Viktor Orban's 'illiberal democracy' - BBC Newsnight
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- čas přidán 25. 04. 2018
- Is Hungary turning away from the EU and heading towards a new form of ‘illiberal’ democracy? The BBC's special correspondent Allan Little reports.
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Meanwhile in Budapest, my sister can go out for a walk on the streets or to have a cheeky spritzer on the many patios of the city after dark without getting gangraped or stabbed. Not sure if she could do it in Paris or Berlin...
Man... Buy her a pepper spray at least!
I don't say that Paris or Berlin is safer, but downtown Budapest is like Mos Eisley...
Ádám Németh She's 28 and has a fiancé. She doesnt need a pepper spray from me.
HUNdAntae so very true.
Ádám Németh this is a complete lie.
lol Mos Eisley
I can't believe anything the BBC say anymore . .
but its all true. iam liivn in hungary. but iam going to live in another country, like almost every young guy here.
Michael-Alan Taylor I usually believe the opposite to be true.
you may.
almost every young guy? lol at least stop lying you Fischer - regards from a young guy "here" who will not leave...
i think you will stay alone
i would like my country sweden to like hungary towards imigartion, cuz now days in sweden our women cant go out when it is dark and it dangerous to be in some citys
The reason for this being that you Swedes elected the same socialdemocrats since stone age, that detroyed your freedom and security for "saving" foreigners from all over the world.
Elect the right lol
@@anna-if8fi i think the plurality votes for them now but the other parties deny to colaborate with them.
towards immigration, sure
in other issues? hell no.
You can't even type
Just because Britain has leaders willing to give up their national identity doesnt mean that the Christian nations should give up theirs
Christianity is cancer. Our countries are based on ancient Greek philosophies.
@@dontbeadebil5046 which are cancer cause Ancient Greece was a society based on slavery. And pedophilia was accepted in Ancient Greece.
If you are a Christian nation, you have already adopted a Middle Eastern identity. You just don’t realize that you have.
Yes take that west we have our Christian identity but we milk you of your subsidies and kill of democracy
Yes!
12:35 Said by somebody who lives Europe "Europe may not survive." That "somebody" is Barbara Lerner Spectre.
You'll never guess what tribe he belongs to... These people are disgusting.
I wouldn't call this a balanced report. The very first sentences delivered by the narrator are positioning Hungary and the actions of its current government as a deviation from the path the west intended it to take. I don't feel like continuing. I'm sick and tired of these types of reports. Also I find the concept of the illiberal democracy appealing. Liberalism has made this continent rotten and it is nice to see that a country admits that something is wrong.
You could be sick and tired to live in Hungary. Worst place in Europe now.
Of course, Dear Kunjang, it is not 'a balanced report', because it is a hit piece, it intended for that large percentage of the public that still is yet to figure out what is going on!
I´ve been recently in Budapest and the only thing i can say is that the illiberal democracy works quite well.
Victor orban is a joke to the europian union
@@dkgamers1385 Please, don't piss of one of the very few european countries that work correctly. Budapest should not become Bruxelles. At any cost.
@Rajmund Csombordi But only since September 2019 isn't it? I was there when there was the electoral campaign for the city hall. Budapest is sensational anyway. Don't allow the leftist radical mayor to ruin the city like other Left natics have done in other European cities.
Budapest has a mayer from the opposition.
Oh really? Who says that?
Well BBC, all I know is that Hungary isn't a migrant war-zone like Britain is, so what was your point again?
1:14
"If Hungary have had this system... would it qualify?"
As Hungarian here is my answer: If the than EU would have been anything like it is now, we would have never applied to join it...
And just 1 more thing for the westeners/liberals/EU commissioners: we are the ones that lived under oppressing powers for long time so we became masters of recognizing such powers. YOU are definitely one of them.
Stewie Hungarians just want to be left alone. we’ve been fucked with for last 2 centuries.
No we would still applie, because we get money for gdp growth from there.
The Hungarian economy depends on the EU money. If Hungary is so unhappy with the EU, then just fucking leave. Hunxit. I'm not in the country anymore, so I won't care that it's just sink down to a Balkanish level. You get what you've asked for.
+Krisztián Filep
Nope mate, learn a bit. We get money FOR opening our markets for the western companies to let them be even more rich.
+Bracci
You are misled as hell.
The EU money is coming as part of a bargain. If the EU stops his part I hope Hungary is going to nationalize all the values from the western companies.
Also the money that we are talking about go mostly back to the concerned western comapnies in order to invest in Hungary so practically the western countries are putting their money form one pocket to the other while pretending that they are so fucking generous, however all the business people know the truth very well.
BTW I support leaving the EU as in the medium term it will worth for us to stand on our own.
So far it did worth for us to stay and accept the rules but nowaydays the Germans and French changed their behaviour and try to force some assfucked opportunistic ultimatums.
I still do not understand how they imagined this. If you live in a house with 28 apartments and a neighbor of yours makes a huge party on her own saying "all are welcome" but when she finally realizes that she just let to many people into her own party that she cannot cater she demands you to open your apartment too for her guest otherwise she will turn off the water and heating for you.
Have you seen anything like that in the real life?
But to be honest I am not afraid of any such scenarios. In a year from now there will be new EU elections you you all will be devastated from the new parliament.
WOW! This was so blatantly biased! Shame a BBS. Real journalism is "outdated" I guess:(
if we knew who financed this propaganda then we would know why it is like this
bbc you fucking idiot
Rudolf Kovács
It takes a pretty small mind to think pointing out a typo means anything. Get hit by falling satellite debris!
Yeah, but if we're arguing about politics, I think to take someone seriously, his or her content must be flawless gramatically, and if someone can't even spell the name of the Media outlet, he's attacking, there are some serious problems. These idiotic mistakes were not unique, I've seen it all around this comment section. Btw thank you for the kind words, you gave me great advice. I've actually been thinking about getting hit by a satellite debris, after reading all these comments.
Rudolf Kovács
Yeah... you're conflating genuine grammatical errors due to ignorance with a typo. People type this shit on cellphones so... I'd also add that even if these folks have bad grammar that has no bearing whatsoever on the strength and subsequent validity of their arguments. To suggest otherwise is just sophistry as far as I'm concerned. Who would you rather trust- people with high verbal IQ and low reasoning skill, or people with high reasoning skill and sub-par verbal IQ? Both? Well champ, that's who you're talking to right now and I think you're a fucking wanker! I mean... You type this sermon trying to support the untenable stance that grammar and spelling is of the utmost importance and directly reflects the veracity of a person's ideas, and yet you typed this as well: "bbc you fucking idiot"
Umm... I can't help but wonder... where's your capital letters? Where's your punctuation? For that matter, where's the start of the sentence? Just a hint for next time:
"It's called the BBC, you fucking idiot."
Outing yourself as a hypocrite over such a triviality is selling yourself a little cheaply, don't you think?
Full of misleading information and he cannot even pronounce Budapest properly. Thank you, good night.
Yes, this is very true.
not misleading at all.
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You're a piece of shit!
@shitsandwichninja - fool.
@@sandwichninja the Hungarian government is bullshit. Go and enjoy that!
propaganda
Perhaps it is, but man, you should see the hungarian "public service" channels. They are 100% ruling party controlled, and their propaganda is calibrated for the stupidest people of the country.
No wonder fidesz won, they can easily manipulate the uneducated and uninformed.
The propaganda arm of one government claims that another is illiberal. I would prefer to visit Budapest over London any day. The UK is Bongoland.
As BBC usially is
Liberális mantra, nézzük már meg hány libsi blog, újság, facebook oldal stb. van. Ha megnézted utána lehet beszélgetni. Ja és csak téged minősít, hogy butának titulálod a saját nemzetedet olyan komment részlegbe ahol leginkább külföldiek vannak jelen.(szégyellhetnéd magad)
I'm English and my country is lost , currently learning Hungarian. I went there and fell in love.
Well done Hungary!
Hungary is sinking now... if you would live in Hungary, you would realize you CAN'T live if you have a normal job. High average salaries don't enough for living a life. -.-
Stop saying anything if you don't live here.
>Stop saying anything if you don't live here.
But you just said it's not possible to live in Hungary, so how could he/she live there? Duh..
Greetings from Hungary!
Hungary for the Hungarians!
I live here, and James you are crying over nothing, or at least not over the right things.
+James Armstrong
Sinking? One of my Hungarian friends recently moved back to Budapest from Berlin. She got a job earning much more than she was able to when she left. Things are on the up.
Truely the audio engineering quality of a major news network 👏
The BBC has sunk to a new low. Unbelievable.
Budapest is one of the most beautiful cities in Europe. You cannot say that about London anymore.
>anymore
at point in time was that sh*thole """beautiful"""
did u just call Soros a philanthropist?? :D
yes he collects stamps =)
soros will go to hell soon
@Sakkra101 says every authoritarian regime , you are not alone idiot . that soros is invading .
Facts don't care about your feelings, snowflakes
Yes, he is.
Why is bbc worry about the democracy in hungary? The elections were all democratic and the people made a choice. Hungarians know what is good for them and what is not. Worry about yourself instead. And stop judging millions of peoples straightforward choice..
My parents live in Kormend, they know the damage migrants did when passing through the town. It is on such bases that people voted. Orban is overwhelming supported BECAUSE of his policies, not in spite of them!!
Daniel Gardos Exactly, let the Hungarians be ruled by the fascist they voted for. They deserve it.
Thank you BBC for the information. The only problem is that you (and many others, especially those sitting in the EU Parliament) were not asked, since none of you is on the list of Hungarian voters ;) Thank God! We are smart people enough to be able to decide whether we want this "multiculti" or not, and three weeks ago we were asked to express our opinion on the issue. Democracy just works great here! We are proud of Mr Orban. Oh, and "we" means 2/3 of the Hungarian voters. Have a nice day!
Actually, that 2/3 means less than 50 % of Hungarian voters.
@Accelerationist fuck the right
@@mogabriel5238 We are not racist. We just don't like people getting into our country without a passport or ID.
Hungary and Poland , the last of the great Catholic nations left . Please Hungarian and poles , don't let the the commies and liberals take it away from you . God bless from Ireland .
Illiberal democracy is where not the liberals dictate what people have to think, but despite of the liberal majority in Hungarian media, people has their own choice for their own country, which is a non-suicidal choice. Fidesz politicians are standing on the back of the poeple who voted for them.. it is as simple as the real democracy..
Fidesz is great
Living under Islam for 167 years was enough for Hungarians to figure out what Islam is all about.
That's the major difference between West European vs. East European historical experience.
I'm a Hungarian and I can honestly say that Hungarians will not give a
2nd chance to Islam. We are not naive!
We also have first-hand historical experience living under Communism and Nazism.
Therefore no second chance for them either. We are happy to be
Christian Hungarians and want to live in a
society that is free of not only Islam but Commie ideologies such as
progressivism, anti-white and anti-Christianism and feminism etc.
East Europeans are very clear about this.
As a Russian I agree
I’m Muslim and thought Hungarians liked us. Hmm.
@@shebsheb8850 They will not mind you. However they understand Islam and how Christians were viewed. Let me give you one example. My town including it's church was destroyed and the whole region depopulated because of the Muslim Turks. Events like that stuck in the collective historic memory of the people.
@@nandorblue Some extremists that are part of a huge group called the Muslim Brotherhood were banned by other Muslims for bombing churches in my country. Not all Muslims act and think the same, and if we’re taking Muslims as a summary of Islam, then Islam isn’t a unanimous ideology, and is contradictory
When we were opressed by the turkish, was a very different situation. The immigrants now only come to Hungary (many of them just
want to go to germany, and they are just trenspassing) are looking for a better life. The states they left are being bombed. There are shooting on the streets. And let me just say that the avarage sirian person can't afford to leave his country. So most of the immigrants had jobs like doctor, businessman, teacher. So don't look down on them, they are just as much of a person as you. And they are not evil! You can't believe in that bullcrap, whatever that fat dictator tells you!
About nazi Germany. Didn't you notice something these days? Like the fact, that WW2 has ended 75 years ago! Germany only elected Hitler, beacuse they were desperate. There were famine, people didn't have money, so when this dictator said, he could fix everything, they were in. And since then, Germany learned it's lesson. And I dare you to say, that Hungary is more antisemitist, than Germany.
And the russians? Didn't you see some news about Orban negotiating with Putin, Hungary building Paks 2, and oweing money to Russia, until the end of times? Russia is using us, to get a look into the EU.
You can't just believe, that everyone around you is either wrong, or lying. That is what the hungarian government wants you to do!
Viktor is a great guy
"Europe may not survive" I've heard that before
Literally a member of the same tribe...
12:21 He says "core European values" as if they are somehow separate from the values of the citizenry.
Bravo!
And when were the ordinary people allowed vote on these values? The argument that is pushed by the liberal elite is "It is all about Democracy" but when it comes to the EU itself there is no talk about "Democracy".
Hungary turning away from EU?! that's sounds weird from brexit Britain BBC
The longer I watch the worse it gets.
Just turn the volume dowen and read the comments. :)
+dbdevour i think he..... ommm.... ah! whatever
dbdevour Putin and Orban have bigger balls than impotent Western European cuckolds.
Orban Viktor may have some flaws, but nobody is perfect.
In my opinion Orban Viktor is the best leader of state in Europe, and i think that more of the heads of state in Europe should be a little more like him in order to preserve nationality.
Best leander in the world
He is schizophrenic. Goes to a posh clinic in Austria for regular treatment.
*_And now?_*
Wow!! Only made it through 2 minutes of this and knew exactly where it was going. At least the BBC didn't waste my time pretending for 20 minutes that it would give a fair assessment of Hungary before it started the lying. They just jumped right into the lies and snark. If you're not a fan of agitprop, you can take a pass on this one.
For the love of the hungarian people. allow me to ask some provoking questions:
1. Why doesn’t Hungary pull out of EU? Could it be because of EU funds can be quite handy?
Show us that you got balls and integrity, and stick to the deal! Either you stay, or you back out of the deal! Member states can opt out. The door is open. Why the hell hesitate?
2. If Hungary seems to be the last hope of a "true” European country, why doesn’t other Europeans move there ?
With most respect, it doesn’t match well with the evident ever increasing brain drain of Hungary?
Those with education leave Hungary in large numbers, and the people who are not valuing their democratic rights stay. It seems like they don’t care if the politicians do represents the people’s will or not. Could it be that older generations aren’t used to democracy? Its a cliché, but that’s just how Orban wants it to be it seems.
3. Does Orban have selective Alzheimer’s? Maybe we should have shut our European borders in 1956 and rejected aiding the fleeing Hungarians?
4. If Orban is so perfect, why are many of his own people protesting him?
5. Is he himself aware of the fact that he is copying the values and tactics of his very enemies that through wars demolished and sieged his own country, just as Stalin and Hitler did?
6. If Hungarians should stick to their “history", they should worship some kind of authentic Tengrizmus, not some stupid "foreign" religion which came with a “outside" western Roman Empire?
7. Maybe many Hungarians are emigrating because they are fed up with a power sick kleptomaniac who is rewriting constitutional rules for his own good, and who also keeps up the tactics of distraction of blaming other factors and playing victim of a “dictatorship" (EU), when this is the very same dictatorship which he is building for his own gain in his home country? He seems to be in a hurry by shutting all doors for his own people to intervene, which clearly reveals his intentions, and clearly not on the grounds of which he was elected to.
8. Immigration aside, as a non-Hungarian, I do love the country, and it pisses me off to see this joke of a politician screwing his own people and keeping the poor getting poorer, and the rich getting richer. Employees are pushed into slave contracts, and many Hungarians are rightfully angry and protesting!
It seems like the same old story; well-payed corrupt politicians saying that they care about the people, but they really don’t give a shit. Hungarians fought bravely against the Russian oppression of their freedom in 1956. You seemed to be a promising new democracy who wanted change. Now you are reverting back to totalitarianism through Orban again. Have all those Hungarians who fought for their democratic rights battled and died in vein?? Would it still be good to support an elected prime minister that built a stadium in his home town by grabbing trillion of Forints from the people’s Pension programme?
Look at those guys at Fidesz: not good at either debating or being convincing.
Aren’t Hungarians damn fed up with the same kurva oligarchs ruling again and again?!! There are so many others who should have been in parliament instead of those cheap corrupt marionettes!
Why don’t you just overthrow that charlatan Orban ?! Do you still want a diverge into a one-party state?
I think that the Hungarian citizens deserve better!
Jó éjszakát!
I voted your comment down. Because your questions shows your ignorance about the uniqueness of Hungary. You speak about love for the country, and your good wishes for its people. And I can of course not judg about your feelings, but you definatly show both ignorance and huge bias in your comment here.
Can you explain how any of these "liberal democracies" are actually democracies when they literally ethnically cleanse the very people they're supposed to be serving from their own towns & cities on their own taxes?
They are democracies in name only, they are in fact globalist tyrannies, & you only need to look at the filth & decline in the major cities of these countries to look at how destructive it is. Go watch a video of London or Paris from 50 - 70 years ago & you'll understand exactly what I mean.
Potential factors of the failure of the EU: Hungary and Poland.
Nothing but the truth.
Excellent move by Mark Rutte to challenge Hungarian Prime Minister Victor Orbán in front of the other EU leaders to start the official procedure to leave the European Union. But can't the European Union just throw Hungary out? Hungary should never have joined the European Union anyway. Hungary had better join Vladimir Putin's United Russia. It is known that Hungarian Prime Minister Victor Orbán does not care about European norms and values. Hungary only costs European taxpayers money, they generate almost nothing themselves. Hungary is a danger to the European Union.
@@peacemakertripler2624 what are European norms and values? I would think if anything threatened Europe's norms and values it would be the mass migration of people who don't believe in the values of western civilization.
@@peacemakertripler2624 This is very much along the lines "Rules for you but not rules for me". I don't like parts of Orban does, just like I don't like parts of Rutte does. However I do respect the right of both to have an opinion. I also respect the right and the will of the ballot box. If Hungarians vote this guy in then on what basis are you saying that this is wrong?
If Rutte and yourself do not like Orban and you seek to punish him, is this not the very definition of authoritarism and illiberalism?
I am English God bless Hungary you are great people that we should follow you stopped the ottomans from invading and your stopping them now it's amazing
Hungary ssves europe
They do not stop anybody. The Hungarian government likes every person with loads of money. orban was friend of a terrorist leader too.
You are lying, the Romanians were the last Christian bastion stopping Turkish hordes, after the Kingdom of Hungary fell under the Turks. Check you facts and stop spreading lies & cheap falsehoods.
@@paulungureanu937 Stop lying? You learned from fake history books during the Chauchescu Era.xD You have no idea about History.
@@istvanborsan3307 Szia Istvan, what did I say that was untrue? I dont know that guy, never met him, was born after his death. What I wrote previously I was taught by Transylvanian Hungarian friends.
Why did you purposely make Victor Orban look like some kind of Sinister Bond Villain in the thumbnail?
because he is
I mean that pretty much is Orban
Accepting immigration from the 3rd World is not a requirement of a Democracy. It is a policy question that should be settled by elections and debate.
Many countries don't want foreigners to influence elections and legislation. If non citizens are given political power Democracy is harmed not helped. Why should Hungary be required to allow foreign funded organizations to influence elections and policy? Remember the funding only comes if they say and do what the money man wants. There is no independence in those organizations.
It's in fact the opposite of a democracy & can't be considered any other way. You can't claim you're running a "democracy" if you're literally ethnically cleansing the very people you're supposed to be serving, on their own taxes no less....
I'm sick to death of the BBC!
You should not be. Every word is true, but it is only 1% of the rubbish what's going on in Hungary.
I would have a far greater concern for the covert operations of the so called Open Society Foundation and the terrible implications for democracy that an insanely wealthy single citizen can have buying his own propaganda.
It's quite funny how 2/3 of the reactions are dislikes
Long live to the illiberal demokracy
If we are not communists
The BBC ''were integity goes to die''
American and British bombs created the Middle East migration crisis. Why blame the EU for trying to do its humanitarian duty, trying to clean the mess created by America and Britain?
Whatever your opinion of Europe opening its borders to Middle East migrants, the blame lies squarely at the feet of the Anglo-American military-industrial complex.
Anglo lol? It's very obviously not Anglo, Anglos aren't even allowed interests in their own homelands. It's another certain people that has interests in the Middle East.
Just seen the comments section.
Looks like even British people not buying this crap. lol
Sad but true.... Hungarian racism is one of the highest in eastern Europe. Based on that they Voted for a government that is racist and they believed that this would work in this times. They wished to have all freedoms of Europe and keep their boarders closed.
Well i dont feel any sorry for them and thy should live with what they choose......
yeah you must know wether we are racists or not lmao...
Can you look up how many terrorist attacks were in hungary?
we have the right to defend our tradtitions and our safety, i suppose you havent heard these terms in a long time.
And by the way we let the Ukranians in even though their nationalists have been harassing ukranian-hungarians since trianon so here is that
What you'd call "racist" for Europe, you'd call self-determination & freedom for any non-European country. Funny how that works... Hungary is nice & clean precisely because it is "racist", the UK & France are declining dramatically due to being "anti-racist".
Okay so Hungary lost she's land 2/3 in the peace after the ww1 called Trianon because of the palace. Before this Hungary was part of the Austrian empire but few years after the Hungarian revolution and independence war in 1848-49 the Austrian empire changed to the Austro-Hungarian empire what was a doulist country. Before this Hungary was split in three parts on what was under the control of turks, one what was under the control of Austria and there was Transylvania what was ruled by itself. Because of this and because of what happened with us after the ww2 we are proud to our culture and history and this is why Hungary wants she's parts back. And Orbán calls Hungarian democracy Christian Democracy!
Dont twist the history, bastard. Transilvania was , is and it is a part of Romania and will remain like that for the rest of our lives and your nephees lives. Do you think Europe didnt Know our borders ? Your country is so fucked up by your Trianon tratate and accept that never Transilvania was part of Hungary. You came here to took it, never was yours. Belonged to the Dacus and before that, to the Tracus descendends, 2500 years ago before you came in Pannonia. So Shut the fuck up . Transilvania is Romania, period !!!
@@MasterVidsHD Mate, you are not Dacians, and you are not latins. You came to europe with the pechenegs. Your history book is a sci-fi. I feel sorry you don't know your own history. You had slavic language 200years ago, and later you had language reform, stolen words from latin, french and italian languages. You just a frustrated liar mate.
@@MasterVidsHD 200 years ago you had slavic language, who the hell are you?
@Leo the British-Filipino No, he's not. It's fake history! Romanians had slavic language a couple of hundred years ago. He is a descendant of the pechenegs. Romanians are not latins. They are steeling history for themselves. Because their real history is full of failure. That's why Romanians need to lie history.
@The Philosoraptor 🎃 lmaoo the smartass...
1. Hungarian and magyar mean the same
2. Hungarian has very little, or almost no similarities to finnish, same family, but they are still very far from each other. All the languages that were relatively similar to hungarian have vanished...
3. Romanian is a latin language i give you that, but aint no god damn romanian has descended from latins and dacians
Hungary is a very nice country, and I've been there. Greetings from Malaysia.
Been there too, it is a nice country, indeed.
Hot girls even.
God bless you
Well, at least media don't get silenced by court order or do people get arrested over tweets.
What an absurdly snooty view of Hungary! Hungary stands up to the Brussels Commissariat and the BBC issues its ideological condemnation.
Bullocks! Hungary has been holding up their hands to Brussels ever since they joined. Opposed to countries like Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Slovenia, Slovakia, Czechia, etc.. there is 0 economic progress.
On other front they are even moving backwards. We should through them out. They are a nuisance. Giving the money to promising countries like Croatia, Romania and Bulgaria would be a far better investment.
Hungary good country,with cool peoples!!!
other countries should follow Hungary's way of keeping migrants away. If they want to try to enter, then do it the correct way.
Exactly Hungary is a model to follow for the EU
You sure you know "European values" buddy... ?
"Hungary is one of the most ethnicly uniform nations in Europe"
Is this true?
Hungary has one of Europe"s biggest roma population (as percentage of total population), also one of the biggest jewish population. Numerous Hungarians are of german descent, even if most of them feel Hungarian as first identity. As from the turkish occupation we have many turkish genes, also many slavic genes as almost all neighbouring countries are slavic (Hungarians themselves are not slavic even though they come from Asia), and there was much interaction since the early middle ages, so since 1000 years. So Hungary has plenty of ethnicities, only no arab or african.
We have always had one of the largest Jewish population as Hungary was the SAFE HAVEN for Jews during the second World War. This was the only country in Central-Eastern Europe where the nazis were NOT allowed to take away the Jews until 1944, when the Hungarian government was overthrown by a nazi puppet regime and invaded by German military. (even though the nation was on the side of the central powers, but did not concede to the wishes of the nazis, so had to be overthrown)
As for the Roma, we also have a mass population. So the statement is correct that Hungary is not at all a uniform nation.
The ethnicity or culture of the migrants is not the problem. The problem is that many utterly despise core European values and want to force their Sharia law and medieval mentality on the majority. This is unacceptable and such people should not be let in!
No. The Hungarians are of 7 tribes which the "magyar" is only one of them. The Hungarians are actually one of the first "multinational" society, which integrated many others in its society, including the slavic, germanic and other nationals, as it was decimated by many invasions, among them the Mongols, the Turks, and had to repopulate its land earlier several times. For its history, it has a higher sensitivity of "culture" than many of the western nations, who did not to endure such invasions, or at least not from people so far from their core culture. Hungary will never accept sharia law, because it had to survive 150 years of muslim rule and had enough of the middle eastern culture, which the west is now learning the hard way..from Soros to Islam, all the same..
blerocs: you can tell this about all the countries in Europe... colonizing Western countries had many interaction with people from their colonies and with each other. Eastern countries were mixing a lot due to the continuous occupations and wars. So what is your point?
it may well be the case that ethnic Hungarians (= those with Hungarian genom) are actually a minority in Hungary. So I'm not sure if it makes sense to speak about an "ethnicly uniform" nation, it is in fact ethnicly rather diverse.
Orban gives us hope that all is not lost in Europe!
Great news from Hungary. Every European country that wants to remain a European country needs an Orban !
So you don’t think Orban is corrupt running a corrupt government?
is this bbc joke?
The BBC itself is a big joke these day.
Not a single positive comment in the comment section. Not surprised.
Adds an extra layer of irony to the "undemocratic" claims.
They forgot to mention that Fidesz won almost 40% support in Budapest. That far surpassed any other party in the city. And even in most of the districts where they lost they were still the second largest party. Another myth in this video is about the young voting for the opposition. Which opposition? There is like 5 opposition parties, which is similar to the UK. And Fidesz won by far the most votes of the young. The left wing parties have almost no support among the young. LMP and DK for example often brag about being the second-third youngest parties, but that is easy when your total voter base is like 1-2% of the entire vote and the rest of the leftist parties are mostly supported by the most elderly who vote for MSZP not because they really have any interest in the party, but because they voted for them since Communist transition times and will always vote that way. The rest voted for Jobbik.
The problem is that western democracies has started to give up their own national identity. This is the thing which Hungary and the V4 doesn't really want. This is why we and Fidesz has been criticized. This is that simple.
And of course our national economic indicators are getting better and better, year by year. It is a long process to reach what we want and it's been only 8 years elapsed with the Fidesz government.
Szabii[Editor] There is only one year left from this ultra liberal nonsence, based on green parties, so don't be so sure, that the money tap will be closed. And don't forget the fact that German factories are here, so they will not gonna spit up and step under it. They need us and we need them. There are a lot of western based comapnies here.
I don't really get this 'we are doing great by ourselves'-attitude after joining the EU-family. I still see a lot of unique economic/cultural possibilities for Hungary by strengthening their relationships within the EU. Outside the EU all bets are off.
Why would western companies stay in non-union countries? - Because there are certain processes in a factory for example which is economically not really profitable in their own countries. With this they can keep manufacture processes lower then in any other way. Hungary is close to Germany in the wages are much lower here then there. German products have a higher quality on a lower price because they can move their processes into countries like ours.
Of course Hungary and other countries wants to get richer, and for this somehow we have to build our country. These are the first steps. Hungary needs companies, and small businesses to export more to increase their GNI (not GDP). For example there are things which blocks this. Certain media platforms clearly say to leave Hungary, by getting a new citizenship then stay there. This is terrible because Fidesz many other people wants to somehow keep these people in Hungary so it's not becoming totally empty, like Bulgaria. These people should build our Hungary. (But the same is true to all the V4 countries... Recently a lot of people want to go into richer countries, just live rich life. Of course it is acceptable in certain cases but the fact that there are media platforms which clearly says to leave this country forever is simply dusgusting)
I don't want to continue, there are incredible amount of reasons why it is good and several reasons why it is bad, you have watch tremendous amount of videos and you have to read a lot to understand these things. Mainstream media simply doesn't show every aspect of the entire economy and all the connections between them.
Gabor Miklos I don't know what are you talking about. Merkel and Macron just got elected, they will stay for a while, and they are already planning to use the 7.th amendment
Next year EU elections and not Macron or Merkel decides to use the 7th amendment but the EU has to drop the "bomb" (The EU is not Merkel and Macron)... But as I sad. Next year, EU elections, and the EPP will grow, due to the failed Migrant policies that the current liberal parties has made. There is a liberal wing of the EPP as well, but because of the thing I mentioned they will be removed from the EPP party.
(Currently the EU can't use the 7th amendment, due to the veto, which protects us) (Poland protects us, and Hungary protects Poland)
you know what hungary doesnt have? grooming gangs
@@Maggie-zr2ow you have no idea of what you are talking about...you are a typical far left libtard
I am a Hungarian and am proud of my prime minister . Thank you Mr Orban, and for those of you drag in the propaganda department don't believe this BBC gibberish
I forsee for the near future a big huge migration to Hungary... of white Europeans from other EU member states.
loads of germans, brits, french come here, its rly funny
Yesss, we don't want liberalism. No matter how it is called, illiberalism or something else what we want. . But please, no liberalism. And no Ignatieff and his crew.
Democracy is worst form of government. Orban is reason why Sokrates said so. To make democracy work properly is difficult task. But it's worth trying. Please Hungary don't give up.
Sincerely random Slovak.
Thanks for your goodwish but why we should try? As you said democracy is the worst goverment syszem. Lets bring back the monarchy!!!! (But not the habsburgs they are totally gay)
Even your seemingly innocent opening statement is twisted. Hungary didn't move westwards upon emerging from behind the iron curtain. Hungary stayed exactly where it always has been and simply claims its right to be Hungarian.
Shame on you BBC a once objective media. What have you become?! Personally as a Hungarian I feel offended by this propaganda video which cannot be further from the truth. This video contains simply lies about Hungary. Unbelievable....
This is why I will never buy another TV license, no unbiased news anymore just propaganda.
That university is a free institution only for those that can afford to go there and what nation doesn't look after its own interest. Hypocrites.
Hail Viktor Orban the new crusader knight
Democracy doesn’t have to be in a liberal format
"return to the west"? Honestly surprised BBC let this chauvinism through
God bless Victor Orban . Hungary is paradise for family and children. God bless Hungary !
Im a hungarian. Orbán is right in immigration at the same time he is a dictator. Incredible corruption ,disguisting
At least in Hungary, they'll speak to you in Hungarian. Almost everywhere. I live in the UK, From Hungary :)
As a Hungarian I have to say that Hungarian people have terrible accents when speaking English:)
Just as americans have when speaking hungarian.
This guy should be a head of EU not drunks and without knowledge of freedom, we Hungary and Poland were under communism for 50 years and we had no chance to prosper like West under USA and now when we free we not be under EU
Love from Belgrade, i wish we had a politician like him
You dont. He controlls the mediay thats why you only see the good side of him.
But you already have. Vučić is the serbian Orban.
@@goldbeni And the liberal media don't pump endless bias news? Kettle meet pot time.
So you want a corrupt country?
I just searching for different opinion across the youtube about Hungary and Orbán. Any video that has Orbán and his speeches in it has like...95% liked, with an overwhelmingly supportive comment section. I clicked on this video, because i want to see both sides, and damn....i think people realized what is good for them, and had enough of the liberal leaders.
To HELL, TO HELL, TO HE'LL with the BBC! I USED to Admire them Greatly!!!
It is hilarious that BBC thinks it can judge Victor Orban.
So can I you seem to be ignorant .
On 16 June 1989, Orbán gave a speech in Heroes' Square, Budapest, on the occasion of the reburial of Imre Nagy and other national martyrs of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution. In his speech, he demanded free elections and the withdrawal of Soviet troops
TOday he is a communist puppet .
I have to add some facts here to the documentary. It seems that the percentage of the population working in the communal work system, and the highest votes on FIDESZ and Orban relates to each other: where people was the most dependent as the only source of income (of this very undemocratic institute in my opinion) were more likely to voted to them. Also since they shifted teh election system to something more similar to UK, were the number of people voting on a party depends less than local seats - this frightening combination worked well. May I add how the Fidesz already took control of the most important sources of media, especially outside Budapest or those without Internet. They had most of their seats from these constituencies where the communal work was the most important "job giver" of the region.
This communal work project won't pay the minimal wage, and won't protect the rights of the employed (it is considered a contribution for the benefit in a way). The problem with this, that many work to the local councils, like local library workers were simply fired from normal jobs, then re-employed into this communal work system to pay much less from the budget.
It would be foolish to ignore these details on the issue why people voted to Fidesz. The existential fear is a huge factor, more so than immigration or nationalism. On top of that, neither of the opposition part had been really targeting the issue of this, or promising any significant improvement on these people's life. Voting for the known evil is better than the unknown...
Viktor Orban is a GREAT LEADER something the BBC will NEVER UNDERSTAND.
Viktor Orbán is a dumbass fucker
He’s a loser
He's not suppose to follow anyone, especially Trump the Moron.
Who the fuck mixed this sound?! Its all over the place! Left, right, left right, right left.
why is the audio in mono and not in stereo?
God Bless Hungary and Viktor Orban
There are about 40 foreign higher institutions (university, college schools) in Hungary. None of them have a problem with the Hungarian Government and its legislature EXCEPT for CEU of Mr. Soros.
Why didn't the dear editor interview other universities?
Minimum 90% of the professors and instructors at ELTE and Közgáz teach the neo-liberal ideology. (due to the fact that the communist elite were only allowed in these positions) The statement that there is no freedom in hte education OR judicial system is absurd and is concretely a lie.
BBC does not tell the truth here, again....
Hungary opened its borders to the West, but not to Africa, nor to the Middle-East.
Hungary entered EU under the Maastrich requirements (free movement of EU citiezens) that never included the concept of "open-border" of Soros as a core value !!! What has happened to the E.U.? What is happening in Hungary ? it is obvious : EU action - HU reaction.
Hungary is not a multicultural nation. It has no colonization and neo-colonization related political action. ex no HU multinational is exploiting labor force or land elsewhere in the world. Hungary has no historical debt !
Every country, population should have the right to decide their destiny, the right to self-determination and protect their culture from outrageous globalization, multiculturalism. Since when (where is it put down that) it is the market who has the power to decide on the cultural cohesion of a free democratic country ???
The US apparently establishes its influence and liberal rhetoric via the markets, though thanks to former American presidents(Clinton, W. Bush, Obama, and Trump to be Specific), America's sphere of influence has been crumbling. I suggest you read _The Disunited Nations_ by Peter Zeihan, a very good book, I'm currently reading it presently.
I wonder who the bad guy is here? Orban in Hungary....Brexit in the UK....Trump in the US.....there is a trend for some to question and even oppose openly any decision of the people which does not buy into the establishment/global position. This constant non-acceptance of an outcome which does not suit (re: repeat referenda in countries until the "right" answer is gained)....is the real enemy of democracy. We know democracy is not perfect, as one Greek philosopher said....but it is what we have until something better comes along. It is symptomatic of the EU, which has evolved into a giant political entity, from what once was a free-trade bloc. European Army....European ambassadors......etc. Nothing more than the Warsaw pact by another name!! And they moan about lack of freedom and democracy!
I living in hungary!! I dont have any problem here! I living before london! never again!!!!
Tell me one thing. How is that possible that an American billionaire is having discussions with EU leaders about EU matters on a regular basis? Politicians are just a prop
Jesus fucking christ, you arrest people for insults over the internet and you criticise other countries for being illiberal?!
Once upon a time, BBC was dry and informative. "Here is the news, draw your own conclusions, good night."
'Existential threat' and 'illiberal democracy' - said no adult ever while delivering untainted non-propagandized information...
I live in Australia and want to return to my motherland when retire. As Serbia is full of migrants, I will probably move to Hungary or Poland and try to relocate my family
You are a voivodinan hungarian or just a random guy who wants to return to europe? Or a serbian?
Yay, they haven't disabled comments on this video yet. I wanted to comment on a biased propaganda one about Poland but couldn't. The downvotes say it all.
Can anyone here find a video of Orban's 20th August speech of this year?
Yet we must be objective: Hungary is fighting more or less against migration influx but: whereas Hungary’s police against this kind of raging madness is completely righteous the government does take basic social welfare achievements step by step away from everyday citizens! Low level of education and health care, bumpy roads, unnecessary stadiums are just a few which do not facilitate the life of ordinary citizens in Hungary! Please consider this before you hail orban as the ultimate defender of Europe!
Newsnight.... I look forward to the day when this "news" programme has it's last night on the BBC2 TV Channel, with my feet up with a glass of brandy to toast this lovely, if not glorious event, after saying that, I will miss their usual lovely one sided arguments, along with their usual bad mannered interruption's which never quite allow a question they ask to be fully responded to, never mind we have just run out of time...it's so sad.
I see brainwashing worked well for you comrade .
Strange that east Europeans here say it is very safe in their countries,but here in belgium almost 90% of house jackings and other crimes are committed by east Europeans
That’s true, I am Hungarian and here are absolutely not liberal democracy
Good
Ok fair enough about the immigration policies, I can understand that. But encroachment on democracy and free speech is frightening to say the least. Tribalism in politics is the biggest crock of shite as well.
Well done Hungary! Respect from Poland!
Illiberal /populist/fascist etc etc. The label that is applied to anyone who likes their nation as it is and doesn't embrace mass illegal immigration
The left side of my head learned a lot
It actually makes no sense, like they went out of their way to pan all of the crowd noise and music to the right and narration to the left lol
For those who speak against the Hungarian democracy and values: I would like to see a debate between you all and Viktor Orban himself. I am 100% certain he would easily prove how wrong you are, and what are the real values of Europe. And the West is about to give up its own culture and values, without most of people even realising it.
Mr. Orban is a great politician and Hungary can be proud of him naturally. He understands that "liberal democracy" only means the destruction of european culture to make room for the "new world".