WAHOO KICKR CORE: First Rides and Full Details
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We get to have our way with a Wahoo KICKR Core to put it through the paces on both Zwift and TrainerRoad. From road feel to accuracy, features to functions, and comparison against the higher end KICKR 2018 - it's all here!
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About heightadjustment on the feets. I had an old trainer that i bought for $50 many years ago. Pretty bad, but it had the same rubberfeets, but with a difference. It had different height on the rubber every 60 degree, so you could rotate it to make a height adjustment. Wahoo should steal that idea, and it cost nothing extra really.
Comparing the Kickr and Core with the Neo and Flux is the freedom of movement in the Wahoo trainers to use the Climb. Even if not using the Climb it has I would think the potential to reduce dropout strain and wear.
Loving the videos featuring both of you guys! It's like when Worf turned up on DS9
I'm tempted by the core, but to be honest my snap is so great I don't feel a need to change it other than FOMO.
DCRainmaker,
Thanks for this video and the separate full review you wrote on the KICKR Core. It wasn't because you're giving the product a big thumbs up, but because of the honest and super-detailed coverage of the Core is why I just bought one. Keep up the good work to helping cyclists stay informed!
It's an interesting concept and the the quiet drive is a game changer for Kickr vs Neo. But checking the Wahoo site they're pricing this at £799 in the UK. For £200 more I can get the Kickr. Compared to the Direto and TacxFlux2 its target competition they're pricing themselves out. Should be £649 to £699 max. Direto is £600-650 now. Wahoo are you listening?
Seems they listened. Pre-order is £699. Definite challenger in the mid-range. May eventually kill off wheel-on imo.
Thanks for this vid that adds to your online blog review. It answers one of the big questions I had: Can you adjust the leveling of the feet with this unit. Right away I see that answer is "no" and I'll have to re-think this unit since my space is on a cement floor that isn't particularly level!
Like Dude!! The Neo is now £999 in the U.K. and blows everything out of the water. You don’t even have to plug it in. Also it flexes when you’re out of the saddle so it feels so realistic. The best thing about KickR is the software and easier to move around.
But the CORE is £699, so that's a 50% (lazy math) increase. I love/prefer the Neo too...but different price bracket.
DC Rainmaker I know, as much as I love your reviews I can’t make my mind up. I’ve been changing my mind for two weeks now. I have a wahoo bolt so that would be good with kickr. I have £1000 budget, the cyclops hammer looks very good for the money too.
Yeah, it's a tricky one. I don't think you'll go wrong with the Neo. The only outstanding question is whether or not you care about something like the CLIMB down the road. I also would note that I would put very little value on BOLT to KICKR integration, mostly because I suspect you'll rarely use such integration these days.
DC Rainmaker The Neo is in 1st place for now. I still think the cyclops hammer is good value over here.
DC you need a bigger budget mate, I'm sure you can do better that Shane as a model ;). Great work, and very cool to see you guys working together.
Hey DC, I know this is an old video but with any luck you’ll respond. I just got a kickr core and the power reads approx 10% higher than my Assioma’s. I know the pedals are accurate as they’ve been consistent over the past year with other power meters. Wahoo is saying it’s within range. Any thoughts?
It's going to bring the pricing temptingly close to the KickR Snap. Wish I had waited a year to buy my Snap. Wonder if they'll offer an upgrade incentive.
z.browning I thought the same only buying a Snap 3 days ago but once you buy a cassette etc it’s still another $550 additional. At least that’s how I sell it to myself 😛😉
I bought a used wheel from my bike shop and a new cassette already to not wear our tires on the trainer or have to switch to a trainer-specific tire every time I wanted to ride inside. That set up works well, costing about $100 total for the wheel and cassette, so not so bad. I also live in an apartment and could use the pretty much complete silence of a direct drive, especially with that new super-quiet belt. If they offer a trade-in incentive, I'll probably exchange it.
z.browning I’ve tried a complete slick 700x23 tyre and it’s completely quiet, can not hear the bike verses a new tyre I had that had more grip which made similar but quieter noise to the Kickr. I’ve tried both and the ride feel is only marginally better on the Kickr IMO. Where I struggle is getting my bike in the middle of the roller despite many adjustments made!! If I get it flush in the middle it’s far too loose??? Bizarre
Hi, is it possible to give some update for 2021, is it stil worth buying, were there any software updates that fixed some of your issues, improvements,...? Do you think they will release a new kickr core? It’s because I can buy on in a store for 659 euro’s. Is this a fair price or should I wait. Thanks alot and thanks alot for all the great content, always really helpful and very informative!
This kickr core seems like wahoos answer to Ultegra? Some of us will still want the best and buy Dura ace/kickr but is there really any reason to when this product exists? Also loving you and Shane working together! Great content
In a nutshell. There will always be the Dura-Ace's of the world, but as you pointed out...I think 99% of people are more than happy with saving a bit of cash for something still really solid.
What is the wheel size the rear axel is set to? Or maybe better put, what size wheel without a front wheel block would have the bike be level?
This jersey and bibs colors seem would match nicely the colors of my bike (Giant TCR SL 2 KOM 2017).
Two legends and in one RV. :)
Definitely temping because I've still got a wind trainer and OMG that gets loud and the lower price point. In NZD a Wahoo Kickr costs $1800.00
First off, great job on the review.
Do you think with the new trainer design, that the trainers are any more accurate than the 2017 KICKR models? Stats on Wahoo's website say that both the 2017 model and 2018 KICKR models are +/- 2%
Did you happen to ask Wahoo how they were able to keep the 2018 KICKR the same weight as the 2017 model (47 pounds) even though they added a 16 lb flywheel vs a 12.5 flywheel? Did they add titanium or something to reduce the overall trainer weight.
One of the reasons I bet they created the KICKR CORE was to address the trainer weight issue that some people had. Some people complained that the KICKR was a bit on the heavy side when trying to transport it.
The Elite Drivo 1/2 and the Tacx Neo are generally provably more accurate across more scenarios. As for the total KICKR weight, I tried to weigh it on my bike hanging scale, but that officially topped out at 44 pounds and gave an error (it usually weighs up to about 47-48 pounds though before it errors). I've gotta get the final/official boxed weight - since that keeps it under the 50 pound weight limit.
HI, how the different between kickr core with real ride on the street? is it the same feel?
Hey Ray (and Shane) - if its really just the drive belt that makes the new KICKRS that much quieter, do you know if Wahoo has any plans to sell said, new belt, to existing KICKR owner's as an upgrade? Love my KICKR, but would also love to shed some of its dB's!
Not sure if you're still looking for info, but in the DCR 2018 Kickr review Ray mentions that it's a different profile and needs different pulleys, so not retrofittable.
How was this unit while sprinting? I find the standard Kickr jolts and lifts when going for a spring, and would think that without support or clamps, the core setup wouldn’t work.
No issues. Both Shane and I gave it a whirl, and he brought it up to 1,500w. There was a fair bit of movement than I think Shane will show in his video, but it was also on semi-unstable gravel too.
DC, Just got my KICKR Core. One issue is the seed that registers on the Wahoo Element and on the various apps. I’m using. There seems to be a vast difference between ROUVY, Kinomap or Zwift. Is that the program, The Core or the Element. Which one should I pay attention too?????
Great video helped me choose the core over the expensive model love me core #zwiftriders
still love it after 10 months? any issues?
Thanks for a great video! Do you think the Kickr ‘18 carry handle could be retro fitted onto the Kickr Core if one were willing to drill and tap their own holes in the main beam? Thanks!
6:26 my face everytime I find out somebody is filming me.
Great video. Is the Core compatible with the Climb?
It sure is!!
Hi, I am failing to connect my garmin 935 to my kickr core. Do you perhaps have a solution to this issue.
Hi,there.
Is the kickr core support erg mode?does it can lock the watt when training at Zwift ?
Mine lasted just over 2000 km before a bearing went in the fly wheel.
great video...also saw your video on the Elite Direto XR...just wondering: if you should choose between the kickr core or the Elite Direto, which one would you go with ?
Kickr... Virtual Shifting 😊
So question on ERG mode: the KICKR has the best ERG mode on the market...how does the CORE compare? As good?
I’m looking at this to replace a Flux which has a crap ERG mode in terms of wattage floor.
Identical to existing 2017 KICKR in both my and Shane's opinion.
DC Rainmaker awesome thanks for the reply. So basically the best option at the price point then.
Yup, that'd be a pretty accurate summary. :)
Is that good?
I bought the Drivo II and ERG mode works very slow. I mean changning resistance from say 100-300 watts takes 8-12 second. Do you recommend to buy Core?
Watching this video a question occurs to me: Did you and Shane sleep at all during Eurobike? =D What with filming and testing and editing...you both must be exhausted!
In other news...I was about to pull the trigger on a Neo...but now I'm all "Hmmmm...hold up a mo..." Interesting info here!
What's sleep?
"Who needs sleep? Well you're never going to get it."
Does it give you power data without an external power meter?
If the Core will cannibalize their main KickR, then maybe both prices will have to go down further. I don't see any reason at all to pick anything but Core..
Totally agree.
I wonder if the Core is more or less stable than the 2017 KICKR, that could make a difference. My guess is the 2017 KICKR will be phased out. I would want the 2018 KICKR because it is heavier and also has the heavier flywheel. 16 lb vs Core's 12 lb flywheel.
How is the responsiveness to Resistance changes? My Get 1 Kickr has a few seconds of lag when the resistance changes (say when going over the rolling terrain in Zwift). Is trainer any better? or is the 2018 Kickr?
Identical to the KICKR 17 (aka KICKR3). The KICKR 1 got upgrades to responsivness around the KICKR2 timeframe. Personally, I'd say the Core is a solid upgrade over the KICKR 1.
I was hoping you'd say that :) My poor wallet.. Anyone want a get 1 Kickr??
Hey Ray, does the core transmit cadence direct from the trainer or do the wahoo trainers use a separate cadence sensor. As on their website it says the cadence sensor is not included. Not sure what they mean by that.
Cadence is measured from the Wahoo RPM Cadence Sensor. This sensor is included with the KICKR but not with the CORE.
Wahoo Fitness ok thanks for the reply, I thought it read like that, but wasn’t mentioned in anyone’s review. So the question is now, how does the power, speed and power broadcast to Zwift on an Apple TV for example. Since A Tacx Flux sends them under a single connection.
@@wahoofitness wait, wut? you need a separate sensor for cadence? is that true for zwift even? With my tacx, cadence comes from the unit, you don't need separate S/C sensors...
@@davehill4831 have you found an answer to this? do you need a separate cadence sensor for Zwift with the Kickr?
matt Savage Hey yes Ray and GPlama both mention this in more recent videos. Wahoo don’t broadcast cadence along with power and speed. It needs a separate cadence sensor which isn’t included with the core. Something to be aware of if your using a Apple TV as you have limited Bluetooth connections, unless you use your phone as well as a bridge
Finally found my Tacx Vortex upgrade
Edit: its $1200 CAD...yikes
Alex Godbout-Simard did you buy one? I am probably going to buy one from Primeau Velo and pay them per month as I cannot stomach the all once cost.
@@GregorBlacksmith DId you end up buying one? I'm curious! I also wanted to buy one, I've been looking at trainers for the past month and can't figure out what to buy.
Top right corner: 2:46 when you are so tryhard you need three garmins to track you for strava.
Is the Core supposed to give a road feel? Am I supposed to feel the cobblestones and wooden planks on Zwift?
no.... no road feel in the wahoo products....
What is more Silent kickr Core or elite suito?
KICKR Core, easily.
@@Dcrainmaker thanks Ray
It looks a lot like a Magene Gravat... 🤔
Yup! Though, with the exception of the legs, the Gravat looked exactly like a KICKR. :)
DC Rainmaker Agreed! 😂
Does it perform like the Gravat2 given Ray tested it a while ago? I foresee more comparison with G2 is going to come up in future.
Magene is making some interesting products. Unfortunately, they lack support outside of China and if they did have support, the prices would probably be higher. It would be interesting to see a comparison.
Ich kotz grad voll ab, jede dritte Fahrt muss ich abbrechen weil der scheiss kickr core ständig den ERG modus verliert und sich neu verbinden muss. Wenn er funktionieren würde wäre ja schön aber da war der alte Tacx Flow ohne smart doch irgendwie besser.
Ich will den grad irgendwie zurück schicken aber dann bekomm ich warscheinlich erst nen neuen wenn der Winter rum ist..... echt voll zum kotzen.
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