Why You Shouldn't Set Your Road Bike Up Like A Pro Cyclist

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  • Professional cyclists have their bikes set up on the extreme end of the spectrum where speed and comfort meet, balancing aerodynamics and the ability to ride comfortably for hours on end. However, pros are also incredibly adapted to how their bike fits, and prioritise flexibility and recovery in order to achieve this. Slamming your stem and using larger gears might not actually make you faster in the long run, and could even cause you some pain. In this video Manon shares why you should avoid copying the pros bike setup.
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  • @brunospasta
    @brunospasta Pƙed 4 lety +842

    That's why I always hunch over as far as possible when working in the office.

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Pƙed 4 lety +269

      Staying aero at your desk will make you work faster, to be fair!

    • @leeoien3645
      @leeoien3645 Pƙed 4 lety +58

      Yeah, but that's just to lower your visible profile so that your boss is less likely to see you first!

    • @KandiKlover
      @KandiKlover Pƙed 3 lety +18

      But aero bars on your keyboard and the toilet.

    • @siobhanmillea3872
      @siobhanmillea3872 Pƙed 3 lety +3

      đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚đŸšŽâ€â™€ïžđŸšŽâ€â™€ïžđŸšŽâ€â™€ïž

    • @m00n13
      @m00n13 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      HAHAHAHAHAHA 😂😂😂

  • @RichardDurishin
    @RichardDurishin Pƙed 4 lety +32

    One potentially life-or-death thing you've missed - When pros train and race, they are usually accompanied by a team car and/or other cyclists so their ability to see what is around them is less important than it is to riders unaccompanied by a protective follow vehicle. For every millimeter increase in stem height, a rider gains several degrees of peripheral vision and that can make the difference between spotting the wayward driver - or not. So - if you're not a pro - un-slam that stem!

  • @danielbum912
    @danielbum912 Pƙed 4 lety +584

    1:07 Ah yes a regular rider like the 2016 track world champion Manon Lloyd

    • @daveb1101
      @daveb1101 Pƙed 4 lety +47

      Daniel my thoughts exactly 😂 Glad you’re putting me in that category with you Manon!

    • @rasmushielscher9630
      @rasmushielscher9630 Pƙed 4 lety +14

      My thoughts 😂 but as we all know road riders have a far more aero position than track riders 😂

    • @KandiKlover
      @KandiKlover Pƙed 3 lety +15

      She bein humble and relatable.

    • @lawrenceginete1030
      @lawrenceginete1030 Pƙed 3 lety

      My thoughts exactly. 😂😂😂

    • @MattyBrad
      @MattyBrad Pƙed 3 lety +1

      If given the chance, most 'regular' riders could become Pro. Hardest part is finding the opportunity. Or creating them.

  • @shiverfinn
    @shiverfinn Pƙed 4 lety +949

    Watch next, "Bike Fit - How to set up your bike like pro" - GCN

  • @MarkRiddellRacing
    @MarkRiddellRacing Pƙed 4 lety +668

    GCN: Don't set your bike up like a pro...
    Also GCN: how about this video on how to set your bike up like a pro.

    • @enriqueDFTL
      @enriqueDFTL Pƙed 4 lety +6

      TRUE

    • @hugobci
      @hugobci Pƙed 4 lety +16

      These are not excludents. Choose yours advice wisely, like a pro.

    • @simonrano8072
      @simonrano8072 Pƙed 4 lety +12

      they say every thing and there opposite and re-post or remake previous videos every few months only for the sake of views and sponsor ads. The time of usefull tips and neutral gear opinion in gone for a long time. It is juste 90 % commercial content. Si became as ridiculous a second hand car sales man. He could sell his mother should she has 1 mm extra tyre width or 6 % more vertical compliance.

    • @DirtSailor5
      @DirtSailor5 Pƙed 4 lety +8

      @@simonrano8072 you should watch GMBN, in Doddy's recent video he is pushing Muc-off like it's the cure. Every 10 seconds he's pulling a different bottle of Muc-off out of some random orifice. Some of the comments were hilarious though.
      This is more so GMBN but sponsorship used to get your product shown in the video but now the presenters are trying to sell you the products. Instead of how to choose the best grips, it's how to choose the best Ergon grips with a 20 minute infomercial.

    • @sbvera13
      @sbvera13 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      It's almost like they have multiple people that write for them!

  • @jonburnell532
    @jonburnell532 Pƙed 4 lety +279

    When Manon says "regular riders like you and I". Yeah, ok. I wish I was as good as your normal.

    • @PoliticusRex632
      @PoliticusRex632 Pƙed 4 lety +11

      @MRGRUMPY53 Manon is 1 in a million. And I ain't talking riders

    • @tom2038
      @tom2038 Pƙed 4 lety +5

      Right.... I ride like 50 miles and im done

    • @jameshill6817
      @jameshill6817 Pƙed 4 lety +7

      It jarred with me too....she should have said, 'regular riders like you and ME'.

    • @jameshill6817
      @jameshill6817 Pƙed 4 lety +9

      I stand corrected! Manon did actually say '...like ME or you'. Perfect for grammar pedants like me!

    • @2120musiclover
      @2120musiclover Pƙed 3 lety

      Right?! Lol

  • @TimLPINE
    @TimLPINE Pƙed 4 lety +129

    I raced for years including many TT training and racing hours- one of my souvenirs for all that glory, cervical spine (neck) bone spurs and impinged nerves. Twenty years on, nearly no one cares about the glory days and I have many spacers on the stem to correct the painful spine damage. Think hard about the costs of aero to your long term health.

    • @RyanonBasss
      @RyanonBasss Pƙed 3 lety +9

      Thanks for the perspective, putting my spacers back in tonight

    • @protem_music
      @protem_music Pƙed 3 lety +3

      Damn. I have a nerve in my traps near my shoulder blades that hurts whenever I spend a long time on the bike. Now I’m thinking I should’ve gotten a more comfortable frame.

    • @TimLPINE
      @TimLPINE Pƙed 3 lety +4

      @@protem_music Not to frighten you but that's how my bone spurs started to manifest themselves- pain in the traps that then migrated into the deltoids and finally down the left arm and into the fingers (numbness and pain and spasms). Face it- aero and spine health are counter to eachother. Unless, you get yourself a recumbent with a fairing ;)

    • @RayRenati
      @RayRenati Pƙed 3 lety +9

      Same here. I was a pro triathlete in the 80's and now suffer from the same neck issues.

    • @niinuetey9878
      @niinuetey9878 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Build your core strength. And your aero

  • @bonperal
    @bonperal Pƙed 4 lety +191

    "We ride bikes just to enjoy ourselves." I'm not enjoying myself unless I'm suffering...

    • @livininchains4788
      @livininchains4788 Pƙed 4 lety +4

      Suffering uphill. Thats it!

    • @livininchains4788
      @livininchains4788 Pƙed 4 lety +2

      I'm suffering at 36 avs while my girlfriend enjoy herself at 20 av speed

    • @Antifogasta
      @Antifogasta Pƙed 4 lety +3

      There are good psychiatrists who coukld help you with that.

    • @vladimiripotzky5392
      @vladimiripotzky5392 Pƙed 4 lety

      When you want to enjoy riding the bike more, you have to suffer! So no one enjoys the bike more than those pro bikers.😆

    • @imperialred
      @imperialred Pƙed 4 lety

      Dont ever watch GMBN then :D

  • @DevonHasTheGoodz
    @DevonHasTheGoodz Pƙed 4 lety +71

    Manon stop humbling yourself, you ARE a pro! Even Ollie, the "common mans presenter" is pro, even if Manon is faster...

    • @thewidesight
      @thewidesight Pƙed 4 lety +11

      Oliver Bridgewood is so far away from a Pro like the earth from the moon and in contrast to you, he knows it!

  • @chemboy63
    @chemboy63 Pƙed 4 lety +55

    I’m 57 and ride 100 miles a week. If I even attempted to ride a bike with a pro-style setup I’d....well, it wouldn’t be good. In my head, I look like Sagan on my bike. In reality, I’m old, slow, and too damn fat

    • @BIGBalb
      @BIGBalb Pƙed 4 lety +1

      Good luck with having PROstates

    • @alicjapiegatowska1949
      @alicjapiegatowska1949 Pƙed 4 lety +8

      Feel similar but on the other hand, why should I care whether I am old or fat or slow. I enjoy it as it is

    • @michalsekara
      @michalsekara Pƙed 3 lety +9

      You are much better than anyone spending their free time on the sofa

    • @drummerboyharm3078
      @drummerboyharm3078 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      Reconizable for me, but the passion for cycling count's! 👍

    • @Br4tWur5t91
      @Br4tWur5t91 Pƙed 3 lety

      @@michalsekara so you measure the value of a human in it‘s activitytime? I know what you mean, but rethink that expression pl

  • @1barnet1
    @1barnet1 Pƙed 4 lety +11

    Manon, as a former professional athlete you are fully qualified to educate the general riders on why they shouldn't copy your former racing set-ups.
    However you are not a regular rider like us. You far more of a rider then most of us ever will be.
    Telling us from that perspective is not arrogance since you have the achievements to back it up.

  • @robmckinley5475
    @robmckinley5475 Pƙed 4 lety +8

    Finally a video recommending mudguards. Can't believe how many riders I see riding in the wet without mudguards. If it's raining or been raining heavily I get the steel winter bike out with full mudguards. It's hard work but when I hop back on the Cervelo I'm flying.

  • @TryboBike
    @TryboBike Pƙed 4 lety +65

    I wanted to be like my favorite pro rider once. It turns out that EPO is hard to get.

    • @leeoien3645
      @leeoien3645 Pƙed 4 lety +5

      Totally!! I hear that you can still get old U.S. Postal kit though... :0

    • @luukrutten1295
      @luukrutten1295 Pƙed 4 lety +2

      It isnt really....

    • @lechprotean
      @lechprotean Pƙed 4 lety +1

      @@luukrutten1295 it's actually less expensive than some high end bikes

  • @gr8videofun
    @gr8videofun Pƙed 4 lety +27

    Why I can't set up my bike like a pro...... because my thighs will hit my big gut!

  • @fletcherchambers7175
    @fletcherchambers7175 Pƙed 4 lety +55

    "A regular rider like me or you... "
    Ummm... Manon? You are awesome, but I think surrendered your "regular rider" card some time ago. :)

  • @framedge
    @framedge Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Perhaps my favorite line: "Their job is to ride their bikes and then recover from riding their bikes" Key word: recover! LOL. No where is the word "enjoy" mentioned. Manon always a pleasure to listen to.

  • @kevinl6231
    @kevinl6231 Pƙed 3 lety +9

    I love Manon’s voice 😀.

  • @jcsrst
    @jcsrst Pƙed 4 lety +6

    I am 56 and have my stem slammed. I am fortunate that I am VERY flexible. I can ride all day in an aero position. I have also spent my entire life riding in an aero position. This IS comfortable for me, otherwise I wouldn't do it.

    • @jbratt
      @jbratt Pƙed 4 lety

      jcsrst yes I am the the same age and raced for over 20 years. I ride also ride in the same position I always have with a slammed 14cm stem. My gravel bike put me a bit higher and I felt no additional comfort. It felt slow so I found a stem with some drop and it feels right now.

    • @AndrewBlucher
      @AndrewBlucher Pƙed 4 lety +1

      Doing something continuously is way different from (re)starting as an adult. The rule is to make small changes and observe how your body reacts. Often people are riding bikes that are too big and decide to put their seat up a crazy 2 cm and wonder why their hands are numb, back hurts, and hamstrings are screaming.

    • @renatab8293
      @renatab8293 Pƙed 4 lety

      2016 track world champion Manon Lloyd prefers a more comfortable position. She is 23 and fortunate to be reasonably flexible. Ego is a transparent fault that cannot resist showing itself.

    • @jcsrst
      @jcsrst Pƙed 4 lety

      @@renatab8293 Judgement is transparent fault too. My guess is you aren't flexible in any way.

  • @shellypalumbo5297
    @shellypalumbo5297 Pƙed 4 lety +15

    I take that as excellent advice!! Thank you Manon!!
    I always feel like an oddball when out on the trail and passed by a group of amateur wannabe pros.
    I’m not a pro, I’m not even that good of a cyclist.
    I am, however, passionate about cycling and have made my bikes as comfy as possible to allow me to go an enjoyable 100K at my desired performance level.
    BTW,, I’m out to buy a set of mudguards and I don’t care how foolish looking the “pros” on my local trails think I am. Like you said, my boot is dry. LOL

    • @reynoldmichael1348
      @reynoldmichael1348 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      I agree. Good taste in CZcams videos BTW

    • @shellypalumbo5297
      @shellypalumbo5297 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Reynold Michael
      glad you were entertained! Lol

    • @reynoldmichael1348
      @reynoldmichael1348 Pƙed 3 lety

      Seriously tho. I've only been into riding road bikes for a few months. Can you or somebody ....tell me why girls seats have holes in them??? I can't get a straight answer from anyone. I thought that they were for farts trying to escape ;) but I don't know if that would be the real reason.. seriously though. Why poke a hole in your seat!!?? Makes no sense to me.

    • @EvilErdbeerlolly
      @EvilErdbeerlolly Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@reynoldmichael1348 to reduce friction on body parts you don't have ;)

  • @joeottsoulbikes415
    @joeottsoulbikes415 Pƙed 4 lety +26

    A couple of thoughts on what you mentioned. I used to work for a major parts manufacturer. I would get calls or emails from people sometimes wanting a 56 tooth chain ring, 140mm stem, 180mm crank arms and such. First they would get upset that I didnt have such a strange item in stock and then mention that "has to be available to the general public" rule. I would point them to the one and only retailer we had that stocked those strange items for us to say they were indeed available. Then they would call back thinking they were being ripped off, wanting to know why the stem that was normally $120 retail was $780 for the 140mm. I'd have to explain that no one wants those so to shift production to make say just 40 of those for the world was expensive. If you want the strange item you have to pay what it cost to make it.

    • @elijahkwon422
      @elijahkwon422 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      Really people asking for 180mm crank arms?
      Worth nothing nowadays there are companies who make specific parts in big chainrings etc.

    • @DavidslvPT
      @DavidslvPT Pƙed 4 lety +3

      Elijah Kwon if you are about 2 meters tall and have 95cm leg length (inseam measure) it’s possible that the recommended size is 175-180mm

    • @ChrisP978
      @ChrisP978 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      @@DavidslvPT Yes 175 is standard equipment on a XL or L frame bike. 177.5 and 180 are standard options but only available in top line spec (i.e. Dura Ace). My old bike came with 175mm but I eventually swapped them for 172.5. Even if you are tall the longest crank isn't always the best option unless you have the perfect body for it.

    • @ghowell13
      @ghowell13 Pƙed 4 lety

      In my BMX days a group of us had collectively, sets of 170, 175, and 180 crank arms. And rings to swap from 40t to 52t. It all depended on the track.
      The arms were all about leverage, though, as it was a single speed.
      With multi gear setups, it all becomes about leg length, and comfort, staying seated most of the time. So much has changed since the 80's, in both sports.

    • @runningwithshemp
      @runningwithshemp Pƙed 4 lety

      ​@@elijahkwon422 I think it's odd with people who need big and tall they just don't go to Lennard Zinn

  • @dalechen521
    @dalechen521 Pƙed 4 lety +4

    I bought my first bike online and got a 57cm frame size. I’m 1.7m tall, so it is waay to large for me, only allowing me to slam my stem so much. In a way it’s nice for comfort, however my next bike will definitely be more fitting, 52-54cm frame, so I can adapt to a more aero position :). Cycling gives you a lifelong bucket list and I love it

  • @DavidslvPT
    @DavidslvPT Pƙed 4 lety +19

    Funny this video comes in while I’m reading “Bike Fit” by Phil Burt. Indeed pro cyclists have their setup focused on power and being more aerodynamic, sacrificing their comfort (or their ability to sustain those positions for long periods of time). Although I still think that we are failing to see more content on bike fitting advise, i believe it is crucial to get it done specially by someone who knows and understand body position on a bicycle a bio mechanic such as Giuseppe Giannecchini has helped from Pro cyclists to commuters on their bike position. My point is, we may not need that aggressive uncomfortable position for our bike rides but certainly is needed to avoid preventable injuries, starting by getting the correct bike frame. Simple comparison: having an injury will take time to get yourself back on the bicycle, but if is something more serious it will cost for example a visit to the chiropractor (shoulder, neck, lower back etc), the fact that you may have been sustaining a less than ideal position can also be making your body overcompensating (like we seen on Emma Pooley bike fitting video). In the end, a bike fitting session is not the holy grail that you do it once and forget, but it does help you for longer, reduces the risk of serious injuries, makes you comfortable and therefore faster on the bicycle and costs you less than all those chiropractor sessions you will be booking in (and probably all those sport massages you been having because of unbearable pain)

  • @ericpmoss
    @ericpmoss Pƙed 4 lety +4

    Pretty good summary, but I have had so few flats on tubulars compared to clinchers, it doesn't even enter my mind. At the most, I carry a stem remover, some sealant, and a pump. It isn't race-fast, of course, but I've always been able to ride home. Others I know keep a pre-glued tubular wrapped up in a bag, and with strong hands, they rip off the flatted tire and put the spare on in under 3 minutes. They don't do any scary descents on the spare, but they always get home. And the ride quality -- non-racers should get to enjoy a good tubular, too.

  • @julmeissonnier
    @julmeissonnier Pƙed 4 lety +10

    Changing tubulars is perfectly fine when you know what you are doing. Most people telling horror stories about tubulars are people that have not used them for any period of time... Remember that tubulars were also what was used way back when racers were repairing their own punctures. If you know what you are doing it is actually faster to repair than a clincher. Not even talking about tubeless which are actually more likely to end up in calling a cab the (few) times you will get a puncture that won't seal or a big hole...

    • @jalspach9215
      @jalspach9215 Pƙed 4 lety +5

      Said this very thing on a blog yesterday. I'm 60 years-old/raced thru the 1980's. Didn't switch to clinchers (exclusively for training) until late 1989 for cost reasons. To this day I run tubulars on my race wheelsets. Way back when they were also called "sew-ups". Can't count how many Vittoria Corsa CX's I did "surgery" on - taught by a coach from Italy. I actually grew to enjoy it. Also, the same coach taught me how to properly fold a spare pre-glued (older) tubular very tightly into a small package - wrapped in newspaper (& tiny nylon drawstring bag from a camping store) & tucked under the back of the seat with a spare toe strap. The coach also said that in Italy, when he was young their "fuel" bottle was filled with a mix of Chianti, sugar & raw egg. Mmmmm! So, ok, lets skip the sugar & egg. Eh? We now live in a soft, instant gratification era. All I keep hearing out there is tubulars are "messy", a pain, & as Manon (ill advises IMHO) here, (sic) "..you'll never get a spare on in the field/impossible!". Bullcrap! Agreed, julmessionier! One MUST practice doing it with proper technique. And understand they need to be pre-stretched. Yada yada. I just can't get over the modern wank/whine factor. All this tech/marketing/social media has turned everyone into farmed rabbits. And tubeless? Yeah right! I've been searching 40 years for that one vaccination against everything. Horse pookie! Soul Surfer/Soul Cyclist/Triathlete/Free Diver. No narcissistic GoPro footage. No expensive telemetry ever! I knew my watts because I knew my body. And I won! "...Long ago, it must be. I have a photograph. Preserve your memories. They're all that's left you." -Bookends - Simon & Garfunkel. Cheers.

    • @DanCave
      @DanCave Pƙed 4 lety

      @@jalspach9215 Properly applied/installed tubs on wheels feel ace.

  • @huwprice881
    @huwprice881 Pƙed 4 lety

    If only we’d had CZcams 35 years ago! My first ‘proper’ road bike; Vitus 979 (the cool bonded alloy one Sean Kelly rode), Mavic GP4 rims on Mavic 501 hubs (yep, tubular!), Shimano 600 groupset, Campag Nuevo Record pedals with Cinelli clips and double straps, 42/52 11-21 6spd freewheel 11-13-15-17-19-21; I live in the Surrey Hills and it’s all short sharp climbs. I loved that bike and rode it everywhere, but it didn’t do me any favours long term and I’m struggling to ride at all now. Good advice from Manon here.

  • @knightofnever
    @knightofnever Pƙed 3 lety +2

    Love Manon's fresh and snarky approach in the videos. She's pretty much a perfect10 for this channel.

  • @gadget5129
    @gadget5129 Pƙed 4 lety

    Well done! This is a long overdue topic. Kudos to GCN and to Manon.

  • @ljadf
    @ljadf Pƙed 4 lety +10

    I wish there were more videos saying "this is how pros do it, but you should do it like this". Great video!

  • @markalison2073
    @markalison2073 Pƙed 4 lety

    I know all this already but it’s good to be reminded about it and bring me down to earth again!

  • @guidospanoghe8896
    @guidospanoghe8896 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    I love the tubulars on my racebike. When I puncture I pour some sealant in via the valvestem.
    Sometimes it 's necessary to replace the tubular tyre by a spare preglued one. It takes me less than 10 minutes.
    When the glue isn 't to old you can keep on riding at fairly normal speed even in the corners with a pressure of 8 bar.

  • @hjuha19010
    @hjuha19010 Pƙed 4 lety

    I very much appreciate this video and the timing.

  • @DJchr15tian
    @DJchr15tian Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Great video to help us understanding that sometimes it's better to set a limit since we aren't pros đŸ‘đŸ»

  • @saurabhsonic
    @saurabhsonic Pƙed 3 lety

    Absolutely loved this video and the advice given!

  • @KelicWu
    @KelicWu Pƙed 4 lety

    Thanks for video! Simple and clear!

  • @youtubechangemynamewhy
    @youtubechangemynamewhy Pƙed 3 lety +7

    Don’t forget mudguards and front basket, equally important

  • @joshpeck7381
    @joshpeck7381 Pƙed 4 lety +38

    I’ve gradually slammed my stem over the years of riding and it is comfortable and aero đŸ€·đŸ»â€â™‚ïž

    • @santiagobenites
      @santiagobenites Pƙed 4 lety +2

      Me too!

    • @patiorio1538
      @patiorio1538 Pƙed 4 lety +4

      I agree just because they say up right position supposed to be more comfortable doesn't necessarily mean it's going be more comfortable to everyone .I spent 300.00 on bike fit it was comfortable but it still bother me .than I switch for a stem that more slammed down so much relief on my neck .To me being up right position all the time bother my neck I can't speak for everyone out there it should go by what feels good to you .and I choose to ride Tubular tires because clinchers suck.

    • @brankododig1585
      @brankododig1585 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      I just slammed it one day, sawed off the excess and rode it like that afterwards. đŸ€·â€â™‚ïž.

    • @kennethreister7619
      @kennethreister7619 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      Worked for me too. Well, not absolutely comfortable, but quite tolerable for 25 to 35 miles.

  • @naehh73
    @naehh73 Pƙed 4 lety

    This is gold! Thanks Manon & the rest of you guys at the GCN network! Now send me some gear :-D

  • @DebashisTalukdar
    @DebashisTalukdar Pƙed 3 lety

    That's some of the most sensible advice that I've heard. Thank you! 😊

  • @danielmagana5125
    @danielmagana5125 Pƙed 3 lety

    Highly valuable advice, the sport medicine and therapy is the other side of the professional cycling that we don’t see but it’s there.
    Cheers from NYC

  • @marcdaniels9079
    @marcdaniels9079 Pƙed 4 lety +7

    Best episode ever. So much sense talked by Manon. Slammed stems are like slammed Vauxhall Corsas - minority appeal and extremely uncomfortable. Compacts and big cassettes have opened up cycling to so many more people.

    • @DavidvdGulik
      @DavidvdGulik Pƙed 4 lety

      Not everyone's the same. I regularly do 4+ hour rides in supreme comfort on my slammed stem machine. Also, GCN never said you should slam your stem, they just suggested why someone might want to, which were legitimate reasons. If you want to get free speed, and it isn't uncomfortable, make your bike as pro as you like

  • @grantbratrud4949
    @grantbratrud4949 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Agreed. The needs of comfort transition along a continuum to the needs of survival if you ride as I do year-round at fairly high latitudes in mid-continent North America: it's not merely about staying comfortable, it's about not freezing to death. For example, despite the shocking density of frigid, dry air (compared with balmy), a more upright position accommodates bulkier clothing.

  • @helioav
    @helioav Pƙed 4 lety

    Great video, i show to all my friends!

  • @rafi_45
    @rafi_45 Pƙed 4 lety

    True.. i feel it now. My body feel so sore this week because I set my bycicle look like pro's. Now I realize that I am just a regular rider. Thanks for the video.

  • @leighsimmonds2995
    @leighsimmonds2995 Pƙed 4 lety +44

    I was with you all the way... until mudguards!

    • @STruple12
      @STruple12 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      I too am very fond of needing to wash my bike after every ride. Fenders all the way!

    • @blubaughmr
      @blubaughmr Pƙed 4 lety +1

      I thought that was funny. Even in rainy Seattle, only one of my bikes (the commuter) has fenders. The bikes meant for fun, don't.

    • @afterburn2600
      @afterburn2600 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@STruple12 My bike is a 19yo Giant TCR with no mudguards. It has only been washed occasionally and works perfectly. Not sure why you'd have to wash it constantly unless you're on the OCD side of the spectrum. For reference, I live in a place with moderate annual rainfall numbers (1270mm or 50in depending on your unit of measurement bias).

    • @STruple12
      @STruple12 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@afterburn2600 That was a half-assed joke, I'm not an OCD freak, don't worry. TCR is a road bike - if you a re lucky enough to ride it only on clean asphalt then good for you! MANY people do not have conditions like this and need to look somewhat decent when they arrive (e.g. without a mud stain on your backside) to their destination and that's what fenders are for.
      If you use your bike for fun or have clothes to change to in your destination, then feel free to continue to not use them. Every bike looks better without them

    • @christophhanck
      @christophhanck Pƙed 3 lety

      My even more advanced "how not to behave like a pro"-advice regarding mudguards would be to just train indoors or not at all when it's wet ;-).

  • @richaw6689
    @richaw6689 Pƙed 4 lety

    Great stuff Manon!

  • @Giannis_Sarafis
    @Giannis_Sarafis Pƙed 3 lety

    Very well said! Thanks for sharing!

  • @DavidIrwinsPage
    @DavidIrwinsPage Pƙed 4 lety +5

    I rode tubulars for years and I'd much rather change a flat tubular than replace a tube on the side of the road. The trick is to have the tire pre-stretched with some old glue already on the tape.

    • @danielfox1301
      @danielfox1301 Pƙed 3 lety

      Yeah I ride tubs and they are nowhere near as difficult to maintain as many make out. Prestretch and glue. If you get a puncture, quick check, stick some sealant in, inflate. If that doesn't work, Rip OT off, replace, inflate. Off you go.

  • @transnd
    @transnd Pƙed 4 lety +1

    A hunched-over-low position is good for downhill I find, and although is indeed strenuous on the lower back, can be quite tolerable when used in moderation.

  • @theanimaster
    @theanimaster Pƙed 4 lety

    This is why I’m getting threadless tube extensions and shortening the length of my stem on my new Procaliber to match the comfort of my older 4300 series bike.

  • @melvynnl1395
    @melvynnl1395 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Omg, I can relate to this so much. I had this headache not too long ago and I didn’t know the cause until my friend suggested me it might be attributed to my saddle position being too high. As a medic, I searched for different kinds of headache and found that there really is a type of headache called cervicogenic headache, where due to tight neck muscles, your cervical nerves are being under pressure and cause you pain. Apparently, my saddle height forced me to raising my neck all the time and putting strain on it... lesson learned:(

  • @stevenwhitlatch1043
    @stevenwhitlatch1043 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    I ride tubular tires and it is just as easy to swap a spare tubular as it is to change a tube out.

  • @jameshrlee
    @jameshrlee Pƙed 3 lety +16

    If I can't be a pro, I want to feel like one 😂

  • @gregturner2668
    @gregturner2668 Pƙed 4 lety +2

    I've run tubs for years, including commuting around 300km a week riding in and out of London during the winter. I've always used Pit Stop pro to fix punctures and it has always worked with one exception when I just had to get the train home. Pit Stop Pro works really well and you do get far fewer punctures with tubs anyway. I think in 20,000km ridden I had maybe four or five punctures.

    • @leem.kneeson84
      @leem.kneeson84 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      I'll try this. Any time I see tubs I run away typically

  • @hiddenrob6289
    @hiddenrob6289 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Lets be honest we all love cycling videos this is just what I need to get it going the blood I love it. I always watch these before I go out and get my body moving. I love when I always watch one of these, and then put up my heavy playlist I love like Delta Parole and then I just go haaaaard!!!! Tactic hasnt let me down yet.

  • @jasonjenkins1975
    @jasonjenkins1975 Pƙed 4 lety

    great vid, good points....Enjoy you ride :)

  • @keithgreaves6004
    @keithgreaves6004 Pƙed 4 lety +25

    I'd agree with all that...apart from the mudguards, can't be having them.

    • @shubceee
      @shubceee Pƙed 3 lety

      Yeah i feel like an old man lol

    • @rxonmymind8362
      @rxonmymind8362 Pƙed 3 lety +2

      You look really sexy with a streak going from your butt up to your back. 😁
      I'll put rain guards only if it's raining that day otherwise I'll take them off.

    • @samharrison8723
      @samharrison8723 Pƙed 2 lety

      There was always a rule on club runs, mudguards from say, 1st Nov to 1st April (it probably varies a bit) If you didn't have them you had to ride at the back.

  • @rasmuswi
    @rasmuswi Pƙed 4 lety +1

    In the 70s almost everyone with a road bike used tubulars. My dad rode from Sweden to Marseille on a road bike with tubs, and he had to fix a couple of flats along the way, so I'm sure it's fully doable.

  • @tornagawn
    @tornagawn Pƙed 3 lety

    Forgotten the site, but I used a bike setup that offered 3 options. From memory I think one was the Merckx- long low horizontal back, then less severe, then comfort/ touring fit which is the one I chose for the Century ride around Lake Taupo in NZ

  • @bracolli
    @bracolli Pƙed 3 lety +11

    Literally just came inside from slamming my stem... are you kidding me đŸ€·đŸ»â€â™‚ïž

  • @richardhaselwood9478
    @richardhaselwood9478 Pƙed 4 lety +23

    Great episode. I have to admit, I have 0 interest in copying any pro's position or set up.

    • @s1mpleniko488
      @s1mpleniko488 Pƙed 4 lety +4

      The only thing i wanna copy is how low they are when sprinting

  • @s23bho38
    @s23bho38 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Great video Manon. 90% of riders go out to enjoy riding and not to compete. The other 10% can re watch the GCN videos on how to set up your bike like a pro. 🇬🇧

  • @leftymadrid
    @leftymadrid Pƙed 4 lety +3

    Yes, I set up my bike like a pro, exactly like the best riders... gear ratios, the whole bit!
    Now, I just look at it, but boy does she looks fantastic!!

  • @miguelflorit4187
    @miguelflorit4187 Pƙed 3 lety

    Great advice thx !

  • @davidmartin305
    @davidmartin305 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Most Mudguards are too short and you still get soaked following someone with them. The only ones I've seen working are those with big home-made mudflaps attached, that almost touch the ground.

  • @qEnergize
    @qEnergize Pƙed 4 lety +5

    Stems are supposed to be slammed... just make sure to get the right size bike for you as well as a matching geometry

    • @Skooteh
      @Skooteh Pƙed 4 lety

      Stem spacers allow you to fine tune the position of the bike to yourself. Unless your frame is custom made or you get really lucky, slamming the stem is usually going to put you in the wrong position. Honestly, I really like having a longer headtube because I can adjust my position depending on what I'm doing.

  • @electroookris6768
    @electroookris6768 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Well done. This is one of the most important videos. The things you mention should be conventional wisdom.

  • @alanmckellar908
    @alanmckellar908 Pƙed 3 lety

    Good reminders GCN...keeping it clear what supports our ego and what is really needed ; ).

  • @naren2087
    @naren2087 Pƙed 4 lety

    Tks for imp info... 👍

    • @gcntech
      @gcntech  Pƙed 4 lety +1

      Glad you found it useful!

  • @isiahwilliams4646
    @isiahwilliams4646 Pƙed 2 lety

    Great info.

  • @amerasia5189
    @amerasia5189 Pƙed 3 lety

    Good video et informative. Thak you.

  • @PaulMoran01
    @PaulMoran01 Pƙed 4 lety +5

    "Regular rider like you or me". Manon, I wish that I was one tenth the rider you are!

  • @pni2009
    @pni2009 Pƙed 3 lety

    Couldn't agree more. Finally a GCN video that makes sense, like in the old days. Please more videos with common sense, (use of mud guards, lights, high viz clothing, mechanics) and less fat tyre and gravel bikes nonsense.

  • @RobertoHerreraPeres
    @RobertoHerreraPeres Pƙed 3 lety

    Wise video. Thanks

  • @arthurmcneal6421
    @arthurmcneal6421 Pƙed 4 lety

    Explained very well indeed.

  • @janwillemkuilenburg7561
    @janwillemkuilenburg7561 Pƙed 4 lety +5

    Well, considering position on the bike, I do not agree. If you have a flexible body you can slam your stem completely in gradual steps. I am 62 and it took me just 15-20 rides of around 125 km to get stronger back and core muscles that allow me to cycle in a deep position during my rides without any problems. We are always told to adapt our setup to our body, but your body can also adapt to your bike setup.

  • @watch-ya-lukin-at
    @watch-ya-lukin-at Pƙed 4 lety

    I enjoyed this video, there is a lil unspoken pressure between cyclist of stages they are at and with a glance you can see who is more serious about the sport than others. I personally have a MTB and a road bike, I can cycle the distance if need be but I don't pressure myself to be like everyone else as their experience to me is different. They don't have my knee injury or my 12hr shifts on their minds. (mostly)

  • @MPH-iq5md
    @MPH-iq5md Pƙed 4 lety +4

    Great advice, even if our dreams are dampened!

  • @basvredeling
    @basvredeling Pƙed 4 lety +1

    I think keeping a small “chimney” on steerer tube makes a lot of sense if you want to be able to change your position in the spring when your less flexible then in the autumn after a summer of riding.

    • @prestachuck2867
      @prestachuck2867 Pƙed 4 lety

      Bas Vredeling 5mm on top of the stem sufficient for most.

    • @basvredeling
      @basvredeling Pƙed 4 lety

      @MRGRUMPY53 If you don't ride a lot in the winter it's a lot harder to stay low for long periods on end. Well, at least for me it is. Might also be the christmas belly, but hey... same rules apply.
      Easing your position slightly, moving the bars up, is really helpful. I've also tryed flipping my stem in the past, but that's quite drastic change, even with a 8% angle. Rather just move a spacer ring down to have a little lift and ease the back a bit.

  • @AngelGonzalez-hc4zw
    @AngelGonzalez-hc4zw Pƙed 3 lety

    I wish compact cranks existed back in the 80s. Climbing a cat 1 climb on a 42 x 23 absolutely sucks but I kept doing it for the love of climbing.

  • @realsstates1180
    @realsstates1180 Pƙed 4 lety

    I find it helpful to rewatch this video before a purchase

  • @carlstatham594
    @carlstatham594 Pƙed 4 lety +3

    Tubs and tufu tape .... I can change a tub as quickly as an inner tube. Or I just put latex puncture repair in. It's more the cost issue.

  • @kevinc1315
    @kevinc1315 Pƙed 4 lety

    I agree with using clinchers or tubeless tires over tubular tires. The rest of the advice I don't agree with unless you are a casual cyclist. Casual riders don't generally follow GCN in my experience.
    .
    I upgraded my groupset from Shimano 105 to Dura Ace, slammed my stem, and replaced it with a 130mm drop stem and carbon aero handlebars. I ditched my compact 105 crankset 50/34T for a standard 53/39T Dura Ace crankset because I was running out of gears on my rides. For the first two weeks I was slower due to the drastically lower riding position (my body wasn't used to it) and then after a month, my muscles adapted and now I'm one minutes and 40 seconds faster for every 15 miles ridden. I consider myself an avid cyclist who does a lot of group rides. The guys I ride with are very fast and now I'm the second fastest rider in my group (I was in the middle before).
    .
    I agree that copying the pros isn't for everyone. I'm not a pro and don't desire to be one. I do enjoy giving myself every edge and advantage through improved gear and setup. The low aero riding position is becoming more and more comfortable as time goes on. I don't experience back pain after my rides anymore.

  • @tarektawba6052
    @tarektawba6052 Pƙed 3 lety

    This is exactly what i needed to hear

  • @BlaqRaq
    @BlaqRaq Pƙed 3 lety

    😊
    I really liked the double take on the “oh, no” expression. Did a few rewinds on it. Absolutely loved it. Lol.

  • @timocallaghan4408
    @timocallaghan4408 Pƙed 3 lety

    I have seen so many friends get stranded by punctures on tubeless. Unless you hit something small like a thorn, the sealant just vomits everywhere and does nothing to keep the air in. And naturally, that is your ride done. Yet you keep pushing tubeless on the basis of marginal rolling resistance gains instead of the endlessly more practical inner tubes (latex or plastic if you are really concerned about weight and rolling resistance). Two simple tyre levers, a patch or new tube and a pump later, you're back on the road.

  • @williamwallace5201
    @williamwallace5201 Pƙed 4 lety +15

    Dinner plate on the front? Dinner plate goes on the back; I climb vertical walls

    • @shannontrainer5857
      @shannontrainer5857 Pƙed 4 lety

      You sound like a mountie to me.

    • @yash2004veer
      @yash2004veer Pƙed 3 lety

      @@shannontrainer5857 haha lol mountain biking is really fun too

  • @stockbore
    @stockbore Pƙed 3 lety

    Love you Manon. đŸ˜†âœŒïž

  • @williamsoens9973
    @williamsoens9973 Pƙed 3 lety

    This is interesting and well presented with a clear and precise voice. That doesn't mean that I agree with the whole content though! I have been in this sport since the Norman invasion (it seems like that) being involved in virtually all aspects and I would submit that most of the road riders are now riding with their bars too low. This achieves, sometimes, the opposite of an aero position with the arms dead straight and almost underneath the body when riding on the drops. Look at some riders from the past, particularly Bernard Hinaut and his peers. They achieved superb aero positions with the bars higher, so that they could get a flat back plus a more comfortable climbing position. Going even further back, Anquetil, achieved an aero position with his bars higher again. Obviously no-one used tri-bars then. Better stop now otherwise some will think that I have little time for modern riders which is the precise opposite of the truth. Time to go and watch the Daufine on the TV.

  • @stevebrown7281
    @stevebrown7281 Pƙed 3 lety

    Ride what’s comfortable for you I ride slammed on my summer road bike but been doing it for 30 years I find it very comfortable and it improves the handling placing more weight over the front wheel especially if it’s damp👍

  • @jmdee3933
    @jmdee3933 Pƙed 2 lety

    Looking like a pro while riding our bike is cool but this video gives me an eye opener about enjoying riding out bike without mimicking a pro cyclist way of riding. Simple enjoy riding and also don't forget to be extra carful on roads.

  • @rr8299
    @rr8299 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    “Oh no....oh no” had no idea GCN can be spicy!!! @2:47

  • @martinnormanton2730
    @martinnormanton2730 Pƙed 3 lety

    Good advice, watching pro videos can be self deflating but at 215lb and prolapsed disc issues for 30 years I'll never be a club cyclist, I've realised my expectations. I took up biking 2 years ago after moving from UK to Thailand. Spent a mere ÂŁ200 on a road bike, set the seat height and found the handlebars were tooooo low, I had to increase my stem height by 100mm. Now 'manage to ride 50-70km with relatively pain free back (the old legs still feeling it though, as it should for a 58 year old)

  • @mikelboudica5389
    @mikelboudica5389 Pƙed 4 lety

    I am currently running a 110mm minus 17 degree. I can ride 4 hours like that and it saves me a lot of energy and it forces me to be low on the bike. For me something extreme would be anything bigger than a 120mm, even though you can have a look that is extreme but not really. For example, sprinters usually ride smaller sizes, some climbers do too, so to make the cockpit longer they play with the length and degree of the steam. In my case is something similar, I can ride a 54cm or a 52 cm, with the 52 the set up looks more aggressive because I have the seat higher relative to the handlebars and swap the steam for a 110mm with a - 17 degree angle, by doing this I extended the cockpit. This is something that more males than females have to do, given that there are shorter-legged men than women; so more men have to play with the steam to ride the size they prefer. Also, longer steam helps you a lot descending as you can see by a video and research made by your own channel. This video came out patronizing and not to well informed. Also, even recreational riders and non-pros have goals and are fast. Here in California, even cat 5 riders have what you call "aggressive" setups.. Man some of us actually race, just we might be slow but we race and that is how we have fun and what makes us train and ride our bike. You are talking to people that like you feel like chilling and riding a bike, if you want to that just buy an $800 dollar bike and leave the bibs home, get a cruiser. Extreme endurance set ups on $6000 dollar plus bike is only acceptable for old cyclists that have cycled all their lives, it basically defeats the purpose of buying a bike with the geometry that has been developed in a wind tunnel.

  • @franciscocustodio9631
    @franciscocustodio9631 Pƙed 3 lety

    Love it!

  • @KCC1667
    @KCC1667 Pƙed 3 lety

    Thank you. Very useful/

  • @marvinsmall5002
    @marvinsmall5002 Pƙed 4 lety +12

    In the garage next to the lawnmower... Yep. I'm that man.😂😂 Always like her films . Down to earth and no crap. 😊👍

  • @mattbangkok
    @mattbangkok Pƙed 4 lety +8

    When I set my bike up like a pro my Enormous Stomach gets in the way of my Knees. But if I Lean Back everything is fine.

  • @bsothefirst
    @bsothefirst Pƙed 3 lety

    I've got a vibrating foam roller from pulseroll, it's as good as a masseur👌

  • @cuthbertbsc9665
    @cuthbertbsc9665 Pƙed 4 lety +5

    I think over the years GCN has promoted the very opposite of this view and it's a problem with the whole bike industry really, particularly road bikes. E.g. this idea that a 36t chainring and 34t cassette is "easy" and will allow you to whizz up 20%+ hills with no problems - maybe I'm just a weakling but I had to go down to 30t at the front. Part of this problem is that GCN seems to only hire former pros as its presenters, giving an unbalanced view about what cycling is about.

    • @charliewhiskey8440
      @charliewhiskey8440 Pƙed 3 lety

      I fitted a custom 28/44 (110/74 spider on square taper BB of course how else?) on my road bike and love it! Right transmission for the right engine.

    • @sevegarza
      @sevegarza Pƙed 2 lety

      Ya. Like every video they keep talking about watts this and watts that, you'll be a little faster is you do this, this is more arrow dynamic, and this will save you minutes. Like I care about all that? I just want to enjoy my ride, not compete in the tour.

  • @lightningll2991
    @lightningll2991 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Trained on tubs all the time because that's all there was for a good tire if you flat peel it off and stretch a new one on. I don't understand how that's almost impossible to do out on the road.