Why are the jet-engines placed there? Wings vs Tail

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  • čas pƙidĂĄn 24. 05. 2018
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    Have you ever wondered why some aircraft have their engines mounted under the wings while others mount them at the back of the fuselage?
    In this video I will dive into the MANY different reasons there are for aircraft manufactures to choose one design over the other.
    I will also tell you some of my Boeing handling secrets as well as crucial knowledge about super-stalls and other nasty stuff.
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  • @MentourPilot
    @MentourPilot  Pƙed 4 lety +115

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    • @kamilpawel9606
      @kamilpawel9606 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      And why are some Boeings have the engines in the wrong place and they fall down from the sky last 3 years😀

    • @bigdofba
      @bigdofba Pƙed 4 lety +1

      Which did you prefer to fly?

    • @Ugly_German_Truths
      @Ugly_German_Truths Pƙed 4 lety +1

      Why did wingroot engines like with the comet go out of style? Or bottom of the plane installations ala the planned american Concorde competitor SST?
      In military planes they seem to work pretty well. Are there concerns with the available room for payloads or maybe regarding crashing?

    • @richy77g99
      @richy77g99 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Thank you ! This question seriously bugged me for some time, ha. I would see planes with the engines off the fuselage and wonder how there could be such a big difference in engineering between jets. I mean one would have to be the clear winner for performance, economy etc. I guess the answer is complex. It would seem to me that the foreign object damage issue you mentioned. Would make the back mounted engines a far superior design, except from potentially making stall situations worse. Hmmm. In any case I really appreciate the video. Awesome job

    • @spacewitchvulcan
      @spacewitchvulcan Pƙed 3 lety +1

      I hear home. Are ye a bit Irish?

  • @chanman819
    @chanman819 Pƙed 2 lety +120

    For regional and executive jets, the tail-mounted engines also means the aircraft doesn't need much ground clearance, which makes air stair design much simpler, and a useful feature for many of the smaller airports both types fly out of.

  • @DarylMT
    @DarylMT Pƙed 6 lety +1063

    "The reversers could throw up loads of gravel and S-H-I-T from the ground" Is that a pilot technical term? lol

  • @edgarguinartlopez8341
    @edgarguinartlopez8341 Pƙed 3 lety +369

    Hi, thanks for the video. However, there is a notable advantage of the rear-mounted design over the wing-mounted design that I wish to add. The wing design is much simpler, resulting in a stronger, lighter, and aerodynamically better wing. Even being small, the under-wing engine produces some aerodynamic interference on the wing at high angles of attack. In addition, part of the flaps are directly in the path of the engine blast, which makes complex its design. Also, the airflow under the wing must be slower than the airflow over it to be effective (as you know), and the engine blast makes the opposite effect on the part of the wing affected by its trajectory even at higher speeds, at lower is worse. Another undesirable effect of under wing engines is that they produce huge torsional forces in the wing structure during accelerations and decelerations, such as when using the reversers making even complex it design. Just observations, and sorry the long message. Thanks again.

    • @PlymouthNeon
      @PlymouthNeon Pƙed 3 lety +17

      wonder if that's why McDonnell Douglas successfully got away with never redesigning the DC9 wing and only making stretched variants, because the wings were apparently efficient as-is.

    • @MultiClittle
      @MultiClittle Pƙed rokem +3

      @@PlymouthNeon "got away with" sounds like they *should have* but didnt redesign them. but as you say, they didnt need to bc they had a decent design already.

    • @mostafakarandi363
      @mostafakarandi363 Pƙed rokem +4

      Edgar you are supposed to be an aviation designer or something similar very nice comments you had . thank you

    • @edgarguinartlopez8341
      @edgarguinartlopez8341 Pƙed rokem +14

      ​@@mostafakarandi363 Hi
 I wish! But I®m not... sorry for that. I®m an industrial designer specialized in the field of machinery construction... I have some experience in sugar cane harvesters and bikes manufacturing. However, airplane construction is my passion, so I spent my last 24 years trying to understand that. As result I was invited to do some 3D analysis about nose cowling aerodynamics, cabin structure and ergonomics in a light aircraft project designed by an aeronautical engineer friend of mine (A great opportunity for me). That aircraft is almost finished and waiting for final approvals to perform its maiden flight. For that project my friend was invited to Oshkosh Air Venture; quite an honor of course
 It is my hope to be able to design and build my own light aircraft someday :)

    • @PauloSergioMDC
      @PauloSergioMDC Pƙed rokem

      Dunno about lighter. Without the engine counteracting aerodynamic forces, the wing is, in fact, stiffer and heavier.

  • @jacktion1546
    @jacktion1546 Pƙed rokem +22

    I was incredibly nervous my first time flying alone. I happened to be sitting next to a pilot, who noticed I was nervous and decided to tell me about the physics of flight and gave me a general sense of the systems in place on a jet. One of the things he told me was that if the engines failed, planes with wing-mounted engines were very good at gliding, while planes with rear-mounted engines were not.

    • @overcomingobstaclescreates1695
      @overcomingobstaclescreates1695 Pƙed rokem

      Those aboard BA009 in 1982 can attest to this.

    • @tedarcher9120
      @tedarcher9120 Pƙed 5 měsĂ­ci

      That doesn't make sense. Tail engined aircraft have a cleaner wing

    • @Sagan_Starborn
      @Sagan_Starborn Pƙed 4 měsĂ­ci +2

      @@tedarcher9120 It is about their centre of gravity, and the location of their aero surfaces. A T-Tail plane has stabilisers way off the line of mass and so have an outsized torquing moment.

    • @tedarcher9120
      @tedarcher9120 Pƙed 4 měsĂ­ci

      @@Sagan_Starborn how does that affect gliding though? Stabilisers are producing downward torque anyway to compensate lift, if anything T-tais have lower drag because they need smaller tails

    • @jacktion1546
      @jacktion1546 Pƙed 4 měsĂ­ci +1

      @@tedarcher9120 It’s about weight distribution.

  • @MagMan4x4
    @MagMan4x4 Pƙed 6 lety +2165

    "gravel and shit from the ground" LOL I laughed

    • @noisycarlos
      @noisycarlos Pƙed 6 lety +42

      Made me look, lol.

    • @HelloKittyFanMan.
      @HelloKittyFanMan. Pƙed 6 lety +155

      Haha, yeah, because this guy seems too refined to say "shit," huh? LOL!

    • @philippeschouten
      @philippeschouten Pƙed 6 lety +110

      I had to play that back a couple of times to make sure

    • @Lokrion
      @Lokrion Pƙed 6 lety +245

      That shit would definitely hit the fan

    • @Jokalido
      @Jokalido Pƙed 6 lety +26

      I was going to write the same!

  • @Schtuperfly
    @Schtuperfly Pƙed 5 lety +236

    Also, high mounted engines coast better in water landings and can be destroyed by ice coming off the wings.

    • @Schtuperfly
      @Schtuperfly Pƙed 3 lety +25

      Well there was a case of a tail engine Mcdonald Douglas that had the engines die of ice but also there was a A-10 pilot who went off range during training maybe to look at the fresh powder in the mountains because he was a avid skier who I therefore suspect might also have been a unfortunate victim of icing flaking off the wings. The Air Force blamed the kid, very sad.

    • @kamalmanzukie
      @kamalmanzukie Pƙed 3 lety +7

      @@Schtuperfly finish the story!

    • @maxboya
      @maxboya Pƙed 3 lety +3

      @@Schtuperfly not enough detail lol

    • @lukej557
      @lukej557 Pƙed 2 lety +6

      Probably safer for emergency landings on land where the landing gear failed as well

    • @ytstolemyname
      @ytstolemyname Pƙed rokem +2

      But you lose water propulsion ability

  • @enerconfan9138
    @enerconfan9138 Pƙed 5 lety +452

    "you can mount larger engines under the wing"
    737: Am I a joke to you?

    • @NeonBeeCat
      @NeonBeeCat Pƙed 4 lety +73

      *MAX 8 intensifies*

    • @jjtamuyao
      @jjtamuyao Pƙed 4 lety

      @@NeonBeeCat OMFG. đŸ€Ł

    • @Riasat202
      @Riasat202 Pƙed 4 lety

      LOL

    • @elcapitanyandel
      @elcapitanyandel Pƙed 4 lety +7

      Yep then came the MAX 8.. we all know what happened after that

    • @freddyferrillo9704
      @freddyferrillo9704 Pƙed 4 lety +5

      Lol. But he means for the final design. If designed right, you can put as big an engine you want under the wing. Not adding bigger engines after the fact. That's what Boeing did to the 737.

  • @paulmurray3837
    @paulmurray3837 Pƙed rokem +12

    I am not a pilot, but I used to fly quite a lot as a passenger. I always felt that the DC9 and 727 had cleaner wings and handled low-level / low-speed turbulence and cross winds better than planes with wing mounted engines. I do miss the 727, I loved seeing the stacks of analog guages as I passed through to my seat.

    • @fredhurst2528
      @fredhurst2528 Pƙed rokem +1

      I was told that the 727 engine configuration is very inefficient, I doubt we will ever see anything like that again.

    • @alvexok5523
      @alvexok5523 Pƙed rokem

      @@fredhurst2528 That may be why the 727s discontinued. They did have quieter cabins than wing engine aircrafts, since the majority of the noise from engines are behind them when a plane is acceleratingforward. You probably may've noticed when lined up for take-off back in the 1980s that the 727 in front of you moving away from you during its runway acceleration, it always sounded louder than the 727 you were in sounded while you accelerated down the runway for take-off, the reason was that the majority of the noise was behind the engines. For the same reason, I'm sure you've noticed that the back section of wing engine planes are always louder than the front half. Anyway, the quiet cabins all the way through wss something good about the 727s, the jist of the noise staying behind the planes

    • @alvexok5523
      @alvexok5523 Pƙed rokem

      Some planes had the rear engines like the DC9s and 727s, some had just wing engines like the 747s, 767s, and present day 777s A330s, and A350s. And some had both such as the DC10s and L1011s (no side rear-engines though, just center tail-engines).
      There were good things about the DC9s and 727s, and the quieter cabins due to all the engines being in back was a reason I liked them, see my above reply. I have wondered why no wide-bodied long distance aircrafts had the side rear-engines and no wing engines like the 727s

  • @billhughes5489
    @billhughes5489 Pƙed 6 lety +47

    You might mean this site to be a mentor for budding pilots but I am enjoying it immediately. I am a 72 year old retired train driver with an interest in aviation and I find the site to be extremely interesting.

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  Pƙed 6 lety +5

      Great to hear!! Welcome to the channel!

    • @majortom4543
      @majortom4543 Pƙed 6 lety +1

      he sometimes is racist with people who dont work or have the hobby of flying. We also like watching the videos you know? And i understand everything he says.

    • @algrayson8965
      @algrayson8965 Pƙed 6 lety +5

      Major Tom - What does racism have to do with technical interest?

    • @majortom4543
      @majortom4543 Pƙed 6 lety +1

      Al grayson You tell me! I just know im here to learn about aviation and really like Mentour Pilots videos, but sometimes he makes bad comments about us. (people who havent ever piloted a plane)

    • @mikehook4830
      @mikehook4830 Pƙed 6 lety +5

      MT: based on what appears to be the intent of your comment, "racist" is probably not the correct term. "critical" might be more along the line of what you intended.

  • @neilharper6317
    @neilharper6317 Pƙed 6 lety +59

    Great podcast, Mentour Pilot! Very concise, comprehensive and engaging. I could not have explained this better myself. See you in the next one!

  • @WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs
    @WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs Pƙed 5 lety +15

    The Russian IL-62 T-Tail aircraft had saw tooth leading edges to stop wing tip stall and therefore super stall. The wing tip functioned as a sort flying wing due to the sweep. The VC10 and iL62 were the only aircraft that did not enter into a super stall. This was primary due to adequate sweep providing a downward pitch, saw tooth leading edges and fences and a little from the stub wing effect of the rear engines. Rear engine aircraft also were prone to engine stall and often had 'autolight' for the engines.

  • @myautobiography9711
    @myautobiography9711 Pƙed rokem +2

    As an automobile enthusiast all my life and having majored in engineering, it is also very, very interesting to read every comment in the great debate of the location of the engine on an aircraft as well. Especially, I love learning about the pros and cons for each location of the engines, in terms of rigidity and aerodynamic flow. Just to point out where exactly it was fun, a specific attack angle in a rear engine aircraft can leave the horizontal stabilizers with significantly less airflow blocked by the wings, which could end up in a super stall.

  • @beboboymann3823
    @beboboymann3823 Pƙed 3 lety +10

    Fantastic! There is a reason why you consistently have huge numbers of viewers and thumbs up. You teach us about interesting things in a relaxed manner. Love your vids.

  • @Stings2pee
    @Stings2pee Pƙed 6 lety +55

    I saw an episode of Mayday where a plane with rear-mounted engines crashed after the pilot forgot to turn on the de-icing system, allowing ice to form on the wings. When the pilot realized his mistake and turned on de-icing, ice chunks broke off the wings and got ingested by the rear engines, causing them to fail.

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  Pƙed 6 lety +34

      Yes, this is another downside of rear-mounted engines.

    • @IroAppe
      @IroAppe Pƙed 4 lety +1

      Engines can fail because of ice? Really? They are so hot and they shoot them with chickens to test them, but they are not able to ingest ice without failing? That’s really a let-down. I hope modern engines have fixed that problem.

    • @beardyface8492
      @beardyface8492 Pƙed 3 lety +11

      @@IroAppe They're not so hot at the front, & the fan doesn't like being hit by solid objects, blades tend to break, get ingested, & break others deeper inside. There's a limit to the size of ice chunks you can make them strong enough to survive, even with the best modern engines.

    • @SynchronizorVideos
      @SynchronizorVideos Pƙed rokem +7

      @@IroAppe Snow or small hailstones are one thing; a big chunk of ice coming off the wing of a plane moving at hundreds of miles per hour is a whole other animal.

  • @OvidiuHretcanu
    @OvidiuHretcanu Pƙed 4 lety +20

    13:21 "over-explanation"?! ... that's the very reason why we are on your channel!

  • @modspell
    @modspell Pƙed 3 lety +13

    GingerPilot talks to me like I’m intelligent. Bless his heart.

    • @VlOREL
      @VlOREL Pƙed 2 lety

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  • @RahmanSajid
    @RahmanSajid Pƙed 6 lety +67

    Awesome video Petter, hope your week in Stansted has been going *fantastic*

    • @antonomaseapophasis5142
      @antonomaseapophasis5142 Pƙed 6 lety +9

      In English, the word “shit” is beneath the quality of the language you normally use here.
      “Stuff” works.

    • @CustardInc
      @CustardInc Pƙed 6 lety

      Christ a week at Stansted, can't think of a worse form of torture. I guess Luton

    • @TitaniusAnglesmith
      @TitaniusAnglesmith Pƙed 6 lety +1

      Using occasional profanity makes a person more likable and makes a message more personal. It's good to say shit like that sometimes.

    • @grumpy989
      @grumpy989 Pƙed 6 lety

      I can beat that. How about a week in Glasgow, not only the same depressing Travelodge, but a depressing city overall

    • @jecammer
      @jecammer Pƙed 5 lety

      Antonomase Apophasis one slip of the tung earns a lecture from you? Even the penguins at my Catholic school would only give you a stern look, the first time.

  • @thebaze
    @thebaze Pƙed 5 lety +184

    Very interesting video, thanks. You missed a important point though: The body of airplanes with back mounted engines can be placed lower, so many of those planes have their own stair to enter at the front. This gives more flexibility at smaller airports or airports far off with no big infrastructure. The Boeing 737 had very small engines in earlier versions for the same reasons, and then they had big problems placing the new and bigger engines below the wing for the NG/MAX. That's why they are oval and not round at the front.

    • @younusnishat6594
      @younusnishat6594 Pƙed 5 lety

      Gv

    • @WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs
      @WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs Pƙed 5 lety +2

      The 737 engines could also be serviced by a technician standing next to the engine.

    • @AaaaNinja
      @AaaaNinja Pƙed 5 lety +5

      Sounds like you've been watching a lot of youtube. In fact, doesn't this guy have another video explaining exactly this?

    • @lofficer11
      @lofficer11 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      Cannot be placed lower than wing mounted. He has covered your topics

    • @ejetramos9886
      @ejetramos9886 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      @thebase and @william he has a video exactly stating that...
      welcome to the Mentour Channel

  • @AdrianGalli
    @AdrianGalli Pƙed rokem +2

    I’ve asked this question before and usually get “all planes handle differently” which is obvious but doesn’t actually answer the questions about engine position. Thanks for some great information.

  • @websurfin9575
    @websurfin9575 Pƙed 4 lety +15

    This pilot is really great. Love all his vids! Flying on the Boeing 717 is allot of fun as it brings back memories from years ago when flying on many DC-9 fan-jets!! Please keen these vids coming!!

  • @petec6690
    @petec6690 Pƙed 3 lety +15

    I've always enjoyed the ride of a T-Tail over the traditional config. However, I never knew, or realized, that a stall can affect the T-Tail and lose control. Thank you.

    • @hifinsword
      @hifinsword Pƙed 2 lety +1

      The Delta wing can also blank out the air over a more traditional tail, not only a T-tail. The A-4 Skyhawk was such a jet. Get the AOA too high and you get into a Super Stall. Without enough altitude, it's impossible to recover from it.

    • @lollipopjuggs
      @lollipopjuggs Pƙed rokem

      Cant this also stall the turbines?

    • @theguy9208
      @theguy9208 Pƙed rokem

      Easy solution. Dont stall

  • @g.g.2211
    @g.g.2211 Pƙed rokem +4

    4 years after publication, it’s absolutely fantastic how much you have improved your presence and storytelling on video. What a pilot! ❀

    • @AaronOfMpls
      @AaronOfMpls Pƙed rokem +1

      And yet even then, he still wasn't bad. 😎

    • @eekee6034
      @eekee6034 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@AaronOfMpls He's not bad in this one, (apart from a little problem with mic levels,) perhaps because he's enthusiastic about it, but he has since learned to be really good. :)

  • @LiamRobinson
    @LiamRobinson Pƙed 4 lety +186

    Some shake your stick
    Others push your stick away
    Airbus just unplugs your stick and tells you to go sit in the corner.

  • @Losingsince
    @Losingsince Pƙed 4 lety +11

    3:58 that’s the old Tacoma Narrows Bridge that fell in the 1940s. I frequently drive on the new one

  • @Venator77
    @Venator77 Pƙed 6 lety +50

    A disadvantage of rear mounted engines is that in cold weather, an improperly deiced wing could cause ice to get ingested in the engines and damage them, like what happened to one SAS flight that crashed on takeoff a while back.

    • @freddan6fly
      @freddan6fly Pƙed 3 lety +1

      The Gottröra disaster on flight 751, 1991.

  • @emaildenis
    @emaildenis Pƙed 6 lety +9

    always learning something new from you, nice one!

  • @nathanmcgowan659
    @nathanmcgowan659 Pƙed 5 lety +3

    Just wanted to tell you that I have loved airplanes and flight all my life and greatly appreciate all the information you share in your videos.

  • @janedoe9940
    @janedoe9940 Pƙed 5 lety +10

    Thanks so much for this video! It should be part of the Kerbal Space Program tutorials, as I finally understood why my little plane with back-mounted rocket engines tends to nose-dive :) Now it's all so much clearer! You are a great instructure !

  • @amalrajthomas4157
    @amalrajthomas4157 Pƙed 5 lety +5

    Your videos are very informative and interesting. I love them. Please keep up the amazing work.

  • @williamthethespian
    @williamthethespian Pƙed 6 lety +26

    Excellent. Thank you. (subscribed)

    • @osemekeugbo999
      @osemekeugbo999 Pƙed 6 lety +4

      Welcome to one of the best channels on youtube. I promise you won't be disappointed!

  • @wendellbrown8030
    @wendellbrown8030 Pƙed rokem +8

    Thank you for making these videos ! They are always informative and entertaining. Also, very educational ! 👍

    • @marty639
      @marty639 Pƙed rokem

      Its not an Like an aticathera mechanism they use topel the aircraft. Come on!

  • @Azajndo
    @Azajndo Pƙed 4 lety +4

    after a really bad turbulence I found your channel... excellent content Sir, you got a subscriber.

  • @ahmetturk1903
    @ahmetturk1903 Pƙed 6 lety +10

    I learn valuable info from this video. thank you soooooooo much for sharing your knowledge.

  • @raptorv77
    @raptorv77 Pƙed 5 lety +42

    Excellent video!! I want to add that an advantage of rear mounted engines is a more clean wing, which is more efficient in terms of aerodynamics, resulting in a lower fuel consumption for the same engine placed in the wing.

    • @dimsumdki526
      @dimsumdki526 Pƙed 5 lety

      are you have to research about this before ? cause in this video doesnt discuss about the advantages from fuel consumption.

    • @dimsumdki526
      @dimsumdki526 Pƙed 5 lety

      even, the rear engine must has piping line fuel for get it. and it should be make the consumtion of engine higher than wing engine. cause need help a pumping system for distribute the fuel from wings to engine.

    • @thegreenbastard5171
      @thegreenbastard5171 Pƙed 5 lety +1

      The wing without engines mounted on them are more aerodynamically efficient BUT the MD80 to MD88 series of jets are serious gas guzzlers!

    • @rpvermeulen
      @rpvermeulen Pƙed 5 lety

      @The Green Bastard That could very well be because they have much smaller fans than today’s high bypass engines that would not fit on the fuselage - as explained in the video. Inefficiency somehow seems to be a conserved quantity.

  • @oilczar
    @oilczar Pƙed 5 lety +6

    Interesting note about low mounted intakes, the Soviet/Russian MiG-29 was designed with intake doors which block debris by dropping down to allow intake from the louvres above the nacelles, facilitating operation from rudimentary or potentially damaged fields.

  • @abebuenodemesquita8111
    @abebuenodemesquita8111 Pƙed 3 lety +11

    4:19 "thats not good"
    is it just me or is that a bit of an understatement

    • @timmiser
      @timmiser Pƙed 3 lety

      He kinda left off the part that the fire was engulfing the fuel tank!

    • @vmiller475
      @vmiller475 Pƙed 3 lety

      Thank you! Was thinking why isn't anybody commenting on that?!

  • @luiscalderon3939
    @luiscalderon3939 Pƙed 6 lety +4

    Excellent video, good explanation.....you are a great pro.

  • @bsadewitz
    @bsadewitz Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Oh, thank God. This is one of those things that I have wondered about for years but kept forgetting to look up. Thank you.

  • @jjcadman
    @jjcadman Pƙed rokem +2

    Great explanations; thank you! 👍

  • @vrintsvideos7322
    @vrintsvideos7322 Pƙed 6 lety +3

    As always, great video!

  • @Amuserr
    @Amuserr Pƙed 5 lety +4

    Very enlightening. Thanks

  • @scottgorman7166
    @scottgorman7166 Pƙed 5 lety

    MP, very informative video, thanks for sharing your experience

  • @Longfordmuse
    @Longfordmuse Pƙed 2 lety +5

    Fascinating explanation and so clearly expressed.

  • @kellingtonlink956
    @kellingtonlink956 Pƙed 6 lety +4

    Something I’ve thought about (working as a refueler). Quite interesting. I always thought it was style based and never really considered the pros and cons. Thanks.

  • @user-fn1xm3pq6t
    @user-fn1xm3pq6t Pƙed 4 lety +17

    Mentour: large fans on the 737
    GE9X: A 737 fuselage can fit inside inside of me and so can the engine!

  • @PrateekRSrivastava
    @PrateekRSrivastava Pƙed 4 lety +3

    1. With time, aircraft needed bigger fans to higher propulsion. But engines on the wings have limited space because of ground clearance. Hence, they either fitted more engines on the wings or fit a bigger engine at the back.
    2. Engines on the wings help counter wings flutter/vibration. See 3:30
    3. In case of a fire in the engines, an engine on mounted on the wings help since it is separated from the main body of the aircraft.
    4. The most noise comes from the exhaust of the engine. Separating it from the main body helps you sleep well when you're in the main cabin.
    5. In case one of the under-mounted engines failed, it will add a non-zero torque and try to spin the aircraft about its center of mass. Hence, a larger Rudder is required compared to a back-mounted engine plane.
    6. See 6:20 for Thrust-Pitch correct to keep the altitude stable/constant.
    7. Engines at the back also help in the noise correction for a quieter cabin.
    8. Charter planes have back-mounted engines because their smaller size may cause the engine to suck foreign objects like little grain or stone or grass in the surroundings.
    9. See 8:40, the aircraft can use back-mounted engines to pull itself back without needing a tractor. Boeing 717 is a classic example. It's risky since you don't have a rearview mirror. And it can also suck foreign objects from the surrounding.
    10. For back-mounted engines, a stronger structure is required at the back because it is further away from the center of mass. And yes, more piping to pump the fuel to hit.
    11. See 11:30, back-mounted engines require T-tail to avoid "super stall". Like Boeing 717.
    Thank you!

    • @jennyjohn704
      @jennyjohn704 Pƙed rokem

      Your first point is wrong. You can't fit bigger engines onto the rear of the plane, because they would be too heavy and take the centre of gravity too far back. Also, the structure of the plane couldn't take the weight.

  • @ytugtbk
    @ytugtbk Pƙed rokem

    Excellent explanation. Of all the aircraft I've flown in as a passenger, my fondest memories from a performance standpoint has been the MD-80. Loved the immediate throttle response and the clean swept look of the wing.

  • @epicspacetroll1399
    @epicspacetroll1399 Pƙed 6 lety +12

    I remember once reading a silly paragraph on Wikipedia about it. It said something like "Being attached to the tail gives fewer points of structural failure that could separate the engine from the aircraft. With wing mounted engines the wing can separate or the engine can separate. With tail mounted engines only the engine can separate."
    That is what convinced me to get an account to edit the wiki because seriously what pilot is going to be saying "oh no! My engine" when the whole wing fell off?

    • @Froot99
      @Froot99 Pƙed 6 lety +1

      EpicSpaceTroll 139 You’re fucked either way if your wing or tail breaks off 👀

    • @harleyme3163
      @harleyme3163 Pƙed 6 lety +4

      nope... the hardpoints that fasten the engine are the same on any position, its on a captured rail so it can be easily slide out to perform maintenance... funny they don't take into account the tail is actually less heavily built then the wings.. the wings hold the entire weight of the plane in the air.. tail just acts as a stabalizer, it creates no lift lol .. wikipedia for ya... me, I build aircraft hehe

    • @epicspacetroll1399
      @epicspacetroll1399 Pƙed 6 lety

      Yep. That's part of why I thought the paragraph on Wikipedia was so ridiculous. :P

    • @hackish1
      @hackish1 Pƙed 6 lety

      For anyone who has ever seen how much material is in an engine pilon, or the structural members attaching the wing, it would be the least of my worries.

  • @MotoGreciaMarios
    @MotoGreciaMarios Pƙed 5 lety +5

    I loved the stick pusher info on T-tailed planes. Made me remember that even the F-104 fighter (a t-tailed plane) also had a stick pusher.

    • @joshwithe7468
      @joshwithe7468 Pƙed 4 lety

      Every large aircraft has a stick pusher

    • @maximilliancunningham6091
      @maximilliancunningham6091 Pƙed rokem

      In the F-104, at some point of High AOA, the stubby wings, would start to shunt the
      airflow to the T-Tail. a departure becomes imminent, and hence the shaker.

  • @JP_Stone
    @JP_Stone Pƙed 5 lety

    That was good knowledge. Interesting stuff. Thanks Capt.

  • @i.k.7485
    @i.k.7485 Pƙed 4 lety

    I love your explanations, clear and concise, do keep up the great vids!!!!

  • @wizbangIWD
    @wizbangIWD Pƙed 6 lety +238

    Very educational video and your English is excellent by the way !

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  Pƙed 6 lety +28

      Thank you! I do my best!

    • @nathanblades3395
      @nathanblades3395 Pƙed 6 lety +3

      Yes it really is

    • @filiphusek
      @filiphusek Pƙed 6 lety +4

      May learn to use word FUSELAGE one day too.

    • @philinator71
      @philinator71 Pƙed 6 lety +7

      I thought he was a native English speaker. đŸ˜Č

    • @F-Man
      @F-Man Pƙed 6 lety +5

      Yes, your English is basically perfect. You’re Swedish, no? I don’t think you’ve ever actually told us where you’re from - or perhaps I just haven’t seen that.

  • @c21001175
    @c21001175 Pƙed 6 lety +27

    *Aaaaaabsoluuutely Fantaaastic*

  • @muzam99
    @muzam99 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    I really liked your detailed explanation about the aircraft engine, and your explaination was so simple and clear and it was perfect and you made me understand in a single video. Thank you. Keep going...

  • @kwasiboakye9891
    @kwasiboakye9891 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Thanks for the explanation. I actually thought it was just to differentiate between the aircrafts.

  • @herbertajoki
    @herbertajoki Pƙed 5 lety +5

    Pilot you are very brilliant man

  • @madmike8v72
    @madmike8v72 Pƙed 5 lety +3

    Excellent video! Very informative, thank you!

  • @bobanundson9247
    @bobanundson9247 Pƙed rokem +2

    When working for Boeing in 1966 I asked why the engines we moved on the wing 737. The plane could be lighter because it would be a counterbalance since the wing holds the weight of the total airplane.

  • @europaeuropa3673
    @europaeuropa3673 Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Great video and extremely informative.

  • @Zan0s
    @Zan0s Pƙed 6 lety +305

    I passed my PPL today! :D

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  Pƙed 6 lety +47

      Congratulations!! Welcome up in the sky as commander!

    • @Zan0s
      @Zan0s Pƙed 6 lety +15

      Mentour Pilot Thank you so much. I love your videos.

    • @ShayneSpackman
      @ShayneSpackman Pƙed 6 lety +8

      Zan0s Congratulations! Getting my PPL was one of the funnest, most rewarding things I've ever done. How about you? Terrifying, to have that final check-ride, especially when you realize in the air that your instructor forgot to train you in one particular maneuver and now you're being tested on it. In my case I had to do a full slip down to the 500' markers and come within tolerances. Managed to do it though on my first try. I told my check-ride lady that I hadn't been trained on that before I did it too! She looked nervous and she squirmed right before I straightened her back out, but I'm pretty sure that helped me with the PPL at the end. :)

    • @shivan4627
      @shivan4627 Pƙed 6 lety +2

      All the best

    • @rezzielibiran3617
      @rezzielibiran3617 Pƙed 5 lety +2

      Wish you luck for your flight with captain!

  • @crazytactics3603
    @crazytactics3603 Pƙed 6 lety +231

    Did he just say "shit", when talking about sucking things up from the ground in reverse thrust for the under wing engines? That's hilarious, i dont know why, just unexpected i guess. lol. Love Mentour!

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  Pƙed 6 lety +75

      Haha! Glad I could bring a laugh to you.

    • @markofexcellence5209
      @markofexcellence5209 Pƙed 6 lety +2

      He said sheeeet 😂😂😂😂

    • @robertlee9395
      @robertlee9395 Pƙed 6 lety +6

      It was a "slip" of the tongue! Off the tarmac, on a hot day, after a bad meal!

    • @earlystrings1
      @earlystrings1 Pƙed 6 lety +10

      In most germanic languages (including apparently aviation English), 'shit,' 'Scheisse,' what ever is a very mild expletive, like merde in French. In English it's stronger.

    • @aqimjulayhi8798
      @aqimjulayhi8798 Pƙed 6 lety +7

      That 'shit' caught me off guard and made me repeat and laugh. Love these videos. :D

  • @falafeldurum2095
    @falafeldurum2095 Pƙed 5 lety

    Thanks so much! This video answered all my questions!

  • @kathrynhall1136
    @kathrynhall1136 Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Very relaxing and educational all at the same time .

  • @mgeiger72
    @mgeiger72 Pƙed rokem +3

    I learn something in every one of these videos.

  • @dosmastrify
    @dosmastrify Pƙed 5 lety +171

    1:55 boeing has left the chat

    • @worldwidewonders681
      @worldwidewonders681 Pƙed 4 lety +2

      dosmastrify đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚đŸ€Ł

    • @FixerRC
      @FixerRC Pƙed 4 lety +3

      X Plane mobile Channel umm your channel is infinite flight not x plane mobile ( ‱_‱)

  • @heraldtim
    @heraldtim Pƙed rokem

    This is something I've wondered about for decades. Thank you!

  • @marekmasar5216
    @marekmasar5216 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Thank you for the explanation 🙏

  • @Flies2FLL
    @Flies2FLL Pƙed 6 lety +17

    Nice video! You took it in a hotel on a layover?
    1. One of the main reasons that engines are mounted to wings is that the weight of the engines tends to stabilize the wing. It doesn't so much stop it from bending as it simply adds mass which makes the effect of turbulence less on the structure, which in turn means it can be built lighter. This is the same reason that fuel is carried in the wings. On most aircraft with a center wing tank, the wings are filled first and then the center tank is filled. The reason is that fuel in the center tank does NOT stabilize the wing and in fact causes greater center section flex, so it is detrimental.
    2. Rear mounted engines have their weight attached to the fuselage. Just like center tank fuel, this engine weight contributes to center section spar stress during turbulence or maneuvering. Airplanes with rear mounted engines have to have stronger, heavier wings as a result.
    3. Rear mounted engines give the wing a very clean profile, which greatly contributes to performance. The Boeing 727 was known to be the second fastest airliner ever built after Concorde, yet it's landing speeds were no faster than some turboprops. The rear engine design allowed barn-door sized triple slotted flaps yet the 37 degree sweep and clean design allowed cruise at .90 mach for some models.
    4. Airplanes with rear mounted engines have shorter landing gear, which makes integral air stairs more practical. This is one reason why most private jets have this design.
    5. Airplanes with rear mounted engines look less impressive. Since private jets are typically owned by public corporations, the "cheaper look" is easier to get past shareholders.....
    6. Sure you can mount high bypass ratio engines to the rear of an airplane. Dee Howard had a design to re-engine 727's with two CFM-56's and delete the center engine. Problems? Yes: First of all, this would be a seriously expensive modification to airframes already basically worth their scrap value. But second...The heavy weight of the high bypass engines would make it very difficult to keep the center of gravity within the proper range. This is the reason no manufacturer did this; It is difficult to keep the CG correct and this ruins usability.
    7. Rear mounted engines have very quiet cabins, in comparison the rear end of a 737, which is screaming loud....
    Keep up the good work!

    • @williamgrowiii1244
      @williamgrowiii1244 Pƙed 5 lety

      "Dee Howard", that name brings back some memories. I used to work in those big orange hangars in San Antonio (Of course, by then it was SAA. VT Aerospace now...)

  • @danieldehay5270
    @danieldehay5270 Pƙed 5 lety +114

    ‘Shit from the ground’ 😂😂😂 funny af!

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  Pƙed 5 lety +19

      True though

    • @TheRealBlackYoda
      @TheRealBlackYoda Pƙed 5 lety +6

      The joys of unedited content lol 😂

    • @Newtube_Channel
      @Newtube_Channel Pƙed 5 lety

      Bagram Airfield, Afghanistan

    • @dithperlay3292
      @dithperlay3292 Pƙed 5 lety

      Why is it funny? That’s just reality

    • @slam2610
      @slam2610 Pƙed 5 lety +1

      I was looking for this comment, that moment got me laughing - gotta love Mentour!

  • @mfst100
    @mfst100 Pƙed 2 lety

    I need to say that it accidently answered so many of my childhood questions on differences in built and proportions of planes. Wow. Just like that everything became clear now that I'm almost 42.

  • @geppettocollodi8945
    @geppettocollodi8945 Pƙed 2 lety

    Your videos are always very informative and easy to follow. Thanks.

  • @ozzstars_cars
    @ozzstars_cars Pƙed 5 lety +3

    Excellent info, thanks!

  • @Matticitt
    @Matticitt Pƙed 5 lety +7

    I think airplanes with rear-mounted engines look better. They sit lower on the ground and the T-style stabilizer looks so cool. The 727 and the Tu-154 are beautiful airplanes.

    • @lembasmitspinat-kuerbiscre1270
      @lembasmitspinat-kuerbiscre1270 Pƙed 5 lety

      If at all possible I will never set a foot inside a plane with rear mounted engines ever again :/

    • @frankbuck99
      @frankbuck99 Pƙed 4 lety

      Lembas mit Spinat-Kuerbis Creme yeah, when that engine explodes and takes out the hydraulic lines to the tail, your gonna have a bad day.

  • @schweijk
    @schweijk Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Great explanation, thank you Sir.

  • @rahkinrah1963
    @rahkinrah1963 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    Fascinating! thank you!

  • @petesheppard1709
    @petesheppard1709 Pƙed 6 lety +31

    Back in the '60s, at least one airline (Delta or Eastern) called their DC-9s and 727s 'WhisperJets', making the cabin quietness of the rear-mounted engines a feature. Rear-mounted engines also allowed for simpler, less expensive wing structure.

    • @steve8551
      @steve8551 Pƙed 6 lety +5

      That was the name Eastern Airlines used for their 727s

    • @B4LN
      @B4LN Pƙed 5 lety

      ĐœĐ”ĐłĐž ĐŸĐ±ŃĐŽĐž ĐŒĐž сД ĐœĐ°Đ±Đ»ŃŽĐŽĐ°ĐČĐ°

    • @ashishanand9518
      @ashishanand9518 Pƙed 5 lety +3

      That was eastern airlines but it called it for Lockheed tristar L1011 not for 727 or DC9

    • @ronsrox
      @ronsrox Pƙed 5 lety +1

      Ashish Anand L1011 was a sweet flier.

    • @scottbilger9294
      @scottbilger9294 Pƙed 5 lety

      I was remembering that too.

  • @Mrbfgray
    @Mrbfgray Pƙed 5 lety +3

    Maximizing the necessary weight directly to the lifting surfaces HAS to make good structural sense, you don't need as much extra structure to transmit load to lift area.

  • @lethabrooks9112
    @lethabrooks9112 Pƙed 4 lety

    This is the best explanation on Engines I've seen in a long time!

  • @mohammadayubkhan1921
    @mohammadayubkhan1921 Pƙed rokem

    Thank you for such valuable information.

  • @MrOsasco
    @MrOsasco Pƙed 5 lety +6

    Tail mounting requires heavier structure in the tail. Wing mounting takes advantage of the existing wing structure.

  • @stepbackandthink
    @stepbackandthink Pƙed 5 lety +8

    1:47 as opposed to changing the spark plugs at 30,000 feet.

  • @feelingzhakkaas
    @feelingzhakkaas Pƙed 5 lety +1

    A fantastic explanation in simple way....great ....god bless you sir.

  • @rich1383yt
    @rich1383yt Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Thanks - just discovered your videos. Very concise and clear.

  • @merc340sr
    @merc340sr Pƙed 4 lety +7

    Interesting! T-Tail aircraft look great, but wing mounted engines appear to produce a safer, more stable, more predictable aircraft. ( I am not a pilot.)

  • @tw06le1
    @tw06le1 Pƙed 6 lety +4

    This is very informative.... I sleep though all my flights 😂

  • @thatguygio
    @thatguygio Pƙed měsĂ­cem

    Thanks! I've watched most of your newer stuff, so this was a great find.

  • @tomaviation5245
    @tomaviation5245 Pƙed 3 lety

    I always had a doubt about this topics.Thanks for the answer.

  • @jelenlesni
    @jelenlesni Pƙed 2 lety +6

    9:30 "the reverses would throw loads of gravel and shit from the ground" 😀 Mentour Pilot, you are the best! I had to play this 5x just to make sure you really said that. LOL But seriously, you rock, man. I love the way you explain stuff.

    • @axelode45
      @axelode45 Pƙed rokem

      Haha. "Shit" (or the swedish equivalent: "skit") is much less of a taboo word in Sweden. It almost doesn't even count as a bad word so that's why he said it so casually.

  • @BudKingUK
    @BudKingUK Pƙed 5 lety +163

    "4 engines"
    *youtube subtitles: 4 indians*

    • @mr.communist3906
      @mr.communist3906 Pƙed 4 lety

      I saw that lol

    • @FtwNil
      @FtwNil Pƙed 4 lety +2

      They are race obsessed after all.

    • @user-wd8wx5md5z
      @user-wd8wx5md5z Pƙed 4 lety

      Even for Google, the state-of-the-art speak-to-text model they use is very funny and unreliable.
      Sometimes it is even funnier and write inappropriate obscenity.

    • @handsomechocolatebar276
      @handsomechocolatebar276 Pƙed 4 lety

      in the engine

    • @BudKingUK
      @BudKingUK Pƙed 4 lety

      @@user-wd8wx5md5z I really feel for people depending on them due to disability, it must be a really wtf situation sometimes.

  • @figarogiulini50
    @figarogiulini50 Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Flew a few times between London and Johannesburg in the 70's and always preferred the VC10 to the 707 simply because it was soooo much quieter, besides being a bit faster and more comfortable

  • @MrVDUB819
    @MrVDUB819 Pƙed 5 lety

    I like technical stuff, great video! Thanks!

  • @grr9790
    @grr9790 Pƙed 3 lety +8

    8:47 "they're getting clearance from the ground"
    *van drives past
    *
    me: shocked pikachu face

  • @HenriqueCarneiroM
    @HenriqueCarneiroM Pƙed 6 lety +36

    Rear mounted engine planes also have the advantage of having a lower clearance height from the ground...making boarding and loading cargo less complicated and available with cheaper equipment...”Oh but the 737 has that goal as well” But they had to flatten the nacelle to make it less complicated. However, flying one of those is totally different from a wing mounted engine plane, as you have bigger torque arm acting on the longitudinal axis of the plane.

    • @MentourPilot
      @MentourPilot  Pƙed 6 lety +14

      Correct! I knew I forgot something!!

    • @MiguelOliveira-yb6rq
      @MiguelOliveira-yb6rq Pƙed 6 lety +1

      Also since the aircraft is lower the main gear and nose gear will be shorter thus reducing weight.

    • @hc8714
      @hc8714 Pƙed 6 lety +1

      loading cargo really does not need much equipment and wing mount engines are really not any significant factor, but it is PITA for maintenance and that matters a lot.

    • @sparkplug1018
      @sparkplug1018 Pƙed 6 lety

      Ground clearance of the engine nacelle wasn't an issue until they started mounting high bypass engines on it, the 100 and 200 had no issues at all with that.

    • @lordporcupine8767
      @lordporcupine8767 Pƙed 6 lety

      The 717 F100 airframes are pretty inefficient for lift when operating at high ambient temp compared to 737 A320.

  • @arshgupta7680
    @arshgupta7680 Pƙed 5 lety

    Great video man!! Very educational. I just subscribed!

  • @markhaugland4620
    @markhaugland4620 Pƙed rokem

    very good explanations. Thank you.

  • @tabel4844
    @tabel4844 Pƙed 4 lety +3

    The main reason for the tail mounted design is to reduce ground clearance. This makes boarding easier when a jet bridge isn't available.

  • @funnynickline
    @funnynickline Pƙed 5 lety +3

    it is clear Sir",.👍đŸ’Ș

  • @flynnwhite9767
    @flynnwhite9767 Pƙed 3 lety

    So much interesting information! Answered many questions I had, and a lot more!

  • @konstantinoren412
    @konstantinoren412 Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Thanks great explanation