Leaf 3.zero e+, Model 3, Kona or e-Niro?
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Many people have been asking me which car they should buy. In this video I talk about the pros and cons of each of the four selected car so you can decide which is the best for you.
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Considering there is nearly a year wait for all the cars here in the UK, you may as well order all 4 and just but the one that turns up first! :)
you should hope that you could get your local Jaguar ipace sooner but i don't think even that is being delivered yet lol. not to mention that it does cost a bit more of course and is crazy power hungry
Hyundai konas are already driving for months on the UK roads. They were ordered from the moment orders went online.If you order one now though you have to wait for quite a while
So frustrating buying one of these cars in U.K. Have to wait a year for the next batch of Kia, or maybe the summer for the 62kw Leaf. 🙄
New Leaf 62kWh have no active cooling. Europe market manager Ana Paola Reginatto confirmed this at CES.
No liquid cooling. But it has active air cooling, doesn't it?
@@HenriZwols no active cooling, fans or liquid as far as I understood it. They would have to do a lot of redesigning to fit that.
Airvents like NV200.
Puts it off the table as far as I'm concerned, keep a fire extinguisher handy if you charge that at 100kw!
With all the rapidgate issues, they have to have made some cooling improvements especially with the much faster charging
Kona Kona Kona!!!!!🤗🤗🤗
That was a wery good compare test. My favorite car is kia e-Niro.Nice car. Not too much high the price and more space for my family. (write from hungary country)
Excellent. Full of information without fluff.
Model 3 mid range is already shown to be able to charge 119-120 kW, same as the Long Range. Search - Mid Range charging speed. | Page 2 | Tesla Motors Club
@@jhchooo same here, my mid range gets 119kw.
That's because 119kW isn't max for model 3 long range. Long range cab definitely charge faster if the charger could deliver it. Maybe 119 isn't even max for mid range!
Filip Bjurling correct. I’ve seen some evidence of 180+ for LR.
@@apkungen89 the 2170 batteries can go to like 180kw.
Once the model S and X gets updated and Tesla puts the 2170 batteries in them, they will differentiate the 3 and the s and X with 200+kw charging for the s and X.
Currently the model 3 charges faster than people who have a car double the price. It's BS
@@jhchooo Can you show a 0-100 % video?;)
As usual you give us good information and we all know that you have spent lots of time in each car. One aspect that you should mention is the warranties for each car, the service network and the waiting list for getting these cars. Thank you
Kevin Journeau all these are geographically specific.
Just to mention, from what I gather only Kia e-niro and possibly Tesla Model 3 are likely to get a tow hitch. Testing pending. Kia also promise app support in late 2019, but no mention of what features it holds.
It's not been confirmed that the mid range model 3 is coming to Norway from what I can tell, but I do think the short range version will force the competitors to adjust their prices down to be competetive. It's no secret that the e-niro is overpriced vs Kona in Norway compared to other countries, so I am sure they have margins to squeeze if they wish.
I am waiting for the e-niro, finding the car to be the most practical for a family of 4 with two kids, expecting to require a stroller for a couple more years.
Thanks for another brilliant video, TB!
Hands down by far you are the best EV car reviewer ! Thank you.
Good video.
Maby you should consider showing only the EPA range(if available) in km instead of the WLTP range because it is the most realistic one and i think you can cheat more on the WLTP.
For example the I Pace is getting 374 km EPA and 470 km WLTP range the Leaf e+ instead is getting 362 km EPA and 385 km WLTP range.
Please make a updated video for the 2020 models 😊
I couldn't choose between the Tesla model 3 and Nissan Leaf e+ so I got both
I hope to buy a second hand e-Niro in a few months, post 2020 and sub 50.000 km's. It has lots of room, is relatively affordable and I can get a government grant, and with most Model 3's I can't. Plus the 7 year warranty is great!
Niro in NL gets APP-support. See the Dutch Kia E-Niro website.
yes, but not the same app as in Korea/US. It will show the status, but not allow you to control the car.
Hans Roes let’s have a good talk with KIA 🧐
@@Hans-gb4mv Yes, I also think it is the same Kia Connected app as you can get for more Kia models. It is 'read only'. So probably you can see charging level, but not set preheating time by app.
Yep, Kia Connected Service is offered and I would already be happy if I can not only see the SoC in the app, but get a message on my phone that the car has finished charging.
Model 3 charges around 117kw but from what I've seen on the forums, it suffers from "coldgate" same as the other cars in this video. Other than that in my country we can get 5000Eur subsidy for EVs that are sold here and as the Tesla is officially not sold here(no dealership or shop), fully equiped KONA is aprox. 19000EUR cheaper(after a discount from dealer) to comparable M3. So with final price of 27K EUR(without VAT) I've decided very quickly.
Thanks Bjorn.. Not sure if this is relevant but according to the UK version press release there is Driver Attention Warning. Its just a shame we dont have some many other features you get in Europe.. Norway.. rest of the world or on kona .. i.e. LED lights, rear cross traffic, blind spot, warning, sunroof, light grey leather interior, rear USB sockets.. (we have them all listed on the Kia e-Niro UK Interest Group on Facebook for any UK viewers that want to be informed on UK specific model specification.
This is from the Kia UK release...
Other active safety systems available in the e-Niro include Forward Collision Warning with Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist (FCA+), Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go (SCC+), High Beam Assist (HBA), Driver Attention Warning (DAW) and Lane Keep Assist System (LKAS).
Wow. So right before I actually watch this video, I want to say thank you, Bjørn for reading my mind! These are my top choices to replace my ICE car with. I'm pretty sure I won't get a Leaf because there is no active thermal management system. Where I am in Canada, I could easily see -30ºC in the winter, and +30ºC in the summer with temps potentially spiking +/- 10ºC from those. Model 3 would be ideal, but the 2 nearest Tesla service centers (and superchargers) are each about 300+ kilometers away from where I live. Between the Kona and Niro, I prefer the styling of the Kona but the Niro has all the features I want so that will likely be my next car. Now, time to watch the video! :)
@ 11:45 I noticed that you tested one of the early production models, because the aluminum piece right above the steering wheel not stretching all the way over, like it does now. They did also raise the back seats with about 2-3”.
Yeah I wouldn't mind getting a Nissan env200 with bigger battery just because of the lack of affordable electric minibuses. But the Kona seems to be a very good car. Thanks for the video! ✌️
The new leaf is way over priced.
Theta That depends on where you are. Come to Norway and look at ICE 30kUSD cars... EVs in Norway is a shitload of car for your money. And now Nissan is trying to mill the market.
There's so much demand and so little supply that manufacturers can sell at full RRP, no discounting! In the UK, Hyundai put the price of the Kona UP!!
@@theta2170 they're not "artificially priced." It's expensive for these companies to develop a brand new type of powertrain altogether and for now batteries are very expensive still
Overpriced? Better, smoother and quieter ride. ProPilot Assist, more power and up to 100 kilowatt charging plus a class above the Korean car's.
Theta the battery cast a lot to make but hopefully in the future they will come down
On Leaf you have digital speedometer if you press up twice from drive computer 1 and that is not the only info display that has that, but it is my favorite info display.
"you will crash and die, which is not good"
Thanks for the clarification.
OrangOeTang arms, ROTFL! eNero is the sweet spot for me ;the Kona is much too cramped (backseats and boot) and Model 3 is much more expensive (not just buying it but also looking at overall costs over 5 to 7 years). Guess I'll see how inefficient eNiro turns out to be as I will be getting it next week! I suspect it will be perfectly fine, as my daily commute on the highway will usually be under 300 km. And as already noted... there is App support for Kia, at least in NL. Anyhow, It is thanks to all your fantastic reviews and road trips that I felt confident in making the choice. So BIG thanks for that Bjorn!!
Thanks Bjørn, very good information.
I would still prefer the model S, so that race between an used S and a 3 will be interesting.
Good comparison, thanks. Making me aspire more towards the Tesla. Personally, the console 'wings' in the LEAF40 are literally a pain in the knee!
The model should have had a hud. Which the kona has. I own a kona great car. Two kids and a baby wagon fit. Drives nice
Lol Bjorn, I like your sense of humor. Try to stay still in that studio :D
the ccs vs chademo question becomes more challenging in the US. we have very few ccs chargers and a lot more chademo plus Tesla's only have the tesla specific charge port and require the purchase of an expensive adapter for ccs.
Sorry bjørn but you fail to mention dealership network and of course availability worldwide for all vehicles talked about, you mention many times how poor tesla is at getting replacement parts factors all of which are part of ownership. Cheers
Maybe this is a boring suggestion - But I'd really like to see a video like this comparing the app support of all the EV's. I would rely heavily on things like checking state of charge and remote pre-conditioning.
There's in the meantime an app available for the e-Niro! (Sept.2019)
"...and you will still drive at the same speed until your crash and die, so that is not good"
XD XD XD
Love how he talks about this stuff.
The Niro has the UVO Eco app in the US and select European markets.
@@richard--s The UVO Eco app is downloadable anywhere and it's available in English, French, and Spanish. I understand that frustration, but it also introduced a potential security risk to the vehicle, since the app can by used to remotely precondition the vehicle, start or stop charging, lock or unlock it, or remotely locate the vehicle. The app also provides charging location information and navigation. As far as I'm aware Germany is the next market for app support, and they're working on each European and Asian market to provide support by the end of next year.
@@richard--s I can tell you that the app works great here in the US with my Niro PHEV. All the features are quick and easy, and being able to turn in the heated steering wheel and defroster remotely is great. The next feature I want them to enable is turning on the heated or cooled seats remotely.
if anyone does a lot of city driving, then the Nissan, Kia, and Hyundai will be the easiest and most convenient as they have compact turning circles of around 10.6 meters. The Model 3 turning circle is a ridiculously wide 11.8m which is actually even wider than the Tesla Model S!
@Bjorn I believe you forget about the safety rating for each car.
New Leaf is a fail because it has no liquid cooling (according to Transport Evolved) and also it uses Chademo instead of CCS. I would go for the Model 3 if money is not a factor or the Kona if on a budget.
Although I drive the Leaf, and enjoy it to be fair, you see that the EU policy for funding CCS charging stations catches on. Finding CHAdeMO chargers is getting harder in NL. Sometimes I do not get the selective non-monopoly EU measures. EU wants us citizens to go ‘green’ but only on their terms. Only got the Leaf because of brand restriction of my company and of the brands I could choose from, this was the only car I could get immediately.
LOL if money isn't a factor I would go for the new Tesla roaster....
I think it's not only about the cars. Availability of aftersales service should be also considered. Though Tesla is an absolute gem in term of performance, I think services, spare parts and accessories are also important. I test-drive model S in Finland and found out that if you own a Tesla in Finland and the car gets breakdown somewhere in Eastern Finland for example, you will need to wait for the car to be towed all the way to Capital region to repair. Hopefully this will be soon improved.
Kona and Niro does have app support in South Korea. Since export version should have same headunit HW, I think apps will be available in near future.
Good, but limited comparison. I'm leaning towards the Kia Niro EV because I think it hits the sweet spot between the Model 3 and the Kona EV with both price and amenities. I don't like that the Model 3 has no sunroof option, the Niro EV does. I don't like that the Model 3 doesn't support Android Auto, the Niro EV does. I also like that the Niro EV has ventilated seats. You didn't mention it, but I don't think the Model 3 has that, correct?
I initially was considering the Kona EV but when I saw in person at the LA Auto Show I didn't like the center console arrangement. My leg kept on bumping into it and it was awkward getting to the storage space below it. But what was most disappointing was the rear seat room. It was noticeably smaller than both the Niro EV and the Leaf.
BTW, does the Model 3 have voice activation/control so you can turn on/off A/C, display, stereo system? How about the rest of the cars? I would think that you can do that via Android Auto/Google Assistant on the Niro EV, right?
The Kia Niro EV is not out yet in the US, but it's expected soon. I hope the price point is similar to the Kona EV which is around $36,000.
@@TigerKurdish already saw people using their smartphone in a small holder to tackle this issue.
@@TigerKurdish Agree, and just a HUD and a big center screen would have been very Tesla futuristic. Clearly a cost cut measure not to install a HUD and only a center screen.
I haven't used the voice activation in model 3 for anything other then music or navigation, but it is very inclusive and i believe it can also control climate controls. Comparisons have said it's better then other manufacturers. it also does not have ventilated seats. one weird thing is that it doesn't have a heated steering wheel either. The HVAC is very good though so this hasn't been an issue. I was disappointed when it was released without a HUD but i think it's definitely not needed. instrument cluster is not needed either. I'm very happy with just the center screen and an instrument cluster would just get in the way.
The policy of KIA is very funny regarding an app.
So there is the app in the Netherlands, in Germany, it is not offered.
But otherwise the Niro is the best compromise between price and performance.
It is going to be a basic app, not the UVO app in Korea or States. It will offer SoC, is your car locked and what was the consumption and location of the car. In the first year it will log all the data and after a year you have to pay a fee to keep all functions. But the basic functions will be free of charge. The app is the same as offered on some petrol cars from Kia in NL.
Yes, I'd also like the comparison of Model S second hand vs. Model 3 Dual motor performance. Thanks Bjørn
(Leaf) "Nissan Connect" Down for the last four days. Nissan Disconnect? Maybe only Carlos knows where the server reboot switch is...
Yeah.... I can not even reset my password so the app is utterly useless.
i'm still not interested in the new leaf w 62kw, number one reason, Air cooled battery and old chassis under new skin.
Honestly once they hit the used marked in a couple of years with 50% of todays price I will be happy to own any of those, right now its too expensive for me. My personal favourite would be the Tesla, but with basically no service centres in my country, I would go for the Hyundai or Kia, man I'm looking forward to get those one day used :D
Thx - very informative. Ordered a 40 KW for my wife. I´m thinking of going for a model 3.
Good review.
Would be good to see more footage of these cars.
Bjorn has published extensive reviews of these cars.
Thanks a lot bjørn
small comment: back seats in model 3 has been raised by about 5cm. so newer models are bit different then one that Bjorn tested
Bjørn, there is no mid range available in EU. Only AWD LR and Performance. Not even a confirmation that it's coming. Not unlikely a US only option. They made it so that those waiting for the standard range could buy a slightly cheaper car than LR with full $7500 tax credit.
Great review of these 4 EV's. Very interesting, and very useful video. I agree with your recommendations, and I have to say your video's are the most useful of any other youtuber I've watched, and I've pretty much watched every video on Tesla, and EV's out there. (I own a AWD M3 here in Canada).
Considering what is now known about Leaf charging. I reckon we need a race between the Leaf 2.0 and the Leaf 3.0. Preferably in winder.
I'm definitely considering a Model 3 Performance/Long Range. I have a 40kwh Leaf already, and the most important things I'm missing is AWD and a towing bracket, plus the Tesla offers more luxury tech. Still no towing bracket, but I can't afford a Model X or Audi E-tron quattro EV (ridiculous that only the most expensive EV's have a towing bracket).
Along with your famous banana box test, could you also put up the official internal space overall, BN. Then we'll know better about the cargo space, because there would be people putting packages on the front passenger seat. Plus, despite the Niro appearing to be bigger than the Kona, it's difficult to see where it is. And that could be a buying decision. I've seen your old video where you had the Niro and Kona side-by-side. And I can't recall/see where the Niro gets all this extra comfy space in the front.
Model 3 as closest to a sports car. I think it will hold its value best. Mini will be a drivers car for sure too
Leaf 62kwh also has bigger screen on the car entertainment and an e+ sticker :)
see, I am all about electric cars and I do hope it's future but as for now there are way too many problems [in UK] in area I live.
1. we pay 14p [£0.14] per KW and 7p at night per KW. there are only 3 charging ports in area which charge at max 40kwh rate and charge minimum 30p/KW and some 55p/KW which is a lot more what you pay at home. Also people confirmed that some chargers will charge you per minutes [ you should get 40KW and you pay for 30 minutes or 1h and charger does only 20kwh, which means you pay estimate almost £1/kwh. to get charger at home I would have to pay additional £1500 to be able to charge home.
2. electric cars are way way expensive even Nissan leaf compare to traditional lets say vauxhall corsa or citroen C3...which fuel consumption is 45mpg or 55mpg on motorways
3. insurance. right now I am paying £400 fully comp and no tax as it has less than 100 emissions. to get nissan leaf my insurance would go to minimum £800 a year!
and after 3 years you can only take nissan leaf to authorized dealership and services is almost 4 times for expensive than standard citroen c3 and takes longer.
So after all these calculations even if you doing like me 70k miles+ a year, you are not really saving money to be honest. you might be saving money on fuel, but you pay a lot more for car, insurance and later a lot more for service and this is all with included £3500 given to you from government towards new ev
i would love to have a no frills, super lightweight aero model. With just apple carplay or android auto and 2 good speakers. Simple front car accident avoidance braking. No electric seats, no seat heaters, no steering wheel heater, no power windows, no electric door handles... easy to take out passenger seat when u dont need them. Just 2 or 3 seater is fine. 130kph or 100 mph is fine. I just want super high efficiency with decent range for given battery. I guess im looking for a sondors type 3 wheel or defunct super aero like aptera. Hehehe.
Bjorn, the mid range model 3 can hit 118kW max charging. Or at least that’s the max speed I’ve observed
Superb comparison, thank you!
Interesting to watch this now with the benefit of hindsight. Leaf would have been a no-brainer if they had implemented full battery thermal management and CCS charging. Personally, I hope they will make a Leaf #4 using a scaled-down battery developed from the Ariya. In the meantime, Niro is a better family car for long journeys. Kona doesn't have enough cargo space for a family holiday. I wouldn't consider a Tesla, but this was interesting to see all the details laid out from an expert.
Just for fun, here are the current *lowest used* Aug 2023 UK prices for these cars:
Tesla M3 £20,896; Niro 64kwh £17,698; Kona 64kwh £14,480; Leaf 62kwh £13,290.
Seems like Leaf e+ is not holding value as well as the others?
Bjorn Fabulous assessment as usual. Love that u did all 4. I need a hatch and if I buy I would probably highly consider E-Niro for its space offering. Hope it comes to the Gas guzzling U.S. soon. I am sick of extra car maintenance. Kia has always had decent standard warranties right? The oil Cartel has a $$ lowering prices trend in the US. now apparently trying to kill/delay EV growth once again.....
"the other systems, will disengage but you will still drive until you crash and die" wow, that one got me so hard, lmao
Kona has the Blu link apps.
Bjørn Nyland Correction - Nissan Leaf 40 and 62kwh BOTH have electrical seats in S and SV (optional) and standard SL. not sure why you said they were manual.. I test drove an SV w/electrical (had tech package upgrade)..
Kona and Niro are very limited in availability. Especially in USA they are non-existent options; Choices in USA is really just Model 3 or Leaf for nationwide availability. Kia and Hyundai both are only releasing these in CARB ZEV states, which is only 7 out of the 50 US states. Even then, they will be massively back-ordered.
Great value video, Bjorn, thanks! Anyway, to answer the question - I would definitely opt for e-Niro. In Hyundai/KIA battle I have always favored KIA (and still own a 2013 fossil ceed expecting retirement sometimes in 2020) and e-Niro looks way nicer to me than Kona. Leaf just doesn't strike me at all - boring, with weird interior and a short range. And Model 3... well, this damned Model 3... I like the way it looks from the outside, I like the parameters and the enthusiasm spreading over it, but there is one thing I am not able to get over - the buttonless interior. I really do not want to fiddle with this overgrown tablet anytime I need to change the radio, increase the temperature, turn on the seat ventilation or do anything else - I really do need the haptic feedback and this virtualized dashboard is too abstract for me (sorry Tesla).
We have 500e as a third card in a family now and next year I would like to replace ceed with e-Niro (should probably order by now to get it at least in the mid 2020 :-)).
Thanks for the video once again, anyway!
Great comparison. May I suggest adding a column for efficiency? These cars all have plenty of range such that range is no longer a limited factor (hurray!). So like in ICE cars difference in fuel efficiency becomes a thing to compare these.
Based on your video I would go for the Nero but the efficiency might put me down.
A HUD for model 3 would be great
Here in Canada the 62kwh leaf will have OTA update. Electric seats are standard with winter package. The app is more robust and have more features since Nissan partner with satellite radio services so you can set the temperature when preheating or lock/unlock the car. As for CHAdeMO the leaf out sold all others bevs put together in last quarter. Even teslas. Even Electrify Canada must include both connectors at each charger.
If Electrify Canada is like Electrify America, they'll include token CHAdeMO support, but the bulk of the stalls will be CCS only.
The key to CCS vs CHAdeMO is that nearly all new EVs for US and Canada markets are now using CCS, with just Nissan holding out. More CCS EVs must in time mean more CCS charging stalls.
Kia's order books are now open in the UK so I’ve just ordered an e-Niro. I’m looking forward to it (coming from my old Leaf) but... it just feels like such a compromise compared to the Tesla!
This is what I think about model 3 mr:
Price: 410 knok
Range: 465 km wltp (maybe more)
Charging: 119 kW ( 135 from new SuC)
I think the mid range will be way cheaper. If you use the same relationship as it is between long range and mid range in the US the price in Norway should be 400 knok. Maybe it will be slightly more expensive than that. Maybe about 410k nok. Not more I think.
I wait for the all new VW I.D Neo or crozz
Fiat Cryslur Studio XD. I can't wait for you to drive a Model 3 in Norway. I love mine. The price is pretty much the only disadvantage I've found (Long Range AWD).
For me moment the Leaf matches my needs more than the others so... Leaf for me.
Another great and interesting video Bjørn!!....
I don't know if and what Nissan has done with the new e+ Leaf, but at least on some specs it looks to be way more efficient. Might be a typo or maybe they've done something. Also notable that they didn't list battery voltage (TBC) yet. Maybe that extra power comes from just a bit higher voltage? Same motor will surely handle 10-20% higer voltage thus higher power, as long it has efficient enough cooling. Also, when you put 50% bigger battery in the same car with same consumption you heat the battery less as you use higher voltage pack thus lower amps or the bigger battery just has better (lower) internal resistance thus warming less. This tells me new e+ Leaf does not need active cooling! Old 40kWh Leaf is already almost ok, if new consumes a bit less and has +50% bigger battery - no problems. BTW Battery does not heat that much during charging. I've used LiPo batteries a lot with RC-cars and planes and you can charge with 2-3C currents and you get very little heat. Actually the heat ammount can be easily calculated with charging power and internal resistance of the pack.
Apparently Nissan are still using their own manufactured batteries for the e-plus. The news is that the deal with LG CHEM fell through so they are using AESC batteries
With chademo and no active cooling the newer leaf just doesn't compare to the other cars available. I love the leaf design old and new, but it needs to compete.
I just wanted to clarify one point (which may have already been mentioned): The Hyundai Kona North American version does have BlueLink App Support.
Just a quick clarification. The 5000 3.ZERO models in Europe are only the introductory model. After that they revert to the usual 3 trims: Acenta, N-connecta and Tekna which they make in Europe, Japan and US. If Nissan can produce this in numbers in Europe they will do well even though in many features it's not as good. Let's see what the lead times are for an order on a Leaf, Kona and Niro in 6 months time.
An even bigger problem for the Leaf is the Short Range Model 3. Based on the European prices of the LR models, it should come in around net 32-33k Euros (plus VAT) once it is available without the Premium Package. Again, based on the WLTP range of the LR versions and the EPA data of the SR Model 3, it should also be certified for 380km. And while this version may be about 6-8 months out for European customers, with the 62 kWh Leaf limited to 5k units for Europe this year, that's not that big of a disadvantage.
Nice comparison and It is also what I think. I laughed hard at your Leaf recommendation: 'And what about a Leaf?.... Well, If you want a Leaf´ JAJAJAJAJA
Yeeeep, I would like to see your intake on the model3 vs used ModelS
Good stuff. Maybe included battery types and longevity of the various types (prismatic/pouch/cylindrical).
Very nice comparison!
Model 3 mid range charges at 115kW (475 miles, 764 km per hour) and then tapers down like others.
BTW, new lens/camera? Maybe I didn't notice before but the short focal length looks very pro.
I can´t believe how cheap the Model 3 is in Norway, 425 000 NOK is insanely affordable. In Sweden the base price 650 000 SEK (620 000 NOK).
My choice e niro 64 kwh used car 😉
Hi Bjorn, I tried to get you a Kia referal but failed. Thanks for you Kia e-Niro video's and convincing on going for the e-Niro and starting a CZcams channel about it.
Now I am so confused. I’m a LEAF guy but Tesla has the Charging Network and my next Vehicle will be a Tesla. Waiting to see the Model Y and the Pickup Truck before I purchase something.
As per the hump in the LEAF. The frame of the LEAF came from the Versa and the Versa has that hump. Nissan did use the space for the high-voltage connector for the traction battery.
Personally I would prefer the Leaf 40kwh. Price is the number one reason. Obviously, if price was not a problem the Tesla X/S is the best EV.
However, for me price is the first priority once I decided to go EV. I can't buy a car I can't afford.
Second is actually usability. For example, we are four people with a large dog (or perhaps a baby carriage for some other people) who travel from Norway to Sweden a lot (330km). That can't be done in any other car other than the Leaf in the sub-380,000:- NOK. The Kona is too small. The Ioniq is too small. The Soul is too small and inefficient. The Zoe is French (and too small). The E-Golf came close but is too small as well, as well as more expensive than a Leaf. I took my 2013 Leaf from Telemark/Norway to Gothenburg one winter. Four people, large dog, packing for a week at our cabin. Let's just say it was cramped (but doable!) and took 5 slow and long "rapid" chargers. Never again.
Third is range/efficiency/charging speed. This has to do with time spent travelling, as well as level-of-annoying staying still at rapidchargers (and cost). The Leaf has decent range (260/200km), so-so efficiency and decent charging speeds no.
Fourth is creature comforts, such as app control, and ease of use. I can't tell how many times I've enjoyed that in my 2013 Leaf. A warm car with a war steering wheel/seat in the looooong Norwegian winters is golden. Also, the infotainment system is ok in the Leaf and I prefer its instrument cluster.
Thanks for your videos, they are very helpful. I especially liked how you calculated which is faster, higher speed and more charging or not.
Nice video! One minor thing. I see you’re listing 100 kW for the max charging power for the Leaf. But doesn’t CHAdeMO have a max charging power of 50 kW? (That’s the case in the US anyway.)
Also, the Niro has Winter mode to increase battery temperature to improve charging rate during cold temperatures.
What about over the air updates? The Tesla updates are awsome. Even my old P85 from 2014 has for a new navigation system and finally I can also preheat the seats via the app :)
Bjorn, there two wrong facts in your video. The battery’s are not from LG-chem but from AESC (Nissan’s own batteryplant) and the 5000 units are only the 3.zero special versions. For The regular lineup with the 62kwh battery there is plenty of production available this year.
Came to see if I was the one wrong, because I remember the same. The 5K units is only for the e+ limited edition.
Can you do a comparison of e-Niro 2019 and Soul EV 2020?
Nice comparison as usual, but something very important is missing, especially when I compare with our current car (Audi A3 1.9d), reliability, how do they stack up long term? Our Audi is nearly ten years old, has never missed a beat, is very fuel efficient (up to 70 MPG), only just had its battery changed, no other issues so still going strong. We want an electric car, partially for economy, environment, but we also produce our own electricity through PV to replace the Audi... what do you reckon will be the car to last the test of time based on current ownership?
Hmmm...well, the Tesla/Hyundai/Kia haven't been out long enough to judge....not sure what you want to hear: there are decent warranties on them!
Mike Walters true enough, especially the Kia which has quite good cover. I'd guess I'd like to hear folks chipping in saying that they haven't had any issues, but as you say, it's probably premature...
@@guitarbackingtracks4386 I do know of one fella who has done over 15k miles in his Kona since Sep....a veteran of 4 EVs, the Kona was the first he has had with zero problems: he loves it!
& a test run with him told me it was a good decision for me to place an order a few months back.
Reality is that the world of EV is still 'early days': the public charging infrastructure remains shaky...but the Kona (& eNiro) appear to me to be proper 'game changers' in extending range to a point where for many people (who can easily charge at home!), EVs can be driven as they would a normal ICE.
Mike Walters that's good to hear, I'm looking at both the Niro and Kona, sensible usable range at last. I find it bizarre that companies continue to produce EV's with a 240km range, we live close to the French Pyrenees, I need to know that I can traverse them as the are no chargers up in the mountains! We will most likely hang on to the Audi until something major dies on it, but as that could be tomorrow (or possible several years) I'm trying to keep abreast of what's available. The Rivian looks interesting, if that makes it to market it will cause a stir, out of our price range, but looks great...
Prices are a little different in the NL and perhaps also in other countries. Hyundai has raised the price of the Kona and the top spec version of the Kona is now a few hunderd euro's more expensive than the top spec Niro. One aspect you did not mention is warranty. Kia has 7 years, Hyundai 5 years. Especially for private buyers this is a big plus. Also I'm reading very worrying stories from Tesla owners/addicts about the service level in the Netherlands (Tesla is struggling in more countries) with long waiting times and below-par repairs.
The Leaf is a nice car, but I hate the seating position: because the lack of adjustment of the steering wheel I can't find a good position. But that is personal. The lack of active cooling is a big minus and they should offer customers the option to have CCS instead of ChaDemo.
Update: kona has app support which allows you to pre-heat or pre-cool the car, remote styart it etc. Hyunudai Bliuelink.
Great video as usual with some real world comparisons. Tomorrow I collect a Kona 62, a DINKy car. We only ordered 4 weeks ago. I guess the market for RHD models in Europe is limited to Ireland while Brexit sorts its-self out. 12 months in Denmark?
Nice comparison, but we don't have the Model 3 mid range in Europe, and possibly never. It could just have been a place holder for US market to increase production for the end of the max tax credit and production numbers, without losing to much margin. Currently, only Long range AWD starting at +-€59.000 is available, maybe for 6 months or more. After that I expect LR RWD and maybe in Q4 the standard range base model. But you never know.
I should have my 62kWh Leaf early July here in Norway.
Been as I drive Taxi i am looking at the new Leaf or most likely the Nero. Unless I can persuade my council to allow a 4+ year old Model S.
Of course, Leaf e+ USABLE battery is 56kWh, so much less than the others (64kWh for Kia and Hyundai)