioned in this video, I will mention that "Die Hard" is based on the book "Nothing Lasts Forever" and I found it very interesting how the movie is faithful to the action sequences in the book to great detail but the story, not so much. The book definitely in no way, shape or form, has a Hollywood ending.
The Bourne Trilogy was changed from the books... so...
In the Books, the lady survives the assassination attempt...
In the Movie, the lady is killed...
RIP Mrs. Bourne.
What made me laugh was that due to Hollywood legalities, Frank Sinatra was offered the the starring role in Die Hard first.
@@aralornwolf3140 damn that's a shame they changed that I honestly really liked her character in identity would have liked to see more.
@@elitesniper923 ,
Yes. It's a huge change between the books and movies. _Huge!!_
Read the books watch the movies, nothing says you can't enjoy both.
Cant believe I didn't know it was adapted from a book, it's one of my favourite movies. Definitely going to read that.
Everytime I hear Adam talk about movies (not the props in movies, that would be all the time), I think of how great a collab with the Junkfood Cinema guys would be.
Also, I think at this point so much has been 'borrowed' from Neuromancer that it would have the same issues as John Carter did when it came out.
2001 a space odyssey is a perfect example of why having no talking/dialogue for the first 10 minutes sets the whole tone & atmosphere for the movie.
Another movie that uses that technique well is "The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly". I cannot find the information now, but I think it was somewhere around 20 minutes (???) before the first line of dialogue.
True, but 2001 had pacing issues - it only worked theatrically because of the never before seen fantastic effects. I watched the re-release a few years ago. It was beautiful but dragged enough to make me fidget. The beginning apes through space scene does work and holds up today as visually stunning, but the pace needed to pick up afterwards. The boardroom scenes were slow, for example - and the star child scenes were a bit too allegoric if you didn't know the story. It'd be rewatched by modern audiences far more if it were more accessible. (The special effects still hold up, which is awe inspiring)
@@seanclark8452 The fact that modern audiences have the attention span of a gnat doesn't mean 2001 has issues, it just means modern audiences are morons. The pacing of the whole movie is vitally important, and the film wouldn't be anywhere near as good if it were changed. Aside from anything else, the pacing is representative of the glacial pace at which history unfolds, and things happen in space. There aren't spaceships zipping about, firing laser weapons at one another; space travel is a slow, patient, deliberate experience. That's why the whole Stargate is the one exception, and Bowman's experience whilst travelling galactic distances has the only elements of speed in the film.
As for the boardroom scenes, the pacing perfectly represents the gravitas of the whole endeavor. Zipping through those scenes would have been terrible. The scene when he meets the Russians on the orbiting space-station, on the way to the Moon, is pure genius; the way Floyd passes a message - very deliberately - without saying anything directly, in a way that makes it seem like he doesn't want to pass a message, even though that was actually the only reason for having the conversation in the first place, is one of the greatest scenes in movie history.
"Yes I ... I know. ... As I said I'm ... not at liberty to discuss it."_
It sends chills down my spine every time I watch it!
Then, when he's in the boardroom on the Moon, he refers back to that supposedly chance encounter as being embarrassing for him - even though it was NOT embarrassing for him, it was quite deliberate - but now he's using it to convince the people at the base to maintain secrecy. He threatens them without actually threatening them, and the whole thing is one of the greatest examples, ever shown on film, of the way real world politics and diplomacy actually work. It's one of the reasons Dune is such a great book, because you get told what people are saying to one another, and at the same time you get told what they're thinking - which explains why they are saying what they're saying - and that's why it has been so hard to capture Dune on film. However those scenes in 2001 do it perfectly, because if you watch them carefully you can understand why Floyd is doing what he's doing, and saying what he's saying, and deduce what he's thinking from the disparity between his words and actions.
It is brilliantly subtle, and so much would be lost if anything was changed...
They have discovered absolute proof that intelligent, benign alien life exists, and that it is much more advanced than ours, but don't forget that if you haven't seen the movie before, you don't actually know that when Floyd is on the way to see the monolith. The aliens think in terms of hundreds of thousands, or even millions of years; that's how long it has been since they passed by and put the first obelisk on Earth, remember, then buried the one on the Moon, and put one in orbit around Jupiter. They knew it would be millions of years before they were discovered and used, if intelligent life survived and grew, and the pacing of the whole film reflects that.
I assert that it is vital to the whole experience.
Every single thing in that movie, every line of dialogue, every scene, is deliberate and important; there is nothing superfluous, and nothing that needs to change. The one exception - in my opinion - is the Star Gate sequence, which could be improved up with modern special effects, and there are sequences in other movies which show the same thing more effectively.
I don't think Kubrick would give a flying %#$& about modern audiences - or any audiences for that matter - finding the film inaccessible, and I don't think he would change a thing, because everything he did had a purpose. Plenty of people found it inaccessible back when it was released, and ever since, and will do so into the future, but at the same time there will ALWAYS be people - I think - who watch it and are blown away.
My grandmother took me to see it at the cinema when I was quite young, and I had no idea what I had just seen afterwards, but like a lot of people I wanted to understand it, so I watched it again, and again, and again, and every time I watch it - I must have seen it 30 times now - I still see something new, or have a new thought about it.
For example, I think one of the things it's saying - something I haven't heard anyone else posit - is that when we finally do manage to create intelligent machines, they will be susceptible to mental health issues, just as we are.
In another example, the film is questioning whether HAL (and by implication, other intelligent machines) is actually conscious, and self aware, and to me it actually answers that question, subtly, when HAL goes off the reservation and starts coming to different conclusions than the HAL 9000 back on Earth. You see, if two 'minds' are both taking the same input data and behaving the same way in response to it, then they are perfectly predictable and have no free will, but as soon as HAL starts going his own way, I think that represents him actually becoming a conscious, self aware being who has free will, and that's why he starts to behave unpredictably, just as humans are unpredictable.
But I digress, and I'm rambling!
My point is that it's the pacing of the film - and the topics it covers - which get my mind ticking over, in a way it simply can't and doesn't when a movie is zipping along at a high rate of knots. Yes, some people find the pacing makes the movie boring, but I find it the exact opposite, because it's what gets my mental juices flowing. I love a good, fast paced action movie as much as the next guy, but there are so many of those, and 2001 is such a truly unique, incredibly special experience - there really isn't another movie that is anything like it - and for that reason I wouldn't change a thing; I certainly wouldn't be trying to turn it into something that is accessible to modern audiences. There are an endless supply of soft science fiction, or science fantasy movies that are accessible to modern audiences, so why would you want to change one of the very, VERY few hard science fiction masterpieces into one of them?
@@seanclark8452 When they did the anniversary release of 2001 in 70mm in 2018( I saw the film around 1970 when I was 10) the theater I went to sold out every show for about 2 weeks.
I spoke with a few people who never saw it before. They were blown away. Not bad for a 50 year old movie.
I personally believe those slow parts you talk about are not slow enough as space as I understand it is boring. Kubrick totally pushed the boundary.
In this modern cinema world in which an edit can last frames it still is refreshing when a filmmaker takes there time.
I’ve seen it more than any other movie and it still amazes me. And it was great to see it capture a modern audience today. Definition of a classic.
I get what your saying about seeing it on the small screen which it was never designed for. That’s not the films fault. It made its mark and when it can
be seen in its rightful environment it can’t be beat.
@@sjeunson1 I watched the re-release in theater with some 20-somethings (later, once it'd been in theaters a bit so it'd be quiet and I could pick my seat). The slow plot pace, and the really pushing it allegory stuff towards the end and things like the over long/stereotypical military meetings/boardroom on the moon didn't go over well. The visuals and mood setting seemed to impress. I think the visuals stand up today better than most made 20 years later. The tricks they figured out were first rate. (if you haven't watch the making of, it's stunning)
That said, he did story pacing in the Shining much better while still packing in allegory and subtle imagery nearly everywhere you look. (even the scenes in the pantry - the items on the shelf behind the characters had meaning...) I just wish 2001 had more balanced pacing like that. While it's true screenplays need to do most story telling visually vs the source book, I think he took it too far at least in the first third of 2001. The last third is great. It has fantastic scenes and quotes that made their way into pop culture.
For me it's bombs that beep really loud and have bright countdown displays. There is a scene in 24 where Jack Bauer is about to walk out of a server room in CTU but he hears a beeping noise and discovers a bomb with a bright display. He would have never discovered it if it hadn't been for the loud beeping the bomb was making.
Yeah… And the flashing lights… Or, someone opens something like a missile or nuclear warhead and there, under the casings, is a nicely lit up red LED display showing you how many minutes and seconds until it blows up. And the overly complex methods of defusing bombs-like the bomber planned for someone to find it and figured out all sorts of booby traps so they could not defuse it. And, of course, the fact that the bomb is ALWAYS found with just enough time left that, even with the complicated defusing required, that the hero can stop the bomb with 1 or 3 or 5 seconds left till BOOM. Just once I want to see someone defuse a bomb on screen with an hour and 13 minutes left on the clock; like, no sweat.
@@christopherpardell4418 I suggest the canadian series Flashpoint. It's about a SWAT team and they have plenty of episodes involving explosives, and they are all over the place in regards for how easy they are to defuse.
I also liked that it paints a MUCH more realistic picture about use of deadly force by law enforvement. Most of the cases they manage to talk the perpetrator into giving up.
There’s also the bomb defusing scenes where our hero is given instruction by phone or radio by some expert. Being told which colored wires to cut. This implies that movie bomb makers follow some kind of standardized bomb wiring convention.
_Broken Arrow_ is another example. Fun movie...
There a ridiculous scene at the end of the first season of Star trek discovery where the main character has to sneak aboard a Klingon ship to hide anti-cloaking device devices. These devices have the star fleet logo on them, are lit up like Christmas trees and loudly announce that they are armed
Thank you for saying Lockpicking, and for saying it right away! I was saying it along with you! It's such a peeve of mine, and such a dumb and easy thing to know and fix!
I think one of the major issues with lock picking in movies is the lack of dramatic effect. In real life a skilled locksmith can pick a lock faster than most people can open it with a key.
For a good heist movie I recommend "The Thomas Crown Affair" with Pierce Brosnan and Rene Russo.
A recent heist movie I quite enjoyed was army of thieves, love all the little details it throws in.
My favorite hacking movie is Sneakers. Hands down, the best representation of any film.
I've got a soft spot for Hackers. It's terrible, and I'm not convinced it was terrible on purpose, but now days it reads that way and I get a joy from just how BAD it is.
Hackers, Sneaker, and The Net. And seeing Angelina Jolie and Sandra Bullock as cool girl hackers just made me swoon so bad.
Hack the planet!
@@Travelinmatt1976 Hackers and the Net are classic!
Hackers got a lot right, such as The Zone - where you get engrossed in a problem, and suddenly it's nighttime and you've accomplished a weeks' worth of work.
They did have real hackers as consultants on the movie, but obviously had to take a ton of artistic license to avoid the audience lapsing into a coma...
Hack the Gibson at Setec Astronomy before the Praetorians find you! XD
This video made me realize Robert De Niro is in some great heist movies. Heist like you mentioned, but also Heat and The Score (which you showed was plausible on Mythbusters). Ronin was also awesome, name dropping aside.
Good answer about the Hacking you are 100% right and it is always super egregious
Just finding this video, and I love that Adam liked Spartan! I remember renting it from Blockbuster and wondering why it never got more attention, it was fantastic.
I'm finding the best thing to happen to adaptations is the advent of the streaming services transitioning into content producers as well as just streaming other people's works. You can fit so much more plot and story elements from even a dense literary work into a series and for some reason people are willing to watch that slowly develop over many episodes and even season where they are unwilling to sit and watch the same development over several three hour movies. It is honestly kind of a bizarre phenomenon to me.
A couple hours every couple weeks is easier than having to sit through a movie, in a specific place, every few months. Also, there’s a bit more suspense to it from what I can tell.
@@CraftQueenJr Be honest. We are all binging entire seasons over a couple days. :-)
Two of the few redeeming qualities about Ronin is the car chase sequence and the scene chewing from several of the actors (Sean Bean, Jonathan Pryce and Stellan Skarsgard, specifically).
Its obvious that Adam has a irrational hatred of that movie. His justification is solely based on 5 minutes of dialogue about Ronin. Nothing else!
It's a great movie if you just don't take it seriously. It's almost a spoof of its genre.
I mean it might as well have been titled "The McGuffin".
@@nicholasvinen Oh, I know. It's a movie that I can pop in and enjoy because it is almost entirely mindless.
@@nicholasvinen I see that as part of the brilliance of the film.
I had a friend who hated it, and gave as his reason that we never find out what is in the case. And I was like, that's the whole point. They even say it out loud: "It's not about what's in the case. It never was."
I loved that movie.
Would you do a show or a episode with Steve 'Red Green' Smith? I think you guys would be great making some do-hikey together :)
OMG thank you for shouting out Thief, *such* a fantastic and wildly underrated film
Thank you for saying "Thief"! I've always liked that one and don't think it gets the credit it should. Mann is an early favorite director of mine. See "The Keep".
Outstanding soundtracks on both movies by Tangerine Dream
Sometimes saying the name of the movie fits in the movie. For instance, Westworld is the name of the place so it's natural for someone to say it. In Broken Arrow, it's a code name for the situation. Blade Runner is the title of a job. Xanadu even has a whole song at the end about the title. Its not so much the use of the title in the movie, its making it fit well.
I'll be thinking "Xanadu" all day now as I will be baking Christmas cookies.
My first thought was Rambo. How many times is his name said? :)
I'm embarrassed to admit losing count of how many times it's said in the "Back to the Future" trilogy. Lol.
"The Matrix".
Need I say more?
I think you kind of have to make an exception for a movie where the title is a main character's name. Wolfshead009 mentioned Rambo, but the original movie was "First Blood", only the sequels had the name Rambo in the title. My first thought was "Rocky". That movie has to have dozens upon dozens of times where "Rocky" is said but it obviously doesn't stand out. If there were a movie where Kirk said, "Spock... we're going to go... on a journey. A... STAR TREK!" you'd throw your popcorn at the screen.
The Thomas Crown Affair. Second of the two is my fave, but both are great.
Nailed it with Thief. Maybe my fave, Inside Man is one of the best. And I'd argue that The Usual Suspects is a heist film in addition to being every other genre too.
Ironically, Blowfish is an encryption algorithm.
Blowfish is a clever portmanteau of the only memorable scene from that movie and the name of the movie itself.
@@Muglez14 Yeah, I was gonna say, it's pretty damned funny that he remembered it as "Blowfish"
00:40 Freudian slip. that movie definitely blows
Indeed, it does.
Inside Man is another GREAT heist movie! Excellent use of psychological warfare and misdirection and the ending will BLOW YOUR MIND!!!
Neuromancer is a 1984 science fiction novel by writer William Gibson. Considered one of the earliest works in the cyberpunk genre
Cyberpunk is a subgenre of science fiction with a dystopian futuristic setting focused on a "combination of lowlife and high tech", featuring futuristic technological achievements, such as artificial intelligence and cybernetics, juxtaposed with societal collapse or decay.
Bruce Sterling co-wrote The Difference Engine with Gibson...I think you meant Stephenson's The Diamond Age, which I've always considered a more mature and refined version of Snow Crash.
Snow Crash is Stephenson's take/parody of cyberpunk. The Diamond Age is truly a post-cyberpunk novel.
This is the first time I've heard anyone reference Snow Crash, one of my favorite books. It's a favorite of mine because, among other thing, it's so obvious who the main character is. Who would you cast as Hiro Protagonist? YT? I feel Jason Momoa would be great as Raven.
Yes! The last I heard, HBO Max was talking about making it a series. That's the best case scenario for Snow Crash.
It would be especially convenient because of the whole Facebook/Meta/Metaverse thing going on at the moment.
How /good/ would that be? Extra bonus points if they can get sued by Facebook. ;)
Also on the "short stories translate better for films" that he talked about. Many of the best movies biased on stories were short stories, the best Stephen King adaptations were short stories such as Shawshank Redemption, Stand By Me were both in the same collection.
“Le Cercle Rouge” (1970) is a masterpiece where the intense heist scene is totally silent, save for a ticking clock. Most underrated heist flick is perhaps Sidney Lumet’s “The Anderson Tapes” (1971) starring Sean Connery & features the very first role of Christopher Walken.
The Lady killers was a fun movie.
It's a remake
Does "The Usual Suspects" count as a heist film? I think it should.
I have always said "the usual suspects" is a heist film great film
I think it does. Too bad you can only "really" watch it once.
Oh absolutely. In fact, it's arguably the only one-room heist movie, depending on how you interpret what counts as the "heist"
But yeah as Solar mentions, it struggles to hold up on a second watch. So it's no Ocean's 11
@@SolarWebsite I'd say twice. Once you know where it's going, a second watch will pick up a lot of things you missed or didn't catch the significance of.
I've never been able to buy into all the hype surrounding The Usual Suspects because the entire basis for the film centers around a gross misunderstanding of the purpose of a police lineup. Other than that, it was an okay film, I guess.
Agree completely on the difficulty of adapting novels to film. As you pointed out, Netflix or whoever, could buy the rights and give it more time. Though some stories, like Cryptonomicon, would probably take seasons. I think the problem you can run into there is, where you can read the book in a few days, spreading the telling of the story out over years will lose a lot of the "energy" you experience blasting through a really good book. Not to mention the problems of forgetting critical details over long enough time frames. Which is to say, there are some stories where the most optimal way to tell it, is in novel form. And telling it any other way is guaranteed to produce a lesser experience.
I’ve been watching a lot of these videos, a very unexpected effect of that is that my reading list is growing fast
Favourite heist movie: _How to Steal a Million_ with Audrey Hepburn and Peter O'Toole
I actually noticed that the lock picking was done correctly in Ghostbusters Afterlife. I was impressed that a movie finally got it right.
Lock picking is pretty easy... find master lock, use a thin piece of metal... and rake the lock (works around 50% of the time). :D
@@aralornwolf3140 yes it can be easy but films never depict it correct
My movie pet peeve is the Stuka dive bomber sound from ww2, that is added to ANY aircraft diving or about to crash, and a radial engine sound to turbine aircraft or vice versa.
Inside Man! i like the premise, seems pretty thoughtfully done.
I'd recommend not a heist film, but a con film. Probably the best one out there. The Sting. It's about stealing, not by stealth but by guile.
The Sting is great. I'd definitely call it an early heist film.
It also borders on a 'get back' movie too. Hence its name.
‘Guile’ , well said
I love how those crimes shows (like NCIS), can find anything, or anyone, on the the internet in a minute or less... 🤣
Of course not, nobody knows how to type. They are just frantically hitting the same keys over and over again.
They have those super computers that make little sounds when they compute though. I gotta get me one of those...
One of my favorites is in Cube Zero when the "experts" sit down at the computers they open up the keyboards so that the PCB underneath is exposed and they have little metal tips on their fingers that let them type by directly touching the traces on the board. I guess the logic being that they're saving a couple milliseconds by not needing to actuate the keys lol.
Film they came to mind for my favourite heist is The Italian Job with Michael Caine
Die Hard is also a Great Christmas movie.
It's also a harry potter prequel
The book I most wanted to see made into a movie was The Mote in God's eye from 1974.
I love the name drops! I love to see how quickly it happens!
I Love the Three Body Problem! I hope it gets turned into something great for TV!
What's your pet peeve when it comes to TV and movies? And what's your favorite heist film?
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Heist movie suggestions: Grand Slam, Rififi, Sexy Beast, Inside Job. :D
For me, the original Italian Job (Michael Caine, Noel Coward, Benny Hill etc) has extremely enjoyable & at least semi-realistic (in that they had to negotiate with the genuine Italian Mafia of the time for some scenes, & that Milan /was/ (even more) gridlocked due to a football match on that day). However, I'd also recommend you take a look at The First Great Train Robbery with Sean Connery, Donald Sutherland etc: great fun! :)
It always bugs me when characters spring up out of bed after a nightmare. People just don't do that. And it's not that easy to do, especially after just waking up. Just try sitting up straight in bed. Most people tend to roll to the side to get out of bed.
And it's not just about hacking, it's about assigning attributes to technology (especially computers) and things like computer viruses that they just don't have. Exploding computers is also bad.
Pet peeve: Computers in movies (the more the advanced they are, the more "special buttons" they appear to have).
Heist movie (and i'm surprised no one's mentioned this yet): Heat
Probably the biggest culprit for saying the name of the movie within the movie would have to be "Rocky".
For me, it's obviously empty coffee to go cups. I know it would suck to hold a weighted cup though multiple takes but it sure would look better.
My vote for a graphic novel I'd like to see done WELL, was actually dine more than a decade before I discovered it: Lone Wolf and Cub. However, I've never seen any of the films, so I can't say whether they were done well. However, I DO think it was adapted remarkably well, in a sense, when it became an influence on The Mandalorian.
The Great Train Robbery, and Kelly's Heroes. Good on you for citing Thief.
By far, the absolute worst movie/TV hacking I've ever seen was NCIS. Two people slapping keys on the same keyboard at the same time...
"The Arctic Marauder" by Jacques Tardi would make an amazing short film and I'm not sure how many people know it exists.
If you want heist movie recs, I recommend three film-noir classics from the 50's, The Asphalt Jungle (1950), one of the original heist movies, Riffi (1955), one of the all time greats, and The Killing (1956), an early Stanley Kubrick classic.
I agree with Adam about the pet peeves of things that movies or shows don't get right but sometimes (like in the case of lockpicking) in the interest of moving the story along the task has to be expedited. That's where your suspension of disbelief comes in. My pet peeve is how soldiers in combat situations act, move, speak, decide, etc. but that's only because I did that for a living so I know how it really goes down. But the general public doesn't know and I don't expect them to so I get why movies gloss over the details. A show I watched recently got it pretty close though. The show Invasion on (I think) Apple tv got the operator character pretty good. What are some of your movie/show pet peeves?
Really dig the fact that Adam shouts out Thief and Spartan. Two of my all time favs but he's gonna have to rethink his take on Ronin since it was written by David Mamet under a pseudonym.
I kinda liked Ronin when I saw it and while I agree the Ronin references in the movie was a bit heavy handed, sometimes you have to hit some of the audience who aren't into history over the head to make it clear why the name was chosen: masterless spies, assassins and mercenaries for hire in a post cold war era of changing loyalties, while some nations names disappear from the maps altogether.
In fact, the dialogue and twists in Ronin is characteristic Mamet (including the use of “The Case” McGuffin as also a McGuffin within the plot of the film, as its existence was a CIA plot to pull Seamus out of hiding, which is misdirection for the audience). Mamet refused screenwriting credit because he wasn’t given primary credit even though he wrote nearly every scene and all of the dialogue in the film.
As for the opening scroll, this was added due to studio notes because producers were concerned that viewers wouldn’t understand the connection, and the later exposition by Jean-Pierre (played by Michael Lonsdale, one of three actors in the film who played Bond villains) would appear ‘too late’ for the audience to catch up. Frankenheimer discusses this in the director’s commentary, as well as the tacked on ending that the studio forced on the film; the commentary is worth listening to because it is a masterclass on how to make an intelligent action thriller, and also because every time a car chase scene comes up, Frankenheimer stops talking about making the film and instead praises the skill of the stunt drivers and coordinators in making what were definitive sequences that directors are still aping today.
Other overlooked Mamet films post-Heist are Spartan (Val Kilmer, William H. Macy, Ed O’Neill, Tia Texada) and Redbelt (Chiwetel Ejiofor, Max Martini, Tim Allen, Alice Braga); while neither are really in the heist genre, they both involve labyrinth double-crosses (naturally) and betrayals. Spartan in particular deserves more attention, presaging as it does the casual treachery of politicians willing to expend the lives of soldiers to advance their agendas and the promotion of fabricated ‘intelligence’ to protect their interests.
My biggest pet peeve is when they can’t get the military ribbons right on the actors. There are plenty of references to access to get it right. Or the ribbons don’t match the rank. An E-4 hasn’t been in long enough to have 5 rows of ribbons.
I remember hearing somewhere that legally movies and shows can't be 100% accurate when showing military uniforms. There has to be some differences, ribbons on wrong side or wrong order, how many buttons a uniform has, chevrons improperly placed... I don't know how true that is, just something I've heard
@@EviLincoln I’ve never heard that but that would explain why I’ve seen it so screwed up.
@@EviLincoln that’s not true, no way, I think the reason is the producers are too cheap to pay Subject Matter Experts, sme.
Sneakers is such a great heist movie. And, of course, the Joker's heist in The Dark Knight is so so satisfying.
Is “inside man” considered a heist movie? If so that’s my favorite one. It’s a heist movie about a bunch of Jewish people stealing back diamonds from an old nazi. Love it!
Total classic!