The MTA Is Actually De-Interlining?
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2023
- Recently, the MTA made a change to the service pattern of two lines that resembles something very similar to De-Interlining.
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Well, 63rd Street’s white signs could be considered temporary under an F & M route swap anyway. The temporary white signs could be replaced by M signs after the swap.
Also, nice video, the humor has improved
“Some of you old heads” got me cracking up, in my opinion, they should permanently change it to this, service would be better this way, raise your hand if you agree
The F and M swap definitely needs to be permanent
To add on to this, the permanent service change can help make the M train full time on Weekends as well since R trains are not able to handle the local tracks on its own on Weekends *Of course im talking about When CBTC construction/upgrades are completed*. This change won’t have a major impact at all since most riders on the F & M go to 6th Avenue anyway. If you need 21st, Roosevelt, Lexington Ave or 57th, you can simply transfer from to the M train at Jackson Heights. The travel time would probably increase up to at most 5-8 minutes but the chokehold at the 36 St interlocking will be eliminated
Yes. Make M train full time service on the 63st tube. Plus M can get pax on E Astoria and Sunnyside and Steinway passes going to Jackson H being local instead being skipped by the F train. MTA in 2001 was up their own ass
@@NYC_Pokemon_Fanno
@@williamerazo3921it’s not as simple as just “make the M train full time,” if they could I’m sure it would already be full time
I agree
Absolutely this swap needs to be permanent
Once work in the 63rd Street tunnel is done, the M should run via 63rd and the F via 53rd permanently.
…And have the M terminate at 21 Street on weekends.
@@mediasaintfilms4654Nah sent the F train via 63rd Street to weekends and late nights
I agree
Actually it should be 6 Av on 63rd while 8 av takes on 53 under a deinterlined system
53rd will be the EK trains as well as QBL Express
63rd will be the FV/M trains as QBL local
Because the R has been banished from QBL, it will take on Astoria and replace the N with the N going to 96 St(72 St Upper Level in a Deinterlined System). Because the K exists, 8 av has another local on it so the C ends up becoming express so it can take on 145, 59 junctions as well as Cranberry Tunnel. To transfer to a 6 av train from Jamaica-179 St, use a K train to Forest Hills-71 Av
Need this F/M swap to be permanent.
And the (G) extended back to Forest Hills.
I agree that the swap should be permanent, but the G going to Forest Hills doesn’t really help much on QBL. Most riders are going into Manhattan, a borough that the G completely avoids.
The G can't be extended if the M goes to forest hills again because there would be congestion on QBL local
@@MysticTransit you could still take it to an express stop
@NYC_Pokemon_Fan "when queenslink gets built"
We hope it gets built 😔
@@MysticTransitit actually can be, if you take the G in rush hour it’s completely full all the way to Court SQ coming from Brooklyn, a lot of people use it just to transfer at Court Sq
the MTA like always, mystifies everyone by acting in the weirdest ways possible ya know, just cause they felt like it.
Yeah mystic, F/M lines need to swap permanently cuz that way service will improve forever!
I live on Roosevelt Island. The MTA spent A LOT of money completing the extension of the 63rd St. tunnel to link to the QBlvd line to "increase capacity" on the QB line. It makes it possible to go from where I live to, say, the Jamaica station and on to JFK. It makes it possible to take a one-seat ride to Coney Island and point in between. Leaving the shuttle permanently would be a disaster. Also, MTA has spent close to 20 years or even more doing weekend and overnight "signal work" on the QB line to allegedly increase train capacity. I doubt their plan is to remove through service to 21st/Qbridge, Roosv Isl, and 63rd St.
I used to live on the island. I'm enraged for you quite frankly. The M is a garbage train and shorter at that. I don't think those commenting here have a clue what rush hour is like at the Roosie stop...lol
Since covid the commuter crush has not been as bad. It's an inconvenience to have to time your arrival/departure but the fixed dependable schedule is actually good. It sucks that I can't occasionally ride out to Queens or to JFK or even to the LaGuardia bus at 74th/Jackson Hgts without a major detour. The biggest wa$te is that both MTA and the red bus shuttle out to Queens Plaza, which is maybe good for that occasional JFK/LGA connection, but easily adds 20 minutes to a trip to Manhattan, rendering them pretty much worthless.@@bryantduell7800
Bro they should put the G line to forest hills again because the R cant do all of those stations by its own
Exactly. Ever since the MTA removed the V Train, the traffic has gotten even worse.
Or better yet kick R out of Brooklyn
Even better put the orange Q back via sixth Avenue onto 53rd St line and Queens Boulevard local to, 179 Street
You could do more than add another line onto the fire like actually deinterline it
I think it's pretty apparent that the real reason for having the M terminate at 57th Street has nothing to do with the MTA considering swapping the F and M. The real reason is because the E and F both run 15 or so trains per hour at rush hours, and there's not enough room in the 53rd Street Tunnels for the M's trains.
The M is terminating at 57th Street because that's literally the only place it can terminate without other services getting screwed over.
I feel like since the M is ending at 57th and the R is the only local train the G should be extended to Forest Hills just for the time being because now people have to transfer from the G to the F/E to the R just to get local service on top of the fact that most G trains are packed heading into Court Sq
plus 57 street will havfe no trains at night...
@@AMB-ix6ghThat’s not an issue considering that the station had a number of alternatives nearby,
That’s what I’m saying, and people are saying it’s useless bc people are heading to manhattan, but what about the people who want a one seat ride on queens blvd, instead of getting off at court sq to transfer and walk a lot to the E train, when the G train can literally continue, atleast to queens plaza🤷🏽♂️
Firmly agree. I use the 46 Street on the R train. The R running alone on that stretch has led to overcrowding and lateness. We need a return of the G to Forest Hills.
@@raymondhummel3808same once a week I use the R and it’s slow af lol I had to use the F when I got to Jackson heights
I never really had a problem with the M train heading into queens via 53rd street. I go to Forest Hills or Steinway Street in Astoria quite often and usually when I would go to Steinway Street from Manhattan, the M train isn’t slow. Yes there were times where a train may be held, but it isn’t long as it seems some people desperate for "de-interlining" suggest.
Thankfully this change is only for a couple of months which is good so that I don’t have to transfer at Queens Plaza to get the R local train on the weekdays when they replace the tracks on the F line. The lines were fine as they were
Twice I’ve been in an e or f train that got held for about 15 minute between stations. And I’m not the only one this has happened to. Maybe we’re just insanely unlucky, but deinterlining might help alleviate something like that.
@lucaslucas2933 Sounds like you were unlucky then because during peak times or off peak times, I've never been held for 15 minutes. These channels make it seem it as a bigger problem than it really is
@@atrailmckinley4786So you’re saying that you’re against any form of deinterlining, even where it could beneficial?
@TheRailLeaguer Depends on if it's an actual problem causing massive delays, which frankly in this case, it doesn’t so I see no point. There is a reason why lines are interlined and the subway system is doing just fine
@@atrailmckinley4786 That’s not really true since there are many places in the system where deinterlining can make the system work even more effectively with very few negative effects on riders trips. This includes Queens Blvd, Rogers Junction, etc. In fact, there are several merge points that have developed to the point that that if two trains on two different tracks arrive and they are both going to the same destination station you’re going to and you make the wrong decision as to which train to take, you will pay for it.
3:17 Since the M itself ran a shuttle between Myrtle-Wyckoff and Metropolitan Ave while they rebuilt M tracks near Myrtle Ave-Bway. 🤣
It is interesting that the F signs are in the permanent black though, as well as the M on 57 St. Definitely something to keep an eye on next year when reconstruction wraps up.
I want full deinterlining on Queens Blvd, but this is a great first step.
This was a great video, thanks! I was thinking it'd be cool if you could explore the oft-suggested extension of the J down to Bay Ridge via the Montague connection as a way to supplement the pitiful state of local service.
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Kept me dying 😂
That had me at the end too. Made me spit out my food almost. 😂
I wonder what the timestamp is
@@rubivasquez7510 3:34
I find the E and F on 53rd Street to be better
More congestion more delays I don't like deals on my train line
If you go in the 63rd st Tube heading west/downtown b/w Roosevelt Island and Lex-63 st, there’s another tunnel just off to the left, maybe provisions for a 2nd Ave connection
Tysm for doing my home line :) btw Queens bridge is my stop
I honestly think the F/M swap should be permanent and that this should happen to the QBL lines:
E and R: Remain the same
F: To 179th Street via 53rd Street on weekdays and via 63rd Street on late nights/weekends and QBL express
G: Extend to 71st Avenue via QBL local
M: Terminate at 21st Street/Queensbridge on weekdays with F service operating on the line late nights and weekends
More congestion on the line
F train as a rush hour 63rd Street
Very nice video!
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My guess is that the signals and switches at the various intersections are now good enough such that they can run on the F instead of the M there, because the old service pattern is back now. The 63rd street line changed all that, but since they’ve been doing constant signal work, this is what I’m guessing they’ve been working up to.
0:45 this is exactly what holds me up when I’m coming back home from Queens Plaza. We stop and we’re not moving and then this announcement creeps up and the conductor, I said, play the automated message announces “we are waiting for a train to clear ahead of us. We are really sorry for the inconvenience. And I’m on the E and I know it’s an F train.
Or when I’m heading for Manhattan and I’m on the F we get stuck as well and then I know it’s an E train. It is so annoying.
I believe the reason why the M line went with the E was so that it would be able to share every station with another train after Delancy/Essex for weekday only service
Yeah no one seems to have a viable solution to serve 63st at night and on weekends once the F is moved, which is where this plan falls apart
@@ianrotheroe2540honestly the only thing i can think of is if the F turned into the N and just have late nights & weekends be F only on 63 st
@NYC_Pokemon_FanI think Kevin just means that, like with the N rerouting via the R to cover the lack of late night R service, the F could have a late night reroute via 63 St.
@NYC_Pokemon_Fan the N serves Astoria, nobody's moving the N. We're only suggesting:
Daytime: E/F via 53 St, M via 63 St
Nighttime: E via 53 St, F via 63 St
The N was just mentioned for comparison, it's not changing.
@NYC_Pokemon_Fan that inconsistency already exists with the N/R switch overnight, so I don't think it would hurt.
Moving the C to 53 St removes a key artery along Central Park West that would need to be replaced.
I guess people get to relive rush hour at Lexington Av-53rd St pre 2001 again when it was extreme overcrowding. Hopefully it's not the case anymore but i remember how dangerous it was. E and F trains unloading trains full of passengers who arent fast enough to clear the platform and it piled on and on and on...
The quality of this video feels especially high! Great job
Glad you think so! Thanks!
For the time being the G train should be extended to forest hills to help with local service and even when the M train comes back to queens
What difference would it make? The M still has to join the Queens Blvd Line eventually.
Yes, but at the 36th St Junction, merging with just the R on the local tracks, instead of switching to/from the express (E) and local (R) tracks at Queens Plaza.
Once the 63rd St renovations are done, this is what I expect the service changes to be like:
WEEKDAY DAYTIME
(B): Unchanged
(D): Unchanged
(F): Jamaica-179th St to Coney Island via 53rd St
(M): Middle Village-Metropolitan Ave to Forest Hills via 63rd St
LATE NIGHTS:
(B): No service (Unchanged)
(D): Unchanged
(F): Same routing as during the day but via 63rd St instead
(M): Unchanged
WEEKENDS:
(B): No service (Unchanged)
(D): Unchanged
(F): Jamaica-179th St to Coney Island via 53rd St
(M): Middle Village-Metropolitan Ave to 21st St-Queensbridge
They were talking about doing a swap as far back as 2018 and in 2020 they were going to experiment the F/M swapping since Queens Plaza is a problem when it comes to merging which creates delays but covid happend.
Well let's hope now's the time for the permanent swap!
@@MysticTransit I doubt it but it should be, The E/F uses the same equipment or both use 60 foot cars (if Jamaica get the R211s) so dwell times won't be an issue like it was pre December 2001. The M could still run on QB during the week and late nights and weekends it can terminate at 21-Queenbridge giving M riders 24/7 service to midtown.
@@R323838Jamaica will not get r211 due to the fact they have enough r160 available
It's been five years and nothing has still ever come of it. And it shouldn't. Because it would make no sense for the MTA to cut weekday service levels in half while over-serving 53rd Street. Ridership levels at Lexington Avenue-63rd Street alone are the biggest hurdle.
They needed that 63rd st tunnel for the F Line and I'm glad they did that and for the M line is DAMN good is going to 71ave!
I love how everyone is providing a valid agruement for reextending the G and MysticTransits goes “Your opinions don’t matter” lmao
The (G)’s re-extension onto QBL wouldn’t help capacity-wise. It’ll only feed riders to Queens Plaza, where they’ll still need to transfer to an (M) or (R) train. That may cause overcrowding at that station.
Half of the 57th St. station is this use and m train, terminates on one track on the 57th St., and sixth Avenue station there is a switch at 57th St., 6th Avenue station and M trains terminate on the downtown track. I think the M Chain should run via 63rd St. line while the F train runs down via 53rd St. during non-service changes.
Disagreed more congestion on the queens Blvd line
Hey there Mystic. You're doing good so far I hope.
I am! I hope the same can be said for you.
All them RI riders are lucky, they got tram service running every 7.5 mins during the peak now.
They should have the F run 63rd street on late nights and weekends while the M is the weekday service. That way, the station can have access to Broadway, 6th avenue and Nassau street lines all at the same station without complications.
Well I heard this was due to track replacements occurring and it's going to continue until the first quarter of 2024. No specific date yet.
They said until January the work is supposed to be completed
@@DANNYN224it’s march but the F is still via 53 street
the line's design was questionable to begin with. the F running express to a station that only it goes to is kinda weird
Yes because you can hold a northbound Romeo at Queens Plaza for the M to go into 36th st. Same thing southbound leaving 36th st. The M should serve 63rd st AM n PM and the F during late nights. Since the E is local on Queens Blvd.
But with some left over from the M they should of gave it to the G instead of the C so it can help the R to forest hill
While yes, that would add some more service along QBL, most riders are trying to go to/from Manhattan, not into Brooklyn.
What C ?
@@williamerazo3921 the R160s
@@NYC_Pokemon_FanMTA is never ever moving the C from CPW line. You already have a 8th Ave Local serving QBL. Now C should be Express with the A and reintroduce the K line as WTC-168 local and Have C terminate at -Bedford. D on the local CPW with the B going to 96st 2Ave (if not then a local on CPW to 168th) E trains will get more service
@@MysticTransittrue but the problem is the R clearly can't handle being the only local line in Queens Boulevard especially if they have to divert some of the express trains to the local track anyways so at that point they should have just put in the G in place of the missing M even if it's just rush hours only for the time being I'd rather have something to help with the local then nothing at all
this service change with the F/M lines did help me with getting a 100% of an R train going to manhattan but the amount of transfers gonna be crazy, especially at Jackson Heights ☠
there's actually a white sign at Queens plaza on the Queens bound track
I wanted to be one of the first ones to say…have a good day Mystic! :)
As for what you we’re talking about the MTA de-interlining, I think it can work. Give it some time though ;)
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We are definitely in agreement on this one. I firmly believe that QBL Express trains should NOT be on the same track as QBL local trains.
Furthermore, demand for Lex-53rd is higher than demand for Lex-63rd. It makes sense for all QBL Express trains to serve the former to ease overcrowding from the 7 and G lines.
Why exactly do they have to close 63 st line for SIX(ish) MONTHS to replace tracks?
"Sort of" is right. MTA did a smart move for the most part of the F and M swap. De-interlining is just the beginning, even if its temporary until the construction is done. However they have long ways to go of doing that if the passengers need to get from point A to B and/or alternative options always require additional timing. This is not easy to do, but something has to work since the system catching up on new technologies and out of the old post-war analong systems. May have to be now rather than later.
The main question is, would F service replace M service during late nights and weekends when the M is cut back? And if so, will it run local or express if it did? That's my only question
F train Should stay permanently on 53 street and M train at 63 Line coming from local line at 36 street.
I disagree due to congestion on the line
Why don’t they run the G to Forest Hills while the M cannot go into Queens like before April 2010?
I think it shouldn't be a swap ...I love how fast I get to 63rd street & Lexington from Queens ...I get off transfer to the Q to 96 & I'm home...I was so upset the other night it was local & went through 53rd street tunnel
The G train needs to be brought back to Queens Blvd.
This is only temporary, due to o rebuilding at the 63rd street line. If the MTA do the queens link with connecting the queens Blvd line to the Rockaway line, then the change would be permanent since the M would need to occupy the 63rd street line and the new queens link in providing the service past Essex 24/7
To increase service for the 63rd Street Reconstruction, the G should take the M’s place on Queens Boulevard. Once reconstruction is finished, the F and M swap should be made permanent, and the G should take the M’s place during weekends, and the R’s during late nights.
For the rest of the system, I would have the B/D run via 4th Avenue Express and West End (B terminates at Bay Parkway while the D continues on to Coney Island) while the N/R run via 4th Avenue Local (N via Sea Beach, R to Bay Ridge-95th) and the J and Q running via Brighton (Q via express to Coney Island, J via Local to Ocean Parkway).
The W will run via a brand new tunnel under the East River to connect to the Fulton Street line, with the A and C running express (A to the Rockaways, C to Lefferts) while the W runs local to Euclid Avenue.
Better idea all BMT broadway to Fulton street local, nassau street trains to 4th ave local, 4th ave express trains to 6th ave express simple
Dope info bro wow
Appreciate it
@@MysticTransitwell The MTA pulled A True April's Fools Joke As After April Fools They Pulled A Middle Finger To Us Poor Oldheads And Welcome Back Queens Plaza And 36th Street
The F and M swap definitely makse sense. The only problem it poses is that then everybody using local stops has no service to Court Sq - 23rd st without transferring one stop at queens plaza. There are people who make this transfer daily, either to the 7 or G and only being able to take the R to the E or F instead of having direct service via the M (which was the case before August 23rd) would make it significantly more challenging. Ultimately, i think the reduction in express delays is worth inconveniencing local service to Court Sq. I really just wish the G could terminate at Queens Plaza or even Forest Hills - 71st Ave but I don't think this would pe possible due to the problems it faced in the 90s, even with the addition of CBTC signalling.
I mean you could just take a G to Court Sq to the EF platforms and then transfer again to a local at Jackson heights
But if we ever was to get QBL fixed and make it easy to use, we could make 36 St an express station and make a transfer at Queens Plaza to Queensboro Plaza which would mean rebuilding Queensboro Plaza to have a bigger hub area to allow for the new transfer
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You know what I had to say with the F shuttle, thing?
“Just call yourself the *V* for goodness sake!”
You're never going to fully deinterline the entire system, but for any particular route, reducing the number of other services that it has to interline with should help significantly. The E now has to interline with the F, M, and C, but would only interline with the F and C if the swap is done. The M currently interlines with the R, E, F, and J, but would only interline with the R, F, and J if the swap is done. That's going to speed up service and significantly reduce merging delays.
The biggest issue with swapping the F and the M is that unless you plan to boost M service, the 63rd Street stations are going to be under-served while the 53rd Street Line stations are going to be over-served. And with Lexington Avenue-63rd Street receiving significantly increased ridership thanks to the Second Avenue Subway (and the new cross-platform transfers to the Q), 63rd Street Line riders would balk at such a service cut.
And unless the M is made a 24/7 service, you'd still have to operate the F via 63rd Street on weekends and late nights when the M doesn't run past Essex Street. Which would only result in confusing route patterns for riders (something the MTA would rather not do unless they don't have a choice; it's one thing to route the N via the Montague Street Tunnels instead of via the Manhattan Bridge during late nights since the N isn't skipping any of the stations on its daytime routing, it's another thing to have the F operate via 53rd Street at some times and 63rd Street at others. That would only make things confusing for riders, particularly those who plan on making transfers to the Lexington Avenue Line or are transferring to the Q at Lexington Avenue-63rd Street).
@@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102the late night part is valid, but I think it's silly to imply that 53 St would be over served -- most years, Lex Av-53 St is among the top 10 stations in ridership, and has more ridership than 57 St, Lex/63, Roosevelt Island and 21 St combined.
And only during the rush does the M get drastically less frequent than the F.
Even so, there are solutions to this. Especially since the current choke point at 36 St destroys service on the E/F enough that it might as well be M headways anywho.
@TheLewistownTrainspotter8102 No way would Lex-53rd be overserved if the service change was made permanent. That station is where the busiest subway lines in the city connect. It needs to have as many trains as possible passing through.
The biggest issue with this is that deinterlining means fewer people have one seat rides to their destinations, which study after study has found that people value way, way over operational efficiency.
@@noggin6870 People value it over operational efficiency until they complain about all the delays. Do you give the people what they want or what they need?
yea bring back the pre2001 F train let the M take the 63rd st tunn and roosevelt island
didnt even know the Q was orange. wild times
I used to take the F train from lex and 63rd to Bryant park, coming from the Q on 2ave, now i have to walk to lex and got off on 51th and take the f on 53rd
Oh wow. That must be very difficult to put up with. Boo hoo hoo...
just take the Q to Times Square
Very good
I understand the idea of the F and M swap, but unless the M is running a full route on the weekends and late nights this won’t work, switching the F to 63st at those times is NOT a viable solution in my opinion. I also think having only express trains on 53st (E, F) is a mistake.
Perhaps the MTA can put their money to use and run weekend M service to 21st Street-Queensbridge. Then, simply have an overnight shuttle train to Lex-63rd Street.
@@clbtransit4798that doesn’t seem like a great option to me but I’ll hear it, I think if they could run the M full time on weekends they would already be doing so
@@ianrotheroe2540 They theoretically could, but as of right now, there's no need for it.
However, switching the F to 63rd Street on weekends and during overnight hours isn't viable, like you said.
Where did u get the updated mta map for the F change?
The MTA’s website.
I agree with the (F) and (M) swap only because the (M) already begins in Queens at Metropolitan Avenue - Middle Village.
When the (F) returns to 63rd Street tunnel, return the (M) as Brown (M), and bring back the (V).
That’s not how it works, and there is zero need to bring the Brown M back, especially since that route has had low ridership. As of now the M is staying as a 6th Avenue route.
@@NYC_Pokemon_Fan The 2nd Avenue (M) won't operate via 6th Avenue.
I would restore the Brown (M) as a Weekday only line. The (K) would travel 6th Avenue and CPW with the (B) and (D), and with the (C) to 168th Street. This way, the (B) can be Weekdays Only. Also, the (K) will run with the (M) on Weekdays and replace the (M) on Weekends.
The (Q) will stay on 2nd Avenue after its Broadway operation.
@@NYC_Pokemon_Fan What I would do is go back to DOUBLE LETTERS. The only difference is there's an A series, B series, C series, D series and E series.
Also, if you want to really expand on the Subway system, you'll be forced to slice service to 15 minute headways during Middays and Weekends so that each corridor can accommodate more lines (up to 4 lines on a 2 track corridor, and up to 8 lines on a 4 track corridor).
@@ahmadfrw1 That would be completely impractical, especially since double letters were eliminated in 1985 FOR A REASON.
Also extending lines does not mean that service is restricted to every 15 minutes. You can still run the same level (or even more frequent service) on the extended subway lines with no issue.
I’m starting to think that you have no knowledge or expertise on the subway or NYC in general like you claim.
@TheRailLeaguer You cannot expand on the Subway unless it's double letters or you go to a double digit system replacing the letters.
But why is the "M" not running straight through the 63rd Street tunnel to Forest Hills?
the whole point of the swap was bc of work between 57 and Lex/63 stations
The F has a white sign at Queens Plz, too.
Can I ask where you got the diagram at 0:40 from?
www.vanshnookenraggen.com/_index/docs/NYC_full_trackmap.pdf
Doing something smart and the MTA being said in the same sentence is a bold statement
They should make the G run to Forest Hills because the M already got removed from QBL
0:35: East Harlem at its finest. Without question the worst neighborhood in Manhattan ever.
But anyways I wouldn’t mind if the F and M swapped sections. It works out well when they run the E and F together between Queens and the 53rd Street line in Manhattan
Well, I'm used to the new arrangement as the old arrangement and it makes total sense. F should have never gone to the old R route. Before that, the E and F would go to 5th via 53rd street and the F go via 6th Av and E via 8th Av. The change never should have happened IMO.
3:19 Can someone elaborate on signage usage?
Hi Mystic
Good afternoon.
Isn't the 63rd Street Shuttle have a "S" Program
Depends on the program the crews select. There are multiple.
Will the M run express?
Nope.
How about throw The M onto 96 2nd Ave or send them to 21st St., QueensBidge
Both are not good ideas, if QBL needs 4 lines then give them the 4 lines they need but make sure it's one half is 6 av while the other is 8 av, also don't put any other lines other than the N to 96 St as that is interlining
Opinions don’t matter if they don’t agree with me lol that’s cool 😂
Anyways, I’m not sure that they’re keeping this permanent just because people are gonna want options along 53rd, not two expresses. Yes the signs are in black since that is the main route for now, let’s not forget F train announcements keep saying “via the E line”, implying a reroute, permanent routings don’t use that language.
Guy called people in their 30s old heads 😂
In 1990s E F TRAINS IS RUNNING ON 53RD STREET IN 35 YEARS
I actually find this service to be annoying. I find that at the moment a lot of choke points. Especially between court square and queens blvd, and I find it mundane that 3 trains are running locally at the same time on the same track… annoying
You love the word “de-interlining” lol
First🎉 btw amazing video of yours
Thanks! 😁
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New Mic?
Nope, just messed with some settings. Does it sound different?
The F and M should switch cause then the M train can go to 21st on the weekends and late night but the shuttle from 57st
Unfortunately, this service change will not be relevant anymore in 1-2 days.
F trains will soon go back to 63rd, and M trains will go back to 53rd.
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indeed, back to the bottlenecks at 36th street :(
The 63rd street line should not even be on the queens blvd line
Yes, I know that Mr Snarky simply does not care for the opinions of anyone but his own, however some of us old ancient folks do have important points to make. According to some of the You-Tube transit fans, this act is both interlining and de-interlining at the same time! Yikes! It seems that in the video and comments that having the E and F trains traveling along the 53rd Street Tunnel is some kind of revolutionary idea. It's not. Considering that the E and F trains have been traveling down the 53rd Street Tunnels from the 1940's until 2010. No, I was not there on the opening day of the Sixth Avenue Subway, I had school to attend. Had anyone in the comments considered just why the MTA CHOOSE to have F trains traveling along the 63rd Street Tunnel? Transit fans at the time screamed and cried about that also, drawing up plenty of maps of what they would do different, and according to them what the MTA just had to implement immediately. Could rerouting the F-train have something to do with the over-crowdef platforms along 53rd Street where several folks fell to their deaths? Yes. Could it have something to do with actually using the "Tunnel To Nowhere" that was a part of aborted Queens Super-Express route of the mid-1970's city fiscal crisis? Yes. Could it have something to do with the MTA really wanting a second useful pathway to Queens, especially when there are severe delays and train trouble along 53rd Street? Yes. Would you believe that the online transit fan community in the pre-Internet days of dial-up modems of the early1980's lost their collective minds when it was suggested, just suggested that the G-train might not travel along the Archer Avenue line? You really should have been around when the D-Train was diverted off of the McDonald Avenue line, every transit fan with their magic marker maps threw a such a hissy fit. In your own video, you note a sign that talks about congested stairways and pathways - and not once considered just why that sign exists. The MTA has plenty of round F-train stickers that can easily be applied and removed. This ancient soul expects that there will be more snarky quips, and dirty asides. Peace.
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I think it’s a good change
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This should stay permanent 😅
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A proper metro should operate with a frequency of nothing less than six minutes, or ten trains per hour. Where I'm from, we have a train every three minutes, and it serves a metro region of two and a half million people. A train every twenty minutes for a grade separated metro serving some of the highest density in North America is beyond pathetic.
As a frequent (F) train rider to my job, the pre-2001 pattern will help improve (F) service by 100%, especially with Queens Blvd. I always hated all the switching the (F) and (M) lines had to do between Queens Plaza and 36th Street, the new/old service pattern would make everything way simpler with that.
Along with this, I feel that the switch can help the (M) come out of the (E) and (F)'s shadow a little more since it would have a new area where it's running entirely by itself (other than the area between Metropolitan Avenue and Myrtle Avenue) and it could also extend the line to make it run into Midtown Manhattan (or even QBL) all 7 days of the week.
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I personally think that the F & M train crossover should be permanent and Transit should just let the E & F trains run together along 53rd street all the way into Queens and when all the work is done have the M-train run through the 63rd street tunnel and eventually merge with the R-train in queens but of course the M & R trains were already doing that [running together in Queens] this way you knockout the heartache of having certain trains have to sit and wait to go through the already congested 36th Street Junction, here is what the formula needs to be and should’ve been a long time ago: E & F trains along 53rd Street through 53rd Street East River Tunnels into Queens, M-trains through 63rd Street East River Tunnels into queens where it’ll then merge with the R-train as it did before and once they merge M & R trains continue to run on the local tracks though Queens to Forest Hills while E & F trains continue to run on the Express tracks through Queens until they reach Jamaica QNS, It just makes a lot more sense for Transit to do it that way and hopefully they will.
This is only until the 63rd St tunnel gets fix. So don’t get your high hopes on having the F & M trains in these spots permanently. That’s only just to sooth your embarrassments 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Admit it, you're fumbling
Fumbling in this context means a person who doesn't care about the system and to make it faster either for a few foamer points or self satisfaction
Example: the guy sending the C to Lefferts without making it express and not rebuilding everything past Euclid is a fumbler