E-2C Hawkeye Nearly Crashes Into Sea After Arresting Cable Snaps

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  • čas přidán 12. 08. 2016
  • Navy Pilots assigned to the Screwtops of Airborne Early Warning (VAW) 123 are awarded the Armed Forces’ Air Medal aboard the aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69) for saving their E-2C Hawkeye aircraft from a crash during a landing accident.
    On 19 March 2016, and E-2C assigned to VAW-123 attempted an arrested landing onboard USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69). The mishap aircraft successfully engaged the number 4 wire, but the #4 arresting gear engine failed to effectively decelerate the aircraft as it continued through the landing area. As the aircraft approached the angled deck, the cress deck pendant parted, and the forward momentum of the aircraft carried it over the end of the angled deck. The mishap aircrew recovered the aircraft and safely returned to port. The root cause of this mishap was determined to be a lack of procedural compliance by 3 Eisenhower maintenance personnel while troubleshooting the #4 arresting gear engine following a system-reported fault code on a prior arrestment; specifically, while executing an approved Naval Air Systems Command procedure to clear the fault code and restore the arresting gear engine, the qualified maintenance personnel missed at least one and possibly two critical steps, resulting in the inadvertent programming of a valve that controls arresting gear engine pressure and energy absorption during an arrestment. Thus, on arrestment, the valve failed to seat rapidly enough, and the arresting gear engine exceeded its nominal stroke length, causing the engine to two-block and transfer the arrestment load to the cross deck pendant. The exceeded the cross deck pendant’s breaking strength causing the pendant to part at or near the mishap aircraft’s tail-hook engagement point.
    There were no fatalities and the plane made it back to Naval Station Norfolk undamaged.
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Komentáře • 265

  • @monguzzle
    @monguzzle Před 2 lety +91

    Every time I see this I'm amazed at the fact that the crew had the balls to keep the nose down when they came off the deck. Airspeed is life!

    • @USN1985dos
      @USN1985dos Před rokem +13

      Seriously, that had to be going against every instinct they had, but it undoubtedly saved them.

    • @StabbyJoe135
      @StabbyJoe135 Před 5 měsíci +3

      The outcome? "Congrats, you survived our maintenance fkup nightmare so you get a medal"

    • @UltimateGaming-ih
      @UltimateGaming-ih Před 5 měsíci

      @@USN1985dos Training does some awesome stuff

    • @counterfit5
      @counterfit5 Před 5 měsíci +1

      It doesn't look like the nose was down at all. I think it actually comes up a little. They're at full thrust at that point anyway, so they wouldn't need to drop it for speed.

    • @monguzzle
      @monguzzle Před 5 měsíci +6

      @@counterfit5I’m talking more about the fact that nobody snatched alpha and stalled it. Ice cold flying.

  • @TLN-qu4rq
    @TLN-qu4rq Před 8 lety +158

    That is nothing short of incredible flying by these two pilots. It gives me chills at the thought of coming that close to the water in a nearly stalling E-2.

    • @diegrinder6851
      @diegrinder6851 Před 2 lety +2

      It has happened, there was training footage of one going in the drink, back in the day. Not sure if everyone got out or not? I think I remember the enlisted air-crewman popped the escape hatch, under the radar dish, and he got out? I thought it was a film we watched in shipboard firefighting school?

    • @philosophypro4447
      @philosophypro4447 Před rokem

      Not to mention the bird in question is aerodymically unstable per its design.

    • @S_Mishere
      @S_Mishere Před rokem +1

      That was my stepdad’s best friend

  • @allamericandude15
    @allamericandude15 Před 8 lety +119

    If you listen closely you can hear the "woosh" of the entire crew's asses clenching.

    • @NASWOG
      @NASWOG Před 3 lety +6

      I was there, you’re right. People did get badly hurt but couldve been much worse

    • @kentr2424
      @kentr2424 Před 2 lety

      @@NASWOG Someone on deck got hit by the broken cable? Hope they were able to fully recover.

    • @NASWOG
      @NASWOG Před 2 lety +3

      @@kentr2424 yeah, several got hit. Somehow they were all able to recover. Those cables are incredibly heavy and flung at high speeds. Crazy.

  • @moriver3857
    @moriver3857 Před 3 lety +62

    One thing not mentioned is that unlike jets engines that take time to spool up, turboprop engine response is instantaneous and the propwash actually provide some lift over the wings. This fact and the skills of the crew to keep cool and keep straight and level flight, saved the day. Great job!

    • @afcgeo882
      @afcgeo882 Před 3 lety +1

      That’s because they rotate at the same speed, but change prop blade pitch.

    • @Markus-zb5zd
      @Markus-zb5zd Před 3 lety +8

      Actually turboprops have delayed response as well, compared to piston engines.

    • @afcgeo882
      @afcgeo882 Před 3 lety +6

      @@Markus-zb5zd Not with variable pitch props. Keep pace with the conversation!

    • @nasto19nj
      @nasto19nj Před 2 lety +7

      They keep the throttle up when landing for just this reason. The engines were already “spooled” up.

    • @FlyNAA
      @FlyNAA Před 2 lety +3

      Markus and George L… it depends on the engine. In a free power turbine engine like the PT-6, the core can be at idle RPM and need the spool up time same as a jet, despite the props being at 100% RPM, even with variable pitch. The blades are flat pitch and making low thrust, and have to wait for the core to catch up and provide power. As the power comes in, the blades go coarse to absorb the power and turn it into thrust. OTOH a single spool (“direct drive” as sometimes called) engine like those on the Hawkeye, the entire engine is already at nearly 100% RPM, the fuel controller just has to dump the fuel in which is instantaneous.

  • @shaind
    @shaind Před 8 lety +68

    It rose again like...... a phoenix!

  • @stevoschannel4127
    @stevoschannel4127 Před 2 lety +14

    How that ship kept flying is beyond comprehension! She looked like she was nearly stopped when the wire parted! Guess thats why full power is applied when you hit the deck…fantastic work.

  • @randyllarson
    @randyllarson Před 8 lety +95

    It must feel good to know you saved the LIVES of your CREW !! CONGRATULATIONS
    keep it up.

    • @codyking4848
      @codyking4848 Před 3 lety +2

      Make no mistake, the only thought they had at that moment was saving their own asses. Saving the rest of the crew was a bonus.

  • @PewPr0
    @PewPr0 Před 8 lety +106

    pucker factor 9.7

    • @luckyc336
      @luckyc336 Před 3 lety +1

      Omg... The people really in danger were those getting hit by the snapped arrestor cable

    • @ross_theboss
      @ross_theboss Před 3 lety +3

      That’s a 10.0 for me haha!

    • @brianwesley28
      @brianwesley28 Před 2 lety

      @@luckyc336 Very dangerous job.

    • @M4c223c
      @M4c223c Před 2 lety +2

      I think I’d have broke the dial and clenched to 11

  • @everettebungue7259
    @everettebungue7259 Před 5 lety +17

    That is a pure presence of mind and stability under pressure

  • @Apodalont
    @Apodalont Před 3 lety +20

    Incredible airmanship and skill!

  • @Frehleyacedude
    @Frehleyacedude Před 2 lety +8

    I am a former screwtop on board USS America back in 1985. Makes me proud to see this

  • @ernie548
    @ernie548 Před 2 lety +15

    I server on a carrier for 2 years. Pilots really dread this for many reasons, one of which is the fact the carrier will literally run them over if they splasdown right off the deck . It's a terrible situation. Now add night and bad weather to this and you get the fear level. It's hairy .

    • @h8GW
      @h8GW Před rokem

      Isn't the end of the angled deck hanging over the water and not in the path of any part of the hull, though? -oh wait there's the ship's wake-

  • @erichall3090
    @erichall3090 Před 4 lety +58

    Grateful that all of my shipmates ended up ok after this. I was actually on watch when this happened. Very scary and very fortunate for all involved. Many injuries, many scares but thankfully no deaths.

    • @OrdinaryViewer808
      @OrdinaryViewer808 Před 3 lety

      Didnt one of them suffer a brain injury?

    • @StabbyJoe135
      @StabbyJoe135 Před 5 měsíci +3

      ​@@OrdinaryViewer808"Meanwhile, the No. 4 wire snapped and swung across the flight deck, hitting eight sailors and causing injuries from minor lacerations to broken bones and a cracked skull, some of which the sailors are still healing from months later."
      That's what a news article said on the matter

  • @Incognito-vc9wj
    @Incognito-vc9wj Před 3 lety +8

    This ladies and gents is why they go full throttle on touchdown.

  • @RedArrow73
    @RedArrow73 Před 11 měsíci +2

    The Public needs to hear a lot more stories like this!

  • @richardmcgowan1651
    @richardmcgowan1651 Před 3 lety +36

    Though it is an amazing recovery keep in mind 8 deck crew were injured and 1 with a serious head injury. If you watch the footage you can see crew members running to the back.

    • @adamthompson8432
      @adamthompson8432 Před 2 lety +4

      I was just asking if anyone got hurt? That’s to bad. I hope by now they’ve made a full recovery. Prayers I hate they don’t mention them. Pilots get all the glory. Do get me wrong these pilots are badass.

  • @craigpennington1251
    @craigpennington1251 Před 2 lety +7

    The Hawkeye is a heavy aircraft. Outstanding flying.

    • @eriktruchinskas3747
      @eriktruchinskas3747 Před 2 lety +2

      Yes but it has props and a large unswept wing, if it didnt it wouldnt have made it

  • @Knightfang1
    @Knightfang1 Před 2 lety +2

    Outstanding job keeping that bird out of the drink. This is every carrier pilots nightmare. Catching the wire so it starts to slow you down and then having it snap before it has slowed you enough to stop

  • @carlosparacio5679
    @carlosparacio5679 Před 2 lety +2

    With a great mustache, comes great responsibility.

  • @markviereck4547
    @markviereck4547 Před 8 lety +6

    That is totally amazing. What a great job by this pilot. Thank god

  • @billymania11
    @billymania11 Před rokem +2

    An amazing save! Those pilots clearly have the right stuff.

  • @mmnm8540
    @mmnm8540 Před 8 lety +37

    Fucking amazing well done pilot.

  • @Dasycottus
    @Dasycottus Před 8 měsíci

    Glad to see that this was acknowledged

  • @zachboyd4749
    @zachboyd4749 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you ground effect!

  • @tophat1676
    @tophat1676 Před rokem

    Wow very cool. Epitome of professional under extremely uncertain circumstances... Great video.. Congrats to them...

  • @gopherbar
    @gopherbar Před 2 lety +1

    Brilliant job guys well done

  • @yhird
    @yhird Před rokem

    Great job guys.

  • @pty_foto
    @pty_foto Před 8 lety +3

    what a close call....

  • @nengamulaz127
    @nengamulaz127 Před 2 lety +5

    Wow!!!the level of cutting edge training was the culmination of that incredible climb out!
    Look at the elation from the men n women on the deck after seeing the acft soar back into the sky!!

  • @serotonin67
    @serotonin67 Před rokem

    So, I was visiting VAW123 and left just days prior to this heroic incident. I will always have admirable memories of men and women of VAW 123

  • @pixelgamer2579
    @pixelgamer2579 Před 8 lety +3

    Now that's a pilot...

  • @likydsplit8483
    @likydsplit8483 Před 3 lety +2

    Pilot and crew automatically issued new underwear as step 1 of the “debrief”

  • @squatchpnw2331
    @squatchpnw2331 Před 2 lety +1

    Well done! They definitely earned that medal 🏅🥇

  • @ARGONUAT
    @ARGONUAT Před 17 dny +1

    Great job crewdogs!!!

  • @porkypine52
    @porkypine52 Před 2 lety

    One HELL of a set of 'em!!! GOOD JOB GUYS We have the BEST.

  • @bobmillerick300
    @bobmillerick300 Před 2 lety +1

    An old pilot saying is "fly the plane all the way through the crash"; sometimes you get lucky. Pilot's new call sign is "Lucky Pucker"

  • @CBeard849
    @CBeard849 Před 2 měsíci

    Clearly this flight crew knew what it would take to get that E2 back to the carrier and those ribbons on their chests! Training must have quickly taken over and helped them recover that expensive aircraft.

  • @DanielDiaz-hd4if
    @DanielDiaz-hd4if Před 8 lety +3

    great crew

  • @haroldb1856
    @haroldb1856 Před 5 měsíci

    Well done!

  • @80sOutrunFan
    @80sOutrunFan Před 2 lety +1

    Amazing save, those engines also did their work.

  • @allgood6760
    @allgood6760 Před rokem

    Awesome flying skills👍✈️

  • @Scott11078
    @Scott11078 Před 2 lety

    This is a great example to show folks that seem to be unable to understand as soon as they "feel" the deck throttles get shoved forward and only get dropped to idle when they're hanging in thier straps from the deceleration.

  • @getit9066
    @getit9066 Před 5 měsíci

    Kudos to the pilot who performed this superb recovery, but the video doesn't show the four brave sailors who suffered fractured skulls, broken arms and legs, and dislocated hips caused by the broken arrester cable. All spent weeks recovering from their grievous wounds and deserve our eternal thanks for their service.

  • @williamfriar6295
    @williamfriar6295 Před 2 lety +1

    Great job on recovery after equipment failure.

  • @titsup4u
    @titsup4u Před 2 lety

    Good men!. Good work!

  • @williamscoggin1509
    @williamscoggin1509 Před 2 lety +3

    That's what all the continuous training is all about. Turning certain death into just another landing. Holidays work. 👍🏻

  • @aviationgaming1564
    @aviationgaming1564 Před 2 lety +3

    That’s a skilled pilot right there

    • @Gitn2it
      @Gitn2it Před 5 měsíci

      The rigorous and intense training pays off.

  • @MrPicklerwoof
    @MrPicklerwoof Před 2 lety +2

    The deck of a carrier with cables must be one of the most dangerous working environments in the world.

    • @williamfriar6295
      @williamfriar6295 Před 2 lety

      I had to tell my wife I forgot to get milk at the store.

  • @harrisonschmidt7596
    @harrisonschmidt7596 Před 8 lety +4

    Respect

  • @mozki1
    @mozki1 Před 3 lety +7

    For Valour....and self preservation too. Quite a big motivator I would think.

    • @KB4QAA
      @KB4QAA Před 2 lety +1

      MM: No 'V' for valour. This was not a combat action.

  • @DonWan47
    @DonWan47 Před rokem

    I don’t believe what my eyes are seeing. Amazing!

  • @kaiki8318
    @kaiki8318 Před rokem

    Kellen was a Firstie of mine when I was a Plebe...he was always extremely calm.

  • @Darksagan
    @Darksagan Před rokem

    Holy shit I wasnt expecting that ending. That training definitely paid off.

  • @jamesbrown2129
    @jamesbrown2129 Před 2 lety +1

    They just saved a $178 million aircraft. I hope they got a paid week off to go with that medal.

  • @NASWOG
    @NASWOG Před 5 měsíci +1

    I’m just thankful the cable didn’t kill me or anybody else up there. Stuff happens soo quickly lol

  • @richf.7845
    @richf.7845 Před 2 lety +1

    The bow was moving up over a swell right when the E2 left the deck. Probably saved them. Wow.

  • @iancurtis1152
    @iancurtis1152 Před rokem

    That’s the value and reward for the technique of applying full power on landing.
    Q: As cable 3 is the target cable and I guess cable 1 is lucky to be used at all, do the cables get rotated on the deck?

  • @elyangomez1325
    @elyangomez1325 Před 3 měsíci

    Those mens are fuckimg legends, that shit looked like it was a fricking movie

  • @OneManTrail
    @OneManTrail Před 3 měsíci

    “Gutsiest move I ever saw, man.”

  • @ccramit
    @ccramit Před rokem

    A medal is the least the military can do for saving a multimillion dollar piece of equipment.

  • @Big.Ron1
    @Big.Ron1 Před 3 lety +6

    I watch a A-4M from VX-5 take a cold cat shot off the Ike. Like this he saved it but barely as the tail was in the water very slightly as he flew it for all it was worth. He made it around and took a trap. This was when the Ike was brand new. We were on it for carrier quals before she did her round the world cruise. None of the airwing was on board. Just us, the training command TA-4Js and VX-5 doing testing. A helo CH-46 i think it was crashed on that det. 1 diver and 1 pilot were lost the other diver and pilot survived but badly injured. The craziest det I went on in my time with the Navy. This was in 78 or 79. Be safe!

  • @countrylife9763
    @countrylife9763 Před 2 lety +1

    7 million dollar medal

  • @gears3515
    @gears3515 Před 8 lety +4

    Wow that was very professional

  • @johndd8186
    @johndd8186 Před 3 lety +2

    "saved the aircraft...." Screw that! Save yourselves!!

  • @Markus12Valvetwitchtv
    @Markus12Valvetwitchtv Před 2 lety +1

    Amazing thing is one time they MISSED them by a bit skipped the last wire somehow and then all of a sudden it sounded like a leaf blower with a turbo started up. Funny thing was I didn't even see it.

  • @martineb8185
    @martineb8185 Před 8 lety +2

    bravo !!!!!!!

  • @pshodean
    @pshodean Před 2 lety

    Whoohoo ! good job guys !!!

  • @byronharano2391
    @byronharano2391 Před 3 lety +3

    Bravo Zulu gentlemen. Bravo Zulu to the flight deck crew.

  • @adityakp5649
    @adityakp5649 Před 8 lety +3

    👏 Great!

  • @michaelchristensen6884
    @michaelchristensen6884 Před 3 lety +7

    What i want to know is if they had the old metal four bladed props, would they have been swimming? Alot more thrust in the newer composite blades. I was in Navy C-130's, when they went from the old metal four bladed prop to the newer eight blade composite blades, it added the additional power of a fifth engine from the old props.

    • @midnsmith
      @midnsmith Před 3 lety +2

      There is about a 5-10% increase in thrust with the new composite blades, but even the older aluminum blades were still governed to 100% so near-instantaneous power response would've still been possible in a 4-bladed model.

    • @cerberusairforce
      @cerberusairforce Před 2 lety

      @@midnsmith well what hes asking here is, would the old props have given enough thrust to not end up in the drink, not about response. carrier pilot always firewall the throttle on touchdown so that in the event of a bolter or cable break, the power is already on so the aircraft is already ready to fly when they get off the end of the deck.

    • @michaelrainone296
      @michaelrainone296 Před 2 lety +3

      Thank you for your service.That aircraft dropped about 4 stories or more b4 it reappeared and was climbing out.Max power,gear up and shallow A.O.A. Do you think they were cursing some!!?? Sorry to have heard that some of incredible deck crew were seriously injured by the snapped wire.Best wishes to all.God Bless all that serve a good cause.

  • @CBeard849
    @CBeard849 Před 2 měsíci

    Those guys should have received a nice "bonus check" for saving an 80 Million dollar plane and at the same time showing absolute discipline when crisis struck!!

  • @davelewis2319
    @davelewis2319 Před 6 lety +1

    I about to PCS to 123...THAT WAS AWESOME!!!

  • @ivantan1041
    @ivantan1041 Před 7 lety +5

    good pilot, good powerful engine!

    • @outwiththem
      @outwiththem Před 3 lety

      czcams.com/video/da39t2DNYqU/video.html

  • @hawkeyegamer8231
    @hawkeyegamer8231 Před 3 lety +4

    When your UAV is done but you get another one right after. Also good piloting skilled I'm sad to hear that other naval member were injured by the last of the cable

  • @shoomapadoo1141
    @shoomapadoo1141 Před 2 lety

    Congratulations

  • @KPMACHINE1
    @KPMACHINE1 Před 2 lety

    Something about Thrust, Weight, Lift and Drag come to mind. Good thing they kinda thought about that stuff.

  • @billhudson1923
    @billhudson1923 Před 5 měsíci

    I would love to know what failed. Tbe CDP (cross deck pendant)? Or the clevis? Did the socket pull???

    • @RootinNRuttin
      @RootinNRuttin Před 2 měsíci

      The constant runout valve (CRV) and the fail-safe failed on engine 4, causing the cable to continue pulling and the CDP did what it was designed to do and snap down the middle. I was up there when it happened. I was at deck checker in the arresting gear and my buddy KO was at hook runner. You see him jump out of the way when the cable passed him. This day still haunts me

  • @mantarayasurf
    @mantarayasurf Před 8 lety +1

    Like a Boss!

  • @jumpleadsx2
    @jumpleadsx2 Před 2 lety

    Saved by the headwind, and some cool nerves

  • @CenobiteBeldar
    @CenobiteBeldar Před 2 lety

    That's why they apply full thrust as they land so if it snaps, they can take off and do a go around.

  • @rkjessop
    @rkjessop Před rokem

    It was the training and discipline! Go Navy!

  • @AMSabuncu
    @AMSabuncu Před 8 lety +2

    So, servicemen are allowed to grow mustaches?

    • @Skullking489
      @Skullking489 Před 7 lety +2

      Yep, but as with everything there are rules about it's length and styling.

    • @Touretti
      @Touretti Před 4 lety

      Mustache March

    • @afcgeo882
      @afcgeo882 Před 3 lety

      Even encouraged to in November.

  • @waynefarrellvoiceovers

    Check out the reactions from the crew on deck.

  • @Condor1970
    @Condor1970 Před 7 lety +4

    That guy was gone over the edge long enough for a head break.
    In fact, he may have just had one inadvertently.

    • @michaelchristensen6884
      @michaelchristensen6884 Před 3 lety +1

      I saw a Tomcat go over the edge for a longer period of time on the Lincoln in February 1992. The pilot was high the whole way in, paddles never waved them off. When they hit, they hit so far down the angle that only the main mounts hit the deck. The nose pitched over the edge of the angle and missed the deck completely. Next thing you hear is the AIR BOSS cussing over the loud speakers at the LSO's, mean while no sight of the Tomcat. Finally you see the Tomcat slowly climbing in full burner. Then the AIR BOSS told them to report to him now over the loud speaker. No you have to wave the next plane, get to him now. Oops, never had another close call like that again. I do not remember which squadron it was that they about killed. I thought they had either hit the water, or I expected to see them riding their Martin Bakers. Not the plane pulling up and climbing away.

    • @obviousness8113
      @obviousness8113 Před 2 lety

      Ahh, man, great comment. I hope you see this lol

  • @joeleblanc4543
    @joeleblanc4543 Před 2 lety +1

    Well deserved!
    Thanks for your dedicated service to your country sir.
    ( WHATS LEFT OF IT GOD ONLY KNOWS!!!)

  • @rookiebird9382
    @rookiebird9382 Před 5 lety

    Heroes!

  • @Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8

    Definitely deserves a Medal

    • @erichall3090
      @erichall3090 Před 4 lety

      Yes, all of the pilots did receive one.

  • @oceant1457
    @oceant1457 Před rokem

    It’s like a movie

  • @richardhall916
    @richardhall916 Před 5 měsíci

    Lt cmdr Kellen Smith certified LEGEND!

  • @vihurah9554
    @vihurah9554 Před rokem

    0:12 you can just feel the relief wash over those deck crew when the see it come back up. crazy stressful i bet

  • @pizzafrenzyman
    @pizzafrenzyman Před 2 lety

    That's some favorable RNG right there.

  • @GrandMoffJoseph
    @GrandMoffJoseph Před 2 lety

    That snapped cable was perhaps equally as dangerous as the plane at that moment! Yikes!

  • @mobiusZero2
    @mobiusZero2 Před 8 lety +2

    *salute*

  • @oldfarmer4700
    @oldfarmer4700 Před 2 lety

    Was on the flight deck of Big John waiting for the COD to come in and a F14 came in to land and the cable kept going and going and I thought it’s not going to stop. Well it didn’t and went in the water. That was many many years ago.

  • @Skank_and_Gutterboy
    @Skank_and_Gutterboy Před 4 měsíci

    The best part of this video is the guy at 0:04 who thought he could run and catch the plane.

  • @scopex2749
    @scopex2749 Před 2 lety

    HELL OF A CATCH THERE when she 'dropped the ball' WELL DONE GUYS from an ex Air Force guy!

  • @WideWorldofTrains
    @WideWorldofTrains Před 5 měsíci +1

    Pfffhhhheeeeeuuuuuuu!

  • @JoeJohn777
    @JoeJohn777 Před 4 lety +1

    The E2 seems to land very fast !

    • @midnsmith
      @midnsmith Před 3 lety +1

      E-2C/D does land faster than Cessnas or King Airs, but we do land slower than F-18s and F-35s who normally come aboard with an approach speed of 135-150 KCAS

  • @tsiam359
    @tsiam359 Před rokem

    我本來以為掉入海裡了,沒想到又出現在畫面中飛了起來,太厲害了!

  • @patton303
    @patton303 Před 2 lety

    Didn’t the wheels skim the water in this incident?