How did I fit 10 inch tires on Xiaomi M365?
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- čas přidán 22. 10. 2019
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I got too many flat tires on my Xiaomi M365 recently and decided to try and fit the 10-inch ones.
I purchased the tires on AliExpress, but the seller is "no longer available"... I think you can easily find similar ones.
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How long did Ali express take to deliver the tire
@@NYCLOCAL96 I can't remember now... it normally takes ~1-1.5 months...
I always learn from other's fault, so i'm happy to see how its made. Keep up the good job. thank you. :)
That is a smart approach man :) thanks!
Kudos for showing your mistakes and not cutting them out. It serves as a great reminder to us.
Awesome tutorial with workarounds for common challenges.
Mistake of putting the tire backwards I did in the past, and it was with stock tires. 💀
Hi mate, thanks for this comment, very kind of you. I am trying to keep my channel at least a bit "realistic" as all social media these days is somehow "not real enough" :)
Wow i like the maneuver at the end when you gently lift up the scooter to pass the boardwalk..
Hi mate, this is an essential one for city riding :) A bit rougher version is to jump on/off when you don't want to slow down :)
Happy to see I'm not the only owner who has had to redo because tyre direction was wrong.. 😁 👌
Chris D Osborne 😂 that is such a pain to redo it! From “yahooo!” To “oh shit” in 1 sec :D
I love your content its very authentic and informative thank you 😘
Mitch Calangi thank you so much, very kind of you! I am very happy when someone likes my content :)
@@VRMinde well its true and you deserve It the way you explain and demonstrate your content is clear and direct not Like some youtubers...
i find you funny and cool too specially when you make some minor mistakes ☺️
The only honest video out there, thanks.
Thanks bro, I always try to share my honest opinion :)
Great content, Cheers from England
Thank you very much! Stay safe out there!
Great video, informative and funny, keep it up dude
Kazik Furmanczyk thanks mate, happy you liked it! :)
@@VRMinde I just ordered a 10" kit thanks to your video
Kazik Furmanczyk Nice, hopefuly you get them soon :) I have also ordered another set for my black scooter.
As a mountain biker who watched bikes go from 26" to 29", I opted for a 10" wheeled scooter.
Larger wheels go over terrain easier. It just does not get hung up on things and this is noticeable on bikes with much larger wheels so any increase to the relatively tiny wheels of a scooter is a no brainer.
You will go over rough patches and even light off road much easier as well as increased stability plus increased contact patch giving better traction.
Negatives would be increased weight, not really a big deal on a scooter, and slower acceleration.
I ride 29ers myself, but I like the 8.5" on stock xiaomi more :) I will soon get some speed+power upgrade, then 10" might be better.
From Panama! Awesome mod mate!
Team A Panama!? :O omg that’s far away mate! :)
Thanks for the video... this is very informative.
Hello, glad you found it useful mate! :) thanks for the comment
just a little update on the solid rear Tyre its so bumpy the vibration has damaged the bearings it still hear it tho, i suggest just fillig it with the silicone.its way metter comfort wise.
Great innovation.... Great job....Xioami m365 /Pro are so popular here in the Philippines 🇵🇭....
dante paule I would rathet call it a quick fix than an innovation :) cheers mate
their popular everywhere because theyre cheap , cheaper then some shity bike
Oh wow... I knew wasn't easy to change the tyre but here it looks super complicated! So a complete no-no for a change somewhere in the field...
tire change? on the field? :) nooo mate. I would rather carry my scooter for 10km walking :D (I would most probably drive on an empty tire, and later buy a new one, as these stock ones are terrible anyways)
mil gracias! la parte donde explicas cómo evitar que el cable de los frenos roce con la llanta trasera me sirvió muchísimo!
Glad it helped mate!
You can actually change the tire size with custom firmware. Because the scooter expects the wheels to be smaller than they actually are, they scooter goes faster than the speed it shows on the display :)
Hey, VR. How wide are the M365 motors? I'm interested in using one in another scooter, but I can't find any measurements for how wide the motor is to see if it will fit in the forks.
Very nice tips bro. Thanks
TITO WAPS you are welcome and thanks for the comment!
@@VRMinde can you do a reviews of installing the front shock absurber?
TITO WAPS hmmm 🙄 As I saw them - the cheap was a crap, and the expensive was... expensive :D I will take a look again, thanks for the idea!
Its faster because the wheel diameter is now bigger, but it also accelerates slower for the same reason.
The increased speed Definitely outweighs the barely noticeable accel reduction.
Real life :-)
I know this is old but... The 10" tyre has 18% more diameter than a 8.5" tyre, so at the same rpm it will be 18% faster but will have 18% less torque, so at 26 kph on display will actually be 31 kph
You should flash custom firmware to adjust for the increased diameter
nice 1 bro enjoyed this maybe in a year il try to mod my scooter but only just got it so im in that keep it clean stage lol
Charlie Shakur 8.5 inch wheels are not bad. Enjoy the ride and thanks for your support! :)
@@VRMinde no worries mate its a great bit of kit for the price i enjoy going shops on it worried about the gap and the wheels going thoe
Looking good 😍❤️
Cheers mate :)
What size tubes did you install for this? I tried reinforced 8.5 x 2, and 10 x 2 on the front wheel, and they both bulge(swell) abnormally at the valve end causing a "lump", that makes the handlebars shake a lot while riding. No issues with the back wheel.
The tubes came with the tire, I do not even know the size mate...
Wow. Your videos are perfect. Right duration, funny (wrong side mounting, wrong direction) and as well informative. My head said in 'Spongebob' tone, "a few moments later".... 😂😁
I have Mi Pro 2 in my shopping cart, but still short on money. 😒
Well, I enjoy making vids :) I am really happy to hear you liked it!
Mi Pro 2? I guess I need to refresh my knowledge about what's new in scooter market :) Just looked it up, looks like a "facelift" for the pro 1 :)
Buy it over Ebay. I have got mines from it.
ur vids are awesome, ive beeb watching like crazy. but can u go from a 10 in to an 8.5. are the hubs the same. im running a hover 1 alpha with 10 in wheels. all i can find is 8.5 hard wheels.
Robert rich thanks man. In theory you can :) I have installed the 10” tires on the same rim where the 8.5 was installed.
Beware that hard rubber wheels are VERY hard to mount :)
hi mate, what did you do for the front tyre? Does it rub against the front mudguard? We can only find spacers for the rear mudguard but not for the front one.
Ord Guy it was slightly touching one corner of the front fender as it was not straight. I heated it a bit and straightened. It is very close but does not rub. Rissians at www.dochello.ru/english?filter=2 used to have spacers. I did not use any
Great job 👍
Thanks man, appreciate the comment!
Thanks for the video 👍
wlacalle Glad you enjoyed it, thank you!
You didnt touch in the video, how does raising the rear fender affect the line up for folding the handlebar and carring it by that?
Good point. It still works :)
Hey Mike nice video. Are you considering trying the MonorimsV2?
Im considering removing my solid tires and put these 10 inch... Im just concerned with punctures, I live in Brussels, and I had to fix punctures many times but the scooter rattles so much and I feel all the impact on my knees with the solid tires.
Gill Lima hi, thanks! I only had one puncture since mounting the 10” tires 🙄 I do not know if I was just lucky or they are somehow better.
Unless someone would like to send me the suspension for review - I doubt I will mount it. The roads are smooth here and with inflatable tires I feel comfy enough riding the scooter 🙄 I am hesitant on spending extra 100eur :)
@@VRMinde It is quite a commitment... I'm considering but you are right, its very steep price for a scooter suspension. I've got my M365 for 350EUR on sale back in 2017. If I do the 10' tires + front suspension and the KONYK read suspension I think the upgrades alone will get close to the original price, maybe buying a new one.
If I end up going ahead I'll post a video for you to check ups :)
Thank man, love your channel.
Gill Lima exactly mate. And then you will want a bit more speed, and Rita with 12s battery will be another 250 eur. You will get close to 1k eur 🙄
Maybe it is wise to sell the m365 and get another 1000 eur scooter with original suspension, larger battery, more speed and etc. m365 is a great cheap scoot, but there are better scooters out there, if you wanna spend more $
It it is limited to a certain speed, then larger diameter tires will let you go faster if you don't correct the tire size in your controller. You will probably get less accelleration though.
True, if it is limited by firmware/ecu. In my case it was only limited by what the stock battery could deliver :) at the end my top speed is the same, acceleration a bit slower.
Your wheel is bigger but spins the same so it is a bit faster
But less torque
Tory Boy yes but faster speed :) thats what counts topspeed ;) not torque :) lol
larger wheel diameter = more ground covered each revolution. 👍🏼
Did you purchase 10” inner tubes or still the 8.5” inner tubes? As there’s no clear instructions on this
@@SumeragiMinami spot on
6:12 hello i have been facing problems removing the fender screws because i think I used the wrong bit do you know the size and name of the bit you used thanks .
Hi, I can’t remember now mate. And I have replaced them with other bolts. I could check on my other scooter when I will find some time. But I cant promise to do it today
VRMinde no problem mate thanks for the reply tho
Haha I remember putting on my rear MTB tire the wrong direction tubeless, was not a happy camper lol.
hate tubeless for all the mess :D
the best tutorial i have seen so far
Thank you mate! It is an old video now. There is a great update on how to easily mount/dismount the stock tires here: czcams.com/video/erkiIxc2XfE/video.html
im never getting 8.5 again, they are crap, 3 flats in 4 months of owning a pro 2
I got a 10x2.125 a few days ago and i found out it doesnt fit the hard way to ill have to replace it with a 10x2 (i think thats what you were using).
Keep up the good work tho!
@@Cloverboi There are much better aftermarket 8.5s than the stock crap that comes on the scooter...
@@VRMinde yeah i know, but im looking for every little drop of speed i can squeeze out of this thing without getting external batteries so im willing to do 10 inch for that easier change and 3 to 6kph speed boost
@@Cloverboi I understand :) Scooter racing is hard :D
Hi mate, thanks for this video.
Your video was the reason why i did not change to 10" tires.
But i have heard that there are some differences on the 10" tires. Some of them don't last 300 km.
The wanda p1069 -02 should be fine. I have no idea. Maybe i will try them.
And do you think it is possible to get the screw under the front fender in a baumarkt?
cihanlost no problem mate. I am not the biggest fan of the 10” today 🙄 was going today against the strong wind and I think the scooter with 8.5” would do a better job in terms of speed 🙄
I am not sure about the bolt. I did not need to replace it as it did not ever touch the tire. But I think you can find something like this in a department store 🙄
What tube do you use for this tires? The original one 8,5 inch? Or you bought also new tubes?
Youssef 20016 there were tubes that came with the 10” tires
Hi, have you seen the latest offroad tires? Theyre an 8.5, 9 and 10 inches option. You can also buy then tubeless with a valve. Would be nice if you could talk about them.
thanks, have not seen them
Hi I was wondering if after this 10 inch upgrade, do you have to change the settings or firmware?
You can change the wheel size to see correct speed measurement, but it is not necessary
Nice video :)
Thank you!
It feels faster because it is faster! The speed is only governed in the scooter ECU by the RPM of the wheel so although the speed on the display will be the same as wheel RPM is the same, your reel speed will increase as each rotation of the wheel moves you forward further. 8.5 inch to 10 inch is a 17% increase in circumference so also a 17% increase in top speed - worth checking with a GPS though.
In theory - yes, you are right. We have had this discussion here several times now :) the speed is limited by the overall motor power because my ECU firmware is not limiting the max speed. At the end 10” is not driving faster, furthermore - it has slower acceleration if you “unlimit” the scooter on the firmware :)
@@derickrk I completely get it mate, I understand that the speed will be displayed incorrect (unless you make the adjustment in the firmware) and that controller will see it incorrect as well, therefore you will drive faster than the m365 dashboard will show you.
What I am trying to tell you, that both with 8.5” and 10” wheels you will drive (for example) max 30km/h if you measure it on GPS because the scooter is simply not capable of driving faster. On 8.5” tires you will see the dashboard showing 30km/h and on 10” 27.5km/h or so. Take a gps based speed measuring app and give it a try :)
In actual fact scooter with 10” tires is noticeably less capable to accelerate because of the bigger wheel mass that it has to spin (I assume) and I have measured that many times as well, at the end they reach the same max speed.
10” tires work as a “speed hack” only if your scooters’ max speed is limited by firmware to let’s say 25km/h.
So we should extend the forks and fit 14 inch wheels eh? sounds a great idea ! We might get 90mph ???
@@poppamadison9841 go for 29 from mtb :) Then it is also easier to find a suspension fork :D
Minde, kokie tikslus padangos išmatavimai? 10x2" ? Ar 10x2.25"?
Blyn, paziuresiu ryt
Can you just guide when I open my axiomi m365 you know the battery charging light basically its four dots light yeah so my scooter showing only one which is up one not the down one and the tail red light blinking and then near the the accelerator sircuit plug red light and green light blinking please can you tell me if what is the problem
1. Can you connect via xiaomi app to the scooter via bluetooth and see the error code? 2. If you cant connect, count the green light blinks. How many long blinks and how many short? This count will give you error code
Smart; this will be my first mod.
Just be aware that cable with hotmelt might not last too long :)
@@VRMinde hi! thanks for the video! where did u find long plastic for the breaks cable?
zion bouchris Hi, I am not sure I understand what are you asking about :D I have not touched the brake line. And the brake-light cable was only fixed with hotmelt 🙄
It actually is going faster because you put larger wheels on. Each time the wheel spins you travel the distance of the circumference of the wheel and a larger wheel has a longer circumference. If the wheel spins withe same frequency, you cover a longer distance per time, that is to say faster. The increase in speed is directly proportional to the increase in wheel diameter. If you changed from 8.5 to 10 inch wheels, then if the dashboard reads 25km/h then you are actually traveling around 30km/h.
Yes, until you reach some limit potential, and this will be amps that your stock battery pack can give. Otherwise you could add a huge wheels and fly at 300km/h right? :) so, if you remove any speed limits in firmware and add a lot amps - at the end I get to the same max speed with both wheel sizes
I agree, there is an 18% difference so that is 18% higher speed per rpm but a 18% reduction in torque/acceleration
Nice video. How many kms have you done on these tires now? Any flats?
southpaw Thanks mate! I really do not know how many km mate. I did not track it. Most probably not more than 150km. I had one flat almost the next day I have replaced them, but no more flats afterwards :)
how big are those rims? are the also 10 inch or 8.5 ich?
It is the same rim
07:40 that display dial looks cool... how did you do it.. is its sticker , where can i get one
Yeah, mate these are stickers. Just get some from Aliexpress :)
And also, have you tested the speed, does it infact go faster, how is the battery usage compared to the old tires?
It only goes faster if you use the stock firmware, (or roll downhill, or are a very light rider). If I just roll on the flat road without any max speed limiter the final top speed on gps is the same :) And 10” consumes a bit more battery. Ao basically you are loosing acceleration, range and gaining comfort and control on higher speeds, and easier tire replacement when get flat :)
in terms of getting parts for repairs and easy modifications, which would be best; the xiaomi m365 pro or the ninebot max?
Mc Quinoa sorry mate never had a ninebot. And never needed parts for xiaomi :) but there are plenty for xiaomi at least. Maybe someone else knows better
@@VRMinde oh word, thanks man. Im trying to make a choice which one to buy. Would the m365 be comfortable to ride for a 30 minute commute in your opinion?
Mc Quinoa if you can, get an ebike :) 30mins on scooter is quite some time standing still.
But if you can’t, it is doable. I would recommend at least to get the pro version, unless you plan to drive 30mins, then charge it to get back home. 1hr ride full speed, especially in a cold weather “classic” m365 will be dry on juice :)
@@VRMinde ah yea you're right. I was looking into mini ebikes too. But its 200$ more for the jetson bolt compared to xiaomi. Worth it for a seat though!
Mc Quinoa and also check the legislation. Somehow ebikes are more accepted in some countries than scooters :)
As I do not as yet own a scoot, what is puncturing the inner tubes so often ?
John Lightfoot in my case it is mainly sharp rocks after rain.
Also stock tires tend to rub the inner tubes in about 500-1000km they rub through.
@@VRMinde Would it be feasible to line the inside of the tyre with maybe butyl rubber or something. Might give the inner tube more protection.
I think there are aftermarket puncture-resistant tapes. Need to try one :)
What kind of tyre pressure you use with those 10 inch tires?
I generally use the max pressure written on the tire wall. Can't remember the pressure now
What do you think is better for protection, slime or nati puncture tape ?
I have not tried tape. But I would like to. Tape protects from the puncture and slime only deals with consequences (and it does not always work...). You can have both at the same time :)
I tried with Slime and it worked.After I bought the xiaomi I had to fix the tires about 2 times in 250 km, and then after slime now I have like 1050km and I had no issue again 'till now.
+ Add talcum powder between the tire and the chamber to reduce the frictional force between them and keep the pressure of the tires high at 3,5 atm/bar
This man single-handedly inserted a tire with his bare hands
Yeah, 10” is easy :)
10 inch with inner tube*
Solid tire are litteraly impossible to fit without right tools
@@franc2255 bro what? i bouled a tubeless tire for 5 min, then grabbed it wit smal gloves amd in a minute they were on
suspension arrived and new brakes... now i want the 10" tyres... sounds liek its good?
I am not sure mate. It takes away a lot of acceleration. If you have suspension already, I doubt you will get that much difference?
What setting did you have the oven on, and how long did you leave the tire in the oven?
This video is fantastic, thank you!
oh man, I can't remember now. But if I was to do it again - I would use ~80 deg C, I think. There is easier way to mount tires: czcams.com/video/erkiIxc2XfE/video.html
Great production...how did you film this while riding??
Thanks man. This, I think, was filmed with my gopro hero7 on a selfie stick/chest mount. I do have now insta 360one R, that allows for even better shots :)
good job , i have done rear first , clearence in china parts need improvisation .
i like denmark . intellegent gouverment , more than here :)
Thanks mate, have fun riding! :)
Hi would anyone know if some scooters have 2 different size wheels?I bought one 2md hand and it had 10inch on front wheel and 8.5inch on the back!
Never seen that yet :)
has anyone seen 10 "off road tires somewhere?
or at least some that don't are like slicks?
all of the tires I find have too little profile.
I have not.. I think with a suspension like this you might be able to fit 2.5 or even 3 wide maybe... That would expand the options list I guess
One nice Information for you:
If you buy 10 inch tires, you also get 10 inch tubes. If these break, you don't need to order expensive 10 inch tubes in China, the original 8.5 inch tubes also work perfectly with 10 "tires :)
Bergwacht thanks mate, I was thinking they should expand this much :) My old 8.5 ones looked a bit worn from friction though..
@@VRMinde My (NEW) Honeycomb Tyres are after 1 month so done like the original tyres are NOT after a year^^
Bergwacht Thanks for sharing. I would expect them to last much longer!
Hi there. 👋🏼
Question: Which inner tubes did you use for the 10" tyres? What size are they?
Will the original inner tubes (8.5" I believe) work with the 10" tyres?
Thanks man
Ricardo Lopes RLOriginals hey there. The tires from aliexpress came with the inner tubes. I did not measure them. I have read people used the 8.5” ones in the 10” tires but I cannot confirm that with my personal experience 🙄
Could someone help me my Xiaomi pro keeps getting dirty every time I ride it especially in the mud it’s a nightmare to clean it😣I need stickers for the body but I want black ones and can’t find them anywhere online there all the camo or very bright colours, So a link or website to purchase any would be Extremely helpfull it’s Damaging my scooter And the reason I need black is because they are now illegal in london😥😡
but you dont need to change the front mudguard ? Will that be too small?
Mine is stock, just had to heat and bend one side a tiny bit (not visible now)
Hi! Do you still have punctured tyres after switching to 10 inches tyres?
Not really, i get some, but very rarely
Ok. But you are still using the same inner tube for 10 inches right?
@@windchester4 the same? The one that comes with 10” tyres
I mean can I use the tube that we are using for 8 inches for 10 inches tyre?
@@windchester4 you can, but you can also buy a new one, they are cheap :)
If the speed limit is tied to the amount of revolutions the wheels is doing, and you put a bigger circumference, you are in fact going faster....
What if the speed is limited to the amount of energy your battery pack can release and you put a bigger circumference tire?
@@VRMinde it has been artificially limited by software from manufacturers, in fact you are hacking at a hardware level the speed limitation built into the device. There is also the possibility to deal with the software, I have seen videos on that too. But having been using the scooter as it is, I feel the battery is a real limitation particularly on the entry level model I bought, so I won't change the firmware any time soon, as it is, when I go over a slope, the real limitation is the power from the battery... but I have the cheapest model from xiomi.
@@tingotalango5473 I do not consider anyone is riding their m365 with stock firmware :D
If you got the 1s, your battery is a really big limitation. Even if you remove the software limitation you won't see too much difference, nor the 10" tires will help you.
We have tested that with my brothers' 1s
2:58 u could rotate it and take it out :D
It was only half way there yet :D
what is name of the tool you use at 2.17minute?
jim L I am sure it is Ratchet in English. With 18mm head
Is these a chance that a 10 inch tire would rub against my front mudguard if I did this to my Mi 1S?
It depends on the tire.
More often they rub against the bolt that holds the mudguard in place. Replacement if the bolt to a one with a more recessed head helps. I am actually not sure if newer models like 1s are not already with the recessed head bolts 🙄
@@VRMinde ok thanks i probably Will buy 9 inch because it is a little bit bigger and easier to get on the wheel
mine is rubbing too.
Hi! Thanks for the video! I just fitted my 10” tyres and noticed the distance i now get is about 30% less! Maybe due to the additional energy required during initial acceleration caused by increase in circumference of the tyre (I’m not an engineer, so this may be totally illogical)... Did you have a similar experience with increased battery consumption / reduced distances/
I did not really notice a big difference on the range, but definitely reduced acceleration. You are sure your wheels spin freely and there is nothing rubbing? :D
Die you correct the tyre diameter in the firmware? It calculates distance and speed by the rpm of the wheel. With bigger tires you drive faster and further than the stock firmware thinks.
@@Psi-Storm yes, but if you run a custom firmware your overall motor/battery power is the limit, you can’t go any faster with 10s battery, even if you put 100” wheels :)
@@VRMinde There is still a rpm limit in the firmware. You can't get the wheels to spin faster than 34-35 km/h even without resistance. So with 10" wheels you still get 18% faster speed, if the battery could deliver the needed power and the driver is light enough.
@@Psi-Storm yes, but with the stock battery and “unlimited” firmware both 10” and 8.5” wheels actually end up at the same max speed :) I am not saying this because “I think so” I am saying this because I have tried it multiple times on multiple m365 scooters :) and I am getting a bit tired from talking about the same thing 😂
Could you put the sizes for the spacer or a 3d model with the measurements in the description?
I am sure I have replied to this comment, but now I can see there is no reply... just a second mate, Youtue comments system is bad.
www.thingiverse.com/thing:2761646
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Hallo bro,
What'sup. Can I Q ?
Which app Can used For Maps
Please tell me.
Singh Daljeet hi! Do I get the Q right? for maps? For maps on iphone I use google maps or maps.me
For speed measuring I have used Speedometer and Odometer from the android app store.
@@VRMinde thank you!👍
Hey i just got a chance to buy a freego es-08s v1.9 for €299 should i do it or should i save up for the m365 and maybe put a lcd on it later can you Please make a review of the freego since there are only ads and spanish review on CZcams
The Racing Autist Hi mate, it looks like one of the many m365 clones. Let me jist tell you my personal honest opinion: Some of them can be good quality, some might be a total crap.
Can you find spare parts easy for this scooter? If yes - and if the build quality is decent - buy it. It is a bargain. You will get something similar to xiaomi but cheaper.
Now if you can’t find parts, or you are not sure about the quality of this thing - avoid like plague. You will have something failing in several months and you will have to do weird DIY fixes and so on, as the spare parts are not available. Even then check out the Kugoo scooters.. they are cheap, quality is mediocre, but at least you can find spare parts :)
Otherwise - save money, buy xiaomi. They built their brand through delivering decent product quality and solving issues for the customers, issuing firmware updates etc.
I will try to reach out to them and ask to borrow one for a test ride :) I have never ever done this yet.
VRMinde thx for the advice
VRMinde any luck yet today i Made a test ride and tought it was very interesting and i think you Will like it a lot it feels a lot more powerfull then the xiaomi
@@bramvanoevelen I am a bit overburdend at the moment with work, I still have not reached out to them. Good to hear. I think you can power-up the m365 with firmware adjustments a bit ;)
@@bramvanoevelen just sent them an email. let's see if I can find a way to collaborate with them :)
I have 10" x 2.5" tires, do you think I can get away with doing the modification anyway?
Roger Lane good question, but I doubt it :) I saw people struggling to fit some of the tires in front. Mine is pretty close to the fender as well 🙄 you can try replacing the front one and if it fits - it worked, if it doesn’t you will have to go back :)
People use front fork extenders made of metal to fit the front tire for sure, even for 3 wide tires. Like these made in Russia www.dochello.ru/shop/zhelezo/stalnye-prostavki-udliniteli-dlya-10h2-5-i-10h3/
@@VRMinde i have a question 10 x 2.25 will it fit the rear easily .
@@alenkorajacob9463 it should. Might touch the rear light cable/connector so some fixing of the cable might be needed or it might “wear” it through in a couple months
What's the acceration on this now and do you get more top speed and dose it show up on the scooter speedo correctly
Acceleration get’s a bit less, max speed depends on your weight a bit - heavier riders might not even get the difference, lighter riders will have a couple km/h more. Speed will be displayed correctly if you adjust the wheel size in the firmware
@@VRMinde ok cool and what if I can't change it in firmware settings it will then be incorrect reading yeah
I weigh 70kg do you think it is worth me putting these wheels on for the top speed difference
@@Motorizedstuff yup
@@Motorizedstuff it depends if you really need it :)
How many miles will scooter go for and is it 30 mile an hour fast? Thanks.
No mate it is 30km/h fast. And it is around 18mph. Absolute max range is about 18 miles, but at full speed will be more likely like 12
@@VRMinde Thank u and should I buy Xiaomi M365 or which scooter is better on miles & speed?
I do not know mate. There are many new scooters on the market. Consider at least m365 pro it has double the battery and more powerful motor. xiaomi is a time-proven scooter, cheap, reliable, but there are so many choices now that are faster etc... I have not tried any new scoots so hard to say. From what I have seen I would go around kugoo products now 🙄
@@VRMinde Thanks for your great help!
I used to go from battersea power station to Holborn and have half a charge left. I could have got back on that however I would have been at walking pace by time it got to 1-2 bars. Great great little things though so glad I have it.
What's the ideal air pressure for this10" tyres? Thanks
I use what's written on the tire mate
@@VRMinde No wonder you think the 10's are less agile than the 8.5's ...and that they are not noticably faster. Run your 8.5's at 35 psi !!
and note just how shit those are. Use 50 psi Mate !
For comfort, is having 10 inch tires better or having stock tires with installed monorim suspension is better?
Suspension and larger tires work a bit differently: suspension won't affect tiny little vibrations that tires take care off. Tires won't take care of larger cracks/potholes/gravel bumps etc. :) So depends on what do you want to improve... Overall, I would say suspension is less for comfort, more for better control on higher speed impacts
@@VRMinde If I have to choose which one to upgrade first, what will be the best choice? I can't upgrade both yet because of budget lol.
10" tires is not an expensive or complicated upgrade, compared to suspension. You can try and see if you still miss something. I would probably today buy another scooter than install all the suspensions...@@sodiumchloride6431
@@VRMinde Nice! Thanks for the suggestions!
how do you manage to keep your white scooter looking clean?
I clean it! :) it actualy helps :)
Threadlock on aluminum? o_O
The reason it "feels faster" is because it is. The motor-controller doesn't know that you changed wheel size so basically you tricked it in to turning a 10" wheel at the same speed as the smaller 8.5" giving you a increased power output of aprx +16%
Rndm Fella There is a steel plate with thread inside, not alu :) and I figured the speed “mystery” after uploading the vid. :). However, if you run your scoot with already modified firmware and no speed limits set, it might be hard to notice any speed difference ;)
Im running flashed firmware and didnt feel any increase in speed (it was the reason I did it) however I did get a much softer ride and unfortunately, a loss of all that pep that flashing had given me. Any ideas how to negate the loss in quick response?
@@Shawn-yp9icwhich version of firmware did you use as a base? I normally use 1.3.8 it gives me the best riding experience. You can definitely increase your top speed with custom firmware if you change the speed limit. However, your acceleration will decrease due to larger wheels. You can balance it a bit by decreasing "motor constant power". Just don't go too crazy...
@@VRMinde yea, Im using 138 too. My flashed file is by Camil? Julian? He made the m365downg app. I have a good version of his called "firm" and it really hauls ass. What I forgot was I had blown a fuse (F2) in the controller, possibly linked to pulling that kind of performance but it made the motor cut off when I turned the headlight on. Turn light off motor worked. When I change tires I also changed controllers to fix that issue and initially forgot that changing controllers changed my firmware flash. Ive since reflashed the Julian fw and its all good, its back to being fun tocride again and beating every scooter I race. I know theres faster scooters, Dualtrons etc, but here in San Diego Ive never seen one, Limes, Birds, Lyfts, Razors, Jumps, Wheels, etc, none of them can touch me. I'll catch them, drive up, ask "is that it?" They're like, what? Is that full throttle? Yes. C-ya, and drive away.
Shawn Haxton glad you found the issue!
Can I ask what is your motor power constant value? I has mine lowest at 32000, did not blow the fuse :)) If you go like 20000 it will be really fast, but also risky to burn :))
Link for 10" tires you installed or the model please.
The seller does not exist anymore... I ordered a second set from here www.aliexpress.com/item/33001962401.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.22744c4debNvdE
But they have just arrived and I have not even unpacked them. The tube should be better for the front wheel though...
I took the tire changing opportunity to delete the connector for the rear light wires, added an extention to the wires and re-routed the wires to one side instead of the middle (and out of the tire path and rocks, water, etc) up and over some frame support brackets and down into the battery compartment where I installed a more practical connector that lives on the side of the battery. Note: You will need to file a notch in the aluminum to prevent smashing the wires when you re-route this way. Additionally I filled the old rubber gromet and the new notch with silicone to keep it air tight and dry. When I said "I took the opportunity to" I could have said, "after taking the lazy decision many times to procrastinate and put it off, this time I decided to finally reroute the wires and delete that stupid connector."
Shawn Haxton i think it is the right way to go. I just really went down the laziest and easiest way, knowing it won’t last :) Thanks for your inputs. I will pin your last comment for others to learn the right way
Hi Shawn. I'd like to do this. Please could you tell me what wire I should buy for this task? And - with regards to adding this extension, can I just marry up the the two new wires by rolling them between my thumb n finger, and wrapping them in electrical tape? And would I house the new jst connector inside the battery casing?
Thank you for any advice you can give.
Asphalt Ricky unless you make sure your connection is inside the battery compartment of the scooter - electrical tape won’t withstand long use with all the water there. You can open the bottom cover of the battery and make a connection with a new cable there.
Also instead of electrical tape you can use heat-shrink tubes. They cost peanuts in any hardware store.
@@VRMinde Thank you so much for your helpful reply. I've seen the extension wire available online, so I'll do what you suggest 😁😁😁😁😁. And that's a great tip, also, for the heat shrink tube. THANKS AGAIN!
@@2icelollys1goat yes, truthfully connecting wires by twisting works just fine as long as you first twist each seperate wire tightly, then tightly twist the 2 wires together, use a small piece of e tape, stretch it tight at first but not at the last wrap that causes it to unstick. A piece of heat shrink over the joint prevents unwinging too or even a dot of super glue. Looseness is the enemy here not twisting itself.
These bigger tires fit on the same rims? How are these tires measured?
Yes, the same rim, larger tires. They are 10x2
@@VRMinde can I do this on the Ninebot es4? they're supposedly 8" solid tires. I would like to put 10'' air filled tires on there.
@@frz0 I think yes, if they fit under the fenders? I have never owned one and did not try to replace them so do not know for sure.
@@derickrk I can tell for sure they work on xiaomi m365 rims :) have no idea about Ninebot
Thanks!!
5:06 I don't understand, there is direction to the tire?
Itzik Sh yes mate, tires are directional :)
@@VRMindenice to know 😁 there is arrow or some sign?
@@itziksh3272 Normally there is an arrow or "rotation" sign with an arrow :)
One more question please, did u replace the screw above the front wheel? Or just heat gun the fender?
5:55
@@itziksh3272 I did not replace it, it does not touch the tire in my case. I have bent with a heatgun the bottom (rear) part of the fender a bit
there is a motion senser back light no wires.
Very nice
Liam Mitchell cheerz!
@@VRMinde I recently tried to repair a puncture in the tube on stock tyers. Couldnt get the tyer back on. How long did you put it in the oven for and what temp?
Liam Mitchell hi, I can’t remember now exactly, but I would put it to like 80 degrees and for 5-10mins If I would do it again today. It is very hard to put them on...
Did you use 10x2.125 or a 10x2?
it's 10x2 mate
Can i put shocks suspension with 10 wheels?
I guess it depends on which suspension do you choose. I have not tried them, so I cannot comment.
Ido Oshani Did you find a answer? Really wanna know this aswell
@@oliverbode9257 There is a suspension for the back wheel, it looks wild.
1° thing: there are kits that already include everything needed to swap to 10inch tyres, including a brake cable extention, no need for glue.
2° thing: i had that problem with the valve too but if you go slow and try to make the bottom of the valve flush with the rim you can change the tube without cutting the tube or opening the motor.
Hope it helps😁
Thanks mate!
Bro when i try to remove front wheel cap, my motor moves up and down with the cap. Is there any trick to it? I cant remove the cap like you
Fatih Cengiarslan your motor moves when you try to remove the plastic cap? With the two hex bolts? Or you call the 18mm nut “the cap”? The 4 hex bolts under the plastic cap should stay where they are
@@VRMinde the cap where the motor cable goes in. I removed 6 hexagon bolts and lifted up the motor side cap. But motor is sticked to the cap, moves when u lift up the cap
@@fohteh I don't know what to tell you mate. I have left the 4 hexagon bolts and just unscrewed the nut, as you can see in the video. If you removed the last 4 hexagon bolts - put them back in and just unscrew the big 18mm nut. Or I can't understand something :) It is hard to fix scooters on youtube comments :D
@@VRMinde :) its def hard. Im on the part of 4:06. I took the wheel off already. 6 hexagon bolts on the cap. Removed it. Like you push the cap from sides it simply comes off..mine doesnt :( motor moves while i push the cap..damn xiaomi desginers
@@fohteh OH! Now I get what are you talking about :D It did not come off too easily. I had to use something to lift it corner by corner slowly and carefully if I remember correctly mate. I have only done it 1 time and I can't recall now exactly...
What is the bolt size and lenght at 5:33? :)
Good question :) It is stock one, I did not touch/measure it :)
Does this have any significant change in speed? The motor may the same top RPM in speed, however it is a bigger wheel diameter so the outer edge should be moving faster. So is the overall speed of the scooter faster? Or is the load on the motor greater and therefore slows the rpms proportionally? (breakeven?)
DMM Tech hey, 10” wheels will roll faster if you are not using the max power of your scooter already. In practice: if you have stock firmware and your max speed is limited by it - you will see speed the increase.
But if you are running a custom firmware and your max speed is limited not by the firmware, but by the overall capability of the motor, you will not see an increase of the max speed. You will definitely feel the decrease of acceleration instead :)
@@VRMinde Got it, thanks!
I think the speed you see in the app is now wrong because the wheel is bigger now and you have to change the value in the custom firmware so that the scooter can convert the rpm of the wheel to the right kmh
Milan FPV correct, you will go faster than your app shows. Meanwhile is anyone in the world using xiaomi app to see the speed? For my tests I used a gps-based app to see the actual speed.
@@milanfpv5099 That makes sense. In the old days of after market digital bicycle speedometers, you had to set the wheel size so that it can get an accurate reading of speed.
Dispite the larger wheels, the controller is only seeing RPMs for speed calculations which will be largely the same as with smaller wheels.
Hey did you use the original tubes (8.5in)?
I've heard people use the original ones, but I got the set of tubes included with the 10" tires, so I used those. I have the second set of 10" tires from aliexpress in my shed on the shelve and they also came with the tubes.
Congratulations for having done this job with such a shity tools! (I even saw a burger spatula inbetween! :D)
migel prager common man, there is nothing better than this spatula for xiaomi tire mounting :D I almost consider framing it on to the wall! :D
Not even the Pirate youtuber (Xiaomi Pro mod expert) can fit those 10" inch tyres underneath the mud guards lol. You sir just proved otherwise hehe!
I have the Xiaomi Pro and that model definitely needs larger tyres or tubeless solution.
gtone339 I saw someone saying that only these tires fit and therefore ordered them for a try :) And it worked :D (with some hot glue for the rear light cable)
@@VRMinde This is Pirates attempt on inserting the 10 inch tyres, any advice Private message him hehe! czcams.com/video/UJkiI7b0LZQ/video.html
That pirate guy is a con. He advertised merchandise for Chinese sellers. He's a fake.
@@TheLondonCyclist I'm 50/50 with his ideas & advertisements but I do enjoy his long-range e-scooter test trial videos.
I have just skimmed through his vid quickly. It seems he used a different tire and on a different scooter. There was a tight gap between the rear part of the front fender and the tire in my case as well. I had to heat and straighten the fender just a tiny bit :)
I also saw him drilling the wheel, no need to do that as I have learned it myself by doing it :D
Fitting bigger tires will reduce acceleration (so you might have a harder time going up a hill) but it will increase your speed.
Only if you are not riding with custom firmware and speed limit set on like 35 or 40km/h. If you are - your max speed will not increase either
@@VRMinde No, your top speed will increase because of math and physics. Let me explain.
To measure the speed, your scooter uses the rotational speed of the front tire. You can verify this by spinning the front tire by hand with the scooter on (assuming yours shows the speed). To limit the speed, the firmware simply limits the maximum rotational speed of the motor (and thus, the front tire). In other words, setting a speed limit in firmware in reality sets a maximum speed on the motor RPM.
Let's assume that your scooter has the speed limit set to 30 km/h, which is 8.33 m/s. The original tire has a diameter of 0.216 meters, so it has a circumference of 0.678 meters. The circumference is the distance your wheel (and thus, your scooter) will advance in one rotation of the wheel. 8.33 m/s divided by 0.678 m gives us 12.29, which means that at 30km/h, the wheels will rotate 12.29 times every second. The motor controller will allow the motor to spin at a maximum of 12.29 revolutions per second (RPS)
the 10" tires have a diameter of 0.254 m, so a circumference of 0.797 meters. Remember that the circumference is the distance the wheel advances with one rotation. Recall that our maximum rotation speed is 12.29. so 12.29 x 0.797 = 9.79 m/s. That's 35 km/h. So, with 10" tires and a firmware-set speed limit of 30 km/h, your scooter will actually travel at 35 km/h. You can use a GPS to check if you don't believe me.
This is also an issue with cars, since they also use the rotation speed of the wheel to determine speed. Installing a larger tire will make the speedometer read lower. For example, your speedo might read 60km/h, but you could be going 65 instead. Opposite if you install a smaller tire, you could be going 55 when your speedo reads 60.
You also lose acceleration due to the larger moment arm with the larger tire.
the short story is: smaller tires give you better acceleration, larger tires give you better top speed.
uRiBiTo666 mate, thanks for spending so much time to write this all up. But you miss one point.
As I said, if your scooters max speed is already unlimited bythe current firmware (let’s say set to 40km/h), your actual max speed is limited by the capabities of the motor. And larger wheels will not help you to reach faster speeds.
Like if your VW golf 1.6D max speed is 160km/h (as the motor can’t produce more power to go fastet), and you add larger tires, your max speed will not increase, most likely decrease.
I did many tests using gps with both scooters (8.5” and 10” wheels), and on a normal flat road they reach very similar max speed (around 29/30km/h with my 88kg of body weight)
And as I stated many times, I agree that your actual speed will increase if you use stock firmware when your motor is limited by it, but not by it’s power capability.
@@MrFastFox666 Even if you go Faster the scooter will try to slow itself down because of the speed limit capped
How did you manage to mess up the tires twice 😂 great vid anyway
GameRush I don’t know mate :) was asking myself the same :Do
VRMinde do you know if there is a major difference between m265 and the pro version I’m considering buying the pro but idk if it’s worth spending that much money for slightly better specs
@@gamerush7117 No one can tell if "it is worth it" for you mate. Pro has a larger battery and a bit more powerful motor. Batteries are expensive and it is understandable it costs more. If you can - get the pro... It will go further and faster :)
VRMinde the thing is is I’m not really bothered with the speed I’m more looking for longer battery life I have looked into getting one of those custome one you can mount onto the base or neck but I’m not sure if I should spend the money
GameRush you can connect a 36v battery with a BMS in parallel without big problems for the range as well.
Are the rims the same size as the g30?
Go Clunker I do not know what the g30 is mate :)
VRMinde ninebot MAX. G30
what are the benefits of changing tires?
UnPureMaddness ammm... less bumpy ride, better grip on full-speed turns. Increase on max speed (only if you ride stock firmware). Easier to mount, more ground clearance :)
But you will loose maneuvrability, acceleration and overall agility of the scooter. Decrease in range. No gains on max speed if you use custom firmware.