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3:50 I honestly believe that F1 is the biggest reason why this attitude is creeping into sim racing. Because, let's face it, the F1 stewards repeatedly have been ruling the exact opposite. Of course people will try impossible divebombs and think that they are in the right when they crash if they see Verstappen and Hamilton doing the exact same thing week in, week out.
A damn shame because when you see real, genuinely good racing it almost universally involves two drivers leaving room for one another through one or more corners. That's almost inconceivable for some drivers.
Thats my conclusion too. Fia and stewards have proven themselves to be completely clueless. I hear fans use the FIA's incompetent rulings to justify their mistakes more and more lately
@@goldengooch1867 Fully agreed. F1 may involve the best drivers of them all, but it sure as hell doesn't involve the fairest. Racing ettiquette has been severely lacking these last few years, and in my opinion the sport is suffering for it.
In addition to this, F1 is so safe now that any divebombs won’t result in physical harm to either driver, so anything goes. The worst thing in F1 IMO isn’t divebombing as such, but crowding cars off the circuit, as Jimmy says in the second video.
@@goldengooch1867 ace when you're in an online lobby hot lapping the nordschleife and you get into a clean race partway through your lap with a couple of cars , all just respecting each others space ! Nothing beats that sort of racing!
sim racing steward content is so important 📝
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wtf ?
Lmao, not a lot of people noticed this
No way! It's CZcams!!!
Definitely
It’s genuinely painful how many people suddenly have the epiphany that they’re the next Senna before absolutely sending it down the inside from 7 tenths back
When gap send it
@@therealf.b.i9468 if gap, car
This. I don't know how they think they will make it... and this is worst on multiclass and I'm looking at you LMDh drivers on iRacing, where they think "I'm fast car, I'm pass, you let space, unga unga"
The fact that a bs quote from Senna to excuse that kind of lunge got so popular as well doesn't help in trying to erradicate that sort of behavior
@@therealf.b.i9468 when I have a car 7 tenths behind me, I obviously drive the normal line, cause I don’t expect a launch. So there is always a gap
I was the 9 car at 16:40 and by now have realized how dumb that 10 car was. originally I thought he lost control at the end of the hairpin and cam across the track trying to save it and didn't even begin to think it was deliberate blocking. and was trying to learn from the situation as almost all of my simracing had been against ai before that point and was still figuring out how to race around other people but im glad we can all laugh at the 10 car together now, Also having been watching jimmy for somewhere around 4 years now I never thought I would find my way into a video so that was a fun experience to open the video and see my clip right at the beginning.
Dude I saw this on the thread, gives me a good chuckle now but damn was I mad when I first saw this 😅
You have no idea how angry it makes me when people go alongside during a single file restart trying to be like Verstappen. Also, loved the squidward looking out of the car at Le Mans, send my regards to editor-chan.
Had it happen again yesterday. One passes on straight and way before corner he pulls his car in front of me . Or at leas he tries becous he did not look if he did completly pass. So he tippd my nose and span around. Starts yelling i was at fault whahahaha
@@harry69007 Lewis? Hasn't exactly had the best track record in recent side by side battles
@@RobertDoornbosF1 This is a casual take, for every battle he's had with Verstappen (roughly 2018 to now) he's only been at fault for 1 (Max 2 if you blame him for Jeddah) incidents.
The only poor season he's had driving-wise was '11, he's was clean as soon as he joined F1 and has (minus a season and sporadic incidents) been clean throughout his career.
@@danielo7985 albon would probably disagree 😂
@@adenkyramud5005 I thought about that so I said "Minus a season and sporadic incidents". As 2011 was a joke from him (incident/consistency wise - he was actually very quick that year). Then he proceeded to make love to Albon's right rear a couple of times
At least you agree with the rest though 😅
I like the old italian rules where u need to have your front axle atleast past their rear axle to claim that portion of the track. If youre not there its on you to back out. Its logical since the guy in front cant see anything beyond a certain point if someones in that spot
Is this not what "significantly alongside" means in F1 rn?
@@danielo7985 it changes every weeks based on stwwarts interpretation sadly
@@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic5083 9/10 to help Max, I mean WTH was that in Brazil, front wheel to rear wheel 5 miles wide of the apex is fine IG
Don't get me wrong, Max is a great driver, but he's dirty as hell and the stewards defend it
@@richardhobbs7360 and because the stewards defended it, everyone now tries to do this to a lesser extent mostly though, and now it's infected other series and sims.
@@danielo7985 FIA rules are completely subjective to the stewards, so it's hard to tell. (this isn't an opinion, its a fact)
"If you don't move, I'll crash into you"
perfect summary of F1 games
the reason I only play private lobies. so damn infuriating
@@RevvedUpProgess I don't even go there, I am a tt sweat
The old Senna mindset. "You either let me by or we both crash"
The Verstappen strat
@@JayEmCee2011 old Verstappen. current Verstappen is much more careful
I'm a noob, and I have learned more race craft in these videos than I have anywhere else so far, learning so much. Good man Jimmy, you're saving me some trouble here! Love your whole channel mate, pure inspiration!!
He's some boy for sure our Jimmer!
Some of these lads need to understand that "leaving enough room to drive" is not the same as "the car in front needs to leave enough room for me to divebomb him from a different planet"
Something else at 20:05 that I think is worth mentioning is the fact that the Aston is only where he ends up because he cut the corner. The Porsche driver is doing the right thing by taking a tighter line so as to not hit the Lambo, but still hits the apex. There is only one way which the Aston could get past, by slowing down and trying to switchback into the next corner, but he starts turning in way too early, almost desperately trying to stay in the mix, and that’s why he was even there in the first place.
First thing I noticed is that he massively cut the corner. How they are both blaming him is beyond belief, I really hope they watch this video and realise what a helmet they are
That cut is perfectly legal at Misano. Completely on track. Honestly the lambo just seems to have an oversteer moment.
Honestly all three drivers could've avoided this accident, the Porsche never even lifts off the throttle as they drive into the side of the Lambo.
@@FEVB Yep track limits there and most places in ACC are two wheels on the kerb which the Aston follows.
I've personally done the 'green mercedes' thing many times. i ***thought*** i was ahead of the other car, moved over, then raged because the guy did a PIT manouver on me. THEN i watched the replay and realized that i was NOT ahead of the other car, and that i PIT manouvered MYSELF. lol
do these games not have mirrors or some sort of indicator to tell you that you are about to PIT yourself?
@@GloomGaiGar they do, but sometimes you forget to use them!
@@GloomGaiGar Depends on the game, most people in iRacing use Crew Chief who is a better spotter than the built in spotter.
"even if you make a mistake that you didn't intend to do" well done jimmy, you described a mistake
Nahh, mistakes can be made intentionally. Unintentional mistake is an accident. For example, ramming is basically doing a mistake on purpose. Drunk driving is a mistake and people know that but some do it anyways. Keiichi Tsuchiya had to make mistakes intentionally when portraying as a newbie driver in F&F Tokyo Drift movie. Even maps often include intentional mistakes to catch other map makers for copying.
@@TrolledBy I get what you're saying but I don't think if its done intentionally it can be considered a mistake just by the definition of the word. Like if you intentionally ram somebody its not a mistake you're just ramming, your choosing to commit the action. If you accidentally brake too late and ram into the back of the person then its a mistake. Its still ramming but its the intention that determines how its judged.
Or as we call in America, "one of them racin' deals".
@@liveandletdie138A mistake is solely defined by the outcome, regardless of intent. If I intentionally put money into the stock market and I lose it all it’s obviously a huge mistake, even though it wasn’t accidental
That last clip gets me every time. I was actually told by some divebombing idiot that "overtaking cars have the right of way". How can anybody race thinking it's the job of the car ahead of you to let you by just because you found a way to get within my bumper by carrying an unreasonable amount of speed into a closing gap?
"I'm taking your inside now, please give me room or this is all your fault"
This would be really hilarious, if if wasn't unironically how F1 stewards rule overtakes nowadays.
13:22 At the angle he took that, he was gonna hit the inside wall anyway.
Sudden braking + maintaining normal steering per the expected speed.
Basically, his only correction was to brake, which likely caused a slight turn-in.
Not that either would matter as he was hitting that guy no matter what he did. (Unless he chose to turn directly into the wall on the right at full speed.)
Missed opportunity to have Fernando in the thumbnail
The title is a Verstappen quote.
F1 clip around 11:00 is one of my pet peeves with the game. It feels like the cars are looking for any reason to spin and there's basically no saving it. I don't think that would have happened in a real car
Yeah, it's a shame that the official F1 games aren't as realistic as possible, especcially if you compare it to Assetto Corsa Competizione. The mods for Assetto Corsa by Race Sim Studios do pretty well tho.
i don't know, I've read from some driver interviews, i think maybe leclerc, that the current cars kinda spin out suddenly as compared to previous years. Could be misrembering, as we've definitely seen some a couple saves. But also some good binnings, like sainz and verstappen in the gravel in the same race last year because of wind, and max spinning after passing leclerc then passing him again. Haven't played the F1 game or assetto corsa tho.
Depends on the car, Vettel's Ferrari used to spin like that for no reason (really it was because it didn't have enough rear grip)
@@lurtz400 I think most F1 drivers actually said that medium traction control in the games is more realistic than off because the cars spin so easily in game.
The oracle tried to turn but its front right wheel was being restrained by the back wheel of the ferrari and when it cleared the oracle car then reacted to the steering input previously restricted causing oversteer.
14:30 is a highly accurate recreation of Senna v Prost, Suzuka 1989. The McLaren obviously knew a was partially alongside, and turned in early to deny the move at the potential cost of a DNF.
very well put
Exactly what I was thinking
14:30 yeah total agreement with you. To me it looked like the McLaren did know the red bull was there, and moved, under breaking to block. Ambitious move by the red bull (by ambitious I mean stupid) but trying to 'scare a car away' like that McLaren did is borderline intentional
A longer episode? It isn't long ENOUGH!
We want double this :D
jimmer posting 2 videos is 2 days is always a nice thing to see
My thoughts on the clip at 9:07 . Obviously the porsche goes wide, but the overtaking car should have left more room for netcode and passed safely. When the one piece decorated porsche is at full throttle, it is pointed straight out of the exit of the turn with minimal steering angle. Watching closely it doesnt seem like theres any oversteer until the nissan makes contact. Perhaps the full throttle caused some wheel spin but again, looks like the oversteer started after contact. I interpret this as the nissan shouldve let the porsche wheelspin in a straight line out of the turn exit and pass safely, 9:44 looks like they couldve gave more room but straightened out on the exit almost like there was no car on the outside. The porsche could improve their apexing on that corner, but they didnt deserve contact even if they were wheel spinning straight out of the turn exit. Open to constructive criticism and other interpretations :)
Me: Sees title
Also me: ALL THE TIME YOU HAVE TO LEAVE A SPACE
same
About the Porsche GT7 clip. I have always stood by that if you make a mistake that causes you to go off line to almost treat it like a circuit rejoin. Too many people go wide on entry or exit then hurry back to the racing line 10-20 mph slower than normal and just expect overtaking cars to either back out or take avoiding action, especially in 1 lane corners and in games like gt7 that have strict contact penalties they use it as an exploit.
20:18 that Aston is the embodiment of 'If gap, Car'
Man seeing you come this far from the heartfelt video of you explaining your struggles with mental health and just life itself in general gives me hope man so so so happy for you bro hope there's only better things to come. Many thanks 🙏
23:00 I 100% would've ruled that as a racing incident in my time as a F1 league steward as well. Great call Jimmer
More of this series please Jimmy. Loving these videos!
11:21 jimmy even though the Red Bull might’ve spun it by himself, it could also have been caused by the sausage kerb which is a killer in this game, if that’s so I’d blame the Ferrari since there was absolutely no need for him to go that wide
You should do more of these - accidents and analysing who's to blame as a little automobile drama. They're amusing and unique. This takes advantage of your respectable demeanour, too, with presentation - witty and enthusiastic scrutiny.
Love these videos its great to see your opinion on incidents!
I love these! So much information and a long episode is always welcomed. Nice one Jimmy ❤
I can see why you're animated at the injustice at 21:00. It's horrible when you're blamed for an accident that wasn't your fault. One incident still sticks in the mind from Forza on the 360 years ago when I was kicked from a lobby for allegedly causing the obligatory Forza T1 pileup when I was nowhere near the accident. I had a tactic on Forza where I'd hang back at the start and see how many crashed out on T1 before weaving my way through the wreckage.
Legit some of my favorite content you do Jimmy as someone who is just learning I get to laugh along as I learn some racecraft! Thanks for these vids!
thanks for a longer version of these!
love you jimmy proud of how far u came
This is one of the best videos you release jimmers
loving this series!
I love these and I wish you could do them more often.
First time I've watched one of these videos of yours, loved every second of it!
10:20 , The porsche is able to run it from first gear full throttle out of that corner with little to no wheelspin
100% GT-R fault
I do think the gtr touched him, but you can see before he was even alongside the porsche spun up a bit, so tough one to judge
Porsche out braked himself into the corner you could almost consider his correction a re-entry to the racetrack. That's how bad he braked into the corner. Dude was off line, under speed, and tries to maneuver his car back on to the racing line which he lost by his own mistake - in order to block the following car. GTR did nothing wrong.
Need more of these Jimmy!
13:53 I think that that is indeed referred to as "licence penalty points"
23:30, in NASCAR any amount inside is legitimate. That’s part of what makes NASCAR road course racing quite so… dynamic.
In any other racing series, the black car probably should’ve just backed out.
Definitely love the longer format for these videos
Rare Sim Racing Steward video where I fully agree with Jimmer on every decision.
Agreed about 22:30 - Racing incident. Both cars were entitled to space in the corner (one on the inside, one on the outside) and both had room to give but neither did so they made contact.
Loved the longer episode!
Very good series. Hope you do this more often.
I love this Series! So much to learn and laugh, the best combo!
Top tier content! Thanks for bringing it to us!
It might seem like you're just having some good fun making content, but this format really does help the online racing community as a whole. With most online drivers, it's usually impossible to have a rational conversation about fault, when they have no idea how fault actually works. Thanks for bringing clarity to the scene.
Here are my thoughts around the @11:00 minutes mark:
- If it were a wall, that squeeze would have been a crash
- since there isn't a wall, gravel or grass there, we generally consider tarmac escape areas as fair because the driver can keep control, stability and momentum
- however, like in Hockenheim stadium with camber and Austria's turn 1 with sausage kerbs damaging the undertray of Leclerc in 2019, there are some cases a squeeze can unfairly hurt another driver's ability to maintain control
in my opinion, forcing a formula car to ride on that kerb while turning can be such a case that counts similar to forcing a stock car to grind against a wall, in terms of loosing momentum and stability
although i don't believe the Ferrari player had the intention or control to cause it on purpose, it would be fairplay to return the position in race when alerted by radio
as for in game, there is no one on the radio to give such a fine alert and net code can make a squeeze look way harder than it was, so i'd say racing incident for the video
For the crash at the kink, I would say that he reacted late because it's the kink. If he reacted sooner, the rear would smack that outside wall pretty hard. That's part of the reason why that corner is so difficult, cause any sudden movements mean death. If you look, it looks as if his steering wheel flinched much sooner than he reacted, showing that he was reacting, but he kinda lost the rear end of it a bit once he did react. That loss of grip just would've been sooner if he reacted sooner.
I mean I've gone to RA a dozen times irl and something like this always happens each year in at least one of the sessions. It's just an unfortunate set of circumstances in my eyes. Nature of the corner.
Another brilliant episode.
Really enjoy these; learn a lot!
Ump Jimmy is the best Jimmy. Thank you mate - good show - learnt a lot!
need a 10 hour version of this
k Jimmer thanks
You're looking great jimmer! Hope life finds you well my friend 👍☺️
9:00 me being a gt7 sim racer, I can tell that the Porsche did in fact begin wheelspinning. However that doesn't mean that it will start to oversteer, sometimes you can keep it perfectly straight while wheelspinning (toe in helps). But my final verdict is that the gtr ever so lightly tapped the Porsche's rear (which had reduced grip at the time because of wheelspinning) which sent the Porsche sideways. GTR at Fault!
love the longer video format jimmer!
love this series, keep it up! :)
About 21:30 with Mercedes and Redbull:
Before the 50m board breaking reference, the Mercedes is fully ahead and has room to run wide.
In fact, the Redbull has to consider wether to cross paths and take the inside or try to run around the outside depending on the car ahead outbreaking itself or line choice.
The Mercedes was close enough to the inside to avoid crossing lines while keeping an advantage for the next corner to the opposite side.
If the Redbull went just a bit wider there would be no contact and the next corner would invert the situation for those 2.
In the end it was a racing incident in my opinion as both cars had margin to avoid immediate contact and both tested their luck trying to get a little better positioned for the next corner to decide the move on the exit of turn 2.
By the way, had they not collided, it would be very similar to the incident at 11:00 minutes.
Not sure if this was mentioned re: grampaspace at Barcelona turn 10,
but Nico Rosberg explains on his Track Guide series that the wind is consistently working against you on that exit, and wheel spin when you’re that far on the exit kerb is practically imminent. Pretty sure the F1 drivers map the diff to change here fairly drastically.
Not sure if GT3 cars would be more or less affected by this or if sims are also accounting for it. Interesting tho either way!
Another great video Jimmy!
GT3 cars would most likely be affected way less as they don't have as much downforce and don't have so many different panels on the car directing the air in specific ways.
Also while I'm not 100% sure I very very much doubt that the game would be accounting for that .
Thanks Ben!
20:45 best possible option there would've been to slow down and get speared from behind. Ideally the Aston would've missed OP and slammed the Lambo out of the way
3:22 I just adore these tiny little quippy sound clips sprinkled in, compliments to the chef (Jimmer or the poor bloke who edits for him).
22:55: I immediately thought it's nobody's fault because both parties did their best with no bad intent. The POV car could have went more in, but that's up to your off-line experience. Exactly a great example of nobody's fault.
Jimmer, you are smart and wise with your stewarding. I 100% agree with your rulings.
Agreed with all your points. Should I be worried?
Jimmy 1lpp means one license penalty point and almost all leagues have them. If u exceed a certain amount you either get a quali ban or a race ban
8:10 looks more like netcode to me. It would have been very close, but without the problem of internet connections, I think both cars would have made it, albeit with no room to spare.
The worst part about all these is the people who caused most of the crashes don't care the victims think about it enough to go seek answers to the situation
More of these longer SimRacingStewards episodes please Jimmy
Id assume weaving is fine to break toe but once they start to get closer, the "one defensive move" rule comes into play. That's how ive always raced
Exactly. Especially when you watch a Race at the Nordschleife, literally everyone is doing this at the Döttinger Höhe.
people forget they're racing against amateurs with some of these moves. we're all a bit shit. live to race another lap
space is important but also contextual. If you’re committed to the inside and brake late (but make the apex) your speed may not allow you to keep on the inside if someone last minute dive bombs down the outside. The opposite isn’t true though - if you’re aiming outside you can back off and go further off if needed to avoid an accident. I see a lot of sim racing where sometimes it feels like people think the track is split down the middle and you stick to your bit. When you’re established side by side thats ok but iniitial coming together isn’t necessarily so
if you’re making a move down the inside you have to make sure you’re able to make the corner *and* leave space on the outside for the defending car. If you’re making a move on the outside, you need to leave space on the inside but expect to stay very wide and be aware the inside car may not be able to stay tight.
20:38 no it's fine! They're just doing tandems.
Did NOT expect to hear the Hotel Mario CDi Game soundtrack as your bgm. What a frickin weird blast from the past.
12:15 - 13:40 Weird how you didn't mention that the car ahead completely misjudged the entry to the corner and that's why he breaked so unexpectedly
Yeah, his reason for braking seems pretty obvious considering his location.
@@Tuulos Don't really need to mention it as it's still completely unexpected and unavoidable from the car behind, There is only so much the overtaking car can take blame for before it's actually just him getting caught up in an incident caused by a rolling roadblock
It looks like the onboard car hit the inside wall first and he would’ve been fine otherwise
The first thing he said was that the driver could be inexperienced. Pick your ears up!
@@jacobmorris19 I noticed this too, camera car was never making the corner, hits the inside wall before hitting the other car.
loving this enthusiasm and wisement helmet Lol.. The Outro is SUBLIME jimmer
10:40 I wish we could see driver inputs here, because that wheel-on-wheel contact could have caused the Red Bull driver to countersteer to push back against the Ferrari, which would have triggered the spinout as soon as the contact ended. I see why Jimmy called it as he did, but I would have given fault to the Ferrari because contact was made, the Ferrari was in the process of squeezing the Red Bull out, and the spin happened immediately after the moment of contact ended. The Ferrari may not have been the sole cause, but it was the primary cause IMO.
I think more than anything is the physics of F1 2022 being very unpredictable, in my experience, when you get on the throttle it feels nice and grippy then suddenly you loose complete traction in a split second, and doing the exact same thing does not react the exact same way.
Jimmy botches one every episode
21:30 - I do believe it's the Red Bulls fault, not a racing incident, only because at the point of contact, it is the Red Bull that is trying to overtake and it is his responsibility to not cause any contact. The Red Bull had plenty of space on the outside, even though the Mercedes has slightly missed the apex, he was still in-front and the Red Bull has to overtake cleanly.
max verstappen started a trend on rolling single file restarts that can’t be broken in sim racing
I agree with you jimmy great stewarding
I also love the clips from impossible overtaking spots
Jimmy, I actually am part of the league from the 13:35 clip. (I am a steward) We keep track of License Penalty Points, accumulating 6 is a Quali ban and 12 is a race ban.
can confirm, I’m the Red Bull in the clip
@@Say___ hi say
@@Say___ nice to see that their stupid shit hasnt stopped
So were you the one who gave a penalty point to the innocent party of the accident? :P
@@Excludosno I was not lol 😂
19:34 Jimmy goes through puberty (again).
Great content, love those videos!
More of these vids please JB
Thanks for the video Jimmer.
It's Penalty points.
The league I'm in is doing a full series with research points and upgrade trees, 100+ upgrades. It's fantastic. the racing is good but the beauty is how invested we all are. It's all we talk about now. The shit talking, the speculation about upgrades, trying to tease information from each other. Cars going from slow as anything to super quick because they've made good choices.
My team has made bad choices so far and the car can only be called cursed, but I'm still loving it.
By far the best thing I've ever done in sim racing. They've captured something that's just absolute pure magic.
23:05 Would love to see the inputs of the gray Porsche. If he is not full throttle to the next corner it is on the green Porsche for me. In that instance he did not have the patience to wait till the gap is big enough to squeeze in.
I would say the McLaren weaving at 15:45 is fine because they are trying to break the tow, not trying to block the other car where it would then be wrong to do. That's my opinion though.
I agree. I don't _think_ weaving is illegal, but blocking is..
8:45 - My incident
A bit of context:
The blue Nissan GTR dude has been spotted in previous races taking drivers out.
What happened is that I broke too late and went too wide while still being in the race. While driving it felt that there was contact which made me spin that way..
Honestly the replay didn't do me any justice and it does seem like I span out.
Now you made me second guess myself.. lol
Either way, I've learnt my lesson from back then and I'm trying my best to keep away from drivers and put less throttle on corner exits.
Thank you for your input :)
great attitude bro. i also thought that there was indeed contact
I believe the second angle clearly shows the tag *then* the spin. The GTR also rotates at the exact moment so there is definitely contact. Even if you were a little hasty on the throttle it could have been saveable but not with a GTR at your rear 1/4.
it was absolutely caused by the contact- I cannot see what Jimmy saw here
16:48 I think the number 10 car should have been required to take a breathalyzer test after this 😂
really loving the outro
Great video,learned something
12:46 He was to far left I think, so was to fast for that line
I always love these videos!
Hey! I was one of the stewards for the incident at 13:45. We discussed at length if the Redbull deserved the penalty for a very late lunge that was ambitious. The mclaren was going to get a penalty regardless since he moved under braking, but I argued the redbull didn’t do anything to warrant a penalty. If the Redbull made the lunge, and the mclaren stayed on his line and got hit by the Redbull, easy penalty for the Redbull.
I argued that giving someone a penalty for something that “could have” happened was not the correct decision but since were 5 stewards and 3 voted for a penalty on the redbull, that’s what occurred. Hope that gives more insight 🤝
Hello, long time no see
I hope people see these videos as Jimmy trying to explain what you can and cannot do and not Jimmy shames people for 25 minutes! The way he explains his reasoning and thought process makes it so it’s a lesson to be learn and not a belittling of the drivers in these videos. Unless you’re an absolute helmet like that #10 Miata. Keep up the videos Jimmer!