Tenet: Good or Overly-Ambitious?| Rogue Review
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- Tenet is the next experimental movie from Writer/Director Christopher Nolan, but is it smart, or too much to handle?
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My favorite line was an unintentional joke, it's when Neil tells Kat what's going on and basically says "let's start with the basics. According to theoretical physics..." that sums up Nolan as a whole.
that cause and effect scene was Smooth holy shit
Which scene was that specifically? 😅
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Discord?
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@Evi Plays he's out here trying to save the minds of aspired writers and punish those for their words and crimes against literature with the power of his words(like the Onision books, Empress Theresa and ect.) while also looking like the guy but with glasses lol
I'm really tired haha
Welcome to the "Robert Pattinson is a extremely underrated actor" club.
I believe any other actors career would be snuffed out by twilight, but he's good enough to have survived that catastrophe and still be able to find work
The fact that this movie is one of the movies where he actually looks (emotionally) good again
And then he absolutely shines in the Lighthouse.
Can't wait for the Mistborn movie to exist so that it can be book-was-bettered
I'd rather it be good enough that KR doesn't need to do a video like that.
@@skyesfury8511 IIRC there've been a few ones where the movie was better; the series is just called "Book was Better"
I could also see the StormLight Archives being turned into a TV show.
@@jonahdonahue2930 yeah, that's probably the best option
@@jonahdonahue2930 it should be a anime its gonna have to be 80$ cgi anyway
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I just saw this yesterday (so had to come back for this review). It was a very interesting movie, but I kind of wish it was about half an hour longer, just so some scenes could be a little slower. Details fly by so fast that it's kind of hard not to miss some important ones. I'm looking forward to re-watching it with subtitles and a rewind button.
Hey Krimsonerouge, have you ever considered doing reviews on games that were once books like with Dante's Inferno?.
Things like The Witcher Series that are book, games, and a t.v series, stuff like that?.
Also, my younger sister and I love watching your videos and they have helped us with our writing ideas and what not to do lol
Pretty sure he already did a 'The Book Was Better' on Dante's Inferno that talked about the game.
I wonder if he's played Devil May Cry
He has done the game was better, with Prince of Persia!
To begin with, is weird for a book to have a game adaptation before having a movie adaptation
Don't be too surprised about John David Washington being a great actor, his father IRL is none other than Denzel Washington. As for more movies featuring him, check out Black Klansman.
Wait, really?! Didn't know that!
Oh shit he is! The more you know.
I dunno if I'm doing this wrong, KR, but I wanna be able to watch your privated Book was Better videos. From the ones I were able to see, I really love it! It's very informative and I like how you have an over-arching plot with it! I just wanna support you even more by watching your privated videos, because you deserve it. You're an amazing CZcamsr, and I wanna see more of your talent.
Also cuz I wanna see you rip the original Twilight novel a new one. I've been really wanting to watch that after what I saw you do with New Moon.
I'm currently working on alternative sites to upload them to. You'll be able to see them again sometime soon.
@@KrimsonRogue Excellent strategy! I recommend you try Storyfire. That site's got promise.
Glad you made this cause I saw the ad for tenet and was slightly intrigued but not enough to actively watch it
It's good to see you again Krim.
Happy to see you posting again!
I rather liked it, i'm a sucker for nolan and i really liked the slow pace of the first half because i just do as a preference, however Other people i know hate it, and that's okay, i get it. I loved the action, the story was basically a straight line but with some bits of interesting uses of the Inverse stuff, but it's just a pretty well made spy film with a soundtrack that makes me wanna vomit (in the best way)
edit, Pattinson is my KING now, so yeah, im in love
I swear King Krimson would make an OP villain. And remember, most villains tend to be a lot smarter than the heroes
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That's the name of a Stand.
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Reading the parent comment, I expected JoJo references. I was not disappointed.
Overall I liked the movie, but after only one watch through, thinking back on it, I’m not sure I understand the early scene where they are inverting bullets from the concrete in the lab. Everything else seemed fairly consistent, if a bullet was moving “backwards” from the viewers perspective, one could also see the inverted person shooting that bullet in reverse, but that scene in the lab no one was moving backwards, the bullets had just been left there and any gun could trigger them going back? Also while I get the title is a palindrome, reflecting the movies theme of things happening at the same time in two different time directions, I wish it would have some greater meaning in the actual movie, past being used like 2 times in the first 20-30 min.
Not entirely sure about this but I assume the logic was that you can invert things and entities like guns and bullets without inverting the actual user themselves. It does get very confusing since normally we would think of time inversion as like a universal reversal of time where everything would be moving in reverse, but in Tenet Nolan tried to make sense of time inversion in a different way in which people or objects in a sense have their own subjective time with an independent direction. So essentially those bullets as well as the gun can move backwards in time while everything else (including the person having used the gun originally) would still be moving forwards. Again, not sure but I think this is how you make sense of that particular scene.
@@attehovi6552 but... the bullet HAS to be shot on inverse time in the first place... it's not like it magically shows up. And I think you are never shown how this works, they handwave how it works... If what requires to put an inverted bullet in some random places, requires a comboluted plan... what's the point of doing it in the first place, shooting a NORMAL bullet is... way more easy!
@Esteban Rodríguez I see what you mean but I don't know if I fully agree, and this is also where the logic of time inversion in Tenet starts to perhaps get a bit shaky. As far as I understand, technically the bullet could've been shot into the wall in a perfectly normal fashion, and the gun be reversed only afterwards so that now as the gun's "independent arrow of time" is reversed, when the gun is used the bullets also move as if inverted because they're a part of the gun's "personal history". But granted this does evoke the question of I guess the boundaries or limits of the impact that inverting an object has because if the explanation is the one I provided above it means it's possible for objects (the bullets) to move in the opposite direction in time even without having been inverted directly (as in this scenario only the gun would have gone through the inversion process). So basically then you're left with the problem of how do you explain those sorts of situations where there are multiples objects in direct relation to each other and one or more of them are inverted. It opens all kinds of questions of how the inversion technically works, on which level (physically) does it take effect, etc. But that's a whole new can of worms which I'm definitely not going into, although perhaps it would be worth it to go down that road at some point. The more I've thought about it the more I've come to think that regardless of how cool the scene was and whether it can be explained in a way that's consistent with the film's internal logic or not it would've probably been easier not to include it in the film altogether - although I understand why it was included given that that idea of a bullet retreating back into a gun was the very idea that inspired Nolan to create Tenet in the first place. It is a bit of a messy scene when it comes to the logic of it but trying to understand time is generally a very messy business in itself, let alone trying to create a whole new way of understanding/perceiving time in the span of a approximately 2,5h film.
@@attehovi6552 I agree it could be hard to grasp on a movie, things like entropy, ergodicity, stochastics processes, antiparticles and the whole standard model...
And maybe you could draw an analogy to the atom bomb, it's like this technology that can be used for actually helping mankind, used for killing people in the most boring way...
The title actually comes into play at the end when the forwards team has Ten minutes to storm the city and the backwards team has neT minutes.
Great video, Krimson! I more or less had the same issues with Tenet too. I liked the first half of it but after the plane crash towards the halfway mark I started losing interest. I more or less figured out where it was going in terms of plot beats, and the stakes involving time inversion just weren't high enough for such an interesting concept to make me care for the characters. At least the Mission Impossible movies, as bombastic as they get which I'm not a huge fan of, gave Ethan and his crew some personality so we distinguish them differently. Plus there were some parts that I noticed got forgotten about when it appeared they were important, such as the mention of possibly getting hallucinations in the time inversion timeline. That could have been great to add more tension and conflict for The Protagonist to deal with on his mission, but for whatever reason they forgot about it. Glad you enjoyed it though!
Also, Pattinson's been announced to have the Bug That Won't Be Named, meaning The Batman's shut down. Again. Hopefully he'll recover swiftly though. :(
Good to see you're still alive 🥳
I didn't realize you released this until now!
Everytime i see a new Christopher Nolan movie i asked myself the same question
I'd rather see a over-ambitious movie then another Disney remake.
Love the video 😀👌👍
It allstarted with memento i think.
Nolans style with good good action is really fitting for him person of interest, played a bit with it and is really abrams action and bitdrama with the vest of nolan and , the slower easier of the week case really counter balances the smart things he builds up in the background. You can miss but rewatch and make sense of it. And really ita batmanny superhero action, and the charactrs lean a bit into it but are great characters on their own, i mean its after the batman movies. But they are really good characters.
And emerson kills it as that hacker, alfred figure, mysterious millionaire that has the flashbacks of his life in the background in the firrst seasons, his minologuing, is haunting good.
i wanna say he is meant to make action mixed with his playing with time and concepts. Its acessable and smart and charater drama, and person of interest, is a masterpiece. Cavienzel is the best live action batman so far, if he isnt batman, but batmanny. Unironic.
The rest is as good. it just starts with them two, and a female gordon in her own right. And a bullet character who gets awesome and is really funny. Their interactions ar so fun.
Then there is root whos growth is amazing.
Also try 12 monkeys the show season 2 onward really , its a zany time travel show and the same time, its written really coherent with consequences allmaking sense. And i cant underestimate, it gets some really zany teritory there and still all writen so cohrent, with everything entertaining and emotional, and the twists, make sense
And the thing is both finals are great finals. in really high concept shows that are good in all aspects. Thats the miracle
The Flixbrew house We went to uses a different sound system that I can't remeber the name, it wasn't one that I don't see at the normal Riggly, cinamark, AMC theaters. It's not doby digital, not sdds, Not Atmos. We were able to hear all the dialogue with out struggling to understand. This movie was amazing and my wife and I followed the plot with out any problems.
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"who also brought us Inception" Along with the noted, award-winning short film "*Plane Scene*," the first short film to have an epilogue (*Epilogue: The Dark Knight Rises*) more than 125 times longer than the film itself.
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Hey are you ever going to get around to reviewing the death cure? It’s been almost 3 years since you said that you would, no pressure just wondering
My goodness! You actually explained inversion better than the movie did! Well done!
Hey, man, are you alright? It's been a while since you posted something
Just backed up with multiple projects, and my editors are all busy with the chaos of 2020, but thanks for asking.
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Hey can you review the dark hunter books. Starting at the first book fantasy lover. Their primarily romance books but if you look past that and the graphic “romance” scenes they’re actually really cool fantasy action books
With this review, im excited to see it, but i wish you did go into full spoiler detail about it because there is no way in hell im going to a movie theatre right now. Hell, my job *at* a movie theatre hasnt reopened
I have a question about "Show don't tell" this doesn’t apply to lore and history. Right? Like when Obi talked about Anakin to Luke instead of showing. Right?
It is alright for a character to world build the setting and exposit information to the audience and other characters so long the pacing of the plot is not ruined by them doing so and the dialogue feels natural enough that they are not just turned into the author’s/ director’s mouthpiece. The problem is apparent in the case of this film ( sort of spoiler btw) by the female scientist’s conversation with the Protagonist in which she seems less character and more plot-device - as a result the audience is less invested and even pays less to the information delivered. To sum it up, try to make the exposition feel like it belongs in the story and is not just being shoehorned in.
I hope this was helpful.
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If for some reason KrimsonRogue is interested in reading what is effectively my first semi-professional comic, I can leave a link, but I don't want to advertise without his say-so.
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What’s up Rogue? Is Saturday, September 5th available for another appointment?
Have you read the Insignia Trilogy from S.J. Kincaid?
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I'm happy if someone can enjoy Tenet, but I was so frustrated with this movie I was angry-ranting about it for like an hour after. :( The idea of the inversion is So Cool and some of the tools they used to show stuff were so promising... but the storytelling around it was not thought through at all.
The lack of characterisation really killed it for me, I didn't feel connected to any of the people in it. Also, the editing; most scenes felt like they had no beginning and no end and were only composed of images one after the other (like everything we saw was just cut-outs from a much longer, much better-paced movie). No dynamics through the whole thing either just exposition - action scene - more exposition - action scene and then the end felt like that's where the plot should have started maybe? Because of the whole mission the Protagonist goes on after this, apparently?
The dialogues may have been smart and minimalistic (they weren't, at least for me, they talked a Lot in a boring way) but they were badly written and did not help the characterisation at all. I can see that Washington is a charismatic actor but he was not given anything to work with. Pattinson's character was better because he had some playfulness to him. The woman... uh... Kat, I think? ...was reduced to "Abused Mother the Protagonist Feels For after talking to her for ten minutes". And the villain guy was just weird.
Sorry for the rant, I guess I'm still miffed -- making this the first time I'm commenting to Krimson although I've been watching your videos for quite some time! :)
Have You Tried Reuploading Your Twilight Review or Any of The Reviews That Got Claim?
As I watch this in the background of my work out
What did you think of the dune teaser? Was there a dune teaser at your theater?
I think it has potential. I'll likely see it when it finally comes out.
@@KrimsonRogue three minute trailer coming out the 9th, so there's definitely going to be more to chew on
I should probably watch this again. It was very clever and had great performances but I admit, I got a bit fatigued.
Also, as with so many modern movies, the dialogue wasn't very clear. In this movie, with so much information coming so fast, that's a big problem.
hey krimsonrogue i wish you could consider reviewing the unabomber manifesto industrial society and its future by ted kazynski...i wanna know what your thoughts in it i think that would be an interesting video
10/10 for the shirt!
I adore Christopher Nolan films but this one was probably a bit too Christopher Nolanish for its own good. Still I liked the action and the bizarre time traveling, the references to the Sator Square and Robert Pattinson.
I hadn't heard of this film...but then again working 50+ hour weeks for a while now, I haven't had much time or energy for much.
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It’s not very popular but I would love for you to read “No longer human” by Osamu Dazai it’s very thought provoking
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Sorry for the irrelevant comment are you going to be reuploading for FMA Book was Better video?
review a pickle for the knowing ones by timothy dexter
Man, too bad The Batman is temporarily on hold again due to the Virus...
Is no one going to talk about how well made Krimson’s cause/effect/reversal visual was?
Plz review One Piece arc by arc
Watched it 3 times in cinema and it was awesome each time!
You should read The Triflers
Book review suggestion: "I hate myselfie", and "It gets worse" by Shane Dawson!
Controversial, I loved Mother!
Never been so early
You should make a video on the SCP Foundation
Steins' Gate does the whole time travel thing quite well.
Well the cinemas over here in England have been open for a while, and I've already been back at the cinema 4 times to see 7 films.
So about 9 days ago I went to see Tenet.
It was kinda "meh".
I thought the first half of the movie was incredibly slow and dull, with most of the dialogue being just pure unfiltered exposition to a ludicrous degree even by Christopher Nolan standards.
It was also confusing and hard to following both in its general plotting and even the sci-fi elements - where the attempt to explain how Inversion worked to the protagonist actually somehow made it make less sense to me.
Not helping was that the soundtrack was incredibly loud, bombastic and incredibly intrusive not just to the point of hilarity, but sometimes to the point where it overwhelmed the dialogue making it difficult to understand what characters were saying - which occurred throughout the film but was especially problematic in the earlier parts where the film is trying to establish what's going on.
At that point I was just about ready to completely write the film off, but thankfully when we reached; what I assumed to be the halfway point, the film finally established some stakes and began doing interesting things with both the characters and the Inversion elements - even paying off an early scene from the first half by re-contextualizing it (Admittedly when the scene originally happened I'd figured out that particular twist and did assume we'd be seeing it again, but it was still immensely satisfying when it did happen and it finally felt like me and the movie were on the same page so I'm fine with it).
However once we began entering the climax, the pacing started to drag and the film became confusing again, which had the unintentionally side effect of blunting the emotional impact of what was almost a satisfying ending.
So yeah this wasn't a bad film, just a "meh" one. And speaking as someone whose only seen 5 Chris Nolan flicks. (''The Dark Knight Trilogy'', ''Inception'' and this), this was probably the weakest of his films that I have seen and whilst not the worst new release of 2020 so far that I've watched it's among the weakest.
Already forgot about the movie, few days later after we first viewed it. That's a yikes, especially for a Nolan movie. The movie just doesn't give me any incentive to watch it again, because nothing about it is memorable, other than the concept itself.
Agreed. "Inception" was basically a sci fi movie with action elements, while Tenet is an action movie with some sci fi elements. There were a couple of scenes where I felt they dropped the laws of the inversion if it didn't suit the scene. Maybe I missed something, but it seems they drop the "you'll need your own air" thing. They said inverted lungs can't handle the air of the past, but then we see the woman interacting with her husband in the past, with no air of her own. Which would have given her away as an inversion.
HEY KRIMSON! Please GOD do a book review on The Five Bells by Gale Jones Please GOOD GOD I BEG OF YOU!! I will spam this if I must. I had to study this in school, in my senior year for English, and it is beyond terrible. Be warned, there is a sex scene or two (I think one, I stopped reading by page order after 23 pages), and a suicide scene I guess if you could call it that towards then end. I skipped 75 or so pages and basically couldn't tell I'd done it, it has five characters, four of which are entirely unappealing, the fifth has an actually interesting backstory and personality, but has less than a quarter of the story devoted to her as the next least mentioned character. I would LOVE to see what you think of it. best Regards; A very insistent man
I just read a description on goodreads. The book seems ambitious, but also really pretentious. I might give that one a look.
@@KrimsonRogue Alright, cheers for taking the time man, I'd be really interested to hear your unbiased opinion. My English teacher seemed to adore it to a completely unreasonable amount haha. Have a good day :)
Kyle always showing the best way to explain things in smart and cheap ways. (sorry calling you for the first name, but fuck it, let's just make some parasocial friendship in this community)
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Talk about Miss Peregrine's home for peculiar children
Could you do the Stars and Stripes between us. It may very well be the ABSOLUTE worst thing you read. Like the actual worst...
Never heard of it, but I can look in to it.
Tsk. Tsk. Krimson. This is -not- a subparr young adult novel adaptation.
I seen this film with my dad in the cinema. We spent half an hour after it ended making fun of how badly paced it was and how the character development was rushed. The rules of inversion were broken several times and it felt like it was four different plots mashed together into one movie. Although I respect Krimson immensely, I am gonna have to disagree with him on this one. Overall a massive disappointment, especially considering it was the first film I saw after cinemas opened.
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Are you an English teacher?
he isn't, he's just really into literature. he has a q and a video where he answers that
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do not watch tenet if you have adhd. it goes so fucking FAST and it's hard to process.
It was a better spy movie than a scifi movie.
Only if you watch it with your brain turn offs, because if you turn on your brain and think about the actual plot of this movie, you would see that is bullocks, pure U. S. propaganda, like the U. S. lives in this vacuum were they never do nothing wrong and they are always right by definition, even that they are bombing eight countries right now, helping Saudi Arabia to bomb and starve Yemen, overthrowing democracies in South America in the last twenty years.
Tenet feels like a movie adaptation of a video game that doesn’t exist.
A very simplistic concept at its core kinda like Kingdom Hearts lol I need to stop obsessing over that series. I still haven't watched tenent ill buy it when ever I see a dvd of it I'm not really a nolan fan but inception was amusing
Have you read "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" and seen the movies?
Change the future, change the past? FFXIII-2 did it first.
The book was better Harry Potter chamber of secrets
Hey. After this video, you just disappeared. You okay, dude?
I would call it over pretentious U. S. propaganda, because of course that the U. S. isn't bombing eight countries right now, and aren't at the brink of war with China or Russia ever now and then, the U. S. always must be right by definition, the establishment must love this movie, Nolan really is losing the plot by every movie that he makes, good bye the visionary that did Memento, now only left over pretentious movies that glorified the state and the oligarchs.
Um, no, the movie is pretty stupid.
This channel...wtf...some random dude talking about how good action is fun to watch...the ego stroking on CZcams these days...