Thrustmaster T818 Direct Drive Wheel Base Review
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My review of the new direct drive entry from Thrustmaster, their T818.
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Thanks for another excellent video! The biggest takeaway for me is the lack of software customization. I hope they improve this. I understand the appeal of presets, but we should be able to tweak those presets to our liking thereafter.
We definitely should.
Thanks for the killer reviews. You have helped me tremendously throughout my sim rig setup. Keep up the amazing work!!!!
Very kind mate thanks!
I was waiting for this. And even before i watch, thank you for your honest and thorough opinions. Hope you're doing good, given the circumstances
Thank you mate.
Oh my lord the flex. I standby my original comment about them just starting over from scratch and making an optional adapter for older wheels. Even if you don't notice it during a race that doesn't mean it's not happening, with the entire QR being plastic that does not bode well for longevity. Thanks for everything you do Karl, you helped me a lot especially in the beginning of my journey.
By far the most flex seems to come from the wheel itself which has probably a shaft made of far cheaper plastic than the Cf-Nylon and seems the weakest link. Thrustmaster should've released a better wheel with the base for optional purchase and to show what this QR is really capable of. It might me better than the Fanatec QR after all, even that's not a benchmark😛
I wouldn't go anywhere near this wheelbase. Honestly looks terrible.
@@BoosiveFPV I would not say terrible, but it does not seem great as I would have expected for the money. It would have been okay or even great with like 2 wheels specifics for this wheel base, one like round and one formula/GT3 style. CSL DD, came out 2 years (?) or something ago. WAY better and cheaper. FFB noticeable less powerful, ok, but I don't like more than 10 nm average.
Always really interesting and entertaining watching your reviews Karl, I don't think I'll be ditching my CSL DD anytime soon for this one then! Thanks for sharing
No I wouldn't!
So I really enjoyed the video. I wanted to add that I just received my T818 about six days. And I have seen another review that complained about the amount of flex between the wheel and the quick release. Weirdly I don't have any. My quick-release adapter fits tight and it does not move when it's attached to the base. 🤷
This is the first video I’ve seen that this wheel base isn’t recommended. So glad I’m a sub to your channel, your always honest to us and I appreciate it and keep up the great work you do for the sim racing community sir.
No worries!
I just find it incredible that they decided the best way to offer this wheel base was with zero support for any existing mounting patterns, and then to sell an adaptor for another $40 instead of including it. Absolute bloody scam.
Very odd isn't it mate!
Now the only way they will fix that is if on sales no one buys it and sticks together to make them realise.
Agree. I bought mine and it came with the mounting kit. It seems they listen.
I have the SF1000 and love it. So hope a version of comes to consoles
great review karl , good to see you back and looking well
Thanks Jay!
Great video as usual, in Karl we trust 🙌🏻👏🏻
A bit of silicone spray/grease will help that adaptor pull out easier, or just over time from regular use
Good shout!
Thanks for the review Karl. I use it now for a week and enjoy it very much for ACC, AMS2,R3E,AC and DR. Weak point of TM rims is that the screws and bolts loosen after a while, introducing flex. But normally the flex is not bad and not noticable when driving. Price is a bit too high...hopefully the new rims will be priced fair and more sturdy. Cheers.
wich screws and Bolts do you mean?
@@juleze.9795 The six hexagon flat head bolts on the front that you can tighten with an allen key and the 6 screws at the back for most TM wheels (not SF1000). BTW, yesterday I noticed that the T818 QR has some flex if you don't push the lever firmly down...otherwise it may leave a small gap at the right side of the connection..
Thanks for this honest review!
Always!
Also... thanks Karl for checking that the tip of the shaft was vibrating.
Essential in any review mate! lol
Great to see you back Carl 💪🏻
Thanks Ian!
Glad I am not the only other person with the extreme oscillation problem. Several titles I tried worked well, but those that didn't... was a lot of work to smooth it out and it doesn't feel 100%. The original AC was probably the best experience, but it still felt a bit muddy in places where it shouldn't. Just didn't feel all that crisp (if that is a term to be applied to FFB). DiRT Rally 2.0 was really bad out of the box. It was the one where I had the extreme oscillation problem, and even a very small input was translated into extreme swings. It was undrivable. I was able to counteract that with increasing the deadzone to 3 in the DR2.0 control panel, put it to Performance preset in TM control, and then recalibrate it about 4 times. It got the issue under control, but I lost a lot of definition in the FFB and steering was not nearly as precise as I had it with my previous TS-PC. Games like Forza Horizon 4 also exhibited this extreme oscillation and massive input reporting with slight wheel changes. I wonder if this isn't a driver and firmware issue with how it is measuring the vertical/0% angle of the wheel. I'm hoping it is firmware, because if their sensing ability at vertical is not right at the hardware level...
Anyway, not entirely pleased with the performance of this unit for the money paid. The extra it cost to get the secondary base for permanent mounting is another big miss by TM.
Will definitely soon Invest in an upgrade of my T300RS-GT to T818 while waiting for my total Moza ECO replacement stuff.
Been waiting for this one
I was considering buying this base but not anymore. Thanks for the thorough review!
Glad it was helpful!
Pretty sure t818 is just the beginning of the t800 series products and we will probably see more premium wheels and better load cell pedals in near future. Thrustmaster knows they fallen behind. It's gonna be interesting to see what they will realise this year for t818 base. And the flex of the adapter connection is just a temporary solution for buyers to use their old wheels till thrustmaster release the real wheels for t818
Yeah no. Thrustmaster is so far behind they'll be playing catch up to get this up to speed
Good to see you back at it Karl! Any plans to review the PSVR2 with GT7 when it drops this month?
I have no current gen consoles mate so I can't sorry!
No worries Karl, thanks for the response mate!
Honest review.....as you said if you are owner of tm wheels it can be the right choice. I will wait for the console version and meanwhile some updates will hopefully fix the few issues 🤞
Thank you so much Karl. I only play console, so this wouldn’t be something I could use anyway, but if they bring something out for console, I don’t think it’ll be much better than this. Pass from me.
Even though Logitech charges 1K for their wheelbase it does come with
1) A wheel with magnetic shifters
2) a much much better quick release, can’t even compare them, and
3) seemingly a much better driving experience from what reviews tells me.
So that’s where I’m leaning at the moment, maybe I’ll look into Asetek if they make theirs console compatible 😊
Asetek are struggling with even getting contact with Sony and Microsoft so thats a long way off if ever.
@@KarlGosling bummer, but thanks for the reality check 🙃 I might as well just pick something up instead of waiting for the next best thing 👌🏽
Thanks Karl.
Regarding that vibration when on... I've had that with my csl dd a few times when first turned on but after a while it stops. Can't say I've noticed it recently tho.
Shame about the flex on the thrustmaster.
Excellent review Karl. Glad to see you back at your best 👍
Thank you John!
Karl the King - Thanks for another one brother! Having used the TGT models with joy for years before I went Fanatec, this review supports my decision to exit the TM ecosystem albeit it was peak for its time. Hopefully they continue to massage everything and improve the customer’s experience overall. This initial delivery is sadly, not noteworthy, to say it kindly…
In other news, I have “almost” all my upgraded kit in and ready for PSVR2 & GT7… looking forward to your review on that next! Stay Well! Blessings and Cheers!
P.S. You told me you would drill holes if need be - still wow’d that you went forward with it! Ha! That doggone bracket should be in the box… 😢
Thanks mate!
I don't have a PS to try the PSVR2 on :(
Agreed the bracket should be in the box!
thanks finally a reviewer who is not scared to give his opinion between the moza and the Logitech which one would you prefer?
All my Moza hardware has been very cheaply and poorly made so I cannot recommend them, Logitech is expensive and only has one wheel currently... Choice is up to you mate.
@@KarlGosling thanks would like to play Gran Turismo in VR probably Logitech
Looking good,Karl. I will wait for the day thrust master releases the ps5 compatible base so I can easily set it up in XsX, Ps5 and PC. By then they likely have native wheels and refined force feedback. I have the TS-XW with two wheels and modified load cell pedals and works very well in ACC. Thank you for being the clearest and most honest reviewer so far. Maybe I even end getting a Logitech or Fanatec...
Another great video Karl. Shame can't be said about the product though. It's proven that a sturdier and longer shaft is always the best solution.
By the way amazing channel great content great reviews 👍
Glad you enjoy it!
In South Africa we pay an arm and a leg for sim racing gear. Thrustmaster at least is semi represented.
Also on south america, and since fanatec doesnt ship here, everything from them is literally double the price.
Those 4 M6 bolt holes on the T818 designed to be used to attach one of the two mounting brackets available (table mount or rig mount), and not to attach directly to your rig, which is why they have non standard measurements.
With ACC Kunos introduced an additional damping setting with 1.8 which should help mitigate those oscillations. I'd recommend setting it at around 50% and work from there with a DD wheel - assuming you haven't already done so.
It's a shame. I was really hoping this wheelbase was going to be good as I've got a few TM wheels, and I'm not overly happy with my Simucube - it's not consistent enough across titles and some titles just feel bad with it.
shame the mounting brackets are sold seperately, you'd think if it was a requirement it would ship with it.
@@grumpyracer1791Well yeah, but having owned a Simucube trust me when I say everything is extra and costs tearful amounts of money. A 30 or 40 quid bracket is nothing in comparison.
You would have thought with it be a TM product it would be designed to be as plug and play as possible, having to buy extra brackets is an odd one.
I had a vibration issue with GT DD Pro but it happened when the wheel was moving too. I returned two of them and my third did not have the issue
I went from the Logitech G25 to the Trustmaster T-GT2 which I thought would be a revolution but was crushed by it's notchyness. Never been happy with it despite it's solid build quality. Seeing their DD now and it seems to be a dodgy wobbly gamble and trumped by logitech. Never thought I would be returning to logitech but there it is - the G-Pro is in the basket. Keeping the trustmaster tlcm pedals though, lol.
The mount should definitely come as on add on, however it's the same ossilations with fanatec products just to point that out and from using one of these in ACC, there are settings you can use to get rid of it. I do hope they adjust the quick release issue tho, but from experence in ACC ffb is so much better than the fanatec dd.
I was looking at this and the Logitech G Pro wheel, I got the G Pro myself and can honestly say 5.5 to 6.5nm of force is plenty for 90% of people tried the 11nm and after a ew laps I might as well have been hitting the gym lol
What’s weird is that the scrape / grind noise and feeling you mentioned is exactly the same as what my Thrustmaster TX wheelbase does, only stops when I put the wheel dead centre, 1 ‘notch’ left or right and it makes that noise and a really low “buzz” through the wheel
my man can you do a list of your rig parts? ive been searching for the best of the best for a week now..appreciate the effort of your videos :)
Despite a few I'd the flaws. I'm more interested in how the Force Feedback is? I've heard it's very nice. Better wheels will come in time with a better design. I guess some flex was to be expected with the old wheels. The mount should 100 percent perfect come with the base!
As I explained, right now it's either overblown or totally filtered and smoothed out.... so bad.
Thank you
Oh dear, good luck shifting that one on Ebay after that review K. It seems like a good fit for the new YAW2 as it's very light.
With some software updates and a lower price it might be ok... ebay here it comes! lol
Thanks for the review, nice work!
In your opinion Is it worth upgrading from TS-XW Racer wheel base?
Would there be any gain in driving experience?
Get a simagic Alpha man. I had the thrustmaster base. Thr simagic base is basically the price and u get 15nm, a true quick release that will never flex, wireless wheel connection, etc... Etc... I think Thrustmaster is a year or two too late to the party. Plus they don't even have any new wheels to go with it.
@@dannygaron The Simagic Alpha is £920.
@@dannygaron i guarantee you that simagic QR would flex in my hands, 100 percent without a shadow of a doubt if you go looking for flex you will find it... infinitely better QR than what thrustmaster or fanatec currently offer though. i currently own a simucube 2 and its the only QR ive ever felt with truly zero flex in the QR, its just two blocks of aluminum bolted together with such tight tolerance you simply cant move it. While the simagic QR is very good it certainly will move if you make it move, there is just too much of a tolerance gap there to ensure you can get the wheel on and off.
@@jinx20001 iv got the logi dd pro and theres absolutely no flex in the wheel or base its solid.
Honestly until there's better wheels that do not flex and we can really see how the QR is I'd stay with what you have, software needs big improvement too.
Karl speaks the truth again. Thanks mate
Thanks Nick!
When u play only on series x this is mandatory if u have a thrustmaster ecosystem like me , I have 1000€ accesories I cannot throw them away ! To me seems very nice dd base and the flex It's caused 80% by that cheap wheel , anyway no one drive like that , you dont hang your life and your body weight on the wheel when you drive ! I know it's only for PC for now but he will arrive also on consoles by the end of 2023
Eh? The flex looks to be caused by the connector design not the wheel. No way a flex like that is acceptable when playing often and for this much money.
No 80% of the flex comes from the wheel , look closely ,pay attention @@Substance2020
could you review the leoxz f1 wheel its a budget wheel and i wanna know if its any good
My Simagic Alpha has the same crazy oscillations and weird feeling in iRacing and I haven't ever come around to liking it after many months of exhausting all settings. I was wondering about downgrading to this and seeing the lack of options as a positive (hoping that something like Performance would strike a balance and be reasonably plug and play). I guess not. I wish I didn't break my TS-XW (=TS-PC) back when - that felt fine.
I had a TS-PC /F488 Challenge wheel and a set of prototype load cell pedals, I too was happy with that setup. I tried DD units from Fanatec (DD1) which was obviously much more powerful, but once set so I wasn't exhausted by it I liked the extra feel but then I tried the CSL DD 8Nm, it's not perfect but it's very good, every bit as detailed as it's bigger bros but somehow more immediate, the QR system is better to IMO. I haven't tried the Thrustmaster but I'll be happy to continue with the CSL DD, it's perfect for the racer who only weighs 50 kgs, and will probably never use 8Nm of torque nevermind 20.
Honestly, I stopped trusting other CZcamsrs because their reviews are slowly becoming like Ads for the manufacturers, and they only say positive things, oh it's great BLA BLA BLA. BIG THANKS to you, Karl, for your honest reviews!!
given the complete lack of limitations of a DD wheel in rotation angle I am wondering why they choose to clamp at 1080 degrees ??? I am using 2000+ on my Fanatec DD , sure I only use that in Truck Sim, usually I am using 540 in racing games but.........nice to have the option ! I have the Ferrari F1 wheel they released recently that is internally strengthened with metal , wonder how that would have performed on the base ??
Thank you so much Karl for a great review a very cheap looking wheelbase it looks like a nightmare to replace the wheels and so expensive and it's not cross-play what on earth are thrustmaster thinking I wouldn't pay more than £200 for that
How would you say the force feedback compares to the Logitech DD wheel? Can you maybe give a ranking to each out of 10? In terms of detail etc.
As I said in the video with only 4 settings to choose from it's either overblown or too filtered and smoothed out.
I have no major oscillations in ACC with ingame 55% force, 0 damp, 100 dyn damp, 0 road feel, and driver at 33% damp and extreme mode; going to performance mode I felt I needed at least 50% damper to minimize the oscillations. In my experience doing the damper in driver was better than doing it in game.
I do disagree with the extreme feeling like an overdriven mode, which some other reviewers have mentioned as well, and feel the other modes to be increasingly smoothed out while the extreme is giving the appropriate jolt when going over a sausage at 200kph instead of a bump. I am using only 69% force though since I'm coming from a T300 and as such didn't feel the need to max this one out on power, so that could be a factor with my differing experience of extreme mode over the 100% force tests.
I do also notice the vibration of the motor when sitting idle, though I've found that once you launch a game and the base is getting an FFB signal, that goes away just like with rotating it while idle. Maybe has something to do with the lack of signal while idle, and disappearing after rotation due to the base starting to apply the autocenter it has when a game isn't running. It is a weird one to be sure.
It’s a truly amazing wheel for ACC. Disagree with some of what you say. Extreme with 10 damping and 80 master gain and in ACC 70-80 gain. and it’s beautiful. Always need damping. To be honest your oscillation is fixed with pure damping. 30%.
Thats your opinion mate, FFB and how you want it to feel is very subjective.
But 30% damping did not stop the oscillation for me.
Hi, is t818 heavier than t300rs? Do you think playseat challenge is possible to withstand t818 loading while playing.
Is it possible the c9nsole security chip goes in the back I would love to see the t300 chip and see if it works on ps5
I havent jad any issues with my T818 ..None , I already have TM wheels etc...Also i feel tye aoftware is so well tuned they dodnt need to complicate it .
After using it i realize just how good it is amd rubber and spongy?? Not at all for me in Iracing anyway ..I love mine so far !
At the 22:00 minute mark, the ACC Damping setting in the in game Force Feedback options needs to be increased. That aggresive recentering behaviour happens when the Damping is at zero... I'm pretty sure that's the issue there.
I played with all available setting and could not find a good balance.
Wanted to buy this , but after a few reviews, just ordered the Simagic Alpha. The quick release just seems to have way too much flex and everything on this is plastic. Plus thr thrustmaster wheels are all very old now and they haven't released anything new for this base yet. Shame... Guess this base is geared more for gamers that want a simple direct drive setup tjsts just plug and play... And are probably going to just clamp this to a desk. Nothing wrong with that mind you... Just not what id throw close to a grand Canadian for just a plastic base with plastic quick release.
Wheel randomly shaking! Make sure your degrees of rotation in the wheel profile setting on pc is the same as the degrees of rotation in the actual game.
Of course, I tried everything to sort this and just couldn't.
@@KarlGosling cheers Karl. I hope thrustmaster watched your video because I still get the shaking in the center of the wheel when playing assetto corsa 1 and AMS2. Its very noticeable in open wheel cars. The forcefeedback is an improvement from the TS PC racer but I'm not pleased with how the wheel rim flex's. I thought about getting a more expensive wheel base and then changed my mind. Why? None of the sim racing games are perfect. Some car physics feel better than others. There's too much inconsistencies in various titles.
please can you review the playseat f1 love your videos and glad to see you're doing well!
Sorry mate thats too expensive for me to buy in just for review.
@@KarlGosling ok thats fine, don't want to make you completely broke, so I understand : )
So this won’t work with thrustmaster shifters or handbrakes???
Should definitely do an alpha mini review at some point
Maybe I'll buy one in mate.
you could put the wheel back on the base to pull it off after the screw is off )
Well mate been sitting here with 600 notes shoved in me back pocket eagerly waiting for your review I have 5 TM wheels and really only play ACC and occasional DR2 and a bit of FH5 when I can be bothered to get my series X out,TBH this has thrown me was really just waiting for your confirmation that this is decent before I ordered now I'm stumped,Even Barry said it was pretty good just goes to prove you can't rely on anyone who gets sent it for free thanks for this I will have to look else where for DD or just keep my TSXW,you have not been well and you have a lot on but you still take the time to give honest reviews out of your own pocket and save people like me hundreds of pounds so thanks,if you were put on the spot for a DD for ACC which would go for up to £1000?
Just a suggestion but you can find coupons online for the logitech pro wheel. I got mine for $850 without student discount...super worth it especially since it comes with that rock solid quick release and wheel. Zero flex
@@Greatgoku4 thanks will have a look but I don't like the option of just one rim if I could get a GT3 rim for Logitech then I would be all in.
@@petermartin5197 logitech promised new wheels and accessories for this series...I'm waiting for them eagerly especially for shifter and a formula style wheel to suit different applications
Yeah that quick release on the Logitech is fucking sturdy and feels premium. I’m sitting here shaking my head at the quality of this one. Highly looking forward to Logitech releasing new rims.
Yeah it's a disappointing experience, even if the QR and wheels were solid the software and driving experience just isn't there.
I'd look at the Fanatec GTDD Pro if you're on console, get a couple of wheels two for a £1000, I think they are looking at March delivery last I spoke to them
bundle it with wheel and pedals and then the price would make bit more sense...and also the mounting bracket should be included
I honestly think I'm going to save my pennies and buy into a new eco system not sure if that will be Moza, Fanatec of even Asetek. Thrustmaster have had there chance and my TX vase will have to make do until I save £1000 - £1500.
It is a shame as Thrustmaster are one of the last to market they could have changed course on this. The only thing that would tempt me with the T818 is a serious price drop to around the £450 mark. £600 is way too much.
I think that's probably a good idea mate, the Asetek stuff look particularly good IMO!
Just genuine a question. What wheelbases don't have oscillation with no hands on? I've tried quite a few bases and they've all done this effect; however, I've never tried anything super high-end. The highest powered wheel I've tried is the Logi DD and I also experienced this effect. My Thrust TX, PXN V10, G920, Fanatec belt wheels, and even my buddies CSL DD 8nm also all experienced this to a degree. I NEED to know which wheels are smoother in this aspect. I'd like to take my hands off the wheel in games like dirt rally to check my alignment mid rally stage etc. I crash a lot and like to understand what's broken other than the slashed tires 🤣
No wheels should oscillate if setup correctly, it's usually a sign of to higher FFB settings.
@@KarlGosling Thanks a ton. I'll have to double check my settings on the couple of wheels I have set up at the moment. Definitely haven't messed with either of their settings for a LONG while haha
I had that same oscellation issue on my TX. Dirt 2 was impossible
In dirt rally 2.0 try Wheel Friction (= more deadweight) higher to reduce oscillation.
I just couldn't get rid of it without going extremely low which made it all pointless.
@@KarlGosling I'm on fanatec DD1 and in Dirt rally 2.0 I need to use Wheel Friction about 50-100+% value of self align torque (with natural friction 1%, natural inertia 8% in base). Example I have DD1 base limited to 10Nm(67% in Linear-mode) and in game Self Align Torque is at 50(so about 5.0Nm in use), then Wheel Friction usually between 25-60 (in 4wd as low as 25-30 can be good, in rwd maybe need up to 60 to kill excessive oscillation, and in fwd can maybe use under 25), Tyre Friction 50, Suspension 30 (60% of self align torque value maybe also helps to reduce some of the oscillations).
Since that TM 818 base/software doesn't have natural friction and inertia settings u might have to use even more of Wheel Friction than I do.
Would be great if they all use a nrg style adaptor no qr, no point in gave all these different versions
So I’m a newbie, and just got the t300… so my next move was going to be the Fanatec….is that a good idea??
For the CSL DD yes, if you're going bigger then I'd also look at Asetek!
Wondering if anyone knows how to get one of these to Canada. Currently running an entire thrusmaster ecosystem and I cannot find out how to order one to Canada. Are they even available to Canada yet? Does anyone know an eta for this?
Is anybody know if i buy Drivehub is it gonna work properly with T300 on Xbox X and Forza Horizon 5...?
Did you maybe get a beta version of the quick release? I heard those had flex problems but they sorted it out with the production version for shipping to customers. Some reviews got sent the beta version which flexed a lot.
No mate, I bought this all in retail last week!
@@KarlGosling Why did Thrustmaster not send you one for the review Karl? Is it the same situation as with Moza?? Thanks
@@KarlGosling oof not great. Sorry about that experience. I was so looking forward to this because I *do* have a bunch of TM wheels. Really really wanted this to be good.
I guess your review did not include trying the wheel. 😮. I bought one as I own a lot of Thrustmaster high end for flight. The hots and rudder from Thrustmaster are like tanks, and people use them for years. The T818 with the SF1000 was not a surprise to me. They are simply awesome. Quality is awesome , packaging is luxurious, and performance is amazing.
I guess you didn't watch the whole video.
In a review we state the recommendation conclusion at the end as an informed conclusion based on data. You are saying buy the T818 only if you have wheels which completely shows that you did not use one. You did that at the start of the video.
Bottom line for me is if they had console support I would've waited for it to come out but opted tor the Logitech G pro when it was clear they were abandoning us GT7 players
thanks for the vid im looking for a new wheel just not sure its thurstmaster ive had 2 of there wheels so far and none of them lasted i just got my t300 back out of the closet and plugged it in after i got my new pedals and its dead and fanatec is all out it looks like
My TS-XW also does that weird oscillation thing. It's a Thrustmaster thing i guess lol
My DD Pro has/had a faint feeling like an external hard drive vibrating when it's cold, and resting on centre. In use it's not noticeable, and after a couple of laps it goes away completely. These days it doesn't do it at all. It started about a month after I got it, then went away with time. If it didn't subside, I was going to RMA. Overall its been a very reliable unit.
I expected better from Thrustmaster, even though I've had poor experiences with the brand, and don't buy their products.
Interesting! Glad it went away though, maybe a driver of firmware update sorted it.
I never understood these bases that don't has uniceral mounts...why no include a plate that does???
Not good enough to me.
I've had T150 RS Pro (indestructible), T300 RS GT (disconnecting power plug, overheating issues) and T-GT2 (dying brand new after just 6 months, out of the blue).
I was fed up, this was late to come, so I jumped ship to Simagic with Alpha Mini and FX rim (plus a GTS one I got after): day and night difference.
Proper high quality rims, a professional quick release, a small perfect and solid base, a control software with few quirks but complete and full of options.
TM is behind and this is not even close to looking like it is catching up - even their most premium rim, the SF1000, is a joke compared to decent rims.
Thanks for the review, it felt proper, exhaustive and clear.
Hilarious to think people believes you to be a Fanatec shill only because you were simply dissatisfied by Moza (and maybe now with this TM product) - truth hurts sometimes, I suppose.
Ill stil be getting one for ps5 , i have all the thrustmaster equipment.
Fair play!
To take out an adapter out of the wheel, can't you just put it in the wheelbase without a collar and pull, while QR is locked? 😅
Yes you could try mate, it would be like the Fanatec one then when your hitting your self in the face every time! lol
Smart
Awe man there is so many letdowns with this base. I have so much invested into the TM ecosystem and was really looking forward to just upgrading the base to DD. Now I’m not so sure. Maybe I’ll just stick to my TS-XW for a while longer.. so many negatives with this
I'd wait until they iron out the software issues before buying the T818. Could be a few months or even years.
Karl can you please do a video on GT Omega Prime Lite that just came out?
I have one here now mate so yes!
@@KarlGosling noice :)
So many weird choices with this wheel. Surely including a cockpit mounting plate would be a better move than having every review mention how it can't mount to cockpits without spending extra money or drilling holes. Not waiting until they had a new wheel with the new QR native, in order to show how much less flex there will be. Making the QR adaptors a complete PITA to remove, making you spend even more money to take advantage of the main selling point of this wheelbase, which is to keep using your existing wheels.
After spending the money for the cockpit mount, plus 4 more QR adaptors, it really isn't that much of a deal to stick in the TM ecosystem vs selling my current wheels and hopping into a new one. It's a shame because it sounds like the FFB itself is great from most reviews
Agreed mate lots of odd choices here.
I looked for this wheel but they only sale it in eu
Can you do a review on the new gt omega prime Lite?
Yup, have one here now mate!
Please allow me to comment on the word plastic. When good companies design products, they consider many aspects, many of which are not directly seen by consumers, and one of them is safety. Safety is a complicated subject. This tells you why the bumper of expensive cars are also plastic as you can imagine the reasons. A racing wheel with a lot of force is a product with high risk to the consumer. For example connecting the wheel with a part that can break at certain force can be a part of the design for safety. Covering a product with plastic, can be a shield for electrical chock in some cases.
So, using different material may in some cases be used as cost cutting but can also be as a feature for safety. I may argue that making a product covered with strong industrial metal is a marketing over engineering design concept to make people see the product as strong, durable and premium which can sacrifice safety in some cases. We all know the weak part in those well engineered products is software or other internal parts.
So, to me I learned how to differentiate between fake and good designs. There are designs that look so fancy but are stronger and durable when compared to designs that are tanks from outside with weak parts inside them.
Let's enjoy what we buy. It is the entertainment industry and sharing experiences will always.
I bought the T818 and my first impression is awesome. How durable the T818 is? I do not know. Time will tell. Other products from Thrustmaster are very durable.
Regards.
This is super disappointing. I started my journey in PS1 Gran Turismo, and have continued to enjoy the series. So when I started building what has become my rig, I started with a T300, because it works with both PS and PC. As my rig has gotten more serious, I've found myself increasingly cornered by Thrustmaster. I love my T-LCM pedals and TH8A shifter and the Sparco Rally Wheel which I modded with magnets for the shifters. I was looking forward to Thrustmaster eventually releasing a PS5-compatible version of this wheelbase so I could move up into DD land someday without having to start from scratch, but it sounds like it's going to be a disappointing journey :(
While I'm engaging in impossible-upgrade-path fantasy, do you reckon there's any effective way to mount 4 transducers to a GTOmega Titan?
Thanks for all you do, Karl!
Yeah I would bolt them on using big "U-bolts" probably to flat plates first though.
Thanks mate, doing my best!
I love my T818. There is absolutely no flex in the wheelbase itself, and only the tiniest bit of movement in the wheel when you deliberately try to break it (R383 and SF1000) which is not even noticeable when used in game. Yes it is my first Direct Drive, but I am very happy with it.
Glad you're happy mate.
I agree with you but maybe we have to go to the gym to be able to push the rim with big muscles lol. I do think this review is too negative but at least honest from Karls perspective..
Watched 15+ reviews now. ( im a thrustie) your only one ro mention vibration thing. I have ts xw. Makes right racket when left. Fan. Its making noise. Used buy doing it since brought. Two years. So this does not bother me. Doesnt effect use. As that wont. Probs just a fan also running. Im staying. And waiting for the t818 xw.
Wouldn't pick this base only because qr system . 10 nm + plastic = trouble
LOL - yes hopefully we have enough length when we need it. 🤣
thats what she said
Hey I'm just wondering if there's any fellow Thrustmaster owners in the comments who have trouble with random button presses with there Thrustmaster rims?
My T GT 2's turned into a right pain in the arse recently, randomly pressing either the Option or Share buttons by itself! Really frustrating in an Online race
I'm just curious if it's something stupid I've missed with "quick" release, a common fault, or if it's something that's more serious.
Thanks
It's your wheel. Happened too me after 6 weeks with a ferrari599xx evo wheel. Started pressing two random buttons. With my tm open wheel I've never had the issue and used it over 700 hours on a tgt2.
Oh. It got slaughtered
Thats what she said
Just buy a logi dd pro and be happy like i did 😃
£400 more though mate.
@@KarlGoslingI was lucky I had a payout from my employer and I do agree it is a lot of money. I would not have paid 1k for it either but I had mine new off ebay for 850 and have seen several more on there for the same price so taking this into consideration plus what the TM would cost if needing to buy a wheel plus a clamp for those who may not have a rig then I think the logitech is definitely the better option for that little bit more plus its absolutely solid with no flex at all but that little bit more is alot for some I totally understand and not something I could afford to buy again.
Great informative videos much appreciated you helped with all my decisions around my rig.
Don't understand TM business model, of not offering this with PS compatibility
But then I don't own any of their equipment, and don't know their market
oh no! i have just ordered fanatec gt dd oro with its cheap wheel! Maybe i can cancel the order
I would stick with that over this all day long mate.
Thrustmaster needs to create another direct drive wheel with a regular quick release like Fanatec and Logitech for people that have not invested in the ecosystem, then create wheels for that as well. This quick release is too weird looking.