The Best Lightsaber Form for Each Type of Combat Scenario
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- There are seven different types of lightsaber combat and each one of them are good for certain types of combat scenarios.
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Count Dooku: "Now that you've seen all of the forms I am able to teach you, what form fits your style?"
General Grievous: "Helicopter Rotor."
Maybe he thought spinning was a good trick...
Spinjitsu
You shouldn't watch rebels if you hate helicopter rotor style.
@@Lewiss7423 but that was good against blaster, MINI GUN blaster
Grievous could probably fly if he was holding two katanas.
The Mandalorian style of strapping weapons to your everything and using surprise to your advantage
This is the way
You mean just blow stuff to kingdom come?
Form VII uses this same tactic.
If wielded correctly and in control.
*Reloads everything with religious intent*
The fact that we have yet to see a Mando deploy a crotch blaster is a massive disappointment
My code is: 4 lightsabers you need then spin them like a ceiling fan
Hello there
OLD DRAGON General Kenobi, you’re a bold one!
you milling through the enemy.
Serious question _[seriously]_
Would Grevious have been better served by using a Force Shield or two in his secondary hands?
Maybe even a Force shield in hand 3 and a blaster or Mandalorian style anti Jedi weapon like a flamer or similar in hand 4??
It would have kept any Jedi even more off balance and been more effective in fighting non Jedi at range.
casbott yes but i think that would decrease his ability to fight multiple jedi
Form 8: Also known as Måh Rhéï-Sûeh
Swing your lightsaber like a baseball bat with absolutely zero grace or form.
Has never been defeated in combat.
Mastered and created by every character in the sequel trilogy.
Actually it would be form 9 because Mace Windu invented form 8.
Form 10, just use fencing techniques and lunge forward to poke without winding up for strikes.
Called *"Tips"* it was invented by a Jedi called Shadiversity.
You also need to be a main character
@@theultimatememelord5494 Actually that's a bit closer to how Luke fought in the Original Trilogy, just wildly swinging his lightsaber with no method or grace.
"Obi Wan Kenobi was never one of the most skilled duelists"
Also Obi-Wan Kenobi *said to be by Mace Windu a coveted jedi in his own right, the greatest practitioner of soresu (form 3) to ever live in the Jedi order period. Not to mention Obi Wan Kenobi was also equal in power to Darth maul
And here I thought he was THE master of Form III
Yeah, I thought that was a bit out of line. He was a prodigy as a padawan, was considered one of the foremost duelists of the clone wars, beyond proficient in multiple forms (though he reworked his style considerably later in life) and was the undisputed master of Form 3.
he was good but not skilled its not talent he had but a great work ethic
@@noesautel1043Yes that is correct
To be fair, form III isn't a dueling form... But it's kind of a technicality
The correct form is to hold it from the handle, not the blade.
Nah I think is better to hold the blade
No murder strokes?
Garret LeBuis, Against armoured Stormtroopers.
Hm, so I held it wrong my whole life huh
Ok ok
Humanlink1 that explains why my hands felt spicy
How to fight General Grevious.
Force Telekinesis into the ceiling, then Force Telekinesis into the floor… rinse and repeat.
FEEESH if there is any lava
Or you know... Just ask Mando, Boba, or Jango to hunt him down.
Or R-2. (Unleash the jet packs and oil thingers that set all those droids on fire) ;P
@Gaius Wyrden Or Force push a ion grenade towards him…
Why didn't the Jedi all carry ion grenades with them? TK them at droids, stealthily sneak them near the target outside the line of sight, often from above.
And even if not so equipped, Force push the best droid into him, he'll probably slice it up.
Still another option, TK one of his holstered Lightsabers and Snoke him like Kylo…
Sans special attack in a nutshell
1:11 "Precognition … your ex wife that owns half the Correllian Freighter."
_That's it…_ that's the real reason the Jedi order forbids attachments. Not getting caught up in emotional bonds or any of that crap - the Jedi Temple just got sick of being correspondent in divorce settlements.
And having to fight over custody of a keiber crystal is just a headache.
That's the real reason why yoda and obi wan had to move to dagobah and tattooine. They lost their houses to ex wives.
Dude......I wonder if Satine took obi-wan's droid too.
no its because with all those Jedi, all the ex wives would own 99% of the temple
@@mylesstephens7791 probably. The courts alwyas favour the women in custody battles.
@@TY-km8hj damn it makes sense why he moved to a hut on tatooine.....satine took his house too
Bah! Who needs lightsaber when you can just eat their soul.
Then why are you holding one?
Until you weaken yourself so bad with overuse of your power
Also turning yourself into an evil spirit that's attached to armor and a mask.
This must be a different Nihilus because I like using a lightsaber
Darth Nihilus you are weak because you rely on others just to survive and to rely on anyone else’s strength but your own is weakness
Whatever you do, don't try Half-swording or Murder-strokes with a Lightsaber.
You're taking the fun out of it. Can I at least Force throw a pommel at my opponent?
@@eldorados_lost_searcher End him rightly!
Lol rip Kylo Ren
What about using tutamenis on your own blade? Ha,beat that!
@@eldorados_lost_searcher I knew the lightsaber was missing something!
0:26 all i imagine is a guy on bath salts gets cornered by police and says you underestimate my power then proceeds to get tazed while running at them screaming unlimited power and tackles the other cop
He is the senate.
This man earned my subscription with just this one little joke.
"Force sensitive or on a controlled substance, same thing."
Actually started a Star Wars campaign in D&D where my player are jedi and I wanted to include different forms to increase the depth of the combat, so this video is super useful.
If you look for it the old Wizards of the Cost star wars RPG stuff is out there, but it's more like 3.5. Lot of stuff you could maybe get ideas from at least.
I recommend using the FFG Star Wars RPG line. You don't need D&D to play Roleplaying games. Plus, it's way more fun without archaic level limits.
@@Warhammered thnx
@@arandomsquidward7761 I would also highly recommend checking out a channel called Jensaarai One, they're a little further back but his 3-year-old Lightsaber Form videos are absolutely phenomenal.
AdandD originated from gamma world where wizards had laser rifles... force powers and suchlike so returning to the roots
Maul was also younger and more physically fit.
But don't Jedi get more powerful as they age?
@@poalima6527 Yes and no. They age like everyone else requiring a steadily increasing reliance on the force to supplement their diminishing physical prowess. Maul being in his physical prime was able to focus more of his power on attack.
@@mikevasquez1103 Oh I see.
@@poalima6527 Yeah. It was a sort of slap -dash limitation because the force is pretty plot breaking when taken to its logical extreme. LOL
People forget Maul was trained since he was a baby/ small child by sidious
Me: What saber form should I use to fight Count Dooku?
Generation Tech: Rotary Blaster Cannon
Just straight up use a minigun
I'd favor a lock-on rocket launcher myself
Whether or not rotary blaster form can defeat ceiling fan form is the real question
I favor cluster bombs
I find orbital bombardment works as well though the rotary does have the advantage of minimizing collateral damage
Juyo doesn't automatically give you an edge, it's extremely energy taxing(like Ataru with the acrobatics) and requires full offense at the expense of defense. Maul was able to win against Qui Gonn for a variety of reasons on Naboo, not least of which being that while considered a good duelist himself, Qui Gonn hadn't had to duel or seriously contend with another Force user since his former apprentice Xanatos. Qui Gonn was also 60 years old fighting someone half his age or younger and in much better physical shape and endurance. Jinn lost through a combination of fatigue, miscalculation and facing an opponent that had been trained his whole life to counter a Jedi specifically in a lightsaber duel. Maul actually employs Form III throughout most of their duel on Naboo during his tactical retreat, switching styles to catch Qui Gonn off guard.
Maul wasn't trained in Form III, he was trained in Form VI Niman and Form VII Juyo. Most of the Duel of Fates was Maul using Niman to keep the Jedi at bay as he lured them towards the reactor core shaft. Also, he didn't necessarily switch forms to catch Qui-Gon off guard, but rather because he had now isolated him in a confined space so he no longer had to keep his options as open as before when he had to worry about two Jedi constantly trying to attack him from to different directions.
Otherwise though, you're spot on.
Another reason would be that Ataru isn't very good in confined spaces.
@@SoftisNelaris Niman however is a hybridized form consisting of form I, III, IV and V. It's a mixed martial art, if you will. In order to master form VI you need extensive knowledge of form I, III, IV and V. Thus, it's very likely that Maul was also trained in the other forms. Form VII in turn typically requires a foundation in another form, since more than a form it's a mindset and in combat it relies on misdirection. During their first duel on Tatooine, Maul movements are very fluid, grounded and simple and looked like Form I, which suggests he didn't want to reveal his prefered form there. But on Naboo the acrobatics of Maul hint that he's using form IV as his foundation (particularly obvious due to his usage of kicks and jumps, which is typical for form IV). Also, to me it looks like more than defending, Maul is attacking Obi Wan and Qui Gon one at a time, constantly seperating them and taking on one at a time, which is also what a form IV practitioner would do due to the forms inherent weakness against multiple opponents. Also, after Obi Wan cut his saber in half, you see that he basically constantly stays on the move, attacking, jumping and spinning, which is a basic principle of Form IV.
@@Dragonfyre137 sort of agree, sort of disagree:
Form 6 WAS a mix of the lower forms (excluding 2), but it did not require "an extensive knowledge" of them, per se.
The point of Form 6 was that in a time of relative peace, Jedi could be taught Form 6 and gain a pretty good knowledge of it with little need to constantly practice long hours. This made it ideal for Jedi during an era when most of their battles were diplomatic ones and negotiating tables or as moderators to disputes and conflicts as a trusted third party. While it gave them access to a little of everything in the event they did get into fights, it was chiefly for people who didn't spend long hours training in lightsaber combat but, instead, training in history books and reading detailed breakdowns of trade disputes.
So its entire purpose is/was that it DIDN'T require extensive knowledge or long hours of training.
It was, as a result, the dominant Form in use at the outbreak of the Clone Wars, when the Jedi had been diplomats and negotiators for centuries and hadn't seen "real" combat (on the level of a protracted war or against a Force/Lightsaber using opponent) in centuries, or even millennia. This is also why so many fell at the outset of the war, particularly on Geonosis, because the form was not REALLY that great of a combat form against more than a handful of enemies for a very short fight where the Jedi's powers combined with their weapon (lightsaber) could quickly end the conflict. E.g. if the Jedi was the victim of an attempted mugging or a short tussle with a bounty hunter or wild predator animal.
But against an army or skilled opponents, Form 6 was not particularly powerful. It gave the user a lot of options, but while it was very "wide" in scope, it did not have much "depth".
...but because of the variety, it was also the best jumping off point to learn the dual wielding or saberstaff styles.
I think Maul's listed Form is Form 7, with obvious Form 6 input. Like Form 4, Form 7 is very acrobatic, hence the similarities.
@@SubduedRadical I also have to partially agree. Yes, Form VI was easy to learn. But Cin Drallig himself pointed out that in order to trully master Form VI one should expect to need a decade of training in it. At its best, Form VI was unorthodox and unpredictable, but at its worst it was clumsy and unrefined. I think it's fairly reasonable that mastering the forms that Form VI builds on is at least a good foundation for mastering Niman, if not even a necessity, if you trully plan to use it as a duelling form. Otherwise, you end up like the Jedi diplomats, that merely scratched the surface of form VI and were content with only having rudimentary fighting skills. Focusing on Form VI without extensive knowledge of Form I, III, IV and V is like learning to play an instrument without learning music theory - it can only get you so far and at some point the foundation that you failed to learn will become a hindrance (been there, done that). Given that Maul was trained as a Sith Assassin I find it hard to believe that Sidious merely taught him Form VI, without at least some proper training in the other forms in order to have a solid foundation.
Instead of Form 1 in non lethal scenerios, just switch your Lightsaber over to stun setting.
Lightsabers also had another button for creating a rubber blade, as seen by Jedi cops in Futurama.
[Although many now suspect that they are Sith cops].
BTW didn't lightsabers have a practice setting? Otherwise Younglings are going to be dicing each other up in training, which is going to be hard to emotionally repress amongst the survivors.
The younglings had low-power lightsaber, so the worst thing that could happen would be a grade-1 burn 😊
IIRC, there were occasional mentions of practice blades in the old Expanded Universe that mostly just stung when hits connected.
Of course, practice blades don't seem to have seen much use, since trainees often sparred with live blades anyway, even when they really shouldn't have. One book had a scene where a trainee screwed up the focusing crystal of her lightsaber, but the mistake wasn't caught until she and another student began sparring. When she moved to deflect a strike, her blade failed, allowing her opponent's lightsaber to pass cleanly through her block - and her arm.
Someone once asked Lucas about the reason for all the dismemberments; his response was basically that when people play with swords, hilarity ensues.
younglings dont train with lightsabers in dueling senerios. They'll use them in blind blaster bolt training, but the practice sabers they use are solid and more like vibroblades or stunsticks. Jedi don't get a lightsaber until they craft their own when they become a padawan.
In Rebels season 2 Kanan and Ezra use their lightsabers in practice mode while preparing to travel to Malachor. We never see them actually land hits, but their blades have a duller color and a different sound effect.
@@tba113 that was in the young jedi series, these were trainees under luke skywalker.
practice sabers were mandatory in the old republics younglings, but yes, once they were chosen by a master to be a padawan they were given a (pre made by their master) standard saber.
*Some Ancient Sith can slow down time*
Valkorion: You called?
Yes I did
what about cal kestis lmao
Yes can you fix my timestop watch please
@@Thomass-yc7wm
Cal is a really gifted Jedi, all things considered. Not only can he slow down certain objects, he can also sense the imprints on items through the force. If 66 didn’t happen, he would easily become a Council member.
@@goroakechi6126 really gifted is an understatement. On top of Force Slow and Force Memory, he’s also a master of Form I. Also, he bested 2 Inquisitors on his own, and these guys were trained by Darth Vader himself to find and kill Jedi.
But 2 lightsabers in an X form can defeat the sith master no need for any "form" :P
X form is supreme.
Is better than the high ground form.
@@lordkronos5470 Sure, if it's not Obi-wan using the high ground form
I think in this case the X from is far superior to the high ground
X form is the secret 10th form of lightsaber combat along with the 9th being having the high ground form
eagle-gamer that’s Rey’s I haven’t been trained but I win anyway form. Also called the Mary Sue form.
Obi-Wan was a very skilled duelist thank you very much
It's insane that (I think, in Legends) Mace Windu fought Grievous, and Grievous' cybernetic brain started to learn something very close to Vaapad, to the point where Mace Windu withdrew from the battle, to prevent him from learning anything further from the battle.
yes, grevious was able to contend with him for a brief moment until mace fell back on force abilities
Form 0: The way of the dual wielded heavy blaster pistols.
Ooh ooh, or slug throwers...
form zero was the way of seeking peaceful resolution to a conflict aka diplomacy.
Form 0 was running away
Form Zero was Yodas created style. It wasn’t running away or anything, it was basically “Just show off lightsaber handle to intimidate the opposing party to peaceful resolutions.
So uncivilized
"Now i realize most of our viewers are force sensitive, or on a controlled substance, same thing really."
Well I guess MDMA does enhance your empathy etc lol. Perhaps that's the Jedi side of things. I wonder what would be the drug for RL Sith.. Some kind of stimulant, probably. Meth, cocaine, etc.
Flugene Gu adrenochrome lmao
How did he know?
@@flugenegu7777 Burundanga/Scopolamine
as im hitting my bong at 1am xD
“Obi Wan was never the most skilled duelist” even though he was considered near impossible to beat after he mastered form 3 by mace windu (not sure if it was windu but it was one of the best Jedi masters)
Count Dooku, LITERALLY, defeated Obi-Wan Kenobi multiple times.
Matthew Anthony that’s Obi Wan is a defensive duelist and his strength is tiring out the opponent. If you can overwhelm him in massive bursts (which is intrinsic to sith lightsaber fights) you can beat him. But you’re chance of success is low and the only people that have beaten him are the duelests that are considered the best when it comes to offensive capabilities.
@Pancakelord64 You can't call domeone like Obi-Wan Kenobi nearly impossible to defeat when there is a very long list of people who could defeat him. Yoda, Mace Windu, Darth Sidious, Darth Bane, Darth Malgus. Darth Nihilus, Exar Kun, Count Dooku, Tulak Horde, Marka Ragnos, Luke Skywalker, Plo Koon, all could have beaten him. This is just off of the top of my head and is not even close to a full list of people who could beat him. Mace Windu was nearly impossible to defeat, but not Obi-Wan.
@@Matthew-Anthony Nah, that list is too big. If you include Kenobi at his best, he could beat most of those you listed. Video is correct in that Form 2 is best against Form 3, but Kenobi could defeat all but the best Form 2 masters, such as Dooku.
Vs.
Yoda - Honestly, if we're talking purely lightsaber fighting and not including force, I'm going to give this one to Kenobi. Form 3 is great against Ataru be of the tight controlled movements vs large expenditure of energy. Dooku lost to Yoda, but only just barely, and as a Form 2 practitioner, he should have lost hard to Yoda.
Windu - This one goes to Windu quite obviously, although Kenobi likely would last a while. Much longer than anyone else.
Sidious - At Keboni's height, he could last against Sidious but would ultimately lose because Sidious is just that god damn good.
All the ancient Sith Lords - There's truly no way to know if he could beat these. It's pure speculation. However, if we're talking purely lightsaber combat my money's on Kenobi. As soon as it moves beyond that, like more force powers, Kenobi loses to most of them, but could probably still beat a few of them.
Count Dooku - Dooku is a hard counter to Kenobi with his mastery of Form 2.
Luke Skywalker - EU Luke, no. No one can. He's the marry suest character. Disney Luke? Absolutely.
Plo Koon - No. Hard no. I don't know why you'd put him on this list. Kenobi and his mastery of Form 3 easily defeats most Form 5 users and masters of Form 5, like Anakin, still lose to him. No. Not even a little bit.
If we keep it to those alive while Kenobi was alive that list is 2-3 people long. Sidious, Windu, and Yoda. If you really need to understand how ultimately badass Kenobi becomes then look no further than his final confrontation with Maul.
@@Sothas wasn't tulak horde considered the best duelist to ever live? Or was it marka ragnos either one but still? I agree with the rest of your points though (except bane purely because I don't know much about him so I can't agree or disagree)
Before watching the video: I think Form II is the only one that can outclass form III. Soresu can tank any form, making the user invincible... but it’s key strategy was to wait for the opponent to tire out and find openings. Form II would be the best against form III, because just like Soresu, Makashi is about precision and using momentum... a form II master wouldn’t tire out so easily, and would be able to even find small weak spots in the soresu form of the opponent. I actually think that’s what Dooku did to Obi Wan in episode 2. After watching the video: 7:22: Yes!!!
except makashi also has limits. Towards episode 3 on the invisible hand, dooku was completely unable to penetrate obi wan's soresu by the time of ROTS and had to use force abilities to dominate him. Dooku acknowledged that there was a possibility he could have been killed by obi wan instead of anakin
@lapplandkun9273 Dooku was old he didn't have the speed or stamina to keep up the offensive strikes. Makeshi is like Mike Tyson's Peek A Boo boxing style quick, precise, and aggressive intended to end the fight with one defining strike. If Dooku had a younger body it would've been wraps for Obi Wan again.
@@lapplandkun9273 Dooku couldn’t easily find those openings because he was facing both Obi wan and Anakin at the same time: holding his own against masters of form III and V respectively.
Me when i think of an idea :
Me a moment later : brave but foolish
12 gage buck shot with cortoisis that aught to stop your average glow stick wielding phyco as long as they don't have to much plot armor
Parry this jedi
12 gage trench gun with cortosis coated bayonet and barrel. Mixed load of buckshot and slugs, go ahead and close the distance and start slam firing. It's ok if they intercept the buckshot or slugs that just means they get hit with molten metal which will still distract them from using force push or choke on you.
you better be a billionaire, cortosis isnt cheap.
Just use a force wall to stop the shot
@@jasonskeans3327 IDK depends on the jedi/sith I mean if they know what there doing year but not necessarily they mostly face against blasters and they also might under estimate you because slug throwers are so outdated and overconfidence is a common problem with both
Palpatine: *laughs in mastery of all 7 forms*
He wasn't a master, just enough to be good with all of them
@@levicurtis6669 no he was literally a master of all 7.
Where the hell did you get the idea that he was only good?
@@levicurtis6669 nope he was a master
Levi Curtis He was a master of all 7
*cries as he is beaten by his lineage and a mary sue*
My form … Form 3 with a autofire blaster set on stun* in my off hand (or a slug thrower pistol), and maybe a Mandalorian forearm mount.
It's called *Form of the **_f@#©ING bastard_** … or cheating.*
[I'm ambidextrous]
I would also have a Force Shield slung somewhere, just in case of heavy fire - a short dose of the supposed radiation risk is far less dangerous than a short dose of confined plasma beam.
And I would carry a few grenades of various types, they are great when used with Force Telekinesis.
As well as direct combat with them by just _Force pushing_ them straight at your enemies, you can ambush by maneuvering them in from above line of sight and triggering them while over you target.
I'd also study some Form 2 or 7 just for the offence and familiarity with the techniques.
While frowned upon, my style can also be used with a concealed holdout blaster set on stun for day to day wear - my dead opponent isn't going to narc on me.
*Stun bolts can't be reflected back at you by a Lightsaber.
Stun blasts can at least be absorbed by a saber, see 16:38 in Episode 18 of Season 5 of The Clone Wars.
This form I commonly called "form what the f***
@@trenaka9430 the point was they can't be reflected back at you, not that they can't be blocked
I would literally make force shield body armor I mean it can only lead to radiation poisoning better than plasma posioning
Bruh, if you're gonna cheat then cheat to win. All you need is a relatively fast droid equipped with 1- an energy shield (like a Droideka), 2- a high-output sonic weapon, and 3- a wide-spread flechette launcher. This setup works on every level; it's entirely and completely undetectable to the Force, bypassing the precognitive "danger" sense most trained Force users have. Sonic weapons are impossible to deflect with a lightsaber and cause havoc with virtually all biological lifeforms, inflicting not only the kinetic trauma on impact but also a severe blast of "sound" can be crippling in it's own right. Similarly, the flechette launcher (physical weapon) can't really be deflected in any meaningful way (it's basically a directed shrapnel gun) and even using the force to deflect the projectiles can be incredibly difficult because there are so many and they're so small.... Lastly, the energy shield is there only on the off chance that somehow the target gets a split-second of warning and knows an attack is coming.....
In the pre-Disney era Expanded Universe there were several novels set in the Clone Wars era that introduced droids specifically designed in almost exactly the way I describe above for the express purpose of killing Jedi, and they were extremely effective.
If I'm a Jedi or Sith, I would use a combination of Lightsaber skills, hand to hand combat, and Force Powers.
Same. Would you use a single lightsaber or practice Jar’Kai?
@Daryl Franklin, Jr.
Depends on what situation I might get into. Although, I would like to master Jar’kai to gain better advantages.
Geo G I myself would use the traditional Jar’Kai weapons: a standard lightsaber and a shoto, though I’d use it when fighting multiple opponents and not be over specialized like Ahsoka or Ventress
@Daryl Franklin, Jr.
Yeah, good idea👍🏻
@@BlazerK1914 as a Terran, I use a firearm to fxxx any force user with lightsabers, the end!
"a lot of disarmament moves" **shows footage of Anakin having his hand cut off**
Technically not wrong tho lol
In legends luke froze the entire jedi lunch hall during a food fight, this maybe showed force control over time
I think he more held everything still.
I need this. Animated, live action, I don't care. I wanna see it. 🤣
When he said “lesser Jedi” and the screen switched to show Luminara Unduli I got very triggered
Luminara is a Jedi master, but she is not that good. Asajj Ventress took her down and many, many others could as well.
Meh she was too “by the book” to function properly
@@JRF1004 She is a fantastic character and I like her a lot. I just know that she was nothing special when it comes to combat.
Matthew Anthony
Well I wouldn’t say fantastic, but I always saw her as a prime example of the typical Jedi Master
@@JRF1004 She is the perfect example of the traditional Jedi order. Even Yoda is not as traditional as she is, even though he was in charge of it for hundreds and hundreds of years.
Why hold a lightsaber in your hands when you can use the force to use them for you? Darth Traya taught us that.
I love how he casually suggests "you may want to look at Vapad..."
Yeah, sure. Lemme just go find a vapad master real quick...
Fun fact: the lightsaber form Luke used against Kylo Ren first appeared in Legends called Form Zero. It was mainly used by Kyle Katarn and involves igniting a lightsaber only to provoke the opponent but not using it for combat.
It's kind of strange that despite being the best lightsaber duelist in the New Jedi Order, Kyle insisted that the best lightsabers are the ones that are inactive. In most combat situations, he used martial arts, the Force or simply a blaster pistol.
Can you make a video about how the Sith evolved and why they have become "evil"?
Obi-Wan is probably one of the best duelist I believe. Just an opinion. Amazing video, I love it, thank you very much !
Hes arguably the best defensive dueler of all time
To fully master form 6 allows its user to master at least all previous 5 lightsaber forms. It also can be used for all situations and works well at 1 on 1 combat using trickery and a mix of the 5 other forms to throw of an enemy. This is hard to master due to the amount of detail in the form and many Jedi who became practitioners of form 6 were more unreliable due to their failure to commit to the form. However there were more than one incredibly famous force users who found a way to maximize this form, two of these were the legendary Lord Reven and Xar Kun.
Form V - powerful dueling and great blaster deflection.
I love the videos!! You are an excellent narrator Alan!
Ok so here’s a question, let’s say the Thrawn created Grievous and equipped he with a Ysalamir which “nullifies” the force. Let’s also say the Thrawn was also an enemy of Palpatine and he sent Grievous to kill him as well. In this senerio who would win in this fight Palpatine or Grievous?
Well look how obi wan was able to isolate grievous arms and chop them off one at a time. Palpatine’s form vii juyo channels darkside energy would be unstoppable against grievous.
Generation Tech what of Yoda’s form IV? Would that fair the same?
Well in order to defeat Palpatine you need to form an X with two lightsabers, and since Grevious can form 2 X's he could not only destroy Palpatine but the Galactic Patriarchy as well with such a devastating XX defense.
(The real answer to this question is it depends on if the force nullifier prevents Force Lightning or not. If it does then just pick up Sheev and throw him down a pit without fear of reprisal; I doubt he'd keep up in a fight without the aid of the Force)
Palpatine can still throw stuff at grievous
@@GenerationTech It depends on how you use the ysalimir. If you set it up in a way that cuts Palpatine off from the force, I think Grevious wins.
I'd say Makashi would be very useful when facing Juyo. The unpredictable rage-fuelled strikes will inevitably leave openings that can exploited by the lightning quick , energy efficient sword play of Form II.
this is just what i needed - 10/10, very helpful
These lightsaber vids are coming out at the perfect time cause once been teaching myself form 5 Shien with a little bit of Makashi thrown in for good measure instead of learning to play the guitar lol.
I would use Shien/Djem So with Soresu elements, that should be able to overpower enemies and/or tiring them out. Also excellent blaster defense
That would be the most efficient. Specially because Djem So has its roots in Soresu, so they probably really match a lot.
Reys lightsaber form: picking up a lightsaber and becoming OP
yeah that pissed me off
doesn't mean you can use a staff you can't use a laser sword that can cut your limbs and kill you when you're not careful
Strange that Form 5 was omitted, given that it combines the best of Forms 2 and 3 for a set that provides good defense that is immediately followed up with strong counter attacks, good for lightsaber dueling and blaster redirection back to their sources. It’s what allowed Anakin to be such a proficient duelist during the Clone Wars, and later as Vader.
"....same thing"
Had me dying at work!
*Deathstick User* Is engaging in epic lightsaber duel, like Obi Vs Ani level epic
*Reality* jumping up 6 inches while hitting a broken 3PO unit in an alley
"The Jack of All Trades is Master of None."
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In most situations I would recommend form V. It was a versatile form with the dueling elements of Form II, defensive elements of Form III, and fueled with the force enhanced strikes of Form IV. A perfect example of a Form V master is Darth Vader, and we all know how dangerous he was
I feel that Form V is better for stronger people. While it is undoubtedly more powerful than all other forms (except maybe Form VII) when used by somebody like Anakin who is strong physicically. However, if used by somebody who isn't very strong, they would probably be crushed quickly. Form II, on the other hand, uses finesse and skill rather than brute strength. For weaker people, switching between Forms II and III has different means than Form V but they have the same outcome. While Form V off-balances and overwhelms an opponent with force, Forms II and III will do the same but through confusing the enemy. And Form IV... don't get me started
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When your enemy keeps changing how many arms they have.
Being force sensitive is the same as being on a controlled substance. 😆 what an apt description
Your humor is on point in this one. I particularly liked, “a lot of our viewers are force-sensitive or on a controlled substance, same thing…” lmao
I always just assumed that Sideous' opening forward leaping corkscrew across the room at them at such an elderly age was so shocking to the 3 masters who died that it caused them enough of a "OH FUCK THIS GUY IS R EAL AND HES CRAZY THE FUCK HE JUST CORKSCREWD ACROSS THE ROOM AT US" kind of thought process that they lost their technique momentarily in a state of shock and despair. Like they walked in the room all badass with Mace Windui and for things to go from "lets arrest this old dude lol ok" and the drop in confidence after that initial move was like going into a K - Hole when the bass drops at an EDM festival and your so deep in the ketamine hole that the bass drops and never comes back and you feel like you're psychologically fucked.
I would have liked to have seen a longer battle that wasn't so embarassing to them, but the ease of killing them did serve to elevate Sideous to a legitimate threat.
“I wonder how powerful anakin would be if he had grevious’s body” same tho
Palp was trained and mastered all 7 forms that’s why he was superior in the office to all bar mace as mace used a adaptation of form 7 called vapad which palp was not trained in
Not quite. Vaapad was the personal style of windu that fed off the dark side of the opponent and allowed it to boost the practitioner. Regardless if windu was fighting to kill or Palpatine held back, it's clear that Palpatine was using the dark side and windu fed off of it
"Or are on a controlled substance.. same thing" lmao I love you Alan >D
I really enjoyed your analysis. So much so that I wish you had included forms IV, V and VI.
Now a serious question, _no really!_
How much more effective was Form 3 with a Lightstaff, and were the skills the same in terms of training?
Could Obi-Wan pick up a Lightstaff and use it straight away to be even more of a wiz at defence, or was it a different skill set?
And really the same question for all the Forms… and were some more effective when used with a Lightstaff, and some less - how would Form 2 (for example) work? Would it be disastrous used with a Lightstaff or still be effective?
Oh and how did a Lightstaff still work when cut in half, was it just two separate Lightsabers with a connecting mount?
Not sure I could see it. Darth Nihl, Darth Chratis, and the wife of Valkorian from SWTOR whose name escapes me comes to mind as notable saberstaff users. None of these people would even make it to the top 10 duelists of their era nor is their preferred forms catologued unfortunately :( There are a lot of visuals however for Darth Nihl as he is represented in a comic book series and I would go as far as to take an educated guess at either Juyo or Ataru.
Here is the problem with Soresu and a saberstaff. It's a very tight form based on momentum and speed(contrary to how we would view a defensive form in sword combat). It employs a lot of circular motions at its root that allow a force user to be able to slightly adjust their motions to counter incoming attacks. With a single blade, this means you're allowing the pommel to pass across your wrist a lot. with a double bladed saber you're using a lot of windmilling and slight course adjustments. In theory you can use the same principles for a saber staff as a double-bladed saber especially if the staff is made of saber-resistent materials. For a pure Soresu usage it would just be less effective the a double saber though. Your arguement for using one would have to be based on form switches mid-combat. That's the only way I could work through the usage of one in Form 3.
But that's just my opinion :P Maybe I lack creativity
A lightstaff would not be good with forms 2 or 3. You couldn't really do for 2 as it was a functionally fencing it was about tight elegant moves with little movement. A staff requires quite a bit of movement to engage the two blades. Similar reason for form 3 although 3 is defensive and 2 is more offensive and about redirection of attacks against you instead of blocks. if you wanted a saberstaff form VI was the go-to form form IV could also work and if you were sith form VII with something was great a la Maul.
The only confirmed user of Form III with a saberstaff (that I can think of) is Darth Zannah, the Sith apprentice of Darth Bane who featured heavily in the novels Rule of Two and Dynasty of Evil. In those books she uses Form III as a means of drawing out a fight while her mind works on Sith spells to be used against her enemies. While not the best duellist, it allowed her to keep up a reasonable defence against a rage fuelled Darth Bane in a couple of their duels.
Given Obi-Wan’s skill in other Forms like Form IV, I’d say he’d be pretty good with the staff, fluidly switching between Form III defence and Form IV offence.
As for the seven forms themselves and the saberstaff:
Form I - yes, I would say that both would be suited for fighting groups of people
Form II - no, difficult to use tight wrist movements and lunges characteristic of this form with a long hilt (unless it’s an Exar Kim style hilt, in which case you would still only use one blade).
Form III - yes, keep spinning the weapon and you have an impenetrable shield. But that’s all.
Form IV - yes, this form makes use of acrobatics and the entire body as a weapon; keep the body and both blades moving fluidly
Form V - yes, deflect and counter
Form VI - yes
Form VII - yes
Probably best to use paired lightsabers, they’re standard hilts that lock together at the pommels to make a saberstaff and just hope that if it gets cut in half, only the connector breaks leaving both hilts still fully functional.
@@ariesstorm9577 I think the original question was referring to an elongated hilt not a double-bladed saber. That was the reference I was working under anyway. Zannah used a double blade very effectively against multiple Jedi as a young apprentice not nearly in her prime yet but she wasn't the only one. Darth Maul practiced all 7 forms with a doublebladed and a single-bladed lightsaber. Fohargh also was considered adept in both Form 2 and 3 with a double-bladed lightsaber. Zez Kai-Ell, another double-bladed saber user taught Meetra Surik Form 4, 5(Shien), 6, and even 7. Exar Kun practiced Form 6, and Serro Xaj used form 5(Djem So)very well as well. I don't think a double-blade is considered un-usable in any form although I do agree that a Makashi variant seems un-optimized.
@@ariesstorm9577 You are right I forgot about Zannah. I do believe that the staff is more of a liability if you are looking to be a form III master. Forms I, IV, VI, and VII make much more sense if that's the way you want to go. I do like the idea of dual wielding and then connecting like Asajj Ventress.
You should do a series on how realistic it is to build Republic vehicles such as the LAAT, Turbo tank, and Venator on Earth
Vaapad isn't exactly channeling the dark side like Juyo with less corrupting effects, it's also tapping into and channeling your opponents aggression into your own moves with the force, basically like using their momentum against them.
It's "safer" because you yourself are not giving into the Darkside per se, but you are letting it guide your strikes. Most of the emotions aren't your own, but you're tapping into the power your opponent creates with their aggression, anger, hate, etcetera while also accepting and not suppressing your own aggression.
When you think about it, it may be the dirtiest lightsaber form of all. A Vaapad user doesn't have to suffer, hold onto, and stoke all the pain, anger, hate, and misery that Darkside users do to gain power but they get a portion of that power added to their own without the sacrifice.
The problem that arises is that you are feeling their emotions very intimately, entwining them along with that power into your own emotions and mental process, and letting it guide your blade in your strikes. You're letting the hate flow into you and through you then releasing it in an attack sequence. In a single duel, not much of a threat to the user, over time the corrupting influence can be devastating though. How many times can you truly feel and experience that level of hate and be able to let it go? How can you tell what emotional residue it is leaving and affecting you and can you always tell if it's all your opponents emotion or your own tightly controlled ones trying to slip through and out? How long can the pillar of your soul remain clean when you constantly submerge it in the dark souls of others? How long before your worldview starts to subtly change to be less merciful?
Also the mental and emotional tightrope you have to walk to both accept and use your own negative emotions without feeding or focusing on them is a feat of Zen mastery of the Self few people can accomplish in a lifetime of contemplation. Now think about trying to walk that line in a life or death duel when the power that could save your life and the galaxies from the Jedi point of view is already flowing through you and you just have to give in a little bit more....
Windu's self control and mental fortitude is absolutely stunning when you take in the full scope of what he's doing.
That's why Mace beats Palpatine, ( I have never bought that garbage story about Palpatine letting Mace win to help turn Anakin, Sith sacrifice others for their goals not themselves)he's not as powerful as Palpatine but he's using Palpatines own power against him. Like quicksand the more your opponent struggles the faster they sink.
Since Sith are generally about meeting and defeating opponents with more power and aggression than they can handle it's almost certain victory for the Jedi against an equally skilled Sith.
I think that against Vaapad, Form Three Soretsu would be the best counter with it's lack of aggression and focus on staying clam and collected while letting your opponent tire themselves out. You're denying the Vaapad user most of the power of the style. From there they have a choice of fighting less effectively with Vaapad, shifting to a style that isn't their primary, or giving channeling their own negative emotions and using Juyo. Not a good spot for a Jedi to be in.
I think for Sith(who rarely if ever use Soretsu) that Dooku's Form Two Makashi would be the best counter to Vaapad because of the tight discipline and emotional control of the style. A Makashi user would not be driven into the trap of trying to channel more of the darkside to overwhelm their opponent. They sit back, analyze, and deconstruct an opponent looking for weaknessess and then channel the darkside suddenly and with a laser focus for the attacks they know or at least believe will penetrate their opponents defenses because of the skill of the attack.. For much of the fight, the test attacks and parries, there would not be as much aggression for the Vaapad user to tap into.
Not that it's even fair to use Vaapad in this discussion. It's Mace Windu's and Sora Bulq's personally created Form. There's only Mace, Sora, and maybe four or five other people who ever learned the form and Mace refused to teach it after losing some of those students to the Darkside and blaming himself and the form for their loss. Unless you happen to be fighting one of them the style is literally never going to be relevant let alone an option for the Jedi as a whole.
They'd have an easier time breaking into the Great Library or scouring the galaxy for a holocron or Master to teach them Juyo while not getting caught by the Jedi council than learning Vaapad.
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Take a different angled perspective on these lightsaber forms; what en mass military tactics best utilized these forms?
300 Spartans vs all those Persians would be, to me, a decent example of Form 3…
Seriously make such a video, use football & other team sports and warfare to build an understanding & such…
well the phalanx uses the shields in order to overlap and let the guy next to you help absorb the impact on your shield. the guys behind you help to brace you as well. everyone using form 3 would be more like a roman maniple. the guys to the side of you would help block that direction from attacks, but they wouldn't aid your own defense in being better. it is also more flexible and able to shift turn and move easier.
Be down to earth, NightRaven 1901, because I’ve seen basketball players use force push & force pull on the balls as they dribbled…
I know what it actually is, but to the untrained eye it looks as if…
It's true. Everytime i smoke "medical" marijuana, i feel i can communicate telepathically. Or at least tele-pathetically
So death sticks
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Another great thing about form 1 is that when you take it to the max skill level, you become so fast and unpredictable that you get guys like Kit Fisto mopping the floor with General Grievous in seconds. It’s actually such a well balanced and underrated form. It’s got great defence, offence, and mobility because of its simplicity and it’s emphasis on using the force to guide your actions.This deeper immersion into the force amplifies augmentations and precognitive reflexes, making it an absolute hurricane on the battlefield. I’d kill to play as Kit Fisto in Battlefront 2 if they configured his style for AoE. Shii Cho has actually become one of my favourite forms in recent years because of Kit Fisto’s integration with it and form 4. Definitely much more than just disarming.
Cool thanks can’t wait to use these tricks against grievous!
Is it his personal goal to pronounce everything wrong
123bellacat some stuff sounds odd to me, but people pronounce things differently based on where they grow up or learn English, think about how some people say “water” and others say “wodder”
“A Jedi or a sith cant slow down time” dude play Jedi fallen order (it’s canon).
6:16 - I see what you did there. Your wit is well armed it seems.
We needed this so we can now know what to use
Hi Guys. Love the videos. I hope its ok to ask for an idea for you? Have you ever considered doing like a versus or comparison series on the aliens of sci fi? e.g. xenomorphs from Alien vs arachnids from starship troopers. or yuzhan van vs Yautja from predator? Or the orcs from 40k vs ???
Who you think might win between the 2 alien races?
I got the idea from one of the other videos you did where you explained the best armies and faction series - clone soldiers, 40k, avatar etc
Also, can anyon tell me. I been watching this channel for a while now but still havent got the reference towards dolphins? Sorry if im being slow, but whats the deal about the dolphins :) thanks
The forms I would choose to rely on the most would probably be forms 2, 3, and 5. 2 because I like to duel, 3 to counter blasters and a good defense, and 5 for powerful strikes. I prefer a well balanced approach, I guess Niman would be my go to form.
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"A jedi or Sith can't slow down time"
Me: *laughs in cal kestis*
In time of war, the form you want are the variation of form V shien and djem so.
Shien is focused on blaster redirection. Obviously not the impenetrable wall of form III, but you get a bit of offense.
Djem so is the form of domination, focused on the transition form defense to offense and on powerfull strikes. So to beat a master of djem so there are 2 solutions: overwhelming offense (grievous, master of Juyo) or unbreakable defense (Soresu)
I would like to suggest that Form V Shein variant instead of Soresu during the Genosis battle.
Soresu basically consists of tiring your opponent out but the Jedi were fighting droids. They won't become exhausted.
Shien is basically Soresu with a focus on deflecting the blaster attacks back at your opponents. Much more practical in this case.
7:46 What about light foil users? Most commonly Galactic Empire era nobility enamored with the idea of using an ancient weapon.
There was the saber guards as well, but they did have *some* Force abilities.
I love how much shade this channel throws at the jedi
My top three forms would be Makashi, as I'm a big dueling fan, Soresu for a good defense and Djem So for strong attacks.
Also that scream from sidious was also a sith scream which disorients force users, it allowed palpatine to kill the 2 jedi masters with ease, kit fisto needed distance with his lightsaber form and palpatine closed the gap. Mace just happened to use the form vaypad which was perfect for duelling sith
Some people think that in the fallen order game you can slow down time but u actually just speed up ur self up making everything else seem slow (there’s a game theory on it)
Form 5 -Djem So/Shien aka The Way of the Krayt Dragon.
Crushing attack, plus brutal defense.
(Only weak when ya don't have the high ground... or have OD'd on Dark Side Force energy...)
Grievous actually had defense against the force, at least force push, he was way to fast and had claws to hold him on the ground
And his own existence was powerful, the way he moved, the way he stalked his prey, the fear he caused was something that only proficcient Knights or Masters could overcome
(David Filoni hates Grievous so u never see this side of him in the show)
Would love to see a diagnosis of Kenobi’s fight with Maul and Savage (clone wars animated series). Not sure how much there is to actually analyze, as it IS an animated scene, but it would be interesting nonetheless.
Your non force sensitive segment really should've included teras skazi users, such mandos and praetorian/red guards, as well.
I think the answer is to master form 3 and include study of forms 2 or 7. Use Form 3 to staff your opponent then switch the more agressive form as soon as you see an opening. This is based on my experience as a sabre fencer when I was younger. Concentrate on defense till you learn the other person's tells then exploit them.
I'd probably use a hybrid of 2 and 3 bring an efficiency modeled defense method
Palpatine in the darth plagueis book also used a sith scream which only mace wasnt badly effected. It stuns the enemies
Resemble that opening remark
So I think one of the best ways to deal with form 3 without a light saber is by playing to form 3's strengths in others shooting an unstable blaster bolt that destabilizes when in contact with extreme amounts of energy like those in a light saber blade cause energy in the area to also destabilize then you just pop a cap in their ass to finish the job or you know when in doubt blow stuff up form 3 isn't going to block explosions as well as the hundreds of sharp metal shards being flung at them at the same time
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6:18 disarmament moves as anakin is disarmed of his arm
Your right I got sold some death sticks on coruscant yesterday
5:44 I just finished reading path of destruction, and it was the 4th battle of ruusan
I always thought the ultimate dualing technique would be through using a hilt changing lightsaber that would switch between straight and curved and the weilder would use forms 2 and 3.
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MY STYLE IS MAKE THEM GO BOOM BEFORE THEY CAN MOVE
(Basically see enemy launch nuke)
I have that same snowboard on the left.