Green Flutes (1984): A Documentary About Activism and Social Conditions In Glasgow - (part 1)
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This is a documentary filmed in Glasgow and Ireland in 1984. It uncovers the sense of community and solidarity with the people in occupied Ireland through participation in the James Connolly Flute Band. This documentary was filmed in Govan, Priesthill, Larne and ?Sighthill?. It touches on the scourge of joblessness, low-wages and deprivation at a time when Glasgow industry was under heavy attack by the Thatcher Government.
The people of Glasgow speak out against the Tory regime who've cut their jobs, humiliated their women (via welfare) and decimating a whole generation of young people.
High lighting the troubles n the occupied six counties with my catholic’s cousins that was why a joined a felt it was my duty to go on in learn as much as a could like growing up listening to Pearce the proclamation in hearing about innocent catholic’s getting killed n the north of our country a loved the bands went home to Ireland 4 times a year reading the republican news paper it band practice the trips to Ireland were heart enlightened playing all the songs a heard going fishing trips as a 10year old boy great upbringing so proud of my father for keeping me on the right path in life 🇮🇪32
The wee girl is a visionary - ""Robots doing your housework" not bad for 1984 and 7 years old
Great documentary my mum & her family grew up in Govan kintra street my aunt & uncle owned the Albion way pub 😊 my dad worked in govan shipyards, I hope the people in this documentary lived full & happy lives 😊
A poignant trip down memory lane, many familiar faces, from back in the day, mo chara big Pat D, and the other members of the great J. C. Republican Flute Band 🥁
Cheers for sharing this video ☘💚☘
Were you in the band? I was there from 1998-2001, then came back when it was reformed in the last decade.
@@raoulduke344
No, I wasn't in the band, but me an my sister travelled with them, over by, to commemoration Do's, like Bloody Sunday ..
Hunger Strikers funerals 🇮🇪💚🏴
Hiya @@raoulduke344
Do you know, is the J.C. band still on the go now, in 2023 ?
Most of the folks in this video will be their 60's now ..
The generosity of ordinary folks, in Belfast, and Derry, when we went over, in the early 1980's, was so heart-warming .. they put us all up and fed us well .. proper looked after us ..
I hope everyone in this video is doing well
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Watched this a million times now. Some inspiration here with some views still applying today! Up The Workers Up The James Connolly 1st RFB 🏴🇮🇪🤝 a massive respect and solidarity to the people of Govan from a Drumchapel Bhoy ✊🏻
Hey Arron mo chara you ok mate 👍
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@@mol588 aye all good soz if you don’t mind asking who’s that? 🍀🇮🇪
@@arronblack67
A don't know ye but a liked your post 👍 just sayin hiya 🏴💚🇮🇪
@@mol588cheers bro UTP 🇮🇪✊🏻
Drumchapel is Protestant and always will be 🇬🇧
Great documentary. My family are at the very start of this. My wee grandad. Talking about the shipyards. And my aunt's and uncle. I know most of the ppl in this. Seen it lots of times. But still like to watch it. Every time I think of it. Brings back good memories of they days. And when I joined the band just after this was made. And went to the very same place in Belfast.
That’s so nice Frankie, so glad you have this memento on film. My dad features briefly in this and had helped with the making. Always good to watch it back.
Same here bud was in the band in the mid and late 80’s
what is it he said if your were a few minutes in the toilet what happened? i couldnt make out what he said?
@@raycroal he said if you were in the toilet for more than 3 minutes you were fined half a crown 😂
@@f.b508 cheers I struggled wae that bit now I am away to Google how much half a crown was
What a brilliant video of the Scottish people who came back to Belfast and marched up And down the falls road big Respect for everyone of them,,
And boy they can play very well 👌
God bless all of you over in Scotland 🏴 welcome back anytime,,
Love your band and always will do,,
Thanks for uploading this.looking for years for it:)
This is a gem, thanks for uploading.
Love this ❤️
Thanks a lot for posting this. I played in a couple of bands in the mid 80's.
love seeing ma wee granda. Sapper Boyle. and my uncle Danny and Ann Boyle. and my auntie Ann Marie Boyle. i joined the band just after this was filmed. and went to belfast shortly afterwards. i remember that pub. the blackstaff. we used to play a few tunes out side it before we went home to glasgow. great times.
Yer grandad looks like a wee character, Glasgow was full of them, Back in the day! Why was he called Sapper?
@@glasgowisblue5366 I’m not sure why he got that name sapper. I think he was a sapper in the army
First class, brings back so many memories.
i wonder what became of these people and how their lives turned out..this was an excellent docu
My Granda. is the wee man at the start. Called Sapper Boyle. Thats him and my uncle Danny Boyle being interviewed in the house at the start. sadly both have Passed away Now. but most off the people in the band. recently started the bandvup again after a period. off about 15 years. and most off them are in there late 50s and early 60s. long live the JCRFB. god bless Granda Sapper. and Uncle Danny Boyle. RIEP. TAL32
@@erinboyle6617 Thanks for the update Erin , its mad to think that this was almost 40 years ago already ., some of the kids in the film are now grandparents themselves.... watching this us like a window in to the past to see life how it used to be before the internet RIP to your uncle and granddad.
Who made the film? Was it a local production company. I loved watching this. I was doing the same in my in Ayrshire - recording all the miners and their wives just as the pits were closing and the villages turned into ghost towns.
So interesting. The people here, including the kids had the answers. Trade fish, trade wool etc .. essentially, do your own thing with your own people. What's interesting is that these days the working class are more attached to ready made culture via media, adverts, consumption and so on. There seems less outrage at injustice. I wonder how the area and the people have progressed since the film was made. Here in Sheffield, there have been similar events, particularly at that time in the 1980s. In parts of the east of Sheffield, I don't think any recovery is in evidence. Rather it looks very neglected. In the south west of the city by contrast, it seems very affluent and thriving. They've got a lot to answer for these govts. But do not let them steal your humanity. Be still and realise your true nature, Iain w in Sheffield x
People get outraged for the wrong things and it's very media-based. Like the BLM protests over the killing of George Floyd. I understand that people in the US are outraged, but it's not an issue in Scotland (black-and-white racism).
March against sectarianism or anti-Irish racism and the same so-called socialists are nowhere to be seen. It's not cool for them to take instagram pics at a march opposing anti-Irish racism or opposing sectarianism.
They're usually people who have benefited from sectarianism - even vicariously. In Glasgow you're judged by your surname and the school you went to. If you're an Irish Catholic, you're at the bottom of the totem pole. That's my experience, and the experience of many others.
If you want to see what Govan was like 20 years after this documentary, you can see a scheme called Teucharhill in the movie Trainspotting - the scene where Ewan McGregor's character takes an OD and is dragged from a flat, to the street to wait for a taxi. That scene was only round the corner from where the band are practicing.
divide the people.........own the spoils.
Govan and Priesthill, Ma Da Served his time in Fairfields Govan Born and Bred (God Bless 🙏🏻) Happy Memories of My Relatives from Govan and Pollock. Film was Great, Tony Adamson.
I've been looking 4 this 4 fuckin ages. My auld granda sapper Boyle and my uncle Danny Boyle. Its mad looking at them as they were then. But so glad I found it. I joined the connelly band about a year after this film was made. And used 2 love going over 2 Belfast every year. Great memiories and can't wait 2 show my ma this. TAL. H.H
That lass at 29 mins hit home how I felt while deployed in NI.
Family from Kerry my gran moved us to Scotland. Growing up through the 70s on army movies that's what I wanted to do.
Irish and growing up as a Scottish lad. I joined the Scottish divisions and had originally been told we were being deployed to Derry to help the catholics.
How fkn quickly that changed.
Home then deployed to Belfast at the barracks initially.
Catholic and always in trouble due to being sent to detain catholics who in my eyes were fighting for equal rights.
In my honest opinion, if you want to be British feck off to england.
WTF does Scotland or Ireland have to do with the union jack.
Took me a year or so to sink in I was not seen as a Scottish soldier but a British soldier.
I've never in my life been British.
Always an Irish Scotsmen.
Sadly naive as a teenager.
Sadly Adams sold everyone out and should be treated as the traitor he is.
They say things have changed, not in areas such as Derry, Belfast and more Ballycastle with its red white and blue kerbing.
Scotland is still as divided, on that note I did have a rangers supporter tell me he didn't care what religion I am. Astounded due to tje times I grew up in
some they banner would not be tolerated today,shows how far we have come good documentary
fantastic thanks for that alanna :-)
The flute band used to come to cork at Easter during the 90s
Glasgow back then was brutal on its knees still room for improvement today
Still brutal on the knees in 2023. Doctors told me I've arthritis in my knees due to years of being on and off the floor while on sites. Many jobs will never be done by machines
It will never improve much as long as it embraces socialism . A socialists job is to destroy capitalism so why would Scotland flourish under socialist government. People are mental.
Something inside so strong
My Grandmother lived in the posh part of Govan - She always got the subway over to Byres Road to get her messages out the more high end establishments
35:07 Jesus, mind there was a football pitch in the Elderpark Street/Uist Street backs?
At 16.50 the guy with the petta bread say he was servered a curry on a bus to Stranraer lol.Watching here in stranraer nearly 40 years later
Love Stranraer, go every year haha.
@@alanna4858 love Glasgow,i lived in Glasgow for a couple years and it was like a new exciting world to me and the people were so full of pride and carisma.i studied in springburn college for a bit then had to move back home but still long for Glasgow.Great doc btw
@@alanna4858 my mum just sold her b n b last year as she has the start of dementia,well it was straight across the road from the p an o ferry called the homestead in cairnryan,.She had all walks of lifes that stayed with her on their travels to irland ,maybe the band or your father stayed with
24.40 We had they jumpers in the Govan Shamrock
Very first clip springburn road
My uncle Jim and Uncle Joe both played in the Band
Drummers?
Class 🇮🇪🇮🇪
MY BEST PAL. WEE BERNIE DONNACHIE KNOWN AS DANCER. WAS IN THE JAMES CONNOLLY. FOR YRS PASSED AWAY ON 8TH JANUARY 24
Up the James Connolly RFB 🏴👏 Tiocfaidh ár lá ☘️🇮🇪
Love Scot’s ❤
is that bernie bonnar with the connolly going up the falls road
IT IS MATE.
Most died of Cancer because Asbestos Dust just like ma Uncle Jimmy Nicol in Fairfields Yard's,lived in Hutton Drive and his ma my Auntie lived faceing the Tunnel part. Loved going to Govan when growing -up in Sunny Glasgow that i left at 18 : )
ma granda was the old guy being interviewed at the start. with my uncle Danny. and they both worked in the shipyards. and none of them died of asbestos.
Slightest sign of asbestos on sites these days and every person is removed from the site until its made safe.
People who suffered are due a decent rest of life payment from the industry and government for allowing the health issues to harm people
Still going on. Documentary on child poverty shows gorbals recently
Lindsay Cooper (RIP) did the soundtrack work on this film
Michael Row is that right? Who was she?
@@alanna4858 She was the oboe/bassoon player for the UK avant-prog rock band Henry Cow. Incredibly talented woman who went on to do alot of soundtrack work for British TV in the 80s, she was also a vocal supporter of leftist/feminist issues throughout her career.
Michael Row wow! That’s very interesting! Was she from Glasgow? My dad was loosely involved in making this documentary and the other one on my channel. Thanks for the info on this amazing lady!
@@alanna4858 I love, Whose town is it anyway, I grew up in Easterhouse at that time and know a few folk who appeared in it, The scheme is almost unrecognisable now!
Springburn rd at the start .
Know one of the guys playing the flute .worked with him in partick Tony bhoy Ford good guy must have been about 35 year ago feck where does the years go
I know Tony well.
Tony is still going strong.
Sure I know the Orangeman at 10:24...don't want to mention his name, but a Springburn/ Balornock guy? If it's him, sound dude actually...
They filmed the shamrock for this but for some reason didn't show us
WAS THAT NO THE SHAMROCK NEAR THE END IT SHOWED YOU BIG MO MORRISON. WHEN HE WAS A BOY. IM SURE IT WAS THE SHAMROCK AS ALCO WAS IN IT TO
Andy McK lol yer right @ Erin 39:21 Im the wee guy with grey jumper @ front right ^^ scared to think how many years ago that was ^^
14.40 Fuck @ Baby Tazer lol
I Joined the band when Tazer was still in it. me and my brother were only about 10 and 11 years old. loved going to Belfast to throw stones at the brit army patrols. lol. great stuff. this brings it all back TAL32.
The stick thrower wearing his white socks. Pmsl
HAIL HAIL TORYGLEN YOUNG BHOYS 💚🍀
I do not think this video was 1984.
It was a few years earler.
You are right it was filmed in 82
Pretty sure the boy way the red tracksuit is Martin allan fae teucherhill. RIP.
It is Martin Allan. I knew him well. And all the ppl in this documentary. As the ppl at the very start are my grandad and 2 aunt's and my uncle. This brings back so many good memories of those times. I joined the band just after this was made.
@@f.b508 I thought you were in this documentary Frankie? Must've gotten you mixed up with someone else.
GBTP
Yes eammon sadly Jim passed away wee Joe is still going strong
WEE JOE IS ALWAYS IN THE TALL CRANES PUB. HE WAS MA DAS PAL. UNTIL MA DA TUCKER BOYLE DIED IN 2009. MOST OF MY FAMILY ARE IN THIS. MA WEE GRANDA SAPPER. MY UNCLE DANNY BOYLE AND MY AUNTIE ANN MARIE BOYLE. AS SE WAS KNOWN THEN.
10:40 a proddie not full of hate ❤
I think I knew Joe's boy, wee swingo RIP?
" hunner percent no true" lol
james connollys a hibee,,first to wear the green
But the band is nothing to do with Celtic or Hibs. It's about Irish Republicanism. Maybe you don't know about the guys from Edinburgh who thought the same and tried to start their own James Connolly RFB? That was nipped in the bud very quickly, lol.
This could really use subtitles. Accents are quite thick.
I’ll look into adding them that’s a great suggestion
@Do I Know You
I'm at an advantage, being a Glaswegian, however the accents in most of this video are far from thick.
The old guy at the start had a strong accent, but he pretty much stood out.
I hate hearing some Glaswegians being interviewed in the street (Vox Pop) - it's as if they want to sound thick, but the people in this video were anything but.
Having said that, I don't know where you're from, so maybe it's just too different.
Take care ✌️
Not as thick as you pal.
@@ianmacfarlane1241 I used to speak to you on the Deadbug channel (have a different username now though). I was in this band and from that area, both of which are still going strong.
I hope you're well and have a great Christmas.
@@raoulduke344 You were in that band? That's fantastic - delighted to hear that they're still going strong, and that you're keeping well.
I stopped commenting on Deadbug's videos a long time ago after a bit of bother between me and a few others - I was tired of all the shite, and it wasn't going to get resolved, so I thought, "fuck it - I'm better off keeping out of this."
It was a pity - I was a very early subscriber, and I got on great with DB, but didn't need the aggro.
Anyway, I hope that you and your loved ones have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year - Best Wishes for 2022🍀✌️
Being a second generation Scot of a non-Catholic or any religion. Looking in at 50 from a privileged educated English private school education paid for by Shotts parents who left to go to England and educate their three children in the 60s when my father was a mere joiner back then, and worked in Nigeria to pay for our education....STOP BLEETIN! KEN?!
No-one is bleetin'; no-one is self-pitying (and no-one here says "ken"). People in other parts of Scotland couldn't really imagine what growing up in Glasgow schemes were like (only maybe coming close when heroin seeped into the country in the mid-80s, onwards). The closest teuchtars got to seeing life like that for themselves were the ones that became police, enforcing English laws.
Glasgow was a lot different than any other part of Scotland or even in Britain. The poverty in the city, the gangs and the sheer amount of violence was unrivalled. Belfast and Derry were more familiar to us than Aberdeen was. We used the same slang as people from Ireland - like calling a child a "wean" instead of a "bairn" more than people from even Paisley and other satellite towns.
Govan wisnae awe Tim's remember that ya bams 🙄 belongs Tae ye FFS
Shut up
Govan is full of Irish and has been for the last 100+ years. The Govan Orange Halls aren't even in Govan, ffs. There isn't even a Rangers pub in Govan, so behave yourself.
Can always tell when someone is faking being from Govan when they talk about drinking in Rangers pubs.
Kinning Park and Cessnock are not Govan. Different Post Code: Teucharhill, Wine Alley, Crossy, Govan - the vast majority of the people were Irish descended and if they weren't Catholics, most still followed Celtic.
@@raoulduke344full of plastic paddy’s ya clown , govan Protestant Boys fb , pride of govan flute band still march the streets of govan to this day and all you have is the tall cranes pub , the last wee hell hole of republicanism 🤫
Im a govan boy. Loyalist. Dont listen to propaganda
Very interesting look at life in Glasgow
See if they didn't like life in Britain, they should have moved back to there beloved Ireland.
GSTQ🇬🇧
You could say the same about the Orange Bands. Half of them couldn't spell Ulster. If they love it that much - live there.
@@denoneil1134 The Orange walk is a British culture, not just about Ulster.
You just have to witness the turn out in Edinburgh for the Scottish referendum
@@denoneil1134 When I said if they didn't like life in Britain, I was talking about wages and way of life in the GB. If immigrants don't like there new country, leave
By your logic you shouldn't speak English, then, since you obviously don't know proper grammar and syntax. If you don't like the way a language is used then don't use it. Don't dare be critical of it.
See the problem there?
Boring music
Working class don't make me laugh, they're nothing but underclass. Always the victims.
so your brave protestant men didnt work in the shipyards? read your history books you fkn idiot, if ye can read
Prince andy put the BUCK into Buckingham Palace eh old chap? Lol
***** Can't say I'm too comfortable with these allegations, innocent until proven otherwise eh old chap.
On the plus side, at least she was a 17 yr old female and not some young lad from your bhoys club, ooops that's Jim Torbett's department eh old chap.
oh so we aint gonna talk about kincora then?? oh no lets just cover that one up, not to mention the lords etc etc hahaha paedos are paedos proddy , catholic, jews whatever, a paedo is a paedo, you pricks only started all that shit because you took the huff after being banned from singing your sectarian shite at mordor lol
***** Kincora - despicable and I agree covered up to the hilt, and hopefully one day justice will be served on behalf of those abused.
And you're correct again a paedo is a paedo regardless of what his political or religious beliefs are. Now will you condemn those bheasts who not only abused, but those who covered up abuse within Celtic Pk, you know he ones I'm referring too ?
Mordor , sectarian shite haven't clue what you're talking about lad.
Nauseating.
For who? The English or their pals at the orange lodge?
Chemical warfare 🙄🎸 toxic
Right before the drugs hit the schemes,wasted young lives,great doc UTR 🇮🇪💚🤍💛
Didn’t mention the best band the billy Reid / parkhead rfb stil on the road 🇮🇪