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Manichaeism: The Synthesis of World Religions, Cosmogony, History, & Likeness to Gnosticism

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  • čas přidán 17. 08. 2024

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  • @freethinker79
    @freethinker79 Před 3 lety +7

    @9:03 "The Logos wears different people through time and speaks ultimately the same truth." Brilliant!

    • @CourtesyPhone
      @CourtesyPhone Před 2 lety +1

      Cringe, just theosophical newage bs.

    • @watermelonlalala
      @watermelonlalala Před 4 měsíci

      @@CourtesyPhone Channeling Annie Besant or one of those proper Victorian ladies.

  • @Iknowknow112
    @Iknowknow112 Před rokem +4

    The mention of Pythagoras is important because there is a straight line from Pythagoras to the Essenes , Christians, Elchasites (where Mani was a member since age 4) to the Manichees and then the Mazdak the Bogomils and finally the Cathars.
    I see Mani as someone attempting to heal the rift in world religions that began with Judaism and Christianity. Mani wanted to bring all major world spiritual traditions into unity and it's no wonder he and his followers were persecuted. I also believe that Mani thought this was the original task of Christianity until it became re-Judaized and dogmatic about its beliefs.

  • @iankenney6602
    @iankenney6602 Před 2 lety +7

    Theres not enough information out about this belief system, and it makes you wonder how much truth was contained in this religion to cause it's being wiped out completely after so quickly spreading across the European world. You do a very good job laying it all out, so to speak. Theres not enough information out there about this system.

    • @siamakafiat7517
      @siamakafiat7517 Před 2 měsíci +1

      You want more info about Manichism? You need to travel to Iran😮

    • @iankenney6602
      @iankenney6602 Před 2 měsíci

      @@siamakafiat7517 I would be down for that.

    • @iankenney6602
      @iankenney6602 Před 2 měsíci

      @@siamakafiat7517 but I don't see that being a possibility any time in the near future. Why do you say that, anyway? Have they preserved some of the original texts of Mani's or something?

  • @user-bt1ek4mp5o
    @user-bt1ek4mp5o Před 9 měsíci

    superb presentation, thank you

  • @freethinker79
    @freethinker79 Před 3 lety +2

    Excellent breakdown! This is probably the best podcast I've heard so far dealing with Manichaeism. Love your deep insight, syncretic approach and clear, thorough analysis. Will you ever do a part two on the subject? Would love to hear more about this fascinating tradition. Also are there any books that you can recommend? on the subject for those who want to know more.

    • @cgdahlin
      @cgdahlin  Před 3 lety

      It is fairly likely I'll be wrapping back into this time in history. It will become very relevant when discussing Sikhism. However, there are many subjects on the back-burner for a part two, so that'd be a distant session.
      In regards to resources, check out the links in the description and investigate the work of Jason Reza Jorjani.

    • @freethinker79
      @freethinker79 Před 3 lety

      @@cgdahlin Thank you!

  • @jimmyjimmy7240
    @jimmyjimmy7240 Před 2 lety +1

    Hey, man. This was great. Glad you're personable. Have you looked into the Essenes and the Ebionites? It supposedly connects Egyptian religion (sun religion I believe, I forget the name) to proto-christianity. Reminds me a lot of this and gnostics.

  • @zaneivy
    @zaneivy Před 2 lety +3

    ...keeping the name alive, I named my Korean cat "Mani."

  • @birlmartin6391
    @birlmartin6391 Před 2 lety

    It's fascinating to me too.

  • @vil4038
    @vil4038 Před 3 lety

    another interesting upload :)

  • @laurelf.1363
    @laurelf.1363 Před 3 lety +1

    I’m glad you mentioned that this nihilism seems like a modern idea, but it’s ancient. I thought the subversive idea thar the repressive God of the Bible could be the bad guy would be some kind of rebellious modern idea, but apparently it’s ancient.

    • @cgdahlin
      @cgdahlin  Před 3 lety +1

      When and if ever humanity has detached itself from its cultural program/myth/religion, nihilism is what lies beyond the grid. In pursuit of meaning and purpose, created by others and bestowed onto you, or self created or denied. I believe nihilism has surfaced throughout ancient societies, it's just not what we put in the history books.

  • @ericthegreat7805
    @ericthegreat7805 Před 3 lety

    The diving down from the tree to bring back to the light sounds a bit like Christ's crucifixion on the cross (wood = tree) and descent into Hell (the water = the deep, Tehom or Tiamat in Genesis 1) and resurrection and ascension

  • @watermelonlalala
    @watermelonlalala Před rokem +1

    From modern Iran, raised in a Jewish Christian sect. "The Cologne Codex as a whole indicates that Elchasaism was more important and widespread than hitherto known... (1) ritualistic conception of piety, life “according to the Law” (nomos), (2) keeping of the sabbath, (3) repeated baptisms (violently attacked by Mani), (4) “baptism” of food, (5) ritual preparation and baking of bread, disapproved by Mani, (6) acknowledgment of the gospels (so also Mani), but rejection of St. Paul, to whom Mani was indebted, (7) vegetarianism (so Ephiphanius and the Fehrest), implied though not expressly mentioned by the Codex (accepted by Mani), (8) cyclic incarnation of the True Apostle (taken over by Mani). iranicaonline.org/articles/alchasai-a-sectarian-in-the-early-christian-church-1st-2nd-centuries-a

  • @collectivememeory183
    @collectivememeory183 Před rokem

    Do you have a forum or sever? I'd love a place to discuss such things with others.

    • @cgdahlin
      @cgdahlin  Před rokem

      Yes there is:
      discord.gg/EbsCgYy4Zy
      Conversation on there has often quite sparse, see if you can drum up some subjects.

  • @ilovemyboyfriend5425
    @ilovemyboyfriend5425 Před 2 lety +1

    he was part the Jewish Christian Gnostic sect

  • @edthoreum7625
    @edthoreum7625 Před rokem

    17:00 transcend
    40:00 🦪 oyster/pearl

  • @Larzsolice
    @Larzsolice Před 3 lety

    Niflheim is the realm of mist (you can't see through mist). It is cold and dark and icy, the lowest part of which is Niflhel (Hell is not a realm in itself in true Norse, just a keep called Niflhel). Muspelheim is the realm of fire (light, the source of all energy). Creation was a mixing of fire and ice - animation and inertia. Manichaeism also is a World Tree tradition, with the same cosmos as the Vedas, the Norse, the Hebrews, the Maya, etc.

  • @SurendarKshatriya
    @SurendarKshatriya Před 2 lety

    Thank you for this great video 🙏 I would like to connect with you. I am writing a research article. It will be very helpful to get your views and inputs.🙏 Thank you so much brother. Looking forward to connect 🙏

    • @cgdahlin
      @cgdahlin  Před 2 lety

      Take a look at the Community part of this channel and you can find a few different ways to get ahold of me, happy to get in touch.

  • @watermelonlalala
    @watermelonlalala Před 4 měsíci

    Travel pants commercial - beyond the bounds of good taste, CZcams.

  • @jasonshapiro9469
    @jasonshapiro9469 Před dnem

    Jesus was a hero buddha...no? So if mani was a buddha then he was a jesus too, correct?

  • @acuerdox
    @acuerdox Před 3 lety +4

    39:00 corruption of the body is not the same as nihilism, manichaeism is about transcendance, there is no path in nihilism, no tellos no nothing.

    • @ericthegreat7805
      @ericthegreat7805 Před 3 lety

      I think he means nihilism is a consequence of the struggle with evil and chaos and manicheanism is the result of one of these searches to resolve it

    • @acuerdox
      @acuerdox Před 3 lety

      @@ericthegreat7805 nihilism is a consequence of loss of faith, of hope. A struggle with evil gives life a purpose, nihilist have no purpose. Unless we have different definitions for the same word.

    • @ericthegreat7805
      @ericthegreat7805 Před 3 lety

      @@acuerdox i mean that nihilism is the description of reality as it currently stands, and the telos is to escape the nihilism by realization of the light

    • @acuerdox
      @acuerdox Před 3 lety

      @@ericthegreat7805 sorry but you responses are not precise, do you mean to say that nihilism is "to describe reality as it currently stands"? so it'd be a synonym of materialism, or do you mean that nihilism is the dominant ideology? because I'd agree with that, but it has nothing to do with my original comment.
      if you agree that telos takes someone away from nihilism then that goes against what the OP said of manichaeism , manichaeism has a telos, therefore it goes away from nihilism, in contradiction to the OP's statement that manichaeism is a form of early nihilism.

  • @farokhdeilami1230
    @farokhdeilami1230 Před 8 měsíci

    Actually, at the time when Mani was born, there was no Iraq. It was a part of Persia. Thank u

    • @watermelonlalala
      @watermelonlalala Před 4 měsíci

      Mani was born in 216 C.E. of Iranian (Parthian) parentage in Babylon, Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq), which was a part of the Persian Empire. He was an exceptionally gifted child and he inherited his father's mystic temperament. At an early age, Mani was influenced by the religious teachings of Mandaeanism and a Jewish ascetic group known as the Elkasites. - New World Encyclopedia

  • @samfraydonanahata2485
    @samfraydonanahata2485 Před rokem +1

    Mani was born in Babylon Iraq his mother tongue was Syriac Aramaic

    • @watermelonlalala
      @watermelonlalala Před 4 měsíci +1

      Mani was born in 216 C.E. of Iranian (Parthian) parentage in Babylon, Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq), which was a part of the Persian Empire. He was an exceptionally gifted child and he inherited his father's mystic temperament. At an early age, Mani was influenced by the religious teachings of Mandaeanism and a Jewish ascetic group known as the Elkasites. - New World Encyclopedia

  • @loriw1234
    @loriw1234 Před 26 dny

    Very compelling but the commercials are over the top. Too damn many. I'm tempted to quit listening becasuse i can't relax and just listen without constant interruptions.

    • @cgdahlin
      @cgdahlin  Před 26 dny

      I genuinely wish I had control over that.

  • @jamessell1394
    @jamessell1394 Před 2 lety +1

    Sorry mani was Iranian not from Iraq . He created maniche alphabet which still exist in some part of Iran .Iran Is the only country existed for last 10 k year . So don’t give wrong information to your audience.

    • @jojo_manolo
      @jojo_manolo Před 6 měsíci

      where you heard of mani to be from iraq & not🙅🏾 iranian ?

    • @watermelonlalala
      @watermelonlalala Před 4 měsíci

      Mani was born in 216 C.E. of Iranian (Parthian) parentage in Babylon, Mesopotamia (modern-day Iraq), which was a part of the Persian Empire. He was an exceptionally gifted child and he inherited his father's mystic temperament. At an early age, Mani was influenced by the religious teachings of Mandaeanism and a Jewish ascetic group known as the Elkasites. - New World Encyclopedia

  • @carefullychristian8657

    If you listen to mel bala and murad on how mani patek created mohamed then read about alot of beliefs and practices in islam which are from manicheanism.
    The most interesting is
    Mani claims he went to heaven and brought 5 prayers
    He claimef to be paraclete messish talked about
    And claimed he is the sesl of prophets
    These are over 250 yrs before mohamed
    The biography of mohamed by ibn ishaq popularises the paraclete as mohamed which mudlim scholars took up.
    But ibn.ishaq is said to have been s forger fabricator even called dajjal by muslims of his time

  • @Larzsolice
    @Larzsolice Před 3 lety +1

    I've watched more than half your videos and so far this one is the most important. But they are wrong about abstention, they recognize the Light does not spread itself - humanity can only awaken through human effort. This was the downfall of Gnosticism generally

    • @doomd1816
      @doomd1816 Před 4 měsíci +1

      It fell from being too complicated, and augustine and most philosophers realized that straight dualism is inferior to the “light” being dominant over the dark, plus reincarnation is inferior in terms of convincing people to do what you say compared to the finality of heaven and hell
      Although i prefer manicheanism

    • @Larzsolice
      @Larzsolice Před 3 měsíci

      @@doomd1816 If you take the Twelve Labours of Hercules, using the order given by Diodorus Siculus, and swap Labours 6 and 9, they line up perfectly with the 12 Nidanas of Buddhism. While the 12 Nidanas represent 12 Beginnings, the 12 Labours represent 12 Endings (of behaviours that keeps the Soul fixated on physical incarnation).
      What emerged was such a profoundly simple system of mysticism (defined as direct experience of Soul, an knowledge of such matters). It was so inspiring that I'm writing a book on it.
      I'm on my last chapter, and the blend between Greek paganism and Buddhist mysticism is so natural that to me it is proof that when a Soul awakens to its own nature, the teachings that arise are only flavoured by the culture in which it arises. It all starts with the Thunderbolt (Vajra).

  • @HitmanR97
    @HitmanR97 Před rokem

    Good video, just need to stop laughing randomly

    • @watermelonlalala
      @watermelonlalala Před 4 měsíci

      Makes you wonder what side he is on, good or evil?

  • @feedorscy
    @feedorscy Před měsícem

    May be prophet Mani is the real Mohammad .... As you can see that Mohammad teaching been changed and history been re written.

  • @manda1774
    @manda1774 Před rokem

    Hindu is in reference to a type of people, not a religion.

    • @watermelonlalala
      @watermelonlalala Před 4 měsíci

      "The Hindu religion" was explained all the time last century.

  • @mdshakhawathossain2507

    in islam , manichaeism/gnosticism created sects like ismaili/twelver shia and khawariji khariji sects thanks