The mention of Pythagoras is important because there is a straight line from Pythagoras to the Essenes , Christians, Elchasites (where Mani was a member since age 4) to the Manichees and then the Mazdak the Bogomils and finally the Cathars. I see Mani as someone attempting to heal the rift in world religions that began with Judaism and Christianity. Mani wanted to bring all major world spiritual traditions into unity and it's no wonder he and his followers were persecuted. I also believe that Mani thought this was the original task of Christianity until it became re-Judaized and dogmatic about its beliefs.
Theres not enough information out about this belief system, and it makes you wonder how much truth was contained in this religion to cause it's being wiped out completely after so quickly spreading across the European world. You do a very good job laying it all out, so to speak. Theres not enough information out there about this system.
@@siamakafiat7517 but I don't see that being a possibility any time in the near future. Why do you say that, anyway? Have they preserved some of the original texts of Mani's or something?
Excellent breakdown! This is probably the best podcast I've heard so far dealing with Manichaeism. Love your deep insight, syncretic approach and clear, thorough analysis. Will you ever do a part two on the subject? Would love to hear more about this fascinating tradition. Also are there any books that you can recommend? on the subject for those who want to know more.
It is fairly likely I'll be wrapping back into this time in history. It will become very relevant when discussing Sikhism. However, there are many subjects on the back-burner for a part two, so that'd be a distant session. In regards to resources, check out the links in the description and investigate the work of Jason Reza Jorjani.
Hey, man. This was great. Glad you're personable. Have you looked into the Essenes and the Ebionites? It supposedly connects Egyptian religion (sun religion I believe, I forget the name) to proto-christianity. Reminds me a lot of this and gnostics.
I’m glad you mentioned that this nihilism seems like a modern idea, but it’s ancient. I thought the subversive idea thar the repressive God of the Bible could be the bad guy would be some kind of rebellious modern idea, but apparently it’s ancient.
When and if ever humanity has detached itself from its cultural program/myth/religion, nihilism is what lies beyond the grid. In pursuit of meaning and purpose, created by others and bestowed onto you, or self created or denied. I believe nihilism has surfaced throughout ancient societies, it's just not what we put in the history books.
The diving down from the tree to bring back to the light sounds a bit like Christ's crucifixion on the cross (wood = tree) and descent into Hell (the water = the deep, Tehom or Tiamat in Genesis 1) and resurrection and ascension
From modern Iran, raised in a Jewish Christian sect. "The Cologne Codex as a whole indicates that Elchasaism was more important and widespread than hitherto known... (1) ritualistic conception of piety, life “according to the Law” (nomos), (2) keeping of the sabbath, (3) repeated baptisms (violently attacked by Mani), (4) “baptism” of food, (5) ritual preparation and baking of bread, disapproved by Mani, (6) acknowledgment of the gospels (so also Mani), but rejection of St. Paul, to whom Mani was indebted, (7) vegetarianism (so Ephiphanius and the Fehrest), implied though not expressly mentioned by the Codex (accepted by Mani), (8) cyclic incarnation of the True Apostle (taken over by Mani). iranicaonline.org/articles/alchasai-a-sectarian-in-the-early-christian-church-1st-2nd-centuries-a
Niflheim is the realm of mist (you can't see through mist). It is cold and dark and icy, the lowest part of which is Niflhel (Hell is not a realm in itself in true Norse, just a keep called Niflhel). Muspelheim is the realm of fire (light, the source of all energy). Creation was a mixing of fire and ice - animation and inertia. Manichaeism also is a World Tree tradition, with the same cosmos as the Vedas, the Norse, the Hebrews, the Maya, etc.
Thank you for this great video 🙏 I would like to connect with you. I am writing a research article. It will be very helpful to get your views and inputs.🙏 Thank you so much brother. Looking forward to connect 🙏
@@ericthegreat7805 nihilism is a consequence of loss of faith, of hope. A struggle with evil gives life a purpose, nihilist have no purpose. Unless we have different definitions for the same word.
@@acuerdox i mean that nihilism is the description of reality as it currently stands, and the telos is to escape the nihilism by realization of the light
@@ericthegreat7805 sorry but you responses are not precise, do you mean to say that nihilism is "to describe reality as it currently stands"? so it'd be a synonym of materialism, or do you mean that nihilism is the dominant ideology? because I'd agree with that, but it has nothing to do with my original comment. if you agree that telos takes someone away from nihilism then that goes against what the OP said of manichaeism , manichaeism has a telos, therefore it goes away from nihilism, in contradiction to the OP's statement that manichaeism is a form of early nihilism.
Mani was born in 216 C.E. of Iranian (Parthian) parentage in Babylon, Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq), which was a part of the Persian Empire. He was an exceptionally gifted child and he inherited his father's mystic temperament. At an early age, Mani was influenced by the religious teachings of Mandaeanism and a Jewish ascetic group known as the Elkasites. - New World Encyclopedia
Mani was born in 216 C.E. of Iranian (Parthian) parentage in Babylon, Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq), which was a part of the Persian Empire. He was an exceptionally gifted child and he inherited his father's mystic temperament. At an early age, Mani was influenced by the religious teachings of Mandaeanism and a Jewish ascetic group known as the Elkasites. - New World Encyclopedia
Very compelling but the commercials are over the top. Too damn many. I'm tempted to quit listening becasuse i can't relax and just listen without constant interruptions.
Sorry mani was Iranian not from Iraq . He created maniche alphabet which still exist in some part of Iran .Iran Is the only country existed for last 10 k year . So don’t give wrong information to your audience.
Mani was born in 216 C.E. of Iranian (Parthian) parentage in Babylon, Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq), which was a part of the Persian Empire. He was an exceptionally gifted child and he inherited his father's mystic temperament. At an early age, Mani was influenced by the religious teachings of Mandaeanism and a Jewish ascetic group known as the Elkasites. - New World Encyclopedia
If you listen to mel bala and murad on how mani patek created mohamed then read about alot of beliefs and practices in islam which are from manicheanism. The most interesting is Mani claims he went to heaven and brought 5 prayers He claimef to be paraclete messish talked about And claimed he is the sesl of prophets These are over 250 yrs before mohamed The biography of mohamed by ibn ishaq popularises the paraclete as mohamed which mudlim scholars took up. But ibn.ishaq is said to have been s forger fabricator even called dajjal by muslims of his time
I've watched more than half your videos and so far this one is the most important. But they are wrong about abstention, they recognize the Light does not spread itself - humanity can only awaken through human effort. This was the downfall of Gnosticism generally
It fell from being too complicated, and augustine and most philosophers realized that straight dualism is inferior to the “light” being dominant over the dark, plus reincarnation is inferior in terms of convincing people to do what you say compared to the finality of heaven and hell Although i prefer manicheanism
@@doomd1816 If you take the Twelve Labours of Hercules, using the order given by Diodorus Siculus, and swap Labours 6 and 9, they line up perfectly with the 12 Nidanas of Buddhism. While the 12 Nidanas represent 12 Beginnings, the 12 Labours represent 12 Endings (of behaviours that keeps the Soul fixated on physical incarnation). What emerged was such a profoundly simple system of mysticism (defined as direct experience of Soul, an knowledge of such matters). It was so inspiring that I'm writing a book on it. I'm on my last chapter, and the blend between Greek paganism and Buddhist mysticism is so natural that to me it is proof that when a Soul awakens to its own nature, the teachings that arise are only flavoured by the culture in which it arises. It all starts with the Thunderbolt (Vajra).
@9:03 "The Logos wears different people through time and speaks ultimately the same truth." Brilliant!
Cringe, just theosophical newage bs.
@@CourtesyPhone Channeling Annie Besant or one of those proper Victorian ladies.
The mention of Pythagoras is important because there is a straight line from Pythagoras to the Essenes , Christians, Elchasites (where Mani was a member since age 4) to the Manichees and then the Mazdak the Bogomils and finally the Cathars.
I see Mani as someone attempting to heal the rift in world religions that began with Judaism and Christianity. Mani wanted to bring all major world spiritual traditions into unity and it's no wonder he and his followers were persecuted. I also believe that Mani thought this was the original task of Christianity until it became re-Judaized and dogmatic about its beliefs.
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@@Orion-lt3zz Thank you, I accept.
Theres not enough information out about this belief system, and it makes you wonder how much truth was contained in this religion to cause it's being wiped out completely after so quickly spreading across the European world. You do a very good job laying it all out, so to speak. Theres not enough information out there about this system.
You want more info about Manichism? You need to travel to Iran😮
@@siamakafiat7517 I would be down for that.
@@siamakafiat7517 but I don't see that being a possibility any time in the near future. Why do you say that, anyway? Have they preserved some of the original texts of Mani's or something?
superb presentation, thank you
Excellent breakdown! This is probably the best podcast I've heard so far dealing with Manichaeism. Love your deep insight, syncretic approach and clear, thorough analysis. Will you ever do a part two on the subject? Would love to hear more about this fascinating tradition. Also are there any books that you can recommend? on the subject for those who want to know more.
It is fairly likely I'll be wrapping back into this time in history. It will become very relevant when discussing Sikhism. However, there are many subjects on the back-burner for a part two, so that'd be a distant session.
In regards to resources, check out the links in the description and investigate the work of Jason Reza Jorjani.
@@cgdahlin Thank you!
Hey, man. This was great. Glad you're personable. Have you looked into the Essenes and the Ebionites? It supposedly connects Egyptian religion (sun religion I believe, I forget the name) to proto-christianity. Reminds me a lot of this and gnostics.
...keeping the name alive, I named my Korean cat "Mani."
It's fascinating to me too.
another interesting upload :)
I’m glad you mentioned that this nihilism seems like a modern idea, but it’s ancient. I thought the subversive idea thar the repressive God of the Bible could be the bad guy would be some kind of rebellious modern idea, but apparently it’s ancient.
When and if ever humanity has detached itself from its cultural program/myth/religion, nihilism is what lies beyond the grid. In pursuit of meaning and purpose, created by others and bestowed onto you, or self created or denied. I believe nihilism has surfaced throughout ancient societies, it's just not what we put in the history books.
The diving down from the tree to bring back to the light sounds a bit like Christ's crucifixion on the cross (wood = tree) and descent into Hell (the water = the deep, Tehom or Tiamat in Genesis 1) and resurrection and ascension
From modern Iran, raised in a Jewish Christian sect. "The Cologne Codex as a whole indicates that Elchasaism was more important and widespread than hitherto known... (1) ritualistic conception of piety, life “according to the Law” (nomos), (2) keeping of the sabbath, (3) repeated baptisms (violently attacked by Mani), (4) “baptism” of food, (5) ritual preparation and baking of bread, disapproved by Mani, (6) acknowledgment of the gospels (so also Mani), but rejection of St. Paul, to whom Mani was indebted, (7) vegetarianism (so Ephiphanius and the Fehrest), implied though not expressly mentioned by the Codex (accepted by Mani), (8) cyclic incarnation of the True Apostle (taken over by Mani). iranicaonline.org/articles/alchasai-a-sectarian-in-the-early-christian-church-1st-2nd-centuries-a
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Do you have a forum or sever? I'd love a place to discuss such things with others.
Yes there is:
discord.gg/EbsCgYy4Zy
Conversation on there has often quite sparse, see if you can drum up some subjects.
he was part the Jewish Christian Gnostic sect
17:00 transcend
40:00 🦪 oyster/pearl
Niflheim is the realm of mist (you can't see through mist). It is cold and dark and icy, the lowest part of which is Niflhel (Hell is not a realm in itself in true Norse, just a keep called Niflhel). Muspelheim is the realm of fire (light, the source of all energy). Creation was a mixing of fire and ice - animation and inertia. Manichaeism also is a World Tree tradition, with the same cosmos as the Vedas, the Norse, the Hebrews, the Maya, etc.
Thank you for this great video 🙏 I would like to connect with you. I am writing a research article. It will be very helpful to get your views and inputs.🙏 Thank you so much brother. Looking forward to connect 🙏
Take a look at the Community part of this channel and you can find a few different ways to get ahold of me, happy to get in touch.
Travel pants commercial - beyond the bounds of good taste, CZcams.
Jesus was a hero buddha...no? So if mani was a buddha then he was a jesus too, correct?
39:00 corruption of the body is not the same as nihilism, manichaeism is about transcendance, there is no path in nihilism, no tellos no nothing.
I think he means nihilism is a consequence of the struggle with evil and chaos and manicheanism is the result of one of these searches to resolve it
@@ericthegreat7805 nihilism is a consequence of loss of faith, of hope. A struggle with evil gives life a purpose, nihilist have no purpose. Unless we have different definitions for the same word.
@@acuerdox i mean that nihilism is the description of reality as it currently stands, and the telos is to escape the nihilism by realization of the light
@@ericthegreat7805 sorry but you responses are not precise, do you mean to say that nihilism is "to describe reality as it currently stands"? so it'd be a synonym of materialism, or do you mean that nihilism is the dominant ideology? because I'd agree with that, but it has nothing to do with my original comment.
if you agree that telos takes someone away from nihilism then that goes against what the OP said of manichaeism , manichaeism has a telos, therefore it goes away from nihilism, in contradiction to the OP's statement that manichaeism is a form of early nihilism.
Actually, at the time when Mani was born, there was no Iraq. It was a part of Persia. Thank u
Mani was born in 216 C.E. of Iranian (Parthian) parentage in Babylon, Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq), which was a part of the Persian Empire. He was an exceptionally gifted child and he inherited his father's mystic temperament. At an early age, Mani was influenced by the religious teachings of Mandaeanism and a Jewish ascetic group known as the Elkasites. - New World Encyclopedia
Mani was born in Babylon Iraq his mother tongue was Syriac Aramaic
Mani was born in 216 C.E. of Iranian (Parthian) parentage in Babylon, Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq), which was a part of the Persian Empire. He was an exceptionally gifted child and he inherited his father's mystic temperament. At an early age, Mani was influenced by the religious teachings of Mandaeanism and a Jewish ascetic group known as the Elkasites. - New World Encyclopedia
Very compelling but the commercials are over the top. Too damn many. I'm tempted to quit listening becasuse i can't relax and just listen without constant interruptions.
I genuinely wish I had control over that.
Sorry mani was Iranian not from Iraq . He created maniche alphabet which still exist in some part of Iran .Iran Is the only country existed for last 10 k year . So don’t give wrong information to your audience.
where you heard of mani to be from iraq & not🙅🏾 iranian ?
Mani was born in 216 C.E. of Iranian (Parthian) parentage in Babylon, Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq), which was a part of the Persian Empire. He was an exceptionally gifted child and he inherited his father's mystic temperament. At an early age, Mani was influenced by the religious teachings of Mandaeanism and a Jewish ascetic group known as the Elkasites. - New World Encyclopedia
If you listen to mel bala and murad on how mani patek created mohamed then read about alot of beliefs and practices in islam which are from manicheanism.
The most interesting is
Mani claims he went to heaven and brought 5 prayers
He claimef to be paraclete messish talked about
And claimed he is the sesl of prophets
These are over 250 yrs before mohamed
The biography of mohamed by ibn ishaq popularises the paraclete as mohamed which mudlim scholars took up.
But ibn.ishaq is said to have been s forger fabricator even called dajjal by muslims of his time
I've watched more than half your videos and so far this one is the most important. But they are wrong about abstention, they recognize the Light does not spread itself - humanity can only awaken through human effort. This was the downfall of Gnosticism generally
It fell from being too complicated, and augustine and most philosophers realized that straight dualism is inferior to the “light” being dominant over the dark, plus reincarnation is inferior in terms of convincing people to do what you say compared to the finality of heaven and hell
Although i prefer manicheanism
@@doomd1816 If you take the Twelve Labours of Hercules, using the order given by Diodorus Siculus, and swap Labours 6 and 9, they line up perfectly with the 12 Nidanas of Buddhism. While the 12 Nidanas represent 12 Beginnings, the 12 Labours represent 12 Endings (of behaviours that keeps the Soul fixated on physical incarnation).
What emerged was such a profoundly simple system of mysticism (defined as direct experience of Soul, an knowledge of such matters). It was so inspiring that I'm writing a book on it.
I'm on my last chapter, and the blend between Greek paganism and Buddhist mysticism is so natural that to me it is proof that when a Soul awakens to its own nature, the teachings that arise are only flavoured by the culture in which it arises. It all starts with the Thunderbolt (Vajra).
Good video, just need to stop laughing randomly
Makes you wonder what side he is on, good or evil?
May be prophet Mani is the real Mohammad .... As you can see that Mohammad teaching been changed and history been re written.
Hindu is in reference to a type of people, not a religion.
"The Hindu religion" was explained all the time last century.
in islam , manichaeism/gnosticism created sects like ismaili/twelver shia and khawariji khariji sects thanks
Uygers. Islam stamped Manichaeism out.