Hollywood Is Abandoning "The Message"
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- We've long suspect that the tide was beginning to turn, that studios would get tired of losing billions of dollars in box office revenue and would start to take action. And last week on Open Bar, it was confirmed to us.
"Press X to doubt."
20 THOUSAND people are calling it. We'll not believe, till we see.
Well meme'd
Exactly
I'm mashing the button.
@Zathren 😂😂😂
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But is this information reliable? Kathleen Kennedy was supposed to be fired years ago after TLJ, according to "insiders".
That lady must know a lot of dark stuff. Other than that, I can't wrap my head around the fact that she's still there considering that her Branch of Disney has been non profitable for a while.
I'm just assuming she threatened to release the tapes of her giving BJ's to execs if she was fired.
Wait… you look familiar.
Not getting even the slightest bit optimistic until Disney sells Marvel to another company without activists running it at the highest level.
@@user-rb3yx1bf6g If you've seen Kevin Feige do the roundtable interview with the Avengers: Endgame actors or heard him talk about making Captain Marvel the strongest character in the universe, you know the problem is all the way to the top. I love Chris Gore but he doesn't name anyone who was fired here.
As my dad used to say
''If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is''.
Looking at American politics these last 10 years, I dont think enough people understand that concept.
@@Shorty_Lickens Just the last ten years?
@@crazyworld54321 well I'm not THAT old but I have been paying close attention to American politics as an adult. And yeah politicians routinely promise things they cannot possibly deliver based on a slew of lies pushed out by major propaganda networks. its disgusting and given how much the average voter believes in those promises and propaganda I'd say they just dont think critically.
all this, I'll believe it when i see it, if they really want drop the woke why are still trying to release Captain America 4, movie going be massive flop
They are letting the wokies rest for a bit. This has been planned. Critical Drinkers video is the intended effect.
"Abandoning 'the message'" - I will believe when I see it.
And one swallow does not make a summer.
The entertainment media are hopelessly addicted to wokeness. No rehab is possible.
The message lives rent-free in all of your heads and you'll continue to see it wherever you go, whether it's actually there or not.
@@Jabrownie23 They're skunks who have promised to stop spraying people.
Ya! Movies are only good when they are about sweaty topless white dudes…but it’s everybody else that’s a snowflake that has to be represented, not me though, I’m a manly man that likes manly man stuff like balls…
Thought it was "One swallow don't make me gay"
No. They will back off only to lie in wait and try again.
When your cheating spouse realizes she won't get half in the divorce, and suddenly wants to change her ways, only a sucker takes her back.
Good analogy!
Fucking preach, that’s so right it hurts
She ain't going to change her ways. She will just change tactics. Don't worry, they get arrogant again.
Holywood is done. I don't care what they'll say they'll do I'm not watching anymore. Not even pirated mind you, the time wasted and brainrot already makes it not qorth it.
And we will vote with our wallets and burn the money they claim to have
Hollywood won't abandon The Message, they'll just make it sneakier, easier to ignore for an adult
Don't believe it and they won't be getting Jack 💩💩💩💩 from me
If they could, why wasn't it done that way in the first place? Isn't the saying, "If you do something right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all?"
yh
@@SecretMagician They are learning. They thought people are dumber than they are and they were almost right.
@@SecretMagician you'd think so, but the corporate world can be surprisingly cult like and trend chasing in their mindset, for all their pretend love of metrics and statistics and the bottom line
It still blows my mind Black Panther was being heralded as this "First Black Superhero" thing, while you had Blade just sitting there like... Never got that
When they made Blade, they weren't trying to start a race war. So, the "black" portion of the movie had to be especially emphasized.
It's similar to the Key and Peele sketch about Negrotown. Same premise really.
Because back then, superhero movies were just for nerds, not insane cultural phenomenons. There was nothing to be gained at that time.
Because back then they didn't need to pander the politics so much.
Kevin Feige has to stroke his ego. WB did a number on him by launching Wonder Woman earlier than him. Since then he went full Feminist movies
Some mofo’s always trying to ice skate uphill
My advice to executives that wish to move away from THE MESSAGE: don’t do it quietly. Fire these people loudly and publicly. You will gain favor from fans and you will probably recover quicker.
Exactly this.
Look at it from their viewpoint. US and to some degree world culture has become politically polarized. Some at the top thought they could thrive economically by catering to the activists on one side of the divide, who claimed to hold the keys to audiences of The Future, on The Right Side of History. But they found out that it was a niche market, and that politically neutral pictures - released from needing to promote The Message - can gain a broader market than catering to either side would. (Not to mention that making the story subservient to The Message made for bad content).
One of the things that companies are learning is that taking a stand on culture war issues alienates one side, MORE strongly than it bring in on the other side. Bud Light gained very few new drinkers while losing a lot of long time customers. Then if they try to appease either side, it p*sses off the other even more. It became a lose/lose situation for them.
For the studios, publicly and loudly firing their activists would have created a backlash from a sizeable segment of society (centered within the elites, like film critics), creating a perception that they intended to cater to the other side ("oh, no, they've gone over to the dark side"). It would have again pushed away more people than it gained. That's the kind of self-goal they are learning to avoid. They found out that catering back and forth is worse than just stopping entirely.
So they want to quietly change, without needlessly inflaming either side. Just put out a product, stop trying to appeal to either side at the expense of the other.
The successes that Drinker mentions suggest that more politically neutral movies are already doing better financially. Comments here, however, suggest that it could take a while before the most alienated former fans trust the film studios again - if every. And some of the loyalty from historic franchises is probably lost forever as Drinker says; they burned folks who have moved on, without as many new people becoming solid fans of the IP to replace them.
Still, I hope Drinker is right. Movies harping on The Message were getting so boring. Back to good story telling, I hope.
@@zephsmith3499 Yes it’s a lose/lose situation, but they themselves got themselves into that spot by deciding to get political, therefore it’s their own fault.
@@zephsmith3499 Excellent comment. At the end of the day, the revenue counts. Only for the truly insane folks who happen to run a business, it doesn't. Until they run out of money.
The same destiny state run institutions will face. Eventually the financial miss managements will turn into a big sell out of so far state run institutes and no one knows if it will be for the better or for worse. Speaking from Germany. Greetings, I appreciate such an intelligent comment like yours.
@@mcadventurer1533 Agreed. My hope is that for every company that gets itself into that pickle, there are many others watching and deciding to quietly back pedal before they get in the limelight themselves (or not move towards political stances they were considering).
I was involved in a great non-profit which got deeply into the ideology, and I'm not sure they will ever recover. But they do not think they ARE being political, they see it as just doing the right thing morally; they conceive "being political" as something like officially endorsing a candidate. And I suspect that some companies were sold a similar line, thinking they would get far more praise than criticism by "doing the right thing" - and discovering that not everybody agrees that it IS the right thing, and that it involves a political controversy which is not going away.
I’ve decided that I’m ok without the crap that Hollywood comes out with. They’ve lost me.
No one will miss nor care about one less cynic. Bye.
Shifted to Korean movies long ago. Zero regrets.
@@sup3414 Don't worry, we know we're not wanted. Enjoy your sinking ship. And remember, one must always choose the lesser of two weevils.
Which is a joke you'd get if you didn't exclusively watch slop.
@@sup3414 That's the *exact* attitude that allowed this cancer to become so widespread lol. Who was proven to be *more* important in the long run champ? 🤔
@@goaway5297 Who says I "exclusively watch slop"? I was merely calling out the defeatist mindset you types of people always have sunk in your minds. What the hell is having lack of faith gonna do for Marvel to get back on top? Your attitude ain't helping Marvel just as such as the people ruining it. Miss me with that "lesser of 2 evils" crap too. That's BS. Neither evil will fix anything.
Hope it’s true. My experience says that they will learn nothing because learning requires intelligence.
Who needs intelligence when you have DEI?
@@kaj7135 Didn’t Earn It
@@bunnywithakeyboard7628 True, but how else are black women suppose to get jobs? Hard work and honesty? lol
And humility
And yet all of the people complaining about Disney were lining up to see deadpool. It's so Easy for Disney to rope back in brain dead fans they will never stop producing slop because people will never stop giving them money..
“The people who have sacked those people have been sacked”
-Monty python
THAT is what the world needs now. A little Monty Python.
But ze Møøse were beautiful!
😂😂👍👌
But what about the llamas?
It’s pining for the fjords
"Movies that entertain and dont lecture to people. "
What a fabulous idea... ;)
I would not be looking for that from the MCU based on what Critical Drinker and Chris Gore say.
@@johnparsons8271 I wouldnt be caught dead watching a comic book movie.
Whoa there! Cool it with the anti-semitism!
I wouldn't be too sure about that. If anything they will just be more hidden about it.
This.
Came on here to say the same thing. They wasted tons of money on this. There is no way they are just giving up.
Marxists don't throw in the towel, they change their tactics.
Nah… if the message were ‘effectively’ hidden then it would be implemented proportionately - which would actually reflect how it should be. Basically, if they do everything right, you won’t be sure that they’ve done anything at all. Lol
Once it becomes more hidden, 90% of the critics of it will declare victory and pat themselves on the back, for a job well done. Any attempt to point out ( ( ( The Message ) ) ) will be met with ridicule & mockery.
"Why are you so obsessed with something which was 3 years ago and we clearly won?" they will ask. Not realising it returned in full force, when they weren't looking. It happened to video games. It happened to comics. It happened with literature. The tide receeds slightly, the normies will drift back into sleepy slumber, only for a flood to then come.
Don't believe it for a second. These fools have to lose every penny they have to be forced to stop.
The money Marvel was losing forced them to stop.
Doesn't matter if they are actually going to change, I'm done. I no longer center my life around tv & movies. They could com e out with awesome new movies, I'm not going back. I've kicked the drug.
Deadpool promotes the message he talks about being pro vaccine etc.. they are just being sneaky about it so you idiots don't pick up on it
@@peterbelanger4094 Im done too I rather watch KDrams lol
@@peterbelanger4094 good man.
*The forest was shrinking. But the axe was devious. It convinced the trees that because it's handle was made of wood it was one of them...*
That's f-ing beautiful!
@@vdochev it's a classic poem
@@DiegoTan66 It's from an old proverb. You might be thinking of "The Trees and the Axe", one of Aesop's fables.
This one is making the rounds right now...how creative.
wow man, honestly never heard this one before. This is brilliant.
I don't think they will ever abandon their message, they'll be more devious going about it.
If you think that they would give up "the message" then you don't understand what is going on.
"The Message" is The Immortal Science of Marxism. It's a religion. They're not going to abandon their faith over a few bad quarters.
THIS
Exactly, Hollywood will play the "regretful boy act" until they have good numbers to stab in the back again.
Explain morbius and madame web then
@@sapiterguncang768 Sony.
The last 10 years of creative drought has been a blessing to me. Truly. Hollywood jumping the shark allowed me to see how little value this stuff adds to my life. It's also helped me steer my kids towards better stories and ideals outside the pop-culture churn.
I've started reading more stories too. I finished the first story of Reacher and then went on to Lord of the Rings. My husband and I finished Treasure Island and someday we'll finish reading Robin Hood.
@@MaryRohwer Awesome!
any top picks?
It's never a bad day to read.
God you sound pretentious.
I am VERY skeptical that Hollywood Is Abandoning "The Message", but I love the optimism!
It might be replaced by another message. Hollywood is, was and always will be a manipulation machine. As if the old action flicks the Drinker likes so much aren't any less manipulative than what we are fed today.
Till (((blackrock))) gives them the money, its impossible
Well, having just seen Deadpool and Wolverine I was amazed. Its a good film, it did not disappoint me in any way. I saw no real shortcomings. It had two superb characters, played very well by great actors. It was violent, it was funny and it rightly took the p**s out of the mess of Marvel and its woke girl boss failures. IT had two straight white male leads, making fun of all the gay tropes, it had a woman as the flawed villain and did I mention it was funny? I have not laughed so hard at a super hero film since Tony Stark quipped his way through his appearances. The other thing for me is it reminded me of old school male heroes, the sort you could look up to as kid, and be partly scared of what they would do....people like Steve McQueen, Paul Newman, Clint Eastwood and John Wayne etc...And its taken a lot of money. A LOT. And its continuing to do so, through word of mouth, people are going to see it more than once, which is truly fantastic. So if nothing else it will prove that male leads are still the mass appeal, get it right and you make bank and others will look at the film and want to have the same success....this should help shift opinion in Hollywood, even if they dont agree with it behind the scenes, giving people what they want makes money....
@@Simon-xc5oyDeadpool and wolverine is just one movie, they are gonna make way more movies for the non existent modern audience
The MESSAGE is still there, it’s just slightly more subtle and still super retarded
Doesn't matter for me personally. I'm not in a habit of buying things from people that hate me.They can fix it all they want but I'm done.
No other industry publicly mocks its customers. Even if they stop doing it publicly, which I doubt will happen, we'll still know what they really think about it.
Holywood is as close to abandoning the message as the drinker is to abandoning drinking.
Ayyyy man what up.
Interesting to see you here
I wonder who to vote for. Nobody is perfect. Is Trump worse than the message? Who knows.
@@BrickDaniels-qu7bzRDS >> Trump >> communism
@@BrickDaniels-qu7bz He is not worse than the message. Trump did pretty well during his first term for the majority of Americans. The message on the other hand has wrecked many movies, shows, and video games, not to mention Hollywood in general. The message is a cancerous rot that invariably destroys everything it comes in contact with, Trump is just kind of a dick that puts out mean tweets.
@@BrickDaniels-qu7bz Different message. One that I'm a bit keen to, yo... It is what it is.
Trusting Hollywood is like constantly forgiving a partner that cheats on you all the time, but you keep taking them back. It’s like a cancer that might go into remission for a bit, but comes back like a mofo.
I gave up on Disney ever seeing a penny of mine when they doubled down on gr00m1ng chillun
Succinctly put, and spot on target!
Yes and it's also like Stockholm syndrome because when they do something right (like they are supposed to do) everyone applauds and praises them.
That’s also just greedy entities in general. Most corporations are that way as well.
Yep what Gore is saying and Critical Drinking is buying is absurd. MCU is not changing. They just hired a woman to play Silver Surfer just a few months ago. Let's get real.
Disney has shown a real obstinance about prioritizing THE MESSAGE over profits. I'll be surprised to see this change in any real way.
I hate "the D word" (can't even bring myself to say it), but reliable evidence has shown that the evil empire completely re-shot Snow White due to Rachel Ziegler running her filthy sewer, so, we will see if it took a billion dollars of losses for them to wise up.
Stockholders ultimately will always have the final vote in it. If you loose them enough money then they will eventually rather take it.
@@hmsverdun Have you seen the "D" stock price? Six months ago it was 120 bucks. This morning it was 89.50
There are diamonds in the rough and those are Pixar and Marvel.
@@The_Dudester Yep which is why disney have had to make the cuts in marvel because of the flops causing the price to go down. I also hop Cathleeen gets fired because i havent bothered with Lucas film since Mando Season 3. Though dont get me wrong I don not like Disneys practices- if you think the films are bad lets just say the parks (which makes them lots of their money) are even worse atm and need bigger changes.
Never forget, never give them an inch, be ever vigilant for even a whiff of it in the future, and always vote with your dollars. Even IF they change course now, they WILL return to it the SECOND they feel they can start pushing it again.
They abandoned the message temporarily because it is an election year in the United States.
YES.
Especially during election year it makes no sense to abandon the message.
That is the most backwards reasoning I have ever heard.
@@amazinghorizon8270 I think the theory is that they want to side with the winner
@@catholictryhard What would that change? In 2016 they clearly sided with the loser and the following years they had record profits.
@@gove4103 Or appear non woke. So that any claims about woke Hollywood would be easier to deny.
In my country, which now has the most conservative government ever, leftist politicians are first time using words like "patriotism" or "National pride" (and i mean literally first time ever) cause they think using these words will sway everyone to vote them. Usually they use them in stupid context. Like our local "bbc" which has lied to our government about their funding, lied about not using activists to hold dei seminars, then lied that those were not mandatory, then fired a black journalist who acted as whistleblower... The list goes on and i dont have time to list their every sin. But every citizen funds this media with app. 200€ per year, you cant wiggle out of it if you wanted. This gov has tried to either cut this firms funding or make it voluntary. These leftist politicians now say cutting from YLE (Media house name) is not patriotic and would jeopardize our national heritage. And this media house is 10x more vile than cnn. In the 60s/70s you couldnt be a journalist there if you didnt have communist party mempership card. And this is Finnish state media im talking about. Nicknamed Pravda.
"Male and pale is stale," has nothing to do with what audiences want. The entertainment industry cannot look outside of its own bubble, and it's cost them hundreds of millions.
"Male and "pail" = "buckets" of money.
They think being male and white is stale but want to replace us with people who all have the same brown skin, black hair, and black eyes.
The problem is the top executives all make dozens of millions each year and also have golden parachute retirement packages.... so when you don't care about money or losing your job then you choose to push your own political beliefs by lecturing political beliefs in the movie theater.
For example who cares about being a terrible bank manager when that bank manager is given 9 million each year plus already has a guaranteed 40 million retirement package. Who cares about going down in history as being terrible at your career when you and your family can live like kings and queens.
I’d say billions at this point
Billions.
They are not abandoning it, they're REBRANDING to avoid lawsuits. Their new initiative is called BRIDGE, a CZcamsr by the name of Kirsche made a really good video about SHRM and BRIDGE (she's a VTUBER so try giving her a chance), people are cheering because companies started "firing" their DEI teams recently when in reality that was always the plan after DEI got a negative reputation and they started getting sued, they are secretly doubling down but with a new strategy, THEY WILL NEVER LEARN.
b.r.i.d.g.e.
Precisely. Same crap, different paint.
On top of that, Hollywood has said and done too much for me to ever forgive them.
Why would they have lawsuits?
@@blaw500 is a joke, he meant it since nothing will happen and the blame will be on "toxic, abusive and insecure incels", as always
@@blaw500 I mean calling your customers "biggots", "racists" and "-phobes" on a regular basis isn't exactly a professional business etiquette. Might be able to squeeze some money out in that regard, if not from investors wondering where all their stock went to
As soon as I see any hint of "the message" ...I tune out.....
Imagine beliving this when ESG is still a thing with Blackrock and Vanguard pushing it
Yeah. If they cared about losing money, they would have changed a long time ago. They clearly are not a part of the capitalist system any more. They are just puppets.
and those to big to fail companies are backed by the limitless cash of the taxpayer.
yeah we all believe you ben, I mean drinker wink wink.
Hollywood won't back down from stupidity, plus this shit is in video games, so Press X to doubt
I'm assuming the accountants have probably told them the investment from those groups is not enough to offset the heavy losses their "advice" got them. For the gaming industry at least they've completely imploded several studios now. No idea if the film industry is having those kinds of losses, but they're probably looking at that with a lot of concern.
Yeah no idea why the TCD would even make a video like this when it's patently false other than the fact TCD was to go mainstream Hollyweird .
A fisherman will intermittently ease up on the reel, to avoid completely losing the catch.
Make no mistake: a fish being given some momentary slack is hardly off the hook.
And people will stop watching them again.
@@johanstinson that's a net loss on the side of the consumer, not the producent.
There is no hook. Nobody is compelled to watch movies.
To be clear, even though "woke" movies still have an impact on society because morons who don't know any better will still watch them; this extends far beyond movies. All forms of US media, including 'news', are marred by the same agenda
@@bradleysneddon7551conspiracies are like a blanket, some can't snuggle down to sleep without one.
"Hollywood is learning . . . " "The message . . . is finally dying." ROFLMAO
Those two statements . . . are delusional. Hollywood is just getting started.
Let it rot, I've long since abandoned Hollywood.
Just watch what you enjoy. Being hyperfocused on who makes what is petty.
I've been so impressed by Hollywood I don't own a TV anymore.
@@JakeBananasSo we're supposed to give money to people that hate us? Nah.
@@JakeBananas You're the worst troll I've seen yet and quite frankly, you really need to find better bait because that comment was absolutely pathetic.
@@dusktildawn2428 In short yes.. if the product resonates with you, entertains you, and leaves you awe struck who gives af about what dumb opinions they have. I watch anime series, Russian films, Korean films, chinese, and European films. There's no way i'm going to give af what opinions each and every one of those individual creators/producers think about my specific identity. If i resonant with it, i will consume it happily.
No they are not. They are only REFORMATTING it.
"Revisioning" it...
Same thing happened with gamergate.
BRIDGE
Exactly, temporarily retreating to strategize a new battle plan.
@@Mondoness I find the new name ironic, seems intentional...wouldn't be surprised.
I’m in the industry, and I can assure you, the narrative isn’t being abandoned. It’s just changing tactics.
Source: Trust me bro..
@@CommunistKiller Yes that's the source of all these clickbait videos. Just trust them bro. If I didn't know better I'd say they're all coordinated at this point. The people behind wokeness obviously aren't changing their ways.
@@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERSChris gore is an industry insider though
@@FauwkesThe Hollywood shill who praise The Flash? I don't trust him.
That's a nice argument senator but why don't back it up with a source?
The devil's greatest trick was convincing the world he doesn't exist, and just like that, he's gone.
Unless BlackRock and Vanguard get removed, nothing will change.
bingo
Random ass input, where did they touch you young ruski? Get back to diggin the trenches now comrade 💀
Replying because this needs more attention
State Street, Fidelity, Blackstone. Get to know the other arms of the globalist oligarchs in charge.
Facts!!
Hey Hollywood, your entertainment isn’t for me anymore! Just like you told me so many times. Don’t worry I’m listening and 100% agree.
Deadpool promotes the message he talks about being pro vaccine etc.. they are just being sneaky about it so you idiots don't pick up on it
?? So even if they start producing bangers, you're going to just hide in a cave and pretend its not good ??
@@JakeBananas yeah? why wouldn't you? They openly demonized you and told you they hated you. you're just gonna start throwing money at them again just cuz they come crawling back and pander to you again?
@@JakeBananas They called me every name in the book. They slandered me. They shamed me when I told them, "Fine, since you don't want me I'll leave." They have insulted my intelligence while destroying franchises and characters I loved. They treated me as an enemy for any form of criticism, even as simple as, "This one just wasn't for me, though I did like XYZ aspects."
I have a lot of tolerance and patience. We are commanded to forgive an infinite amount of times. That does not mean you become a doormat, to keep going back for more abuse. It means I can move past what they did to me and I don't have to support it all.
A banger every now and then? Maybe. But anywhere near the invested fan I was before? Never.
Oh, and I'm a female, purebred American mutt. They _wanted_ me in their target audience, but when I told them no they treated me as an enemy. Two can play at that game, and I will never let my guard down again.
(Besides, these are the same creeps that make shows like Cuties, all the awkard scenes from Nickelodeon that made child me turn the channel, and the casting couch among supporting trafficking and Epstein. I'll support cultural milestones like the LotR movies or the FNaF film that are passion projects, but I won't line exec's pockets to go abuse more lives out of greed.)
@@XAn0nymousX0 I don't pay for anything i watch lol Just stream it online... But, yes i would start throwing my money at them if they started making incredible films again. I don't really care about the films/actors that demonize my identity because i simply ignore them and focus on the good. The only thing that matters is if the products produced resonate with me, i don't care where, or how, or from whom it comes from. I rather focus on the good and be happy, than focus on the bad and be perpetually angry.
They’ll never abandon “the message” because it is a huge part of their identity. And as we have seen many times now, they’re all so virtuous and important that they need to insert their own selves into the screenwriting and production.
Your obnoxiously cynical, defeatist mindset won't fix sh*t for the better either, pal.
They will never abandon "The Message". They will just figure out another way to work it in.
“Yeah, like that’s gonna happen”
-Shrek
Somebody once told me...
Not only am I disinterested in my favourite franchises, but I’m disinterested in watching TV and film altogether and choose to watch CZcams, play guitar, make art stuff, taken up cooking and doing way more yard work and housework. I was a bonafide film buff, I just don’t give a shit now. I didn’t think the message would affect my overall view of tv and film, but boy has it. I have better things to do. Thankyou “the message!” I am more productive.
I was exactly the same.
I think this will be the next problem, people who have realized in the past decade that regardless of what you watch, sitting down to watch TV is a colossal waste of time, even compared to equally "pointless" hobbies.
Now, if only CZcams does not delete my comments aside from comments commenting on them deleting comments. This comment will not be deleted, but comment on how Headland relating to a dude who showed their dong w/o consent is her relating to Weinstein, is a violation. Dunno, somehow.
Underrated comment
Excellent! One of the best things I have heard all year! Thank you.
However it had to happen, pop off man
"They fired producers". Dude, just rumors. No facts.
Hi Mariano! I'm a huge fan, been seen your videos since mortal Kombat annihilation ❤
Greetings from Córdoba, Argentina
Mariano un saludo.
Aren't they on strike again?
Sure, but I trust Chris more than some dude in the comment section.
Chris has been doing this for many years and because of that he does know people deep in the entertainment business
Hollywood forgot one simple thing, people go to the movies to escape. Not for a moral tune up. That’s it! That’s all there is in the big room with the sticky floor. Escapism. Nothing more.
If Marvel indeed "cleaned house" it would be easy to name a few producers who got fired, right? Right??
Time will tell, or maybe it's just pandering. I guess it's hard to be mad when they're pandering the actual good message. Who can say.
Do you really care, though? Are you really willing to give Marvel or any other Hollywood studio a second chance anyway?
@@theathlete771 I honestly would. If they geniunely and truly rejected all this BS and started making quality stuff like they did years ago I'd give them a second chance. Thinking on it lately I realized I really miss enjoying media and don't really like hating everything and being pissed off all the time. I'd be perfectly fine writing off the last half decade as a bad mistake and going back to the way things were. But that's only if they truly mean it.
they need to fire the woke writer´s (+kathleen) not the producer´s...
Victoria Alonzo appears to have been fired.
I don't believe they're abandoning the message. They'll continue their message in a more subtle manner. They're too dogmatic to let go of their woke messages. Wokeness is a religion and they're devout.
Wtf is even "wokeness" anymore according to you right wingers?
Sounds good to me. I would love a return to more subtle and smart storytelling
@@Wolfenzorn Sure, but it means that you'll be accepting their weird out of touch messaging. Just like they wish you would right now.
@@Slitheringpeanutas long as it's done in a subtle manner snd cleverly written,cool
Even drinker would be for this
@@Wolfenzornthing is you can't do ,, subtle " woke. Their beliefs are so deranged and disgusting that they will always stick like sore thumb. And if you don't make them stick out it means you just don't use them. Which is not their goal
Doubt.
Agreed. Cautiously optimistic but doubtful.
@@Tommy1977777 People should be cautiously optimistic about everything in life... and there is plenty of dumb people that dont understand it. Thats why not only things to watch are struggling with quality but things to play as well. How many idiots are preordering games just to complain later...
@@JesiAsh You're goddamn right.
This smells like clickbait and desperate for views from Drinker. We need real sources.
@@HanDaimond It is being repeated by few other youtubers.
They aren't learning from their mistakes. The bill has come due and they are simply showing that their "values" are negotiable in dollars. I guarantee they are pissed that the other side sees their retreat.
It's a temporary ceasefire while they regroup, some activists will be replaced by new names, others by mercenaries. That doesn't mean those running the show behind the curtain have abandoned the ideology they've been selling for decades.
"Decades" You act like movies were only good before the 2000s
I don't believe that any activists have been fired. This sounds like wishful thinking to me.
@@MoeDixonCider If that's what you're getting from my comment, then I pity you kiddo.
@@johnparsons8271 I never said fired, I said replaced.
@@jcmeza8495 because accurate language matters? If a word doesn't matter that much then in shouldn't have been said. Words are a tool, a powerful tool, and you were utilizing it poorly.
Nothing has been more damaging for entertainment, and comedy in particular, than “the message”
Comedies are not even made anymore because you can’t have fun with the message as number one.
For society as a whole.
Because they were infiltrated by marxists who use those avenues to plant their seeds upon the masses. It's about the delivery irrespective of the failure.
James O’Keefe’s investigation into Disney shows they are far from “abandoning” the message.
EXCELLENT WORK. THE CRITICAL DRINKER SKIP THE MESSAGES
His claim wasn't that "Disney" was abandoning it, his claim was that Feige thinks the woke stuff failed and so he's trying to go back to what worked.
If Disney was truly wanting to abandon DEI and other "woke" initiatives, why is Bob Eiger still heading the Titanic despite the ship just cruising across the iceberg?
Bob Chapek actually seemed to want to abandon this far earlier. And out of revenge, Disney brings back Eiger while Chapek was at an Elton John concert. Taking about desperate to keep DEI.
Now with Harris on the office (I don't have any doubt that the north Americans will fuck this up once again) , the message will be stronger than ever... And that's gonna be one of the greatests fuck ups in the history of Mankind.
yeah very reliable James O Keefe, who couldn't even prevent himself from getting fired from his OWN company for financial misconduct and is known for selectively editing everything across the board. Certainly a trustworthy guy.
When one dog barks, the others start barking... it's all a matter of time. The most important thing is that we are slowly coming back from a very dark place and there is light.
I'll believe they've abandoned "the message" when we've gotten 15 consecutive years without it.
Why would you even want that?
@@raydarable Why would you want The Message?
@@CantusTropus Because 'the message' isn't the problem, it's lazy writing that prioritizes quantity over quality.
There exists out there many films with the same message that are very very good, but they took actual time and effort to make.
@@raydarable "Keep telling yourself that, darling..." 🤣
~Jack Sparrow
@@HexenStar If you'd watch something other than franchise films, you'd see what I mean.
They'll NEVER learn. Hollywood is insane.
We must always remember, the Marxists own in Hollywood and the Hollywood Marxists were allowed to write the history of America, all of the cold war was dictated by their direction.
Until the studios and people in Hollywood are replaced with people who actually care and who want to produce quality over message, Hollywood will never get better. That's why I look to Nintendo and their subtle hints they want to take over Disney's place in the realm of princess product sales and movies.
No, evil, since inception, except that now, they are not even trying to hide it anymore!
They'll just get more subtle with their pushing, "The Message." It's sure as hell not going to go away.
I don't know about that, as far as DEI politics being shoved up every orifice, anyway. What seems so questionable about DEI policies is that it has proven to lose money and companies are literally required to make as much money as possible. Pandering is supposed to make money. In 2020-2022 VC funding was handed-out by the millions to any project willing to pander. It was all a big miss calculation but I honestly think it's the sunk-cost fallacy of releasing 5-year-projects that makes The Message seem so dug-in.
Hollywood may be insane, but the people who write the checks want a return on their investment.
The damage has already been done. They didn't want me as a fan. So I won't come back. All my heroes are dead.
yup
but theres a female silver surfer in one of the upcoming movies .... that'll be good right?
6:01 what in the vacuum cleaner is that
Was that metroid or something
"The Message" is bigger than the corporation. Unfortunately.
Money supply is bigger then the Message.
They are a cartel at this point
@@Puzzoozoo These are Communists we're talking about. Money is of no object to them. The only thing they understand is being put up against the wall.
The ''good ol'' globalist agenda.
I dunnoooo message don’t get far without someone paying bills
"Really?!?" -Drinker 2024
Drinker is bought and paid for…
@@joseph8298 I wouldn't have said that a few hours ago. But now? I wonder.
@@joseph8298 by who hm? Source? Evidence? None? You just made it the fuck up?
@@BurkeanMama Same as first dude - evidence? Sources? None?
@@joseph8298 like your mom?
They aren't abandoning it. They are taking it covert. It will be back.
I mean....good?
Have some good clever writing,some great fun,and interesting commentary and most are good
It's not hidden at all. Give at look at shows like "Those about to die", the message is everywhere (the show takes place in ancient Rome but they managed to have 5 african characters in the cast, it's ridiculous), give a look at Gladiator 2 with a black roman emperor...
@@ryostu1 I thought he was hannibal who was a carthaginian, granted he still wasn't black but ffs man they just won't stop will they,
If only "The Message" would truly go away now!
As many others have said: "If you think DEI is gone, I've got a BRIDGE to sell you."
I see what you did there.
Kirsche got me looking at bridge, and while I can say probably most of the dei stuff is well-meaning idiots, Bridge is straight up commie shit.
Does that BRIDGE have JEDI on it?
I've become so disenfranchised by the film industry that even when I hear about a rare movie that is actually good, I cannot bring myself to pay money and time to go and see it.
The cinema experience is dead to me.
Totally agree with you. They killed my love for the movies. And i lost all trust.I used to watch at least 20 movies a year in the cinemas. Now i havent watched a movie there for 4 years. And i got exactly 4 blu rays from movies i missed during that time span. Its a shame, but life goes on.
Yep. I'd rather not go.
@@martintimmer8574same I was at least a dozen a year until Covid and the message ruined it.
I have seen 103 movies this year with about a dozen of them being in theatre, and aside from a few of the older ones like Mad Max and Planet of the apes, they were all amazing in a small way. movies are so diverse that you can watch a new movie everyday and die without seeing even half of them. The current infestation in film is a small majority of self-centered producers and directors that force passionate crews and actors to churn out slop. I too avoid slop like Mobius and most of new phase marvel, but assigning the slop title to the whole piece of cheese cause one little piece of mold? just cut it off and eat the rest of the cheese, it still tastes good.
Piracy isn't theft if purchasing isn't ownership!
Don't let them fool you. They're just going to hide it. Keep up the scrutiny, keep calling it out, and keep pushing back.
You can bet your ass they will play both sides every time.
The next iteration of DEI is called BRIDGE (check out KIrsche's deep dive if you're interested)
The whole point of BRIDGE is to make DEI harder to detect.
They are afraid of lawsuits, so they are burrowing deeper, making their efforts more covert.
Not only are they not abandoning the message, they are doubling, tripling down on it.
Well I'm sure that BRIDGE will be dealt with thoroughly by spreading awareness of it.
Maybe they are going completely subliminal now.
To paraphrase Captain Picard: "Maybe. But THE MESSAGE, or something like it, will always be with us, waiting for the right climate in which to flourish, spreading hate in the name of righteousness. Vigilance, Mister Drinker - that is the price we have to continually pay."
Just like the garden, the weeds are always there and laying idle waiting for opportunities to take over. We as viewers continue and always stay vigilant, or else, "THE MESSAGE" will make a comeback.
Absolutely correct. Just like Communism, no matter how many times it fails it never seems to go away.
Vigilance does not have to be the price that is paid!
Just don't subscribe to their BS propaganda by spending your hard earned money with them!! Take up a hobby instead!!
@@lapprentice Wouldn't even be the first time: round one* was "Political Correctness" in the 1990's. South Park torpedoed that and led to the shock humor craze of the 2000's, we though Political correctness was dead and in the past but the people in power who wanted it were still in power and still wanted it. When shock humor got stale they shoved it all back in.
*IF that even was round one, its just as far back as I personally remember.
Isn't Captain Picard a woke puccy to now? Oh wait, I think his actor always was. Lol
"You saved up from the message"
"more like, under new managment" they got a bridge to sell you
My uncle works for Marvel and he says they're going to start exclusively making period dramas set during the industrial revolution instead of superhero movies. Trust me bro, my uncle said it.
Yep, about as much believability at this point as Chris Gore's rumors.
Sounds far more legit than anything Gore says. The man is a parasite. Baffles me how the others don't see it
They can remake "Metropolis".
3:50 yeah because when i go watch a movie i don't want to have a fun, i want to be lectured and accused for not being a gay man
They called us, the people who paid for comics and movies for decades to make them big, all sorts of evil things. And they think just doing things a little different is going to get us to open our wallets again?! No!! Without contrition, there will be no forgiveness.
They think that, and they are correct.
@@zogwort1522 Except you people, that got George to sell Star Wars, have never been able to say how they are objectively bad. All you've got is "me no likey Jar Jar". The Prequels are perfection and far better than the Old trilogy.
@@RyanLongArt Statistically probably, but on the other hand, they'll never have my "meaningful consent" for the slaughter-house anymore (for what it's worth).
Yes you will lol
Today marks the day the DP&W passed a billion dollars. Congrats Ryan Reynolds, Hugh showed them.
I cannot stand RR, so yeah... no thx fam.
@@plinko84 numbers don’t lie. Thanks for your 2 cents, dork..
“Male n Pale is stale” imagine if the reverse was said.
The amount of people that will throw up in arms if the foundation of film making was;
“Fat n Black is Whack” or
“Lady n Weighty is Shady”.
The Backlash would be immense.
Black is whack.
"Could you imagine if the races were reversed?"
"Zebra Challenge"
Etc.
You've obviously put some thought into it, how long have you been holding that in?
You've obviously put some thought into it, how long have you been holding that in?
And you know what? There is something we could learn from disney.
Backlash this, backlash this...bah... It's about time people said "fuck the backlash!"
and kept sticking to their guns. It's all an illusion: here today, gone tomorrow - clicks
on the screen, virtual reality, a poof, fake news, storm in a teacup.
You've got a free masterclass in the subject right there. It's time we've learned.
Fight fire with fire.
Hollywood was founded by "The Message" and they will never abandon it. They are just turning down the volume for right now.
Maybe McCarthy was on to something.
Hollywood was not founded on the message. It was founded on a desire to make money. The message glommed on later and skinsuited Hollywood. The message is incapable of creation.
@@zeeochanceNo he wasn’t.
@zeeochance the only problem with McCarthy was he was stopped.
@@zeeochance He absolutely was. Declassified Soviet documents in the '90s confirmed almost all of what he was talking about.
Current Disney will never give up the message. That’s pure delusion to think otherwise.
Disney eventually has to answer to its shareholders. They can’t keep losing money indefinitely.
@@rikachu571they are blind. Disney share holders don’t seem to care. It’s been 12 years since the Lucasfilm buyout and yet they still don’t see a problem.
They will blame it on incels and nothing will happen sadly, let's enjoy our yearly slop!
@@Captain-Thievius The shareholders will care when their shares are worth less then they paid for them.
We may get a few movies that are message free, but that will be just enough for the us to let our guard down and they need what makes money to fund future messaging.
The go away now still gets me every time even though I know it’s coming 😂😂😂
I don't trust Hollywood.
Why would you in the first place
I have to point out here that the FAR bigger problem here is Disney. If Disney studios were in Kansas they would still be just as big of a problem. Hollywood did not ruin the MCU, Disney did (with the help of Feige, who they could have kept in line or fired).
@@johnparsons8271 Disney is filled with the usual Hollywood investors and workers. You're not even looking at the actual root of the issue and that's Blackrock and these other ESG investment corporations and the Federal government itself which has ESG requirements for certain tax breaks I believe. This goes deep.
Not for one second do I believe this. All these companies ever do is triple down when they lose money. "Reverse course" is not in their vocabulary. I 100% believe that all entertainment will only continue to get worse.
I don't know hollywood doesn't have the monopoly people think they do. If they aren't making things people want to see others will. I mean when DC and Marvel went woke people just started reading manga and independent comics.
@@goazer2 Yes, but they don't seem to care. People have also been watching/reading/playing very old media to get away from the current crap.
These companies always seem to just label those people with whatever the taboo term of the day is, and then they continue to make the stuff that loses money.
@@guruthosamarthruin4459 Well you can't lose money forever eventually blackrock will run out or Elon Musk will buy disney.
“The Message” will only be gone after its messengers are gone.
The Message isn't gone. It's only in hibernation. It'll be back when someone making a big budget film jumps the gun right before you forgot about it.
"You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality..."
Why not?
@@simonhadley8829Cos it catches up with you and drags you out of your delusion by the nuts?
@@constantlyenthused336 True,
@@constantlyenthused336 Does not. See? I can still ignore reality.
As long as blackrock and vanguard exist the message ain't going anywhere, it may quiet down from time to time so the studios can make a little money on their own... But gone for good? Never.
this.
to use their lingo, it is a "systemic" issue
This.
Idk about Brock but I know for a fact Vang is hemorrhaging green right now.
@@npatt6362 Blackrock still has more money than Vanguard probably ever will.
ESG scores are their control
The RDJ thing shows that they're replacing the old message with a new message: "we're out of ideas"
jajajajaja great comment!!!!
Nailed it.
I mean if you can't figure out what to do with an incredible character like Victor Von Doom, you may well hang it up.
Bringing back Downey Jr smells of desperation.
Weird how people never said this about Chris Evans coming back [to the Marvel franchise] as Captain America.🤔
Been out of ideas for decades this is nothing new
@@georgevaughn6486and since the MCU hasn’t reversed course seeing it doesn’t kill their woke agenda. But watch people lose their crap and spend money on memberberries
They are still releasing Agatha. They are still releasing Wonder Man. They are still using Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards. Time will tell i guess.
I'll believe it when I see it, and even then, I'm not sure I'll forgive. The way they berated their own fans for years is no minor thing.
As soon as Marvel is comfortable again they’ll go back to spreading the message
Bingo.
They’ll simply retreat slightly then continue forward again. Just slower this time.
All these channels celebrating Deadpool and Wolverine box office, when that money will funnel back to Disney projects, are deluding themselves. they lose money in 10 projects and recoup it in 1 single popcorn movie for the idiots out there. It is too simple a formula, any kind of dumb f can do what Disney does. the mob still plays the rigged game no matter how displeased they may seem at their lot...like Rome when it was going down in flames.
More like shoving it down your throat.
If they were at the top of the world during endgame, they could have just stopped and not announced anything besides No Way Home, GOTG3, and Deadpool/Wolverine
Large companies like Blackrock fund the "message", not consumers. It doesn't matter if they lose out in the box office. We're not the customer anymore.
More people should be talking about this.
It is an inevitability that when the populace is too poor to live, they stop caring about the money, and when they stop caring about the money, it no longer matters how much anybody has hoarded. Every corrupt tsarist regime will eventually have a russian revolution. The 0.000001%ers only have power because they have lots of money, and lots of money only gives them lots of power, because the populace equates the two...
why would Blackrock fund the "message"?
@@PizzaLordgoogle blackrock, kid
@@PizzaLord a stupid, weak, defenseless, and efeminate populace is easy to control.
Oh there is DEFINITELY at least one director who will never be afraid to say ANYTHING.
Quentin Tarantino. An interviewer asked him "Do you think you could make Django Unchained today? I don't think you could."
His response: "It's not like the studios are gonna say no."
And if they would, his approach is something like "If you're not doing it, I'll find someone who does."
I'm just putting my 80's songs, movies and attitude on repeat. Happier times.
AMEN brother!!
Are you kidding. The 80's are the origin of the problem. The 70's were the golden age of culture, as the creatives in every medium not only experimented wildly and blazed a million new trails, but also managed to make good money while doing it. The 80's was when all those people were eaten piecemeal by the big money men, their works streamlined and dumbed down for maximum mass appeal. There was no message back then, just straight money making, but it was this establishment of total corporate dominance that eventually enabled the message to take hold, and might enable something much worse still in the future. As soon as the main goal of creative endeavours becomes profitability instead of self-expression, the culture gets cancer.
$1 DVDs from thrift stores, ALL pre-2012
@@thecandlemaker1329 Nice opinion piece, but that's all it is is your opinion!
Musicians/artists have been exploited from day dot....Elvis Presley, Rolling Stones, Cliff Richard, Carpenters just to name a few from the 70s!
The only difference between the 70s and 80s was that "music" transitioned from radio to video making MORE expression, not just the artists standing around playing instruments and singing but clips telling a story or interpreting the song for the fan....
The naughties destroyed the music industry with "autotuning and mass producing of sex selling videos".
@@zogwort1522 Oh it absolutely was, no question. I'm not a film expert, but I know my music. What genres dominated in the 70's? Progressive rock, heavy metal, jazz fusion. Definitely not designed for mass appeal. And what genres came to the fore in the 80's? New wave, hair metal and smooth jazz! No one could deny that they were straight up dumber.
So fed up with politics. I want a distraction away from the dinner party virtue vomit so I can believe in the human race again
I mean this video is literally good news showing a shift in a the right direction...
you ever think there really is no reason to believe in the human race because well look around look at history, maybe we all need to start believing in something else.
That's why they are so pissed that Deadpool and Wolverine is so significantly successful. It deviated from the now standard recipe and everyone loved it. Which means there must be something wrong with the people, and not the trash they trowel out.
Remember, this isn't about making money. It's about perception. And yours can't be correct if you aren't simply consuming product and waiting for next product.
i dont want to believe in the human race again.
i have noticed i am much more comfortable like that.
@@crazyworld54321 Why would hollywood be pissed for making a good and profitable film? All i'm seeing is hatred coming from anti-woke folk in these comments because of this deviation that hollywood actually can make something good.
With all the people that still proclaimed The Message still in their positions of power I doubt it has been abandoned.
A pause is NOT a retraction.
They aren't abandoning anything. Disney brought RDJ back to try and save the franchise they destroyed. Just because they canceled a few shows doesn't mean they've abandoned "the message".
Never let down your guard, they WILL try again, under a different label. these people will never give it up until they're cold in the ground. Stay vigilant, never let up your guard, they always strike at your back.
Hollywood is such a den of snakes
No step on snaek.
And P___Files.
@@jacobdavis3876 Godforbid.
Too late. They showed us who they are and what they believe.
Your defeatist, cynical mindset won't fix sh*t either.
I was pleasantly surprised by Inside Out 2 largely ignoring The Message, especially because the actual message it's bringing across - your bad experiences also shape who you are, but you can still come out a good person - is a great message, and just what its target audience needs to hear. That's what made Pixar the big bucks for the first time in years.
The only reason “the message” got into Hollywood in the first place is they have a grossly overinflated sense of how “important” their job is.
The reason you noticed the message is because they panicked, jumped the gun and accelerated this stuff because we voted the wrong way in 2016.
I think most Americans have inflated senses of importance....
SELF PROCLAIMED "ELITE" BECOMING ELITE LOSERS...
The message was (and will be) pushed because of who owns and finances the media companies. Makes you wonder why they keep pushing DEI even though it is clearly losing them money. Could their motive be something other than immediate profit?
@@ty194yep.
There are too many true believers in positions of power for the message to die out.
I've moved on...from all of them. Good luck getting me to watch anything that comes out of Hollywood ever again. My indifference has reached it's zenith.
Agreed. Indifference and apathy is far worse than hate for what these studios crank out. But let these "nerd channels" hate watch, and waste their time and money.
3:38 Elemental was actually a sleeper hit, gaining popularity after cinematic release. While there was some political topics, I did not feel it shoved through our faces, and the overall premise was about a simple male-female romance from different cultures. I actually liked the film and wished it did better, it suffered from Pixar's past failures, but in my opinion is was not a failure on its own.
I'm still not holding my breath for a "return to form" from anything Disney.
I saw a Target ad last week with a normal white boy asking his mom for a dinosaur backpack for school this year. I had to watch the whole ad to believe what I was seeing. First time I've seen a normal straight white male on TV in a very long time.
Not this again
Wow. Really? I just downgraded Hulu to commercial package because I never watch it, but I recently saw Kingdom of Planet of the Apes. There were only four segments of commercials but I wanted to count how many times I saw white men portrayed as dumb or evil in the commercials. By the end of the film I was happy that there wasn’t a single instance of a white male being depicted as evil or stupid in ANY commercial throughout the entire runtime of the movie!
Because I couldn’t count a single time they were onscreen.
This is NOT equality. This is perceived revenge. And it only hurts everyone, because it gives the real racists more ammunition to use. I don’t know how many white men will feel so disenfranchised as to turn to dangerous groups (JJJ) for support, but the number’s not zero.
@@Devil-Made Yes, I've noticed that too! Now they've just erased 'straight white male' from ads when it used to be 'dumb, bumbling, idiotic straight white male dad figure'. Imagine if they had an ad with a woman coming in to an auto repair shop saying 'My 710 cap fell off, I need help!' and the straight white male mechanic laughed and said 'Oh silly woman, that's the OIL cap' and patted her on her head and sent her on her way. Heads would implode.
Programming. It's called programming for a reason. But on a lighter note, it's hilarious how there seems to be this uproar going on. Since the first days of television every single stereotype about everyone darker than a sheet of paper was normal programming. Not a problem.
@@soundmindbodydivineyes, they observed reality, and acted accordingly. Stereotypes are confirmed through repeated observation.