We agree that modern fashion trends have helped with Hoka's growth. We have carried Hoka since we opened back in 2014. The hardest group to sell them to were the younger teens. Their biggest complaints were about how big, clunky, and ugly they were. Nowadays there are plenty of high schoolers asking about Hoka solely for everyday use and fashion.
I'm sure if you worked for Hoka during those early years, which Steve is talking about, you might give Hoka a bit more credit for initiating some of those trends. "Different" takes a while to become trendy, then it becomes "not that different" any more.
Exactly. I bought HOKA Clifton 9 and immediately I returned it due to the insole pressing my feet inner so badly it hurts. And then purchased the brooks adrenaline 23 very happy with it!! Perfect for running
I think you mean the midsole. The insole is a removable piece inside the shoe. Pretty much all the brands buy the same insole’s for their shoes. It’s the midsole that affects the feel of the shoe.
@@MrMannyboy329 Sorry to hear they weren't comfortable for you. that's why there's different shoe for different people. I think it's good to know why. For example the Hoka Clifton 8 had a terrible arch, but the version 9 has been much better recieved. This is a great video on why many shoes have an arch issue for many people. czcams.com/video/VCSwyicHLeE/video.htmlsi=EXELHd_ZglGZSmjs
I own both, and you couldn't pull my Brooks from my dead cold hands. My Hoka needed Plantar fasciitis insoles immediately. Both are a good shoe. Your results may differ.
Im a Brooks guy. I want to like the Hokas so bad, but they're just not right for my feet and knees.The Glycerin (especially the 19 &20 versions) are pretty bouncy and nice (the 18 not at all!). I find the Hoka midsoles to be dead feeling. They feel like a stiff dead platform. They also are a bit more narrow, and have less toe box room in general for most models, even compared to the Brooks (D) width. The exception is the clifton and the bondi. The bondi has great softness and feels supple, but there's literally no return or bounce on it, making it feel dead in a different way. On the brooks side, i find the Ghost to be harder and not enough plush and bounce. Levitate feels nice and springy but not super plush. But I will say that the Aurora-BL is an absolute game changer. Anyone that has denied Brooks' plushness and bounciness needs to try that shoe. It is the ultimate in bounciness and feels so soft! I know they used the same foam in the Glycerin 20, but (although a great shoe) does not even come close to the return and bounce and cloud like pleasure from the Aurora-BL.
A review of Glycerine and Bondi by ~240lbs runner who has both. Glycerine feels soft and squishy on the heel. Not so much midfoot. Bondi feels firmer underfoot, but makes you roll through your step more naturally. More mass under midfoot than the glycerine. Glycerine reduces impact on knees with softer, plusher cushioning. Bondi reduces impact on knees by facilitating better mechanical motion of joints. Both have pros and cons depending on running style. Glycerine is definitely better quality and comfier for a short run. If you're heavy for a runner and doing more than a 5k, go for the Bondi 8, your knees will thank you.
had brooks..it took awhile to break in..found hoka better ,as you get older hoka keeps the pains away..their built for comfort and thats what you need from your shoes..❤ from ireland
New to running and I’ve been researching the best shoe to buy for me. This video is really great. Definitely gave me some informative facts and comparison between shoes to make a good decision.
Durability: that's what has always called my attention to Brooks and has led me to choose them! Thanks for such a very useful comparison! Did appreciate it!
Glad to hear you love Brooks! We agree that Brooks has better durability than most of the competition. The firmer midsole cushioning helps make the midsole last longer than, for example, a Hoka shoe.
Great video! It’s very helpful to compare what model is the rival of which from different manufacturers. I’d love to see ASICS thrown in there along side these 2 (Hoka and Brooks). Great job!
Thanks for the support! I'll talk with our video guy to see what we can do. Asics hasn't been a popular brand for us, so we only carry a couple of models in-house.
Appreciate these valuable Moore perspectives. Hoka has inspired some NewBalance and Asics "big slab of sole" models which I enjoy. Unfortunately, the traditionally tightly-tapered toebox on the Hokas offends my flattened forefoot quite a bit. And the current Brooks models, as well. Still, when you combine a wide "bear paw" outsole, with a bit of Altra- like mercy in the toebox, modern diversity gives my feet something they can appreciate.
Which shoes do you recommend? I have a similar problem where none of them feel wide enough in the right sports. I’ve tried Hoka, Brooks, Adidas. altra are good in the toe box but too narrow in the mid foot even in a wide
@@a.bishop615 It's definitely not easy. Shoe companies want to cater to mainstream fit, because that's where the sales volume is at. Even Altra is pushing less models in "original fit".
@@q20a08 yeah, I know. Hoka would be perfect. The underfoot feel, low drop, and everything about them is great but the tow boxes are just a little narrow. I may just have to tough it out and get used to it
I switched from Brooks Beast to Hoka Clifton. The difference is night and day lol. I have high arches on my feet so i really need the cushion. The stiffness of the Brooks Beast is more suited to people with flat feet. Feet with high arches are already naturally stiff.
@@urgonnaluvit The only reason I was using Brooks Beast is because a doctor recommended it for the tendinosis in my toe.. It worked well while I had the tendinosis. But once the tendinosis was healed, there was no reason to use the Beast anymore.
@@tacocruiser4238 ok I work for brooks in the distribution centre for the asia pacific region, we have shoes far more suited for your foot problem than he recommended Ie addiction for example available in d ,2e and 4e widths with max support but lighter
I also wore Hoka for a while, but the sole was too stiff and not very comfortable, so I switched to Adrenalin and I have to say that Adrenalin is my favorite of all stability shoes. I have tried all the well-known top brands over the last few years, but in the end I think the overall package from Brooks Adrenaline is the best.
I agree. I absolutely love my 20’s. I got mine as a close out deal at $90 (including tax). That and my ASICS Novablast 3’s are by far my favorite shoes right now.
I used to love brooks but both the adrenaline and the beasts have been disappointing. I much prefer the arahi and gaviota so I’m definitely team Hoka here.
I’ve worn both Brooks and Hoka and they’re vastly different. Brooks are narrower, stiffer, and I didn’t like them at all. Hoka’s are wider, more bouncy, and I love them. I think if one of the brands works for you then the other probably won’t.
While we do see people who like both Brooks and Hoka, we agree that most people will choose one or the other. The meta rocker and lower drop of a Hoka can be hard to get used to.
At the beginning, it was quite hard for me to decide which one to buy. Eventually, I bought both as rotation. You'll never go wrong with these brands. But for Brooks, I'd size 1 up. And Hoka, I will always take the wide size, otherwise 1 upsize also. After using these two brands, I no longer use N*ke.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this video! Super helpful (and concise) breakdown! The Hokas do look more comfortable, but style-wise I prefer the brooks more because it doesn't have such an obvious logo on the shoe (I really don't like the big HOKA letters on the Hoka shoes). Don't really like the Brooks colors, but I like that they look like more streamlined and versatile shoes. Looking into the brooks ghost now as an everyday walking/active shoe
I tried a Bondi 7 after loving my SpeedGoat 4. Did not love the high stack and poor stability. Also had a weird time on the treadmill with the Bondi, the belt was dragging a little when I landed midfoot. That could be me, though. Love videos like these, Steve. Keep up the great work!
We're sorry to hear the Bondi didn't work out for you. It is a very high shoe and that can cause some instability issues. We appreciate the support for the channel!
Would you recommend these shoes for someone who does a lot of walking at their job? I want to invest in a comfortable shoe that will last me a while- I walk around 10-12 miles during an 8 hour shift. Was looking at a lot of these models but don’t want to buy the wrong one with how expensive they are.
Had Brooks Launch 9’s first then Hoka Clifton 9’s. I personally like the Brooks better, lighter and feels more natural running in them . Brooks are comfy but I can feel the weight and just a little different for my taste. Brooks foe running and Hoka for walking
I like your take on the Launch vs Clifton. The Brooks Launch is a great running shoe. It is a quick, responsive, lightweight trainer with Brooks' DNA Flash midsole technology. The Clifton is also a great running shoe. However, it is better for walking when compared to the launch. It has a higher stack height and more cushion. The added stack makes it a bulkier shoe, which can be hard to run in for some people.
We know the proper pronunciation is with the long vowel /aɪ/ sound. Our Hoka rep introduced the Bondi with that /ee/pronunciation. We have been saying it like that ever since.
Within normal body weight range glycerin is the most comfortable. If you're a little heavy adrenaline is the best. Glycerin is fine for 30 minute runs though. I run 80 minutes and they get pretty uncomfortable.
The Arahi is definitely more shoe when compared to the Adrenaline. The bulk gives it a softer cushion but also causes it to be less supportive. The lower stack height on the Adrenaline alongside the firmer midsole helps the shoe feel more stable underfoot. We love both shoes here at Run Moore, but they have their ups and downs.
Just switched to arahi from adrenaline and the arch support took some getting used to as it’s quite stiff compared to adrenaline guide rails. Also as I upped size I sometimes stumble as there’s quite a bit of shoe at the front. Let’s see how I get on for tempo and longer distance.
Thanks for the great ideas. I've been looking for a good pair of running shoes and both these brands are appealing. I was seriously considering the Brooks Ghost but the Hoka Clifton looks great too. I usually wear down the inner heels of my shoes, especially the left shoe. Maybe the Arenaline/Arahi might be better choices? I wear a 9M (US men's), what sizes would you recommend in these brands/models?
I have to disagree. Just because the Bondi is a neutral shoe does not mean it’s not stable. I find it adds more stability to unstable foot than many stability shoes. Other crazy stable neutral shoes are the Dyad and the new Gaviota 5.
I have to agree. I have the Gaviota 4 and the Bondi 8 and feel that the Bondi have more stability than the Gaviota which is a stability shoe. I also own the Brooks Adrenaline GTS and they are not as stable as the Bondi 8 either, in my opinion, and they have worn much quicker as well
I'm a heavy runner, just started getting back into shape and overweight, flat, big wide feet. I went with the Hoka Cliffon 9 in Wide, very happy with the shoe. I was thinking I'd want the Bondi because it has more cushion, but that's not always a good thing when it comes to support.
Thanks for watching! The J-Frame does have more medial support for pronation. However, that doesn't mean it only supports pronation. Hoka's J-Frame support system wraps around the heel to the lateral side, which provides supination support.
As a small business owner, in terms of popularity, isn't it all about the marketing methods that the respective companies use to push their products, or is it really the users' opinions that set the scale for popularity. Especially when it comes to price points.
Thanks for the video. Which would you recommend for 2 weeks walking in Orlando around the theme parks please? I've a pair of Clifton 9 but would like another pair or two to rotate each day and bring back to the UK. Will be buying from fit2run at Disney Springs unless anywhere better around Disney. Any advice would be appreciated.
We appreciate the support! Brooks only makes 4 trail shoes whereas Hoka has a more diverse lineup. The Brooks Divide 3's closest matchup would be the Torrent 3 from Hoka. They cost a little less, and are both lighter in both weight and cushion. The Torrent does match better to the Cascadia, but it is the closest shoe Hoka has to the Divide. With that being said, the Brooks Cascadia 16 would then parallel the Hoka Challenger ATR 7. They Challenger will be a little more cushioned and a little pricier. However, they both are designed for all terrain. The Caldera 6's counterpart would be the Speedgoat 5. They are the maximum cushion trail shoes with higher stack heights for longer runs. Finally, the Hoka equivalent to the Catamount 16 would be the Mafate Speed 4. They are both brands' "go fast" racing trail shoes. They are both highly responsive and made for faster runs.
Try the Hoka Clifton 9. That is Hokas mid-cushion neutral shoe which is in the same category as the Defyance. If you are looking for something more stable then I would go with Arahi 6. Both are great choices! Hope this helps!
Not a runner but i work all week in boots as a mechanic walking on cement warehouse floors. I have mid to high arch…and a pretty normal width foot, never needed a wide but some shoes do fit little tight…trying to decide which one of these brands to buy for an everyday shoe while not working. Sometimes used as a trainer or working out, maybe treadmill and stairmaster. I bought On cloud stratus on clearance and they arent comfy at all for everyday wear. The Hoka having such a chunky outsole/midsole i worry could be more prone to rolling ankle is used as a trainer
You can't go wrong with any of the brands that we carry. Because you are on your feet on concrete all day, we recommend sticking with a maximum cushion shoe. If you feel like your ankle is prone to rolling, we would suggest a stability shoe as well. From Brooks, Hoka, and a few of our other brands, some of the shoes we would recommend are as follows - Brooks Glycerin GTS 21, Hoka Gaviota 5, Brooks Beast GTS 23, Altra Mizuno and Mizuno Wave Horizon 7. These are our most popular maximum cushion stability shoes. Feel free to check any of them out on our website!
@@RunMoore wow awesome, thanks for taking the time to reply with all that! I wouldn’t say im prone to rolling at all but didnt know if the chunky Clifton 9 type sole would be more prone if used working out instead of strictly running. Also i will say my work boots tend to wear in on the outside half of the heel first before anything else. I was eyeing last years Mach 5 because it seems to be a good all around with little stability and also nice and agile yet still soft but not too soft for fast movements and response
I have footdrop and lipidemia and my legs now since I had knee surgery and got a damage nerve my foot is in pain constantly I can’t hardly stand on it to go shopping or anything. I’m trying to find a shoe that is comfortable and will support my foot enough it maybe it will quit hurting what do you recommend?
So I'm a under-pronator (supinator) and according to Asics I need neutral/cushioned shoes. I'm thinking that their support shoes benefit over-pronators. Is this the case for all shoes or just Asics shoes in general?
As Dan said, the Hoka equivalent of the Glycerin GTS 20 is the Gaviota 4. It is the stable version of the Bondi. The same as how the Glycerin GTS 20 is the stable Glycerin 20.
The Ghost Max is our shoe of the year for 2023. It has been a very popular counterpart to the Hoka Bondi 8. It has the same high stack height, a rocker system that helps the heel-to-toe transition, and a lower heel drop of 6mm. We find the Ghost Max is more supportive than the Bondi because of the firmer DNA Loft foam. It is Brooks' take on a Hoka shoe and they did a splendid job with it.
Good morning, right now I am running in clifton 8 and I am seeing I am demaging the outside of the shoe very fast ( i have a high arch) i am running 60 miles per week. Can you recommend me any brook or cliftton shoe? Thank you
We recommend something with a little more lateral support, such as the Hoka Arahi 6 or the Brooks Adrenaline GTS 22. Both of these shoes have support on the outside to help keep you from turning toward the outside when you run. This won't just help the wear pattern, but it will also help with any ankle, knee, or hip issues you might be having.
The Gaviota 5 is comparable to the Glycerin GTS 20. They are both maximum cushion and stable shoes. The Gaviota is also similar to the Beast/Ariel. The Beast/Ariel is less cushioned, but more supportive than the Glycerin. The Glycerin is closer to the Gaviota in cushion, and the Beast/Ariel is closer to the Gaviota in support.
Why is no one doing any comparison videos on the Brooks Levitate 6? I've used GEL Kayano 26's, Mach 4's/5's, and Ghost 13's. Strongly considering getting the Levitate 6's. Found a couple reviews, but no comparison vids of other companies' close(r) alternatives.
What is alternative to Hoka Mach X in Brooks? Honesty still not sure if Hoka shoes for me. Last year running shoe store recommended Hoka Clifton 9, and I even ran a marathon in them. This year felt that after long runs my legs became more tired after wearing Clifton, I sold them on ebay. Just bought Mach X last week, but running in them feels so tight. Not sure if they should break in.
My favorite Brooks shoe I ran in last year was the Hyperion Max. If you were looking to get the fast pace of the Mach X but wanted to stay in the Brooks family, give that one a try. It's got enough cushion for longer miles but so comfortable and speedy.
I tried the Brooks Adrenaline 22 and for some reason it hurt my knees vs Hoka Clifton which is what i usually wear. Wanted to try Brooks off your recommendation. IS the 12mm heel drop going to cause problems? I have had them a few weeks and find myself going back to the Hoka. Should i give it more time?
@Steven Vanlancker i heard brooks is coming out with a 5mm heel dop version of the adrenaline will. i feel the heel drop is to high for me coming from a zero drop or 5mm running shoe.
Anyone have the Brooks Levitate shoe (men's)? If so, what are your thoughts on it. I have Hokas and a pair of Diadora running shoes but want to try those Levitate shoes. Do Brooks have anything for a wider foot?
This was a great video. I did have a question; I’m trying to buy my brother a shoe He on his feet all day, He 6ft5 and size 14 Any recommendations that specific that benefit him?
Our recommendations would be anything that is in the maximum cushion stability category. People on their feet all day usually want the most cushion available. From Hoka, there is the Gaviota 5, and from Brooks, there is the Beast GTS 23. Both of these shoes are great options for someone who is on his feet all day and needs the cushion and support.
Thank you for this informative upload. Now into my 10th pair of Hoka Clifton/Bondi shoes, I am disappointed with the quality of the heel linings. After only 200 to 300 kilometres, holes are developing in the inner heel linings. I have a neutral gait, no foot deformities and I am lacing my shoes with care. Hoka are not responding to my queries. Would the Brooks Glycerin be more enduring in this regard and in your experience? and would a US size 11 in Hoka's be the equivalent size in Brooks? I have to order online, rather than accessing a shoe shop.
It's hard to say without seeing the shoes in person. Usually, when people have a hole near the heel, it's caused by the heel slipping. We suggest trying out the "runners/marathon" loop in your lacing. It helps lock down the heel. Otherwise, the Glycerin does run narrower towards the heel. It will help with durability and keep your heel more secure. We suggest staying with a size 11 if you are in a size 11 Bondi.
@@RunMoore Thank you so much for your instant reply. I have been experimenting with different lacing techniques, but also don't feel my heels slipping. I am now done with Hoka, first due to the lack of durability (inside and out) but also with them not bothered to respond. Thanks again and back to Brooks for future supplies.
What Brooks would you recommend for someone that works 8 to 9 hours a day on concrete in retail looking for a good support like walking/you know running shoe when I go back and forth back and forth and also being 6'5 over 200 pounds was using the transmit threes by brooks just like as a cheap workshoot and they 2rer great but now I have the adrenaline Gts do you think those would be good for that
We agree that the Beast '20 and the Gaviota 4 pair nicely. The Gaviota also pairs well with the Glycerin GTS 20. The Beast is one of Brooks' max stability shoes, whereas the Glycerin GTS is Brooks' maximum cushion shoe with stability. The Gaviota is a combination of the two shoes from Brooks. It is maximum stability like the Beast and has the most cushion like the Glycerin GTS.
"Run More" I am in desperate need of help! I have worn Brooks Ghost until the version 14 and 15 which I can't wear. My back and Thighs just can't adjust to them at all. All the versions Of Brooks Ghost up to version 13 were wonderful. I don't know what to do or where to go, I wear an orthotic and they fit well in the Brooks, do you have any ideas of what shoe I can move to, I am desperate to be able to walk/run without pain.
I used the Ghost 9 and 14 (stopped running for over a decade that's why my Ghost 9 are still as good as new) - but ultimately switched to Brooks Divide 4, Ghost Max (almost too much stack), Adidas Ultraboost 22 and just bought a Puma Liberate Nitro 2 but haven't tried it yet. The Brooks Divide 4 has the largest toe box of the Brooks I own and 8 mm drop. It's a bit firmer but has better ground control IMHO than the Ghost, especially the Ghost Max which feels nice but is insanely high so rolling your ankles is a real danger. I almost manged to do it on my first run with them. So I prefer lower stack especially since I run some light trails or forest paths (but not completely off any paths or trails). Ghost Max is more of a road shoe. Divide 4 works great on both for me.
If you are interested in something similar to a Hoka without being too bulky, a couple options to check out are the Brooks Glycerin GTS 20, the New Balance 1080v13, and the Mizuno Wave Sky 7. If you would like to stick with Hoka, then the Clifton 9 or Arahi 6 would be good options. The first three shoes are all maximum cushion shoes like the Bondi, just a little more streamlined. The Clifton and Arahi are midweight cushion shoes, the Clifton being neutral and the Arahi being stable.
Splendido video, come sempre. Uso le cascadia brooks 16, che trovo eccezionali,.. se volessi passare a hoka cosa dovrei scegliere? Grazie mille davvero👍
We appreciate your support! The Hoka equivalent to the Cascadia 16 would be the Torrent 3. It is in the same cushion level and price point as the Cascadia.
Brooks doesn't have as many trail shoes as Hoka or Altra. The closest shoe Brooks has to the Challenger would be the Cascadia 16. The Cascadia is a little lighter on the cushion when compared to the Challenger. It is more comparable to the Torrent from Hoka, both being lightweight cushioned trail shoes. With Brooks' more limited trail line, they just don't have a one-to-one equivalent to the Challenger.
So, I do have a question. I wear a Clifton 8. It gives me a little discomfort on top of my foot. I cut the outside gusset and it’s a little bit better. My feet are may be a little bit tall. If that’s a thing. What cushion shoe might I find that won’t do this?
Not a Hoka. I tried a lot of them in stores and almost all of them have soles that are too stiff. I land on the outer edge of my forefoot and then the stiff sole just slams inward. It feels like running in ski boots. I want to like them but never found a model that worked for me, maybe with the exception of the Hoka Rincon 3 which feels a bit more "minimalist" if one can even use that word for a Hoka. I'm still looking and I'd still like to try a few models like the Mach X but no store here carries them.
The Glycerin GTS would have the same cushioning as the Glycerin, with the added support and stability from the guide rail system. If you are looking for something from Brooks that has a lot of cushioning, support, and stability, the Glycerin GTS is a great option!
The durability of Hoka models can vary depending on the individual, the shoe model, and its use. However, we have seen an overall improvement in durability across Hoka models in recent years. This gives us confidence that future models will continue to improve their durability even further.
Hoka’s are junk, as many are finding out. I’ve been running for 45 years and have never had a pair break in less than 2 months as the soles on my Clifton’s did. I’ll never buy Hoka’s again.
Hoka as a brand has really benefited from fashion starting to shift towards more big, chunky shoes. Doesn’t hurt that they’re super soft and bouncy
We agree that modern fashion trends have helped with Hoka's growth. We have carried Hoka since we opened back in 2014. The hardest group to sell them to were the younger teens. Their biggest complaints were about how big, clunky, and ugly they were. Nowadays there are plenty of high schoolers asking about Hoka solely for everyday use and fashion.
I'm sure if you worked for Hoka during those early years, which Steve is talking about, you might give Hoka a bit more credit for initiating some of those trends. "Different" takes a while to become trendy, then it becomes "not that different" any more.
I tried the Hoka and I find that the insole is not comfortable at all, BUT the Brooks Adrenaline are very comfortable.
Exactly. I bought HOKA Clifton 9 and immediately I returned it due to the insole pressing my feet inner so badly it hurts. And then purchased the brooks adrenaline 23 very happy with it!! Perfect for running
I think you mean the midsole. The insole is a removable piece inside the shoe. Pretty much all the brands buy the same insole’s for their shoes. It’s the midsole that affects the feel of the shoe.
@@PLANETWATERMELON what ever you call it, the Hokas were not comfortable to me
@@MrMannyboy329 Sorry to hear they weren't comfortable for you. that's why there's different shoe for different people. I think it's good to know why. For example the Hoka Clifton 8 had a terrible arch, but the version 9 has been much better recieved. This is a great video on why many shoes have an arch issue for many people. czcams.com/video/VCSwyicHLeE/video.htmlsi=EXELHd_ZglGZSmjs
I had the exact opposite experience with my Brooks’s they felt too firm.
Brooks all the way. I tried a few Hokas, only one design was kind of fit me nicely, but almost 90% of Brooks fit great.
Which kind did you find was best according to running walking or training ?
Ghost 15's are an amazing shoe! I love them so much!
I own both, and you couldn't pull my Brooks from my dead cold hands. My Hoka needed Plantar fasciitis insoles immediately. Both are a good shoe. Your results may differ.
Im a Brooks guy. I want to like the Hokas so bad, but they're just not right for my feet and knees.The Glycerin (especially the 19 &20 versions) are pretty bouncy and nice (the 18 not at all!). I find the Hoka midsoles to be dead feeling. They feel like a stiff dead platform. They also are a bit more narrow, and have less toe box room in general for most models, even compared to the Brooks (D) width. The exception is the clifton and the bondi. The bondi has great softness and feels supple, but there's literally no return or bounce on it, making it feel dead in a different way. On the brooks side, i find the Ghost to be harder and not enough plush and bounce. Levitate feels nice and springy but not super plush. But I will say that the Aurora-BL is an absolute game changer. Anyone that has denied Brooks' plushness and bounciness needs to try that shoe. It is the ultimate in bounciness and feels so soft! I know they used the same foam in the Glycerin 20, but (although a great shoe) does not even come close to the return and bounce and cloud like pleasure from the Aurora-BL.
Still a very informative video!! Thank you so much. This is exactly what I was looking for
A review of Glycerine and Bondi by ~240lbs runner who has both.
Glycerine feels soft and squishy on the heel. Not so much midfoot.
Bondi feels firmer underfoot, but makes you roll through your step more naturally. More mass under midfoot than the glycerine.
Glycerine reduces impact on knees with softer, plusher cushioning.
Bondi reduces impact on knees by facilitating better mechanical motion of joints.
Both have pros and cons depending on running style. Glycerine is definitely better quality and comfier for a short run. If you're heavy for a runner and doing more than a 5k, go for the Bondi 8, your knees will thank you.
had brooks..it took awhile to break in..found hoka better ,as you get older hoka keeps the pains away..their built for comfort and thats what you need from your shoes..❤ from ireland
New to running and I’ve been researching the best shoe to buy for me. This video is really great. Definitely gave me some informative facts and comparison between shoes to make a good decision.
This is a cool video
We appreciate your support!
Durability: that's what has always called my attention to Brooks and has led me to choose them!
Thanks for such a very useful comparison!
Did appreciate it!
Glad to hear you love Brooks! We agree that Brooks has better durability than most of the competition. The firmer midsole cushioning helps make the midsole last longer than, for example, a Hoka shoe.
@@RunMoore Thanks for such a complete feedback! You're really masters of the running science!
This was a great video! Exactly what I needed to know! Thanks for always being so detailed! Love your educational videos! 😊
I appreciate your support!
Great video! It’s very helpful to compare what model is the rival of which from different manufacturers. I’d love to see ASICS thrown in there along side these 2 (Hoka and Brooks). Great job!
Thanks for the support! I'll talk with our video guy to see what we can do. Asics hasn't been a popular brand for us, so we only carry a couple of models in-house.
Appreciate these valuable Moore perspectives. Hoka has inspired some NewBalance and Asics "big slab of sole" models which I enjoy. Unfortunately, the traditionally tightly-tapered toebox on the Hokas offends my flattened forefoot quite a bit. And the current Brooks models, as well. Still, when you combine a wide "bear paw" outsole, with a bit of Altra- like mercy in the toebox, modern diversity gives my feet something they can appreciate.
Which shoes do you recommend? I have a similar problem where none of them feel wide enough in the right sports. I’ve tried Hoka, Brooks, Adidas. altra are good in the toe box but too narrow in the mid foot even in a wide
@@a.bishop615 New Balance 4E might be a good place to look. They tend to cater to wides more than most. "Fresh Foam More" for example.
@@q20a08 I’ve also looked at Altra but haven’t decided. I did try a 1080v12 and didn’t like the feel of the fresh foam underfoot
@@a.bishop615 It's definitely not easy. Shoe companies want to cater to mainstream fit, because that's where the sales volume is at. Even Altra is pushing less models in "original fit".
@@q20a08 yeah, I know. Hoka would be perfect. The underfoot feel, low drop, and everything about them is great but the tow boxes are just a little narrow. I may just have to tough it out and get used to it
Amazing video. Thank you. Answered so many questions I had. Orderd my Adrenalie
Thanks for watching! I'm glad I could answer your questions.
I switched from Brooks Beast to Hoka Clifton. The difference is night and day lol. I have high arches on my feet so i really need the cushion. The stiffness of the Brooks Beast is more suited to people with flat feet. Feet with high arches are already naturally stiff.
Brooks beast isnt a running shoe😂
@@urgonnaluvit The only reason I was using Brooks Beast is because a doctor recommended it for the tendinosis in my toe.. It worked well while I had the tendinosis. But once the tendinosis was healed, there was no reason to use the Beast anymore.
@@tacocruiser4238 ok
I work for brooks in the distribution centre for the asia pacific region, we have shoes far more suited for your foot problem than he recommended
Ie addiction for example available in d ,2e and 4e widths with max support but lighter
I also wore Hoka for a while, but the sole was too stiff and not very comfortable, so I switched to Adrenalin and I have to say that Adrenalin is my favorite of all stability shoes. I have tried all the well-known top brands over the last few years, but in the end I think the overall package from Brooks Adrenaline is the best.
Just what I was looking for! Thanks you for this video
Thanks for watching!
Best comparison video so far
The glycerin 20 is amazing
I agree. I absolutely love my 20’s. I got mine as a close out deal at $90 (including tax). That and my ASICS Novablast 3’s are by far my favorite shoes right now.
Yes agree..best
i really like my brooks adrenaline 22s
I used to love brooks but both the adrenaline and the beasts have been disappointing. I much prefer the arahi and gaviota so I’m definitely team Hoka here.
Really great video Steve
Thanks!
I really liked your video, very helpful, even if I'm watching it one year later. Thanks
THIS VIDEO IS AWESOME
Just what I needed. Thank you sir
I’ve worn both Brooks and Hoka and they’re vastly different. Brooks are narrower, stiffer, and I didn’t like them at all. Hoka’s are wider, more bouncy, and I love them. I think if one of the brands works for you then the other probably won’t.
While we do see people who like both Brooks and Hoka, we agree that most people will choose one or the other. The meta rocker and lower drop of a Hoka can be hard to get used to.
The Brooks Ghost are not the soft ones. They are a very firm shoe. If you want soft and bouncy, the Brooks glycerin is the shoe.
At the beginning, it was quite hard for me to decide which one to buy. Eventually, I bought both as rotation. You'll never go wrong with these brands. But for Brooks, I'd size 1 up. And Hoka, I will always take the wide size, otherwise 1 upsize also. After using these two brands, I no longer use N*ke.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this video! Super helpful (and concise) breakdown! The Hokas do look more comfortable, but style-wise I prefer the brooks more because it doesn't have such an obvious logo on the shoe (I really don't like the big HOKA letters on the Hoka shoes). Don't really like the Brooks colors, but I like that they look like more streamlined and versatile shoes. Looking into the brooks ghost now as an everyday walking/active shoe
Isn't the big difference in offset (5mm vs. 12mm) something to consider when comparing the Arai to the Adrenaline?
BROOKS all day!
I tried a Bondi 7 after loving my SpeedGoat 4. Did not love the high stack and poor stability. Also had a weird time on the treadmill with the Bondi, the belt was dragging a little when I landed midfoot. That could be me, though.
Love videos like these, Steve. Keep up the great work!
We're sorry to hear the Bondi didn't work out for you. It is a very high shoe and that can cause some instability issues. We appreciate the support for the channel!
I had a stability issue on both my Hoka and I switched.
A great video indeed 👍
Thanks! We really appreciate your support!
Very informative! TY.
oka clifton 9 great look, foot protection, bouncy while running, and light weight. Nice review🌷👏🏻
Would you recommend these shoes for someone who does a lot of walking at their job? I want to invest in a comfortable shoe that will last me a while- I walk around 10-12 miles during an 8 hour shift. Was looking at a lot of these models but don’t want to buy the wrong one with how expensive they are.
Had Brooks Launch 9’s first then Hoka Clifton 9’s. I personally like the Brooks better, lighter and feels more natural running in them . Brooks are comfy but I can feel the weight and just a little different for my taste.
Brooks foe running and Hoka for walking
I like your take on the Launch vs Clifton. The Brooks Launch is a great running shoe. It is a quick, responsive, lightweight trainer with Brooks' DNA Flash midsole technology. The Clifton is also a great running shoe. However, it is better for walking when compared to the launch. It has a higher stack height and more cushion. The added stack makes it a bulkier shoe, which can be hard to run in for some people.
As someone who lives in the suburb of Bondi, your pronounciation made me giggle. 😅
We know the proper pronunciation is with the long vowel /aɪ/ sound. Our Hoka rep introduced the Bondi with that /ee/pronunciation. We have been saying it like that ever since.
Within normal body weight range glycerin is the most comfortable. If you're a little heavy adrenaline is the best. Glycerin is fine for 30 minute runs though. I run 80 minutes and they get pretty uncomfortable.
I love my brooks adrenaline. Tried the hoka ariha and it just felt too soft and kinda bulky.
The Arahi is definitely more shoe when compared to the Adrenaline. The bulk gives it a softer cushion but also causes it to be less supportive. The lower stack height on the Adrenaline alongside the firmer midsole helps the shoe feel more stable underfoot. We love both shoes here at Run Moore, but they have their ups and downs.
Just switched to arahi from adrenaline and the arch support took some getting used to as it’s quite stiff compared to adrenaline guide rails. Also as I upped size I sometimes stumble as there’s quite a bit of shoe at the front. Let’s see how I get on for tempo and longer distance.
In the last video you recommended a socks for plantar falciaties, I bought it's working perfect, I will try the shoes.
A big thanks
We appreciate your support for our channel! We're glad we could help you with your plantar fasciitis.
Do you think there is a Hoka equivalent of the Brooks Launch?
Hoka Bondi is by far hands down more comfortable than Brooke’s Glycerin!
Brooke’s laces constantly keep untying, too!
Thanks for the great ideas. I've been looking for a good pair of running shoes and both these brands are appealing. I was seriously considering the Brooks Ghost but the Hoka Clifton looks great too. I usually wear down the inner heels of my shoes, especially the left shoe. Maybe the Arenaline/Arahi might be better choices? I wear a 9M (US men's), what sizes would you recommend in these brands/models?
i’m choosing between bondi 8 and ghost 16 for standing in retail
Thank you for this video.
No problem. Thanks for watching!
I have to disagree. Just because the Bondi is a neutral shoe does not mean it’s not stable. I find it adds more stability to unstable foot than many stability shoes. Other crazy stable neutral shoes are the Dyad and the new Gaviota 5.
I have to agree. I have the Gaviota 4 and the Bondi 8 and feel that the Bondi have more stability than the Gaviota which is a stability shoe. I also own the Brooks Adrenaline GTS and they are not as stable as the Bondi 8 either, in my opinion, and they have worn much quicker as well
I'm a heavy runner, just started getting back into shape and overweight, flat, big wide feet. I went with the Hoka Cliffon 9 in Wide, very happy with the shoe. I was thinking I'd want the Bondi because it has more cushion, but that's not always a good thing when it comes to support.
Great explanation.
Didn’t know that arahi was good also for suppination. Thought only workes for pronators. I
Thanks for watching! The J-Frame does have more medial support for pronation. However, that doesn't mean it only supports pronation. Hoka's J-Frame support system wraps around the heel to the lateral side, which provides supination support.
As a small business owner, in terms of popularity, isn't it all about the marketing methods that the respective companies use to push their products, or is it really the users' opinions that set the scale for popularity. Especially when it comes to price points.
Thanks for the video. Which would you recommend for 2 weeks walking in Orlando around the theme parks please? I've a pair of Clifton 9 but would like another pair or two to rotate each day and bring back to the UK. Will be buying from fit2run at Disney Springs unless anywhere better around Disney. Any advice would be appreciated.
Great video as I toggle between those brands. What are the Brooks va Hoka comparisons for trail?
We appreciate the support! Brooks only makes 4 trail shoes whereas Hoka has a more diverse lineup. The Brooks Divide 3's closest matchup would be the Torrent 3 from Hoka. They cost a little less, and are both lighter in both weight and cushion. The Torrent does match better to the Cascadia, but it is the closest shoe Hoka has to the Divide. With that being said, the Brooks Cascadia 16 would then parallel the Hoka Challenger ATR 7. They Challenger will be a little more cushioned and a little pricier. However, they both are designed for all terrain. The Caldera 6's counterpart would be the Speedgoat 5. They are the maximum cushion trail shoes with higher stack heights for longer runs. Finally, the Hoka equivalent to the Catamount 16 would be the Mafate Speed 4. They are both brands' "go fast" racing trail shoes. They are both highly responsive and made for faster runs.
great content! which model would you suggest for someone with morton neuroma? I am not really narrow or wide feet. Thanks,
Hi! I run in the Brook defyance 12 and I would like to try Hoka’s, which model would you recommend? Thank you for your response!
Try the Hoka Clifton 9. That is Hokas mid-cushion neutral shoe which is in the same category as the Defyance. If you are looking for something more stable then I would go with Arahi 6. Both are great choices! Hope this helps!
Hoka is for comfort...run in brooks..it's an actual sneaker for running
Not a runner but i work all week in boots as a mechanic walking on cement warehouse floors. I have mid to high arch…and a pretty normal width foot, never needed a wide but some shoes do fit little tight…trying to decide which one of these brands to buy for an everyday shoe while not working. Sometimes used as a trainer or working out, maybe treadmill and stairmaster. I bought On cloud stratus on clearance and they arent comfy at all for everyday wear. The Hoka having such a chunky outsole/midsole i worry could be more prone to rolling ankle is used as a trainer
You can't go wrong with any of the brands that we carry. Because you are on your feet on concrete all day, we recommend sticking with a maximum cushion shoe. If you feel like your ankle is prone to rolling, we would suggest a stability shoe as well. From Brooks, Hoka, and a few of our other brands, some of the shoes we would recommend are as follows - Brooks Glycerin GTS 21, Hoka Gaviota 5, Brooks Beast GTS 23, Altra Mizuno and Mizuno Wave Horizon 7. These are our most popular maximum cushion stability shoes. Feel free to check any of them out on our website!
@@RunMoore wow awesome, thanks for taking the time to reply with all that! I wouldn’t say im prone to rolling at all but didnt know if the chunky Clifton 9 type sole would be more prone if used working out instead of strictly running. Also i will say my work boots tend to wear in on the outside half of the heel first before anything else. I was eyeing last years Mach 5 because it seems to be a good all around with little stability and also nice and agile yet still soft but not too soft for fast movements and response
thank you
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Thanks! I appreciate your support.
I've been running with the Ghost Max and Glycerin 21. I tried on some hokas (bondi 8) but felt like the midsole was too stiff for my foot.
Hi! Which Hoka can u recommend to RNs who stand all day at work? I am currently using Clifton 7. I wanted to try too other brands. Thank you.
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I have footdrop and lipidemia and my legs now since I had knee surgery and got a damage nerve my foot is in pain constantly I can’t hardly stand on it to go shopping or anything. I’m trying to find a shoe that is comfortable and will support my foot enough it maybe it will quit hurting what do you recommend?
So I'm a under-pronator (supinator) and according to Asics I need neutral/cushioned shoes. I'm thinking that their support shoes benefit over-pronators. Is this the case for all shoes or just Asics shoes in general?
I have flat feet and the adrenaline’s gave me shin pain when using for 20 min + I swapped to ghost max and haven’t used another shoe since
Great video! My question is: what would be the HOKA equivalent of the Brooks Glycerin GTS 20, if there is any?
Gaviota 😊
As Dan said, the Hoka equivalent of the Glycerin GTS 20 is the Gaviota 4. It is the stable version of the Bondi. The same as how the Glycerin GTS 20 is the stable Glycerin 20.
I think the Arahi 6 would be its equivalent. I have both the Glycerin GTS 20 and the Arahi 6. Love them both!
Brooks Ghost Max, What do you think of it.
The Ghost Max is our shoe of the year for 2023. It has been a very popular counterpart to the Hoka Bondi 8. It has the same high stack height, a rocker system that helps the heel-to-toe transition, and a lower heel drop of 6mm. We find the Ghost Max is more supportive than the Bondi because of the firmer DNA Loft foam. It is Brooks' take on a Hoka shoe and they did a splendid job with it.
Thanks
Good morning, right now I am running in clifton 8 and I am seeing I am demaging the outside of the shoe very fast ( i have a high arch) i am running 60 miles per week. Can you recommend me any brook or cliftton shoe? Thank you
We recommend something with a little more lateral support, such as the Hoka Arahi 6 or the Brooks Adrenaline GTS 22. Both of these shoes have support on the outside to help keep you from turning toward the outside when you run. This won't just help the wear pattern, but it will also help with any ankle, knee, or hip issues you might be having.
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I have similar issues myself, so I think you just helped narrow my choices. Thanks!
Brooks 🤩🤩
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What’s the Gaviota 5 equivalent in Brooks?
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The Gaviota 5 is comparable to the Glycerin GTS 20. They are both maximum cushion and stable shoes. The Gaviota is also similar to the Beast/Ariel. The Beast/Ariel is less cushioned, but more supportive than the Glycerin. The Glycerin is closer to the Gaviota in cushion, and the Beast/Ariel is closer to the Gaviota in support.
Why is no one doing any comparison videos on the Brooks Levitate 6?
I've used GEL Kayano 26's, Mach 4's/5's, and Ghost 13's. Strongly considering getting the Levitate 6's. Found a couple reviews, but no comparison vids of other companies' close(r) alternatives.
I’ve been wearing Adrenaline ASR for years until Brooks discontinued them. What would be an equivalent in Hoka?
What is alternative to Hoka Mach X in Brooks? Honesty still not sure if Hoka shoes for me. Last year running shoe store recommended Hoka Clifton 9, and I even ran a marathon in them. This year felt that after long runs my legs became more tired after wearing Clifton, I sold them on ebay. Just bought Mach X last week, but running in them feels so tight. Not sure if they should break in.
My favorite Brooks shoe I ran in last year was the Hyperion Max. If you were looking to get the fast pace of the Mach X but wanted to stay in the Brooks family, give that one a try. It's got enough cushion for longer miles but so comfortable and speedy.
I wanted to love Hoka but the toe box is too narrow. My little toe goes numb and my bunions peel.
I tried the Brooks Adrenaline 22 and for some reason it hurt my knees vs Hoka Clifton which is what i usually wear. Wanted to try Brooks off your recommendation. IS the 12mm heel drop going to cause problems? I have had them a few weeks and find myself going back to the Hoka. Should i give it more time?
@Steven Vanlancker i heard brooks is coming out with a 5mm heel dop version of the adrenaline will. i feel the heel drop is to high for me coming from a zero drop or 5mm running shoe.
Which one it’s the best for Achilles tendinitis?
Which one is best for mild shin splints ?
Anyone have the Brooks Levitate shoe (men's)? If so, what are your thoughts on it. I have Hokas and a pair of Diadora running shoes but want to try those Levitate shoes. Do Brooks have anything for a wider foot?
This was a great video.
I did have a question; I’m trying to buy my brother a shoe
He on his feet all day,
He 6ft5 and size 14
Any recommendations that specific that benefit him?
Our recommendations would be anything that is in the maximum cushion stability category. People on their feet all day usually want the most cushion available. From Hoka, there is the Gaviota 5, and from Brooks, there is the Beast GTS 23. Both of these shoes are great options for someone who is on his feet all day and needs the cushion and support.
Thank you for this informative upload. Now into my 10th pair of Hoka Clifton/Bondi shoes, I am disappointed with the quality of the heel linings. After only 200 to 300 kilometres, holes are developing in the inner heel linings. I have a neutral gait, no foot deformities and I am lacing my shoes with care. Hoka are not responding to my queries. Would the Brooks Glycerin be more enduring in this regard and in your experience? and would a US size 11 in Hoka's be the equivalent size in Brooks? I have to order online, rather than accessing a shoe shop.
It's hard to say without seeing the shoes in person. Usually, when people have a hole near the heel, it's caused by the heel slipping. We suggest trying out the "runners/marathon" loop in your lacing. It helps lock down the heel. Otherwise, the Glycerin does run narrower towards the heel. It will help with durability and keep your heel more secure. We suggest staying with a size 11 if you are in a size 11 Bondi.
@@RunMoore Thank you so much for your instant reply. I have been experimenting with different lacing techniques, but also don't feel my heels slipping. I am now done with Hoka, first due to the lack of durability (inside and out) but also with them not bothered to respond. Thanks again and back to Brooks for future supplies.
What Brooks would you recommend for someone that works 8 to 9 hours a day on concrete in retail looking for a good support like walking/you know running shoe when I go back and forth back and forth and also being 6'5 over 200 pounds was using the transmit threes by brooks just like as a cheap workshoot and they 2rer great but now I have the adrenaline Gts do you think those would be good for that
Brooks Max or Glycerin 21 GTS
If I could find that Clifton 9 blue to black with black lace I would buy it, but sadly I can't find it help please take my money.
For the stability folks, another pairing I’ve worn:
Brooks Beast & Hoka Gaviota
We agree that the Beast '20 and the Gaviota 4 pair nicely. The Gaviota also pairs well with the Glycerin GTS 20. The Beast is one of Brooks' max stability shoes, whereas the Glycerin GTS is Brooks' maximum cushion shoe with stability. The Gaviota is a combination of the two shoes from Brooks. It is maximum stability like the Beast and has the most cushion like the Glycerin GTS.
Brooks Glycerin it is then.
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I am in desperate need of help! I have worn Brooks Ghost until the version 14 and 15 which I can't wear. My back and Thighs just can't adjust to them at all. All the versions Of Brooks Ghost up to version 13 were wonderful. I don't know what to do or where to go, I wear an orthotic and they fit well in the Brooks, do you have any ideas of what shoe I can move to, I am desperate to be able to walk/run without pain.
I used the Ghost 9 and 14 (stopped running for over a decade that's why my Ghost 9 are still as good as new) - but ultimately switched to Brooks Divide 4, Ghost Max (almost too much stack), Adidas Ultraboost 22 and just bought a Puma Liberate Nitro 2 but haven't tried it yet. The Brooks Divide 4 has the largest toe box of the Brooks I own and 8 mm drop. It's a bit firmer but has better ground control IMHO than the Ghost, especially the Ghost Max which feels nice but is insanely high so rolling your ankles is a real danger. I almost manged to do it on my first run with them. So I prefer lower stack especially since I run some light trails or forest paths (but not completely off any paths or trails). Ghost Max is more of a road shoe. Divide 4 works great on both for me.
Do you have a Hoka comparison to the brook launch
What’s the best for 12hr shifts?
I am a nurse and walking/standing a lot at work and bought bondi 8 but to bulky looking for me, what do you suggest?
If you are interested in something similar to a Hoka without being too bulky, a couple options to check out are the Brooks Glycerin GTS 20, the New Balance 1080v13, and the Mizuno Wave Sky 7. If you would like to stick with Hoka, then the Clifton 9 or Arahi 6 would be good options. The first three shoes are all maximum cushion shoes like the Bondi, just a little more streamlined. The Clifton and Arahi are midweight cushion shoes, the Clifton being neutral and the Arahi being stable.
Thank you
Bondi pronunciation in French is "bondee"
Splendido video, come sempre. Uso le cascadia brooks 16, che trovo eccezionali,.. se volessi passare a hoka cosa dovrei scegliere? Grazie mille davvero👍
We appreciate your support! The Hoka equivalent to the Cascadia 16 would be the Torrent 3. It is in the same cushion level and price point as the Cascadia.
only gripe i have with hoka is that it sounds like.. errrrm...
browsing their website prompts warning in my country due to the spelling. =/
What about a brooks comparison to hoka challenger 7?
Brooks doesn't have as many trail shoes as Hoka or Altra. The closest shoe Brooks has to the Challenger would be the Cascadia 16. The Cascadia is a little lighter on the cushion when compared to the Challenger. It is more comparable to the Torrent from Hoka, both being lightweight cushioned trail shoes. With Brooks' more limited trail line, they just don't have a one-to-one equivalent to the Challenger.
So, I do have a question. I wear a Clifton 8. It gives me a little discomfort on top of my foot. I cut the outside gusset and it’s a little bit better. My feet are may be a little bit tall. If that’s a thing. What cushion shoe might I find that won’t do this?
Can you do Altra vs brooks ?
I will see with my video guy what we have upcoming!
Which shoes are good for pronation?
Not a Hoka. I tried a lot of them in stores and almost all of them have soles that are too stiff. I land on the outer edge of my forefoot and then the stiff sole just slams inward. It feels like running in ski boots. I want to like them but never found a model that worked for me, maybe with the exception of the Hoka Rincon 3 which feels a bit more "minimalist" if one can even use that word for a Hoka. I'm still looking and I'd still like to try a few models like the Mach X but no store here carries them.
What about the Glycerine GTS variant? I’ve been curious since it has the guide rails from the Adrenaline. I need both cushion and support.
The Glycerin GTS would have the same cushioning as the Glycerin, with the added support and stability from the guide rail system. If you are looking for something from Brooks that has a lot of cushioning, support, and stability, the Glycerin GTS is a great option!
Hoka is by far superior in fit and feel, they just don’t last long
The durability of Hoka models can vary depending on the individual, the shoe model, and its use. However, we have seen an overall improvement in durability across Hoka models in recent years. This gives us confidence that future models will continue to improve their durability even further.
hokas suck
Anyone who calls it a Bon-Dee gets a down vote...
Hoka’s are junk, as many are finding out. I’ve been running for 45 years and have never had a pair break in less than 2 months as the soles on my Clifton’s did. I’ll never buy Hoka’s again.
Hola Bondi 8 is hideous.