Kia EV6 GT | A Marketing Super Car
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
- We discuss the pros and cons of the Kia EV6 GT, the high-performance cousin of the upcoming Hyundai Ioniq N. The marketing claims supercar-like performance; however, the realities differ. Other EVs to consider are Tesla Model 3, Mustang Mache E, Audi E-Tron, and more.
#cars #engineering #technology
Index:
00:00 Interior and Exterior
1:44 Mechanical Impressions
5:07 Driving Impressions
13:35 Final Thoughts - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I own a Kia EV6 GT. It's my first electric car. I have owned many "affordable" performance cars in the past. I think Mark hits many important points here. It's fast, but not very communicative. It's quiet and smooth, but not enough to be a luxury car. It's all those things. I had an RS3 Audi that I loved, but it was at the dealership with issues more than I would have liked. I had a Lexus ES300H that I loved because it was extremely quiet and smooth but was very limited in performance. The EV6 GT bridges that gap for me perfectly. I've taken several day trips with it and on the highway it returns better than expected range. (I've gotten 250 miles out of a charge) Once you step on it, that range tanks fast. To have the automotive experience that Jack and Mark have, would make me very critical of most cars. I haven't driven a 10th of what they've driven. Being ignorant of what's out there makes a lot of these cars better to the average joe. Still, I value their opinions but with some reservation. The best car I have ever driven is probably middle tier for them. My starting and ending points for what's good are much closer together.
I’ve driven one. Chirping all 4 tyres off the line is definitely entertaining.
My driving history is mid too. WRX, then Audi S3, then Passat R36 (most disappointing car), then Mercedes A45 first gen (favourite car), then Audi S4 which was very reliable and good fun, and now a Mercedes GLA45S which would be hard to give up.
Did you pay over MSRP? I owned KIA Stinger and looking for EV as 2nd car. I was looking forward EVGT however for 60k with 15-20k over MSRP did not make any sense!? For same price Model X but End up Model Y performance 52k and tax credit $7500.
@@aymanlockhartable No. I received approximately $8000 off MSRP with various rebates and by financing through KIA. KIA had a competitive APR.
@@forrysc Wow thats nice!
I have the EV6 GT, and my other car is a heavily modified GR86 in pursuit of as much feedback/sharp handling as I can manage because that is what I value most.
In general EVs have the worst driver feedback imaginable. The tires in particular seem to be a huge part of the problem, as EV tires are designed for high weight load and low rolling resistance - things that numb them in terms of delivering information about what they are doing. But I don't think that this video was entirely fair in the analysis here - the feedback on this vehicle was one of the primary reasons we chose the EV6 GT in particular, as it was the only EV in our price range that felt like you were driving an actual vehicle and not a toaster.
At the end of the day these are just station wagons for hauling the kid's soccer gear and driven by the wife with the instructions "don't press the green button" - no one is seriously considering these for a drift session, track day, or canyon carving. They should be judged against their actual competition - not dedicated performance vehicles with nearly five times the price tag like this video did. There is value in being a jack of all trades, master of none.
I feel like they were judging the EV6 GT here not on its merits, but rather as an entirely different kind of vehicle they are hoping will soon exist. In their defense Kia has been all over the map with what they want to try and market this vehicle as, so if you are going by Kia's "it's a supercar" line then I both have a bridge to sell you, and their criticisms make more sense. Overall I'd agree with you that this review feels like it is valuable information, but out of touch with a more normal person's experiences and needs.
Touch screen ‘buttons’ need to be banned from consumer design schools world wide. There should be a cane in every classroom specifically designated to punish offenders.
touch buttons are a cost saving measure. Proper manufacturing of physical items is becoming a lost art.
Naaaaah... just wait people crashed or getting killed at traffic incidents because of those stupid things, just wait... it's worth waiting and... worth the lives 😈
I dont even understand how these pass safety trials. They rag about people using mobile phones in cars, but dicking around with the touchscreen attached to your car is fine.
Just so companies can cut corners on tooling for physical buttons.
as said its a cost thing, but also conversely a 'premium' thing for late millennials onwards as long as the screens dont lag (and few Korean cars do) and those morons are too busy staring at the screen to care about whether its actually effective in a CAR
For that reason expect the oncoming deluge of Chinese electrics to take from the Korean template, not the "I have more than two braincells to rub together" Japanese one
Boomers - screen type buttons are much better. They can be reconfigured and redesigned after the delivery has taken place. On top of that voice actuation is a thing if you are too scared to quickly glance at the screen while you are driving
I currently own an EV. I agree with Mark that these things make great daily drivers, grocery getters, and work taxis. I don’t think sporty driving feel is going to be a thing for a while for EVs. There is a light at the end of the tunnel though- more people are now opting for manual transmissions. This means that enthusiast cars aren’t going to disappear as the EV revolution ramps up. What it does mean is that you’ll now have to own both a work taxi, and an enthusiast car. The good thing is- your EV work taxi will save you money, need less maintenance, and you’ll be able to focus your enthusiast car on what you want to do with it instead of compromising it by driving it every day. EVs will get more affordable, and have longer ranges. Even my slow little Bolt is a freaking rocket in traffic making it very easy to avoid the speeding Tahoe sporting 26” wheels, or that pristine F150 4WD with 44” tires!
The problem to many is not that EVs can be added to well-off families with 3 -car garages. Rather, it's that mandates were created that all other powertrains, including excellent hybrids must be eliminated from our choices. Those who live in apartments or rented houses in cold climates will likely not have the best solution for their transportation needs if choices are eliminated.
@@davepaturno4290they won’t be
@DH-og5yr Let's hope not. A change in presidential party will help.
@@DH-og5yrThey already have been.
I have an EV6 GT. It is my first EV, but far from my first performance car. Yeah it's heavy, yeah the steering is overboosted. He raises valid points about the chassis not communicating much- which makes sense, it's full of heavy batteries that will dampen the subtle inputs we learn to expect from well sorted cars. That being said, I don't think it's as bad as Mark says. It's still an absolute riot to drive. I've never not realized I was burning tire. Adding oversteer with your foot will never not be fun. The 0-60 is a fun trick to scare unsuspecting passengers, the flat torque curve makes it predictable and easy to push.
On a whole it's an exercise in compromise- a large, comfortable commuter car that can carry a family, be comfortable on the highway, tear up a mountain road, do giant smoky drifts, and sell for $55-$60k is always going to be, be it gas or electric. You aren't going to get all of everything no matter how you slice it- you always lose something. I came directly off of a Fiesta ST into the EV6. It had a better chassis and suspension that the Kia, without question. It was also tiny, rough, loud, uncomfortable for any sort of distance, and cost twice as much to run.
One point that always grinds my gears is the discussion about EV range when you drive like a clown. But like... gas cars are like that too. The ST did 12 MPG at track days. My friend's C6 does 4. It comes with the territory. The real complaint is that there should be more chargers around, and especially at tracks, and I agree with that completely.
Overall my point is that while this is clearly a negative review that touches on valid points, you could do a lot worse if your wants and needs line up with what it offers. I wanted a comfortable, efficient commuter car with a split personality as a crazy muscle/sports car, and I got exactly what I wanted. It won't be right for everyone, and it's not supposed to be.
Agreed 100%. My EV6 is every bit as fun as my last ICE daily/track car. Only thing missing was the noise, which honestly was hugely made up for with the insane amount of power. I have noticed though, and my only beef with SG, is that Mark especially seems overly harsh with EVs, except in maybe that recent Lucid long video. Jack seems to be much more in tune with the realities and compromises of EVs instead of just bashing them just because they're EVs. Mark isn't necessarily wrong in his statements but definitely being overly negative and simplistic and assuming the worse case scenarios are the most frequent scenarios.
As a Fiesta ST owner actively shopping for an EV or PHEV that’s big enough for two child seats, this resonates. I am really going to miss the everyday, all-speeds fun and playfulness of the Fiesta. Your 12mpg on track comment made me think “drive harder!,” but I checked my own records and … 11-12mpg on track in my Fiesta also. Glad the EV6 is working out for you. It’s on my list but I am trying to hold out for an Ioniq 5N.
Agree 100%
EV6 GT for the daily drive, Porsche 997 relegated to Sunday mornings, NSX for special occasions and a BAC Mono for track days. The KIA can absolutely hold its head high amongst those cars in my experience, it’s a brilliant thing.
POV: You just bought a Toyota Supra A91, and decided to pick the automatic since it has the quicker acceleration times. You pull up to a traffic light feeling all smug cause you have a pretty quick car. All of a sudden you hear a plastic booming sound, and a Kia EV6 GT with a baby on board sticker pulls up playing Lil Baby on full blast. When the light turns green you hear a quick screeching of tires and the Kia is gone...
2040: if you don’t have a 0-60 in 2 seconds car you’re slow
Here in Southern CA, most EV6s are not GTs, so the vast majority of EVs will be left in the dust against a Supra B58 and even fewer EVs will out-accelerate a C8 Corvette. A 2017 NSX hybrid is on par with a C8 as far as acceleration. But I agree with Mark that for point a to b commuting to work, the EV6 GT and some higher end model 3 Teslas represent bragging rights for the fastest bang for the buck in a straight line.
Make no mistake though, on a tight, curvy road, a Mazda MX5 Miata will leave all those very heavy EVs in the dust for half the cost.
@@davepaturno4290So true...I love when Tesla guys try to flex because, unless they have a Plaid, I'll annihilate them in my little 6 cylinder. lol
I don’t see lil baby blasting, baby on board sticker rocking people being able to afford this car lol
Drag racing is boring though so it hardly matters.
I own a GT (my 3rd EV after 2x Bolts, 1st gen and facelift) and took it to the track and it was an absolute beast. A VW GTI was my last ICE car and this thing feels nearly every bit as nimble (though much heavier, but it hides its weight well). I strongly disagree with mark on how numb this feels. Sure, it doesn't have the liveliness of a track tuned ICE car but not once did I feel like I was missing out on anything other than the ICE noise. My driving instructor even remarked about how well it felt. And yeah, probably none of the average Joes getting these will drift/track these, but a few of us will, and I'm already needing new tires after only 6000 miles do to having so much fun with it. Also strongly disagree with mark with how inaccurate the range indicator is. I find it MUCH more accurate than the Bolt's by a long shot, like I actually fully trust this one. I don't have the breadth of experience the SG crew has in terms of different quantities of cars drive but definitely much more than your average joe and with more than enough autox and track experience to have a baseline. And no I'm far from a KIA shill, but from a mere mortal perspective, it's an excellent car for what it is, the performance is unbeatable at this price point (especially in turns, it's not a straight line car like most muscle cars) build quality is very good, and it really turns heads and will likely age well aesthetically.
My biggest gripes with this car are a lot of the convenience features are excruciatingly frustrating and poorly thought out. The car will automatically unlock, but when I approach it from the copilot side, it will unlock, and by the time I walk back to the charging plug, then circle around to the driver door, it locks itself up. If the radar sensors detect you're too close to an object (ie a wall in the garage) the car will stop creeping altogether (like an automatic would at idle on D) so the only way to move is to press the throttle, which only results in the car moving in jolts since it's holding the brakes for you making it impossible to slowly and accurately creep closer. The car wont automatically lock itself when walking away (my bolts did). The preconditioning lasts only 20 minutes (vs 40 minutes on the bolt). If you park the GT while running and leave, it will not let you lock it. The bolt however would still lock itself and would stay running for up to 2 hours unattended which was awesome when running errands on a very hot/cold day. NO WIRELESS PHONE CONNECTIVITY IN 2023 FFS, you need to get a dongle, apparently it's some licensing issue that KIA was too cheap to pay for. Settings like automatic high beams and single-pedal drive mode ALWAYS get reset after every time you turn the car off (the Bolt would remember the last settings). There's tons more useability annoyances I"m probably forgetting. It feels like they strictly used the german engineers they poached from BMW etc for the driveline and interior (which is a good thing), but left the software and everything else to the engineers that were in charge of the original KIA Rio decades ago.
IDGAF about the "Short" range as it's more than enough to criss cross one of the largest metro areas in the US that I currently live at 4x without having to recharge, so my wimpy 120v wall wart is more than enough. I don't really do road trips (that's what plane tickets are for) but it still has more than enough range to get to the next largest city if need be, but with the ridiculously fast charging this thing has I'm not worried at all going long distances as it charges not much longer than your average gas-up/pee/snack break takes. Coming from a chevy bolt with painfully slow 50kw "fast" charging the 18 minute fast charge time on these is absolutely mind blowing. Being able to plug in at 10%, walk a little ways to a restaurant, put my order, sit down, get my food, then check the app and see my car is already at 50% charge, and by the time I get back in it it's north of 85% is genuinely shocking.
In all honestly I really miss the bolt, it was surprisingly a much better thought out car in terms of convenience and well designed features (supercruise is AMAZING), but as a car guy, it's hard to say no to nearly 600hp and good looks, and MUCH better build quality (low bar when comparing to a GM product I suppose). It's a perfect daily that you can take to the track straight from the factory without any need for mods.
It could be a bit of a Nissan GTR (R35) sort of problem, it can be engaging but you need to either be on a track, or have experiences from it in your memory when driving more sane, a taste of knowing where you are at and what its capable of. Steering and brake feel aside since i think its hard to argue against the state of those in this, its probable there is a lot of good its more just a issue of how much work the car does for you, being capable as it is, when huge part of the fun is being apart of the process especially at legal road speeds without pushing that hard.
As a car guy i think you might understand the comparison although a odd one, back when the R35 came out and even with R34s that got tested by international press the big problem was just how "normal" or disengaged they felt at road speed. This car has even more of that and to be fair its a problem for anyone looking for a sporting car, especially if they never do or have done track stuff where you can still play the game, learn traction limits, all that and have it a bit on your mind when just tootling around.
@@Ottobon I see what you're getting at and mostly agree. That being said it doesn't take much for these to get tail happy even tooling around especially in the rain. But yes I will concede driving like an old lady is easy in this car and relatively mundane and to me a huge part of the appeal. I don't want to have my teeth rattled and ear drums blown every single time I go get groceries or drive to work. But I love how with just the push of a button I get that option when need be (minus the noise part of course in this car at least)
As a previous Bolt owner I agree with much you said about the Bolt. However, you’re comparing an EV6 to a Bolt which is an unfair comparison. You’re truly comparing apples to oranges, particularly in price, range and build quality. The good news is GM is bringing back an Ultium Bolt and that’s good news. Bolt, old and new , for the win.
@@letsgobrandon5800 With GM's current battery constraints for Ultium packs they're not going to be making Ultium based Bolts for at least 2 years. Last month they were still making some Ultium packs by hand since they didn't have enough cell packagers. When they make a decent profit on a Silverado or Hummer they're not going to put Bolts on the market as loss leaders - or at least I can't see them doing so with this strike going on.
Turning off auto hold makes maneuvering in tight spaces like a garage much easier. No more jolting.
I always appreciate the straight-forward honesty with their reviews. I am on the edge of my seat waiting for the Ioniq 5 N review. Every time I search google for news on it and see the same articles from June/July I get sad. So excited that new content and information will be coming out very soon!
The 5 N is my most eagerly anticipated car. There are lots of Korean language videos out. I don't know what they're saying but they seem to be having a good time. And Top Gear has added it to their Speed Week videos and it's the last car mentioned in their recent teaser video. Should be good.
I hate EVs so much but I have an Elantra N right now and feel like i might have to get a 5 N because of what it can do transmission wise and have pops and bangs from exterior speakers
"None of their other cars have great dynamics..." Elantra N would like a word.
Thats a different story (i should have mentioned it)
I can't wait until we see the next generations of all of these cars. I'm sure it is going to feel a lot like how the cellphone did, we all have old phones in drawers lol
No kidding, not only that, you will be able to buy cars with similar capabilities as this for their REAL price of 20-30 grand not 45-65 grand which is in fact a rip off.
The days of decent cars under $35K are over.
Lol we absolutely have a phone graveyard. Why are we keeping them? I have no idea but it's neat to take out the blackberry or slide phone with full qwerty keyboard and tell my daughter, "this is what phones USED to look like"
Throw away cars.
Exactly. The first generation of electric cars are now fancy golf carts.
Summary: “really really hoping this car isn’t a set up for [N] because it’s on the same fundamental foundation, on the same architecture, and if it’s going to feel like that it’s going to be a pile shit.” Mark just lays it on at 8:50
can't take him seriously after watching Mark's Lucid Sapphire review.
As always, I LOVE the candor of this channel. Mark does Not mince words. Thanks for another honest review from a buyer's/ driver's perspetive.
I think the regular EV6 or Ioniq 5 are just a lot more compelling. The AWD versions are plenty fast and they have more range and more comfort. I do like the EV6 GT and what its trying to do and I appreciate Hyundai and Kia making the effort. The price-point is good and the cars that come after this one will benefit from what is learned.
I test drove this, and man, I've had a wide smile on my face. I haven't experienced that since test driving the Genesis Coupe, Accord Coupe V6, and TLX Type S.
Me too. It's smooth and just accelerates easily. Went ahead and bought it. Getting 270 miles of range in ECO mode. NO need to crank up the GT in bumper to bumper rush hour traffic.
This is the perfect length video . When I see an hour an a half, I don’t even bother
This is a great review. It explains the concept of “feel” versus specs better than anything else I’ve seen on CZcams.
Great review was always guys. You nailed it when you said about these cars are in their infancy Mark. We just leased a 2023 Kona SEL electric. So far, the range is better than we expected. It’s a great car firm point a to point b. We leased it because we know that the technology will be changing rapidly in the 3 years we leased it for.
These are extremely popular in the Knoxville,TN area. I saw atleast a half dozen of them within about 30 mins of driving around today.
Have one for 10months. Don't disagree with your observations, but I will add that for the money it's still the most involving (performance) EV on the market.
Note: I'm not too bothered by the range, and here in Denmark it cost less than an I30N due to taxation.
Thanks for the review
Strong disagree, i4 40 E Drive is RWD platform and much more engaging, and cheaper at 60k, it also gets vastly more range, and the 0-60 numbers they advertise are 0.9s faster than advertised with rollout (0.6s faster without rollout). So 4.8s and 5.1s respectively. However, if all you care about is going fast, then you should just get a M3P, and they have a superior charging network, range and software.
Also when I got it, it was 5k cheaper too after all the performance options (breaks, msport suspension, luxury package), so about 5k in options.
I traded in my Taycan 4S for one, its essentially 75% of the performance (a bit worse steering and driver position) for less than half the money... hard to justify. Vehicles I test drove:
Mini Cooper SE, BMW i4 M50 and i4 40 edrive, EV6 GT, Taycan Taycan 4S, M3P (twice), Model S (suffered from being too wide like the Taycan IMO). So not a ton of EVs, but most the 'sporty' ones.
@@PhonyBologna You are confusing models.
@@trykpaa Care to elaborate?
Not at all disagreeing with certain aspects, but i also don't test drive nearly the amount of cars you do, so i can't compare. But i have a GT for a few months now, and i really, really enjoy this car. Have a level 2 at home and at work. I get in the car and smile. That's the key for me.
Looking forward to the Ioniq 5 N reviews! I hear it's a different animal.
We just need 2 cars
8 inch ground clearance Prius and Sienna
No but I'd seriously buy a Prius Cross with 8 inches of ground clearance and looks exactly like the new Crown Sport but smaller and take it snowboarding
For real. No one needs 99% of the cars on the road.
Trucks for contractors and construction workers
Prius for the masses
Sienna for family.
That is it. You can literally throw the rest of the consumerist bullcrap out the door. Toyota's run for 300k+ miles on oil changes and nothing else, so why do we keep making shit.
Wastefulness.
I’ve owned a lot of cars, people give me funny looks when I tell them the Prius is possibly the best car that exists
I own a '15 prius. It's not a bad car. It's just slow as hell....and everyone on the road HATES it and you.
@@Unchainedmaple888 I want a 911 Dakar for that haha
Your intro to the conclusion is 100% accurate. I just hope the manufacturers don’t read lack of people willing to buy first gen problems, as a general lack of demand for EVs.
I personally love the sound and feel of a V8, but the EVs have so much potential in all arenas pretty much
This is the car that a wife calling in to the Dave Ramsey show said her husband bought for way too much money and now they are in terrible debt 😅
Great video and good points. I am in charge of the electrification transition at a Tier supplier to the auto industry and I agree that the amount of disruption and engineering advancement that the industry is going to see over the next 10-15 years is huge. When people challenge me about the switch to electric vehicles, the cost, the range, the charging infrastructure, etc. I remind them that we are in very early days of this transition. People had to get fuel from their local hardware store in tin cans when the Model T came out and the roadways were still cart paths for horses. It took us 120 years to get where we are today with ICE technology and infrastructure and I think we need to realize that the speed of this transition is astonishing considering the complexities involved.
Ok final point putting my "car guy" hat on. I am a current Stinger GT owner as my daily and I also have 3 other V8 powered American vehicles in my fleet. I will also miss the involvement and noise of these cars being available, but I was considering replacing my Stinger with an EV6 GT. Even with your review of it being numb and perhaps too isolated, I have two V8 manual sports cars to have that driver involvement. So as a daily driver, I think it is an ok option (manual adjusting non-cooled seats in the EV6 GT though...really?!). My problem is I paid $45,000 CAD for Stinger new in 2020 and now the dealer wants almost $90,000 CAD for an EV6 GT. It is not twice the car and I am not going to save $45,000 in fuel. I would convert my daily drivers to EV's and lease them for the next few years...but the cost just makes no sense. Period.
Your point about EVs being early doors is a good one. A lot of people see the challenges of EV adoption as a roadblock instead of a hurdle. The industry is not doing anything to help that though. I've been waiting for someone (that isn't Tesla) to make a small and attractive electric sedan. Instead, automakers are so focused on big, heavy, long-range SUVs and pickups that just create a whole new set of issues. We're already seeing damage to roadways, collapsing parking structures, high tire wear, longer braking times, and other things like battery disposal and replacement costs for these big, heavy EVs.
If you zoom out though, the solution to cars isn't electric cars. The infrastructure in NA is built to accommodate cars and not people. Even as an enthusiast myself, the obsession with the automobile is not sustainable, and a transition to EVs is just moving the problems around.
Kia seems to be doing a great job of selling cars that people need with like 80% of the luxury features people want.
#1. GM,
#2. Toyota,
#3. Ford,
#4. Hyundai-Kia 👏👏👏,
#5. Stellantis,
#6. Honda
USA sales rankings.
Hyundai-Kia doubled sales in only 30 years!
Hyundai-Kia #1 in 5 years?
lol Kia 🤮
@@CKY1942Probably not after the no-immobiliser in 80% of their cars up to 2020 making them stupidly easy to steal. EV6 is a great car, but the mistakes of the past will haunt KIA/Hyundai for a while, just like dieselgate haunts VW.
Appreciate your honest review
Nitpick: The tradeoffs are being discussed in a great way! And then "frunk utilization" comes in. Having a frunk, or the size of the frunk, is absolutely a tradeoff of the interior space of an EV. Would you rather have a bigger frunk or more cabin room?
Funny, to the point and honest, great video, made me chuckle the final thoughts.
This is going to be a quick video on EV6 GT: video is 17 mins long 😂
Yeah, in the land of SG that is quick. Beware the term "deep dive" with the geese.
The South Koreans have been killing it lately. Genesis, Kia, Hyundai, always impressed me in terms of value for performance and comfort. Very excited to see they are among the top of the EV game so far, only behind Tesla in usability and comfort.
#1. GM,
#2. Toyota,
#3. Ford,
#4. Hyundai-Kia 👏👏👏,
#5. Stellantis,
#6. Honda
USA sales rankings
You're a sucker for style over substance. 😅
I've had my gt for about 3 months. Only other "sporty" car I've ever owned was a Golf V R32 and that was a while ago so hard to compare. I upgraded from a 2014 BMW i3 which to be honest was far more fun to drive than you'd think, but battery was down to about 60-70 miles. I have the matte gray paint which sucks to take care of but this is the first car I've owned that people stop to take photos of. I read (not confirmed) that the non-electric seat choice was to get the driver position as low as possible and less to just add sports seats because sports car. It is a confusing car, because it's a good GT but not enough range to go cross country, has sports seats but it's a GT car etc. IMHO it's very controllable and I don't really know what they're talking about re tires, I can tell what the back end is doing, I haven't drifted it yet but seriously looking at tracking it. I honestly could have stretched and got a used Taycan, but even a used base Taycan is +$30k and for my 10 mile commute + weekends not worth it. I actually got mine for $6k under MSRP.
The Taycans have been very troublesome as far as reliability.
Great review!
It's a revelation to find reviewers who are truly looking out for the consumer. Thank you so much and keep up the good work.
5:15 I see 2 happy dude 😁🤘👍
I test drove last years model and it's a fun drive, for me at least. I do agree with how obsolete these 1st gen EVs will be down the road. It's hard to justify spending all that money on a car that will, HOPEFULLY, see large improvements on efficiency and range. I still wish Plug-in Hybrids got more time under the R&D process. I think that was the next future for cars, and then possibly EVs decades later. The EV tech developed now would ideally improve Plug-in Hybrids range and efficiency and so on.
I get what you say about feedback but I think you’re going over the top here. All of this is prefaced with ‘assuming the range works for you’ve cause if not, well the best car is a Tesla Model 3 Long range. But if it does then the EV6 GT has few downsides over the regular model, it’s hardly any more expensive, has a nicer interior, I think it handles better and of course has that extra power.
Unlike driving a V8 BMW coupe, or a 911 (both of which I did prior to the KIA) it does the trade off between utility car and sports car much better, remembering that 95% of the time you want utility not sports.
I’m delighted with mine, it’s saving me huge amounts of money compared with daily driving my 997, and that feels more special now I just keep it for weekends. I don’t need or want a car to drift in my daily drive, just something fast and refined, the EV6 does this brilliantly.
(When I want ultimate feedback I’ve got my BAC Mono and Honda NSX)
this interior looks MUCH better than the Ioniq 5 and 6 IMO....
1:13 The "legacy lag" in the UI is strong enough that he pressed "Setup" twice. Legacy lag is a hidden reason many hate touch UIs. While a physical button may be best, a touch UI is workable if it responds immediately to input. When it lags and causes the user to doubt whether their input was captured, both frustration and danger risk is cranked way up. Eyes will need to move to the target again to (re)confirm the target, another press is made, etc. Legacy lag is dangerous.
Mark and jack are the dads of my food baby
Sounds like my dudes need to put in some stiffer dampers and bushings, turn off some steering nannies, and maybe trade out that steering column. Ditch some NVH for good measure. I feel like the magic for making a communicative, connective sports car is right on the tip of the tongue for most automakers, they just gotta give up the illusion of luxury
Balls to publish a review like this. Thanks dudes
Balls to peddle bullshit as a shill? Err not really.
Interesting, honest. Thanks.
Brutal fact is that when moving into EV era, focus has been transfered to software instead. Analog to mechanical watch replaced by Apple watch, customers was fascinated how those gears work and now are more interested in which apps can fit in the newest smart watches. And that's still fun and new
Actually, mechanical watches are still very popular. I have a large cell phone with stylus that is highly useful. The last thing I'd want is a tiny screen that is mostly off because its battery would die if it were left on all day.
The watch market is bigger than ever. Tf you talking about
Mechanical watches have absolutely not been replaced by the Apple watch. That was some dumb ass shit
“Contra code” lol
It's crazy how inefficient some of these cars are compared to the old BMW i3. My 60 mile commute with a near 50 mph average speed is around 5 Mi/Kwh and my overall average over the last year of ownership (including cold weather driving) has been 3.9. I really hope we see more cars pushing the 4+ efficiency range so no one has to drive around with an entire mine of batteries below them.
The i3 was a rear wheel drive tiny commuter car. This is a performance oriented SUV/crossover.
The i3 was an expensive, tiny car. Of course it can be more efficient.
I don't even get 2mi/kwh in my Wrangler 4xe but it's good for a brick
We just fixed a transmission on a i3 with 90k miles. Transmission cost was $500 wholesale price. The i3 is a perfect city car.
More EVs should focus on aerodynamic efficiency rather than being a tall crossover with a massively inefficient front profile.
Great take! Thank you SavageGeese!
Would love to hear your take on the Fisker Ocean!!
As a performance/fun option I agree with your assessment 100%. I just bought an Ioniq 6 AWD and while the torque from a standstill is fun it’s pretty much lifeless otherwise.
As a commuter/everyday option though I genuinely think EV’s have leapfrogged ICE cars already. If you are in the market for a nice-ish everyday car for around 40-50k I think any of the newer gen EV’s (Ioniq 5/6, latest model 3, normal EV6) make way more sense than something like an IS or TLX.
Depends on what you want in your daily driver. All three of those options were a "nope" for me personally, and I bought an IS. I work from home, though, and want a car that isn't totally devoid of emotion - the IS at least has some character with a V6 and stainless exhaust, and for me, the design is better inside and out. I stare at three 24" panels, my cell phone and a company phone for 8-9hr a day...I don't want that shit in my car.
I really want more driver engagement, and the good parts of that need to not be forgotten like it almost feels as if they are with so many recent cars. However on flip side making it possible for a car to become disengaged from the experience is less tiring if your intent is to use as little mental effort as possible while still driving safely on the road.
I think the pan may be making it a bit worse then it is as a whole, it wouldn't be as bad to buy and own as in some ways made out, but i agree with the complete lack of tolerance their stand takes, that pretending certain things like steering and brake feel don't matter is simply unacceptable. Not that Hyundai/Kia intentionally did that, early days with EVs and all, but truth is everyone hopes they can do better.
@@aprtur Nice choice man. A lot of people decry the "outdated" interior and all that, but personally, I really like it; simple and high quality. It also has some really good handling feel, and the engine sounds good with a nice exhaust. I liked mine so much I upgraded to an RCF 😂.
@@Big_Red1 thanks! I actually locked in a special order in '21 before Lexus had to shy away from that for a while due to the chip shortage, so I got lucky...kind of debating whether I should've opted for the ML, but I'm not hurt over it, since I put that money toward a correction/ceramic coating and front PPF instead. I find it funny when I see people cry about the interior - I think it's perfect with just enough tech, but not overbearing with screens (AA is really the most I need for tech), and I actually prefer the touchpad to the touchscreen, since I can relax my arm when using it. It's a nice blend of new and old (nice to still see a CD/DVD player!).
I'm jealous that you could spring for an RC-F...I'm not quite at that level. I would have loved to get an IS500, but they only finalized the announcement of it after I ordered. Having a hard time justifying the change now - I locked in 2.9% with $1500 cash back when I bought, and the rates on the 500 are high now in comparison making the gap even larger.
@forrestedgar2776 Here in CA, premium gas is $6.50/gallon which means no V8 engine-powered vehicle for me.
3.2 seconds 0-60 + drift mode in a Kia EV crossover is fkg bonkers 😂
My God that was refreshing honesty!
Was refreshing bullshit. Ask any actually owner such as myself.
@Savagegeese love the review but a major flaw. A car starting at 61k MSRP (plus taxes, dealer fees etc) is NOT an affordable car. Especially in the current economy.
l think both of you guys hit the nail on the head with the assessment of the car. Like Mark said some of the things the Kia reps did not know because they don't have a need to know those things because in my opinion at the end of the day they made the car for the average person, not a car enthusiast that wants to get into EV's and the trend is going fast. I don't see any way possible to get a no compromise car for the price they sell their (Hyundai/Kia) cars at. Germans aren't just marking up their cars for the cash of it. But I give them credit they give you a lot of car for the money, but once you go Bugatti, McLaren, Porsche you will instantly notice something is missing when driving a Kia. But this is just my thoughts and opinion.
By the way I think it was still a great mini review.
Oh yeah, that sounds dynamic.
Jack listening to Electroswing in a Kia EV? What has the world come to hahah
Im surprised Kia let you guys anywhere near thier cars after what yall did and said about the Stinger! Just kidding 😅
If they did a video on their recalls, engine failures and fires over the last 10 years, I would be impressed.
@@C6v1999ahh the one brand hare continuea while you conveniently forget almost all MFGs. Have recalls.
#1. GM,
#2. Toyota,
#3. Ford,
#4. Hyundai-Kia 👏👏👏,
#5. Stellantis,
#6. Honda
USA sales rankings
Doesn't matter what he, scotty, or others say. Hyundai-Kia is on its way to becoming #1
😂😂😂
@MK3504 Yeah, like Toyota's unintended acceleration catastrophe, where Toyota CEO had to go to Washington to apologize for their deadly junk. Hyundai-Kia CEO never had to go to Washington.
@@MK3504Yeah, like Honda's Takata Airbag massacre.
"We asked our Kia/Hyundai rep and they have no idea". This sums up my experience bringing my G70 in 4 times for 6 separate issues. God only knows how awful these EVs will be for Hyundai to "maintain".
Thanks to many people willing to beta-test these early EV platforms/vehicles. I"ll pick up an EV in a decade or so. I'm guessing everything should be up to snuff by then.
Right now a PHEV (like the RAV4) would be my first choice.
2:40 The acceleration figures given in this video are incorrect. It says 0-60 mph in 3.4 seconds right on Kia’s website. Dragy results show a true 0-60 mph of as quick as 3.2. 1/4 mile time given in this video is wrong too. It is an 11.3-11.4 car. I don’t know where you are getting your numbers from but it was easy to verify that the numbers you gave were incorrect.
Hyundai-Kia, their EV technology is quite competitive compared to most companies. Go look up all the data. It's available if you know what they're talking about. For the price they offer this much, it's a steal.
I ubered into the city a few weeks ago and my driver had one of these. I asked him how fast it was and he floored it for me. These things are legitimately fast.
Damn, I should've done that.
Ofc it is. It's electric- it's some of what SG talked about in this video
@@cyanprince00 not all electric cars are fast. This car is way faster than any electric car I've ever been in. The video downplays how fast this car actually is.
@@anthonykiedis1765 There was no downplaying tho. They talked about how fast it is, how it handles, it's marketing stuff against supercars. Jack did a 360 and floored it lol. It's just boring as a regular car when ur not flooring it with zero driver feedback.
There's 4 trim levels of this car even the Wind trim with the best range 4wd and 320+ HP/400 lb-ft or so torque is a 4.5 sec car. Thing is, EVs are quick just off the line cuz of power delivery to the motors spinning the wheel is almost instant-
unless ur talking about the Leaf which is a very early gen electric (but they're still quick)
@@cyanprince00 cool story bro.
can't wait for the I5N review
Would love a chart of miles/kwh (for all cars)
same, I hate that "MPGe" is the standard they've chosen in the US.
@@jasonyoung6420
MPGe is and always has been totally worthless.
Bjorn Nyland has that in all of his range test videos. Find a vehicle segment and look for videos, and he has the comparisons in great detail.
It looks the part, i was sure it would be fun to drive. The adjustable dampers and the front suspension changes looked promising to me. I'm interested at going EV, but i would like something smaller and less expensive but nice to drive.
Yep I daily an EV and have a trackday stick shift G35 with all the SPL Parts suspension bits, Öhlins coils, and Z1 Motorsports drivetrain things done to it with a solid disk clutch and a carbon driveshaft. The EV is technically faster but the G35 just feels absolutely alive, my only gripe is that I wish I could put a cable throttle on it cheaply, but still the response and feedback from a 90% analog setup like that is immediate and the car communicates everything it wants to do on track, the EV feels like I'm in a hovercraft/spaceship when it's pushed.
Drive a Lotus to truly know what road connection feel is.😏
Thanks a lot guys...Now i have to buy the Eletre....
Something to keep in mind is that the Lexus ES300h has a range of 700 miles. So if quietness, ride comfort, fantastic fuel efficiency, and ultra-reliability are your priorities (and let's not forget long trips without range anxiety), then skip the EVs.
Same with my Maverick - almost 700miles range, cheap, fits 5 and a bed in the back. We'll see about reliability
I don't see any reason to buy an EV6 over a Rav4 Prime with hooker/blow money left over.
So basically my 2022 Camry hybrid with a nicer interior? 😆
@@JasonISF ....and additional technology/status. I don't think your Camry has Heads Up Display as an option.
@@davepaturno4290 it does, it's the top SL model.
This thing is a head turner. I love looking at them out in the wild.
Selling me a car that's built on the ideas of the future and then telling me I have to plug in my phone is insane.
It looks quite nice, I think. I do wish it had knobs/buttons/switches instead of touch controls, but I can’t afford a new car so my opinion is irrelevant to Kia lol.
His ending statement was golden. Harsh, but true.
Savage geese with that heat 🔥
When this car reaches sub 30k its going to be interesting seeing videos of people getting gapped.
Another banger review by the boys, my thoughts exactly on EV "sports cars" they lack the dynamics and character that make them special. I dont do crazy speeds in my camaro its the sounds and feelings that make it worth the money to own a second car.
Also living in the Seattle area it seems like every second car is Tesla so good to stand out in the crowd :)
If anyone’s looking for one but can’t justify the outrageous prices some of these dealers ask for I know of one with 4,000 miles in bloomington-normal Illinois for $48,000. Bought my civic type r from them and they’re an honest dealer which is rare nowadays. Maybe look into it if you’re wanting one bad enough. (:
I have the same feeling about the BMW i4 that I just drove, super fast but zero steering feel, almost no brake feel and just very little driver involvement. BOOOOOOOOOOORING.
As someone who loves and wholeheartedly embraces your way of looking at cars (*and how the best of them should be), I can't thank you enough for this excellent (and hard-hitting) assessment of Kia's EV-6.
Of course, Mark and Jack likely know (in their heart of hearts) that most buyers don't care about the lack of engagement / feedback to the driver (which says something distressing about most buyers, but there you have it).
Always keeping it real.
Shame, but I get it. It would be great for my short commute and bouncing around town. Kind of a really nice golfcart!
A $60,000 golf cart.
casual race, non official lap time on german nurburg ring: 7:42
now let that sink in
I don't know about where you live but in mid Atlantic 350 kW DCFC units still aren't very common, though to be fair there are quite a few more then there were 2 yrs ago when we got our first EV, and EVGo and EA in particular do seem to be adding them.
Hard truth, but I think this is still very fair. Great project 👍
I wonder what you'd think of the MG4 x-power?
Similar power, performance and range as the ev6 GT for 1/2 the price.
How's it compare in feel to a Model 3 Performance?
Hopefully Hyundai gives you more technical details and the actual car turns out to be communicative 🤞. How long do I have to wait?
So what I’m hearing is if I have a 40 mile daily round trip commute to work, the best electric car with driver involvement available new today at a reasonable price is the mini cooper se?
Oh, Caravan Palace playing in the car :)
I just had a customer order a CR-V Hybrid that just got done with their Lemon Law case on the EV6 GT. Kia had to buy it back.
Since I lost all my senses I couldn't find a car that suited me...I think here I found.
I can't believe it's illegal to operate your cellphone while driving, but it's perfectly fine to scroll through 5 different menus on your touch screen in order to change something in the car. It's baffling
who reviews a performance/grand-touring version of a crossover as if it should be a sports car? come on guys...quit doing this. It's. A. Grand. Touring. Crossover. You do actually *know* what GT means, right? It's meant to be super quiet and comfortable on long distance drives, but be capable of the performance if you need or want it. It isn't a sports coupe. Yes the marketing would have you believe its a fun track monster (which it probably is in some ways). But review the car, not the marketing. You guys are always making this mistake and its the reason I haven't subscribed and don't watch your videos often. Contrast that with Kyle from out-of-spec who got this same car, did a very fun, informal review on it, had a blast, and just basically reviewed it as exactly what it is. Oh, and he also used it how it was supposed to be used...blasting down the Autobahn at high speeds. That's what a grand touring car is for. grand. touring. The EV6 GT is an awesome grand touring crossover, but a casual viewer of your video would never know it. If the Porsche 718 EV comes out and has poor feedback, for sure, you should lay into it. But this? And then your lecture about how current EVs suck and you shouldn't buy one yet, snuck in at the end of a review video but having nothing specifically to do with Kia or the EV6. Saying that a Tesla is only good for point A-B driving and that is their "niche"? You have to be really ignorant to not know that there are tens of thousands of people tracking Teslas all over the world and having a great time. Once again, another reason not to subscribe, and precisely why Kyle gets far more views and subscriptions. He knows just as much or more about the cars than you do.
can't wait till they review the Spectre
Good review. But I think to say that the Hyundai Motor Group, including Genesis, doesn’t do well on the handling side is missing a few vehicles including the Genesis G70, Kia Stinger, and a Genesis GV70, which I compared to the BMW X3 M40i, and chose over that, and I’m far from alone (see Doug De Muro’s review of the GV70). Don’t forget that they hired the head of BMWs M division amongst many others. Maybe it didn’t come through in this, but it definitely has in some of their other vehicles. FWIW, I drive an Audi e-torn at this stage because I wanted to switch to an EV, and got a great deal on a 2nd hand 2019 with low mileage. But I did have both a Kia Stinger GT2 and a Genesis GV70, and I’m a former BMW car nut.
Thank you for calling it like it is
I'm waiting for the N with a NACS plug. Range will be much less of a concern with the new Tesla superchargers that can take advantage of the high voltage charging capability of these.
electric cars are great but they don’t have soul, that’s what is great about classic cars you are a part of the experience, you can feel everything
I feel like Hyundai/Kia are absolutely killing it right now with their model line ups, especially the N line of performance vehicles. The EV6 is definitely the one EV out there I'd consider owning if I ever HAD to covert from gas.
Mark wants you to support Lucid and buy their new $200+K Sapphire.
@@tooltalk for $200k+, I can think of A LOT of other things I'd rather own.
#1. GM,
#2. Toyota,
#3. Ford,
#4. Hyundai-Kia 👏👏👏,
#5. Stellantis,
#6. Honda;
USA sales rankings.
Hyundai-Kia doubled sales in only 20 years. Only a few hundred thousand units behind Toyota. Hyundai-Kia will surpass Toyota within 3 years to become #2 in the USA!
i drive a model y performance and i agree, the speed is great but the fun ends with that. ive start wanting more driving connection and fun and its lead me to consider a miata as a second car
I daily an ND2. Absolutely love it. Makes commuting fun and running costs are cheap
hey! an assetto corsa reference? nice!
Have to upvote just for the interesting opinion