The Craziest WR Ever... that may get disqualified
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- čas přidán 23. 06. 2024
- Breakdown of Yiheng Wang's 0.78 2x2 world record... and why there's so much controversy over it
Just to clarify a few things, the display lags behind and is NOT used in the slow motion analysis, I only counted frames to find the timer start.
Also, 2x2 probably not getting removed lol
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If that disqualifies then I guess no record holder would ever upload their videos online in fear of such controversy.
I agree
At least until it's verified
this already happened with Vako Marchilashvili .44 2x2 single, this solution was quite hard to execute and he got it in a almost world record time, for example, this same exact scramble was generated at a competition last year, (solution being U R U R' U) and the fastest time on it was a .55, next being a .66 DNF, Not to say that this isint possible (it definetly is) but there is a high chance that he just told everyone to not upload the solve because he had a sketchy start/stop etc...
not to mention this also happened with yihengs old .93 world record average original 5th solve (1.37). that video has STILL not released to the public yet. and there is no way nobody just happened to not record the solve, something clearly happened at the competition, and the people who have the video arent giving it up.
how do you know there is a video?@@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs
other people will still film yiheng tho
if it is canceled then he will just get a sub .7 next
but first zayn will and then this will get reinstated
@@rk31LMAO FR
@@rk31 lol yeah
@@rk31bruh 😂
"a bit lower in TPS, with only 13"
Lmao ikr
Gahdayum
7:37 if his timer starts are this consistently "bad" throughout the average, it's likely that the 0.92 average also had similar timer starts.
Other 2x2 solvers also have these kinds of timer starts, it’s very hard to prevent and if they only +2 yihengs average it would be simply unfair, they should either look through all videos of fast 2x2 times and +2 the ones with bad timer starts, or not +2 it.
@@zeroing000zayn doesn’t lmao
@@zeroing000 people have looked at other top players' frame by frame and most of them have a 0.12-0.2 second time that is not execution, which means its pickup and stops. But Yiheng has the majority of these non execution times less than 0.1, some even being as low as 0.01 which just isn't possible.
We can speculate but ultimately we can't see enough of the timer to be able to disqualify it
Zayn's average has been framecounted to be 0.75, while Yiheng's 0.78 average have been framecounted to be 0.78, with some having sliding starts and others not.
Not being able to use frame-by-frame analysis for an event that is completed in under one second is absolutely ludicrous
I mean, if you can't standardize the device used to record the solves, or ensure the video hasn't been 'processed' before it's posted, then frame-by-frame analysis should not be considered valid evidence.
thank you
@@oshiriyukoOoh I've never heard this point before, this is actually really valid
valid.
Not every solve is filmed, so you can't use film to void a record.
There's an additional precedent with sliding timer starts specifically; Ellery Dillon did the same thing in 2022 on a 0.53 single and 1.5 official average. If you frame counted the solves, they were all around 0.2 slower, and it was clear from looking at the video that he was using sliding starts.
When I emailed WRC about this, they reached the same conclusion; if it can't be caught in real time, it would stand. This problem has always existed, and this WR is finally making everyone aware of it.
the only thing is that a 1.5 average is not near the WR, and the .53 time he got on that 4 mover (his pr single) is quite beatable without using the sliding technique, (0.3x DS is quite easy to get without sliding). the obvious problem here is the fact that the first solve and others in yihengs .78 average are almost humanly impossible with correct starts and stops. top 2x2ers only able to achieve around mid .8 on solve #1 with near perfect execution, but legit stops and starts.
Man Yiheng just can’t get a win 😭
especially in 2x2
People just hating
he can't get a win without controversy, which is sad
I feel for him bro
@@pi3.1415ye
excellent video! I think this is the most comprehensive thing I have seen online so far discussing Yiheng's timer starts
1:57 I didn't even know about that!!!
Such an amazing video, putting all of the controversy and confusion into one place, you're the goat
I really appreciate you taking a look at this and talking about it cube master!
its very clear that most people in these comments care more about yiheng getting a record than the actual integrity of that record. implement 4pad at this point because more and more people are gonna start using these illegal stops and starts in sprint events, and tbh the wca shouldnt be about who can start/stop the timer the fastest, and at least 4pad standardizes timer starts to some extent
If this gets disqualified then so many other records will have to be disqualified for illegal timer stops and starts so i think this video is nitpicking the sovles frame by frame and going too in depth. At full speed Yihengs solves are fine. So this wr average shouldn't get disqualified in my opinion!
That's the same thing I said. If you look at Zayn's averages (and many many other 2x2ers) they do the same thing.
these times for some of these solves are very unrealistic. plus, it should only be used in certain scenarios like this to where he clearly is turning the cube with his hands on the timer
@@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428 show me one clip of zayn doing the same thing offically.
@@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428wtf? Yiheng's timer start and stop are really sus. He put his hands extremely close to the cube and timer. He can easily cheat and get 0.2-0.3 sec faster than normal
@@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428 did you just pull it out of your ass? If Zayn did this probably everyone would have said about it at that time
Its sometimes sad how so many people get so controversial
Amazing video!
isn’t there display lag though?
anyway i think this is a similar situation with what happened with yusheng du, world record drops a lot by someone unexpected, then everyone starts saying that the wr has to be fake or something was illegal
imo if zayn got this record the controversy would be much smaller
The last frame that Cube Master used for the example solve had the display at 0.58, which is way faster than what the timer displayed after the solve.
@@infrences i was saying that there could be a difference between the actual current time on the stackmat and the time shown on the display
@@eeaaaeaeae yep, there definitely is display lag
Yep, there is display lag, but it doesn't change anything about the analysis - when counting frames backwards from when he stops the timer, the frame I showed is in fact when he starts the timer. I don't think anyone is denying his skill. But with an event like 2x2, fractions of a second matter that much.
People are just in denial cuz they like Zayn.
LESS GO ANOTHER CUBE MASTER VID
STOP THE CONTROVERSY JUST LET HIM TAKE THE WIN
Real
If it was just the comp then maybe. But it is important for competition regulations to be fair for everyone no matter where or when they compete. Whether Yiheng is right or wrong, it is important to have these discussions to make sure we are aware of what makes WCA competitions a credible platform for showcasing the talent of speedcubers.
Honestly don't blame the vid blame the rubilks cube company web that started it
New idea for 2x2 event. No inspection allowed, and the event is reborn.
Brilliant and informative video, especially on the Russian NR as an example to prove yiheng’s WR would probably stand. Interesting fact, if we framecount Zayn’s 0.92 and yiheng’s 0.78 avg, zayn actually has a faster avg than yiheng
Zayn has plot armor
Lets go my video was used in a cube master vid!!!! (Im fine with it btw)
in the fourth solve, there is a seven mover, by cancelling into an LEG-1 when making the orange side
So for the timer start problem, you kind of need to go back a couple of frames to see the actual timer start, since the thing is that the display of the timer has an around .2 lag, so when HIS timer starts, the display only starts after .2 seconds. And the only reason this is suspicious is because of the perspective the spectators are videoing, which does not allow for a good view of the hands on the timer. This issue is because that, frankly speaking, the wca people just don't want chinese cubers dominating stuff like 2x2. If timer starts and stops will be framecounted and scrutinized, just use framecounting for timing. even though his timer starts are not AS good, they are still allowed by the wca. If the wca DQs this world record, imagine the uproar it will cause...
Edit: now chinese cubers will just use 144p vids for evidence that they got the record... so sad...
the display doesnt actually matter here, you can completely ignore the display and rely on just framecounting which is what cube master did. although there is a lag in the display the time on the timer itself should be accurate
A year ago, the world record for average time was 1.01 and it was crazy. How is speedcubing growing so fast?
My idea is the frame by frame scrutiny should apply only for WR/CR/NR type solves. Basically the solves that matter the most. That way we make judicious use of delegate's time and aren't wasting it on any random 8 second solve
Insane!
If records shouldn't be analyzed frame by frame, then this 100% counts.
That rule was written back when times weren't so fast. I don't have an opinion on weather it should stay or not but I just dont like this argument.
@@ezrashere facts, people will abuse this way too far if this record stands
@@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrsthe record is going to stand. That's almost certain. It's just a matter of if they change the regs as a result of this
Everyone uses this lol. Even Zayn uses it. Ppl are all the sudden mad when Yiheng does it bc they think that Zayn deserves the record more. There is no problem with having your own opinion, but the thing is that if they were to DQ this average, they would need to look through tons of averages and DQ them too.
@@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428 nobody deserves anything lmao, they both have put thousands of hours, years of their life into the art of cubing. its not the matter of who "deserves it" or not. its about how yiheng is doing moves on the cube even before the timer starts. and yes it is true that they would have to +2 (i wouldnt say disqualify because the rule that is being broken only results in a +2) a bunch of other averages, such as the .76 bpa he got at sunway velocity mall open first round, where he does this same sliding technique there.
2 by 2 has been crazy the past couple months. Also in the solve where the cube seems to move after the solve, is the cube touching the timer? Is that not a plus 2?
Can't wait till Yiheng gets back to concentrating on 3x3, revealing his 20 tps and ZBLL skills 🙃🙂 👍
such tps is much harder to acheive on 3x3 due to less stability since less layers can be held while turning, and also because L and D moves might require grip shifting
@@eeaaaeaeae 🤓
@@squirrelcubed31415 i dont get it, what is your point
@@eeaaaeaeae Yep much harder but not impossible especially for the King, and once Neuralink version 9 becomes available 20 tps will be considered slow 🙂🙃👍
@@Feverstockphoto ban brain chips with metal detectors? 🤔🤨🗣️
The outro music starts playing
1 example could be those who just want to solve the cube but dont want to get better
I love how casually you say 19 tps 💀
Yoo nice vid
Look how much time consuming it is to stop the timer. Yiheng solves the whole cube in 0.58 seconds but after he stops the timer it was 0 78 😮
display lag
wow i cant belive the record was just beat
whyh are alll of his averags in 2x2 a contrvoersy lmao
if this record counts i wouldnt be surprised to see many people recreating these starts
Look at averages from top 2x2 solvers. They already do it.
@@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428 not really, only 2 names come to mind, ellery and charinwit
@@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428look at Zayn and many others cuber. They never did that
Mom look I'm on TV
then why tf my 6 second skewb average still up where i chopped the timer on every solve
I kinda hope this happens so that 2x2 can continue being an event
Bro they disqualify every Yiheng WR just for him to break it again 2 weeks later.
I know they can’t really do it for reasons:
Takes longer,
Hardware needed,
Makes future competition results incompatible with previous ones.
but they should just film at 1000fps, and time starts from when you touch it, to when you’re not touching it.
a bluetooth cube does it
Not every solve is filmed, so you can't use film to void a record.
the thing is a rule is a rule you can't change a rule for annything exept if it is generalised that it is legal so i think it should be canceld even tho it is still crayze fas
I swear bro is insane I mean 19 tps that's crazy
7:36 😅😅😅
I'm not that worried about Yiheng's record and the controversy. He obviously has the skill for another 2x2 WR, and as long as the regulations about timer start and ends are made clearer in the future and Yiheng doesn't do anything funny when the rules are clear, he's still the best in my opinion (so far).
I’ll Come Back Tomorrow To See Did Yiheng Crush The Wr Or Zayn Can Take The Biggest Sigh of Relief 😮💨
Last time an event got so fast that it was virtually impossible to judge without slow-motion, the WCA removed the event. That obviously shouldn't happen here because of how big a staple 2x2 is, but that does mean there's now no reason Magic can't come back.
Remove inspection to make solves a little bit longer.
7:52 Wait what?!
It's a joke lol. This was an edited version of Tyson Mao's announcement of removing feet (or maybe it was magic or something).
@@broeycubing Actually??
@@TimofeiSopin-ov6dp Yeah
7:52 is this actually happening?? 2x2 will be removed?
No. That was a parody post by Kit.
If the 0.78 get disqualified Yiheng is going to be world record holder to, because he got a 0.92 in the second round of the comp, so it’s going to be tied with Zayn
Hmm… what about introducing a “minimum distance” that the cube has to be placed away from the Stackmat timer?
What if people adapt and do forearm sliding timer starts? 🤣
But also, if the cube has to be so far away… how does this affect previous solves in history?
atp im everywhere 💀istg i look so stupid
Are they really taking off 2x2 from the WCA next year??? I couldn’t find anything about it onlinr
It’s a shitpost
@@infrences ohh good i was worried
yiheng presents a very good case for why fast cubers shouldn't record their solves
Chill I just found out Yiheng broke the record
All I’m saying is replay review
So they made rules back then, people acepted it and moved yet now that yiheng's solve can be backed up by that same rule people are completely ignoring it or saying it shouldn't count as a rule. Isnt this the exact definition of bipolar? Having two faces, they respected one person yet disrespected another when both were under the same circumstances. Yiheng's solve counts and it counts, its stated by the rules of WCA themselves, blame it on WCA if you want but you cant change his record out of nowhere, change the rule if you must but its too late already, yiheng's record stands
Bye 2x2!
Hey mate, not sure if you'll see this but I'd love to watch this on my stream on Wednesday night, would. that be OK with you? Please let me know! 🙏
Apologies if this is late, but yeah for sure!
As a Zayn fan and fellow northeastern 2x2 solver, I hope this is disqualified (and I don't to trash talk yiheng or anything), but I highly doubt it's gonna happen, given the fact that he's been using these starts and stops for soooo long now and no one cared until it caused controversy.
And two more random thoughts:
1. the person who first brought up the discussion was Ibrahim Khanani, who I believe is Zayn and Hassan's brother. This makes it slightly biased, and again, I am "for Zayn"
2. 2x2 is not over. I refuse to accept that. People can keep trying to beat their own times, and eventually this record will be beaten. (For my fellow 2x2 mains, the removal message, is, simply put, a JOKE)
Zayn uses sliding too
@@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428 not as much
@@thecalculatedcreativecoder1428 hes doesnt slide lmao
@@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs Yes he does. The timer starts after he touches the cube and his hands are still barely touching the timer but he does it fast and it is hard to notice if you don't slow it down.
@@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs If you don't believe me, look at the second solve of his 1.02 average. He started his turn before the timer even moved.
Give this kid a break man
Not you I meant the wca
Why only 2x2? 😂😅
0.78???????
Are his parents forcing him to cube?
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woi
woi
#JusticeForYiheng. this record is 100% legit.
The timer starts are literally fine. Going frame-by-frame and saying it "should" be this or that when going backwards is not the way to determine anything here
1) aw man I thought the starts were metaphorically fine /j
2) using frame-by-frame analysis on an event under one second seems perfectly logical
3) if there are no standards for the timer starts then I might as well solve the whole cube with my hands still on the timer; of course we will be saying it "should" be this or that
4) if you want to learn something visually specific about the solves, then the best way to do that is to view them as it is done in the video
not trying to be rude, but there certainly are some problems with what you're trying to say
The frame by frame stuff is stupid because there is a small delay between the timer starting and it showing up on the display thing. If you look at most solves, it looks like the timers on the display thing seem to start and end about .1 seconds after the solver starts and stops the timer.
you do not understand framecounting
The display is irrelevant
yay i thought i would never suceed in lie because of this 11 year old
Hes a kid, are we really considering taking away a record we definitely derserves? Yiheng is the goat.
Bruh
They should just use smart cubes, start and stop when the first move starts and ends when the cube is solved. This milliseconds difference between your hand slapping the "cup stack timer" is just silly. It is no longer about how fast you solve the cube, it's how good are you at slapping the timer.
While the timer thing is true, using smart cubes would be way to difficult, as different timing softwares may be different than others, and not many company’s make smart cubes
You can just watch your cube get scrambled by looking at the app
A much easier solution timer starts when you lift the cube off the mat
@@kazedcat That covers the start time, but when is the stop time?
@@xdragon2k when the solver is no longer touching the cube and the full weight of the cube is on the mat.
Let my man get his WR, I was at the comp and saw how angry his mom was at him and can really tell how pressured he was. Stop with all the hating, if you cannot get a WR and just like to prevent others from their happy moments, you have absolutely no place to be in the world of cubing. Yiheng, great job and do not let all these haters downplay you
His mom was mad at him? why that
@@BananeBeN286Just Asian mum things, I think she thought he was fooling around too much or something idk
True
Let him get WR while hes touching the cube while starting the timer? take feelings out of it, hes clearly breaking the rules.
@@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs Dodsn't even matter, he'll just break it again at some point
Shi would be so funny if it god disqualified
all timer starts and stops are like this
First 1,000 viewers
Stackmats are crap and have a lot of lag on displays.
That's literally not relevant to the analysis done here
Frame-by-frame should not be used because it's so precise that it'll make it wayyy too difficult to be able to have a legal timer stop. At this point, no one will be uploading videos on their solves because people will slow it down and find a single individual frame that is against regs
3:51 and 4:11 voice cracks I can't stand it
Here before 1000 veiws!!!! Will you check out my comment on your "using my worst cubes for 24 hours" video?
he doesnt have time for that
@@DeclanSanderBut it’s important
@@Andrew-by1jn what is it then lol
@@DeclanSander Its asking permission to use a video idea
If it can't be found in real time, it shouldn't be a problem frame by frame. We're human. We've always done it like this. If it's a problem? Just don't record solves!
When anyone else gets a wr: yay WOOHOO! Scrambles are correct when tine h gets a wr:check scrams check starts check extras check stats check his hands CHECK EVERYTHING it’s wrong, too good,bad , bad,bad and bad
this world record should 100 percent be plus twoed or disqualified, He is clearly breaking the rule where it states you can not touch the cube while your hands are on the timer, and even by just using common sense, if you frame count the first solve, its around high .8 - low .9, and the time he got was .74, he is clearly abusing something to lower his time. And if this does stand as a record, this is going to be the biggest nightmare for the WCA as a whole, In the 2x2 discord server there are people getting sub world record single times (0.43) on EIGHT and NINE move solutions using this "sliding" technique... So delegates wil constantly have to be on the lookout for people using this cheat. this overall will be the death of sprint events because of the massive advantage gave by you basically being able to hold the cube as you start the timer. This is ridiculous.
The display screen is just for spectators. It isn't perfect. Will display final time correctlt, but it lags, so can't be trusted for indicating when a solve starts.
@@fatsquirrel75 ok, that is true, but he is still holding the cube in inspection and the framecounted time is alot slower than the time he got, top 2x2'ers have also tried this scramble and have not gotten anywhere near .74, obviously yiheng could just have incredibly fast hands, but for the first solve, if you slow down the video, he gets two moves in before the timer starts.
@@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs the display has like a 0.2 second delay so the first 2 moves is fine
@@DeclanSander it clearly doesnt, the framecounted time is high .8, and it is really really hard to even get sub .8 on this scramble
@@brothdisiwsnsotwwokrs My guy 50% of your claims is backed up by "its really hard for other pros so theres no way he didn't cheat"
"cuber should not be penalyzed for frame by frame analysis".
Sorry but if this is true then maybe some world class solver should just stop recording their own solves
What?!!!!???!?!!!?
Not begging but can you plz pin me
Live your vids❤
You're just looking for a way to make a 10 year old sad. Seriously dude, he got the record. Stop nitpicking.
He can't even see this, they don't have youtube in China
@@BNSF4749Railfan i know, i'm talking about if his record gets disqualified again.
@@MaxRickmers Rules are rules. Kid's gotta learn that life doesn't always go as planned.
@@BNSF4749Railfan I guess, but at least we can agree that kid's fucking fast.
@@MaxRickmers They all cheated their way to this speed. No real practice. They went to training camps for a few months and done.
The American cubing community is full of hate to this child.
Zayn Khanani is better
Nuh uh
we are just gonna have to watch it play out...
Only 2 views in 15 seconds, you falled off
hating ass title it’s not getting DQd
zhayn is a clown
Some people shouldn't buy cubes.
1. The starts and stops were completely legal.
2. Frame count is the dumbest thing ever existed in cubing. 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
Bro im fed up
This is probably a steaming hot take but...
the solution is smart cubes. timer start and stop shouldnt be a factor the cube internally will be consistent there will be no need for judges to make incredibly difficult calls there will be no controversy the only problem is accessibility which is why its a goal to work towards rather than something that can change immediately
Someone else said it, but using current technology you can see the scramble on an app
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