How MODOK broke the Marvel 3 meta.
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- Today we're doing a look back on one of the most underrated characters in the Marvel vs Capcom fighting game series, its MODOK!
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0:00 intro
1:16 why does no one play MODOK?
3:34 what makes MODOK strong?
6:08 MODOK's unique "understanding" mechanic
9:47 unblockable tactics
11:14 ft5 matches - Hry
Give Modok a trenchcoat and I would bet he'd be picked more.
Good idea for a mod
He'll be S tier
Give him Shades
guys gambit IS in the game!! *trenchcoat modok*
@@palmshoes "gambit is just 3 modoks in a trenchcoat"
He’s really damn weird, but that’s why he’s cool. A fairly interesting zoner.
As for other interesting characters in this game, I personally think Tron is a bit underrated in this game.
Tron got nerfed in Ultimate she was pretty good in vanilla specially her flame assist it was busted but outside of her assist In never understood her nerfs when there characters clearly better than her
@@Gummyfresh They did her dirty because of her pick rate for sure. All they had to do was tone down her assist and remove her beacon infinite.
@@Janitor215 Yeah I agree 100% but her pick rate was mostly because of her broken assist pretty much like Psylocke in MVC2 where she was a decent character but people picked her mostly for her assist
No one likes Modok.
@@philithegamer8265 I don't like MODOK... I LOVE MODOK!
Modok may not be popular, but his trolling theme is top tier.
No one likes Modok
@@philithegamer8265 not even mothman?
Everyone's reaction playing against MODOK. 09:24
I’m one of the WORST fighting game players out there, but this man’s content draws me in time and time again. I learn a lot from watching.
Right. The fighting game community rocks for producing this type of content. Would have loved shit like this as a little kid.
I hope this marks the return of MAHVEL content. Could not get enough back when it was the main focus.
Tampa Never Sleeps, baby.
Look ups Rise of Rookies! Marvel discord for new players
No one likes Modok
Honestly I've been seeing a resurgence in it lately
Modok has the coolest looking combos in the game.
dante*
Modok has the coolest looking Dante for sure
Outside of Dante, MODOK and Shuma I feel they got the sauce with the combos ngl
17 analyse cube combos is same energy as doom air combos that go medium medium medium into medium medium etc.
It’s like a cheat code input doing them too
Umvc3 wise: can you make a video like this one about X-23 & Taskmaster? There where not much pro players maining them, but I think that they looked and played really cool!
Task was a VERY popular pick at the beginning of Ultimate. His popularity really fell off after a short while
Ironically, i think both mercs (Deadpool and him) while do have good zoning tools, the fact is that to get to pressure the Top 10 characters in the game, they really struggle to do so. I think the only favorable matchup is Doom, but even then, another zoner character does better than both (Hawkeye), and can fare better against the T10. Doesn't favor them the low damage output they have. At least Task can do setups for double super compared to Deadpool, but that's about it.
As of X-23, i do feel that while she does have some good tools and she's quite fast, it's the same deal with the mercs. She does have a setup ala Firebrand (unblocklable Lvl 3 in incoming assisted by Jam Session or any assist of that sort, like S. Skrull's Tenderizer or Tony's Repulsor Blast), but to get to that sweep strat, you have to kill/snap the point character (only in the corner), so that X-23 can do her stuff. It's also the fact that her learning curve is pretty high, for the low damage she dishes out, while the other T10 just do a lot of damage, and/or offer better assist than her. Funny enough, Wolverine is a better rushdown character over her, and he not only moves way faster, if played with assist properly, he can easily sweep your team if you allow them upclose. Same can be said for Nova, Spencer and Magneto. Won't even mention the trenchcoat guy and the Maverick hunter. X-23 you don't have to expect crazy movement bar on the ground. She has the DP and the directional dives, but they are very reactable, contrary to Nova's unfly L mixup, Magneto's shenanis, Wolverine's Berserker Slash, or that Spencer not only you have to fear his crossups, but also overhead that combos, command grab. C.Viper is also a better rushdown character with some zoning tools, but she's not picked as often because of that learning curve, but she's pretty amazing.
That being said, I have seen an X-23 appear here and there in TNS tourneys, same for Task, but they aren't popular picks that's for sure.
As an X-23 I can tell you that the character is very highly slept on. Not exactly a secret top tier but definitely better than the community thinks; at least in my opinion.
Dapvip is the X-23 specialist. Can't recall the guy who uses Taskmaster these days, though.
FChamp had Dapvip on his channel at some point in the past to showcase what he can do with X-23, Ironman, and Dante.
@@FGenthusiast0052 Spot on, bro! 👍
truly love hearing from character specialists! maybe skeletal minion the +R ABA player?
I know you don't really play SFV, but in terms of character specialists I'm super fascinated with MDZ Jimmy, the only remaining Ryu main it feels like. In the current SFL Europe season it's apparent that Ryu, THE poster child of the entire franchise, has now become an incredibly niche pick, sometimes even leading to match-up knowledge discrepancies, and Jimmy really makes the most of that.
I STAND ON THIS RECOMMENDATION !!!!!
It's because Capcom janked up his kit and killed his links for most of SF5 so he had no real offense. Ryu was already the most defensive shoto but even when he got the hit he couldn't take advantage of it hardly at all.
I agree with this so much. Would love to see MDZ Jimmy x JM Crofts
Sakura>>>>>>
Interviewer fail, didn't even ask him if he watch the MODOK cartoon on Hulu 😂
This was a great showcase. Hope to see more!
Bro this is such a great content! Really interesting and compelling idea to hear from character specialist! Hope to see more of this
I think a lot of people forget that MODOK has some really bad matchups especially against characters that don’t have to engage him or shit him out with superior keep away or excellent teleport. He’s also a huge target. Going against Morrigan, Trish, Wesker, Vergil, Dante, Zero, Doctor Strange, Phoenix (normal and dark), and Doctor Doom are bad for you as these characters gave better buttons, don’t really need to engage him, take advantage of his huge hitbox, can air dash or fly, and kill him relatively easily. This is more of why people avoid him: his bad matchups are frustrating and are mostly top tier characters
Also, no one likes Modok as a character.
@@philithegamer8265 Not true. I like MODOK more as a character than I do 90% of the Marvel roster in this game.
I think this is why he is actually slightly better in second position. You can run a point character that handles his really bad match-ups better, he gets to provide a strong assist, TAC and DHC damage options, and no one really wants to snap him since he is far from helpless on incoming. Magneto/MODOK then Doom Missiles or Dante Jam in anchor slot to me seems like the best on paper options to run with a MODOK centric team. Magneto in particular seems like the best point to run because he confirms off just about every hit, provides MODOK an amazing beam assist after DHC, handles just about every match-up, and preserves both bounces while setting up for DHC into combo extensions perfectly for MODOK. I could also see Morrigan/MODOK/Doom being a really annoying zoning/screen flood composition to deal with.
@@markrobertson1116 No one likes Modok. He has no fanbase. Why do you like him?
@xenocide1307 What's with your Profile Picture? Smash isn't a fighting game...
I loved using him because of the wackiness. My team was Modok, Thor and Strange and the synergy was absurd. Too bad my execution was and still is awful, cause he and strange took way too much effort for me to actually use them right.
No one likes Modok
@@philithegamer8265 no u
Two more great Modok players is Priest who always places high. He plays Magneto, Modok and Doom. Next is Rubek who is fun to watch. Rubek team is Skrull/Spencer/Modok.
Frutsy from Mexico
Rubeks set the blueprint for all of them.
These breakdown of not often played characters is awesome. I can’t wait for the next one!!
Thank you for keeping UMVC3 alive ☺️ So happy to still be watching new content after so long
Great video man! I always loved MODOK but didn’t realize how top tier he is on paper. I thought people didn’t play him because his movement - he’s basically in flight mode all the time
You're the only person on the planet who likes Mordok. No one likes Modok.
@@philithegamer8265 alright, we get it.
Mothman seems like a really cool dude, and this was a really fun video.
Modok is kinda top tier but the execution is such a barrier. Whereas Virgil can be played with a derpy toddler and still win
No. Modok's not that good in this game. Top tier characters don't fear him.
I. HEART. JUSTICE. Been loving the CZcams content lately crofts!
Looks like a great single player experience!
The thing I learned fro. This video is that we need a MODOK trenchcoat mod immedietely. Then people will start playing him more.
You're a Yugioh fan?
Modok was one of the first characters I mained but I couldnt get used to doing his combos. The fact that jumping with him makes him fly was really throwing me off
Also, remember running into Rubiks a few times off and on in with his Modok at locals. Thats when I knew Modok was starting to gain some momentum in the scene
No one likes Modok
@@philithegamer8265 cap..literally has a show
@mornintengu7736 I'm aware of that. Said show had virtually no viewership and was immediately forgotten about. So where's this supposed fanbase of Modok now?
@@philithegamer8265 So a particular show doesn't have viewers means the character Modok doesn't have a fan base? Got it...
League of Legends developers run a blog where they talk design philosophy, and they had a HUGE visual update to several characters. They talked about the "power fantasy" of looking really good and doing powerful things, and ugly characters don't help fulfill that fantasy, so they changed the visuals on several underplayed/gross characters (Trundle, Urgot, etc). MODOK fits that "wtf gross" visual aesthetic that seems to be a huge turnoff to people. Sucks to be them, they're leaving valuable tools on the table if their main goal is to win.
Except Modok isn't even that competitive in this game. None of the top tier characters fear him so it's not as if putting effort into Mordok is going to make him viable.
Umm... link to that blog please...
Love all your vids. I can’t believe how fast you make them 🎉
really like how you let the guest speak uninterrupted not a lot of sources for info out there like this
LOVE THIS VIDEO! Keep em coming JM
This is awesome! I love the concept of learning about a character from a top player in training mode like that. Plus make this a recurring thing!!!
Awesome - Mothman’s MODOK is SO good! Great video! 🤜🏻🤛🏻
Modok is really good at running away from people when they activate x-factor to... and he can block while flying
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You could do a video covering all of the shotokan archetypes in marvel 3 and how they differ like Ryu,Taskmaster, Deadpool, Captain America and Akuma. You could point out things like akuma being able to ground bounce and OTG yet having less health than a cap or tasky.
deadpool, taskmaster and cap are definitely not shotos.
@MaryuuRekkou Cap is basically a shoto wdym? Shield Slash = fireball, Stars and Stripes = DP, Charging Star = Tatsu
Deadpool is more of a run and gun zoner
@@Lem1111 no c.mk no shoto i will die on this hill
@@caesar1512 the way how i play deadpool you would swear that he was a rushdown char but i have heard him described as an obnoxious keepaway character. there are other characters that fit the shoto archetype way better than captain america and task masker though. deadpool is definitely not a shoto
Big fan of these character player interviews/play tests
Character like this that just fly to the top of the screen and zone you out are so funny. Like I know that's not the reason why characters like this and pet shop are OP but it's such a display of power lol
Fr bodies entire character game plan and mechanics bro waited out like 50% of the X factor.😂
Excellent video idea, more of this would be awesome
This video is tops yo , I'm glad you did this best video I seen about this really fun
I played Modok a bit- had fun with those analyze cube loops. But I DEFINITELY never made him look so mobile. Yeeeeesh.
Really nice of jm to throw to make his guest feel good.
it would be sick if you did this video format with beerus from dragon ball fighterz and talked about his rise from bottom 1 in the game to a solid high/low top tier contender. Not sure who to invite on to talk about beerus but theres a good amount of high level beerus players so im sure you could find one
Them saying just they like wacky characters hits hard with me 😂. I always main the weird character in fighting games 😂🖤🖤🖤
Hey, would be cool if you did a full vid on X 23. Was she really that bad or did people just never explore her fully. The only things i ever see with her are gimicky set ups with dirt nap but she seems outshined by pretty much every other rush down character.
I love him so much. I've caught so many people with killer illumination
Your Uncle Iroh PFP is highly suggestive.
Exactly why I picked him up! keep up the great work jmcrofts I love your videos also lemme know if you need a spiderman player to be a part of this series👀
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You got my vote Poison!
I didn't even know about the jamming bomb. Pretty cool stuff
I'd love a Dan SFV video where you try to go ham with his normal cancels. Moruto Dan saikyo style!
Loved playing modok.
Jason in MKX has a move with a similar effect as the Jamming Bomb
No one cares Modok though...
the vibe in this video is pretty great
Been a while since I've seen a jmcrofts video, and this mvc revisitation was an excellent video. Mothman seems like a cool dude and I definitely want to see him in action in tournament. Thanks for the vid jm!
Man, at 9:14 I got excited thinking that you were gonna show us that you can do MODOK’s TAC infinite… 😢
ive been starving for mvc3 content, so this is basically an early birthday gift for me!
Wow, all these years I play Marvel and never knew about jamming box! That move is wild!!!!
My favvorrriteee character, beautiful combos and fun inputs
This was such a fun video
A little diservice to the history of UMVC3 with MODOK is not mentioning Frutsy who made top 8 twice in EVO with that character when the game was very relevant.
Not dissing on MOTHMAN or anything, i see him topping in frosty faustings but a little more research was needed, and its possible that neither of you knew who Frutsy was, or played the game back in 2012, but still, he is worth at least a shoutout.
Love your content JM! You have the best content ideas.... Get Mike Z on and talk about his MVC2 team!
I miss Mike z too
Damn dude. That was some god-like pressure lol.
I'm kind of curious what kind of counters he has? Once i see someone go off like that I really want to know what gives them trouble. Lol beauty of high level fighting gameplay is you don't see the weaknesses unless you know what to look for
yeeeees interview fullschedule i love that Amaterasu
This game is over a decade old
Were still learning new tech
Long live umvc3
Love it. My team is pretty close to his. MODOK, Doom, Hawkeye. I use MODOK and Doom because same reasons he does and Hawkeye is my anchor because he's probably my best character personally. My other team is Taskmaster, Sentinel, Hawkeye. Mainly because I just love Taskmaster as a character, not because I'm very good at playing him.
Cool video concept.
I still remember when Marvel 3 was revealing characters, and they nail it that the #1 reason people avoided him was absolutely because he was ugly and because the characters wasn't as well known by non-comic fans at the time as some of the other Marvel characters in the game. So the combination led to this entirely ridiculous but nevertheless popular idea that he was an obscure character that the developers only included to troll the fanbase, and the jumped-up outrage over this perceived insult stuck with the character for the entirety of the game's run.
Yadda yadda "they're making fun of us for wanting Gambit / Venom / insert other fan favorite by throwing in this gremlin" fan conspiracy stuff. The clapback that he's actually a classic and fairly prominent Marvel character who just hadn't been adapted much largely got ignored. So people didn't like him because they genuinely thought he was a joke inclusion, just because he was ugly.
That's also where the early perception that he was bad came from, from what I recall - people really did believe that Capcom malevolently threw this character into the game and intentionally made him bad to mock the fans, no matter how little sense it made, with some genuine shock from fan communities when people started playing him and he turned out to be good.
This very interesting great guest
Man Id like to get good at this game but im getting destroyed online and I cant find good guides and tutorials on youtube :/.
I really like those vids with pro talking about their char I hope he does more ^^
Im biased but I adore Frank in this game, would love to see a video on him
What a great single player experience
I don't play mvc but that jamming bomb sounds like the most absurd thing ever
Why do you have Charlie Brown as your PFP?
Would be cool to hear Smug talk about SF4 Dudley. Especially now that he has 3rd Strike experience.
Im trying to figure out who thought Modok was bad. Mans kit was solid from rip. Jmcrofts out here doing the goat work as far as fighters are concerned
I'm late but I love Mothman's whip in KoF XV weekly's inspired me to pick up the character myself
Hey trying to learn modok right now and there’s a part of the combo starting at 11:35 of the video. After modok lands the psionic blast in the air how do you connect special afterward. There seems to be too much delay trying to go right into it. If anyone knows the answer it would be a big help
i think a video like this with lythero using phoenix wright would be awesome
What's the name of the mod that shows you the damage in the mid combo?? :00
I wasn't ready for the post super Dante jumpscare
Lol this is a good example of not only high tier characters vs low tier characters, but high tier player vs low tier player. Once there is a big enough skill gap it becomes a single player game.
I could watch that all day
When modok gets punched hard does he get a stomach ache or headache? And you should try to talk to Pzpoy the best hsien ko as of now
So many characters fly under the radar. If you're following Marvel, you should look at Salutexo Shuma Gorath. Best Shuma in umvc3
Week 1 of Mvc3 (not ultimate) i created a Jamming bomb Bnb with Modok, I figured this was the most broken thing i've ever seen in a fighting game, sadly people never really exploited JB as much as I think it should have been.
MODOK can mostly kill off any hit with the right assists. Maybe that has some part in it? But I agree, jamming peeps is super fun, ha
I remember the first time I saw one of his bigger combos.
"Analyze CUBE! Analyze CUBE! Analyze CUBE! Analyze! Analyze! Analyze! Analyze! Analyze! K_LL You!"
Man did so much study knows everything about you now. Name, phone number, where you shop, what your having for dinner tonight, where you parked, what number you are thinking about.
Him and Tager would love one another with all the "POWER OF SCIENCE"" going on.
"A character that flies under the radar", it's funny because MODOK is always flying.
Thor from Avengers EMH said it best "Tis like a Frost Giant's head on an infants body!"
You should do more with Venith aka apologyman or Iheart justice. Or one with marlin pie talking about Dr. Doom combos
I wish Capcom would make another Modoc type character for street fighter since we will probably never get another mvc game I also would like to get another tag based game they really do a great job with their tag team games . I kind of wish Capcom would do what neather-realm does and have another game they could rotate out every couple of years. Like mk and injustice. I think Capcom fighting games is so awesome. I just wish we could see either a new game or maybe one of their older titles come back into play . I kind would like to see Capcom make more than one fighting game every couple of years and if they didn't want to make a big budget triple A game they could do some of their older smaller titles in-between new street fighter games. Man, I miss that from them. They used to make tons of fighting games and I understand why they stopped but I really think they could do some smaller titles or another big budget triple A game they could rotate with street fighter every couple of years.
"I had pizza in my eye" is one of the funniest things I've heard in a while. Gonna start using that as an excuse 🤣
How about trying to get Elyon, a top level Jubei player from blazblue central fiction. He took an arguably low-mid tier and got many top 8s and higher with him.
Bring Zenpool, Weeberman, or maybe even LivinLegend onto your channel, though. Or, one of the greatest character specialists ever, Sacktap. Please!!! Irongod is another. I'm sure I could probably come up with some more, but these are the ones I want to see. Weeberman especially. His Ironfist is insane. SpartanThrone as well!
Love to see UMVC3 content! Someone that'd be cool to get on the show would be iheartjustice for his Phoenix Wright.
Pheonix Wright is the best fictional character of all-time.
This is exactly how my first mvc3 sets went
Damn i thought there was some development in the mvc3 scene that i was unaware of
id love to see a video on apologymansr fire brand or scambys chris or nemesis or wesker
There was a dude that main shuma gorath he played a lot on the tns streams a while ago I know he had rocket on his team as well
Someone I would like to see you interview would be Gunfight who plays SFV mostly. He’s an Alex main and is the top Alex player for Street fighter
This is great. If you're down for some SFV, doing an Oro showcase with Brian F or Broski would be awesome
Cool Drake PFP
@@philithegamer8265 What Drake PFP?
Super Skrull with apology man would be fun to watch
Mothman making Modok look like a boss character.
KBR! I love big body characters and he's surgical with them
Is the damage number next to the hit counter a mod or has it been that long since I played this game that I don't remember it being there?
Definitely a mod. A crazy amount of mods have come out for characters and some are cookin up mods for enhancement of core game play but this visual mod is tight.
Lytheros team with viewtiful Joe and Phoenix Wright would be awesome to see you go against!