The Biggest Problem With Krav Maga Disarms
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2022
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Where's the video of the mma guy socking a guy with a gun tho?
Bull. One night I was attacked by 2 guys with gun & 1 with a knife and disarmed all 3
@@AG-ur1lj personally I’d just release my man eating tiger.
He’s not gonna kill Reggie with a little knife.
Why wouldn’t everyone do this?
@@AG-ur1lj right?!? It’s just so obvious.
Also I feel like a great way ru deal with a knife of any weapon is simply pull the lever than drops the 2 ton weight on the perps head
@@AG-ur1lj I don’t need to disarm cause I know the rare kung fu move “iron shirt”.
Knives or Bullets will bounce right off.
Course I still have to convince him not to go for my face. But one thing at a time
I had to disarm someone with a gun once using the krav maga technique. He beat the ever-loving sh!t out of me with his head and free arm. I did get it away but it went off a couple of times right next to my chest. After I got it I managed to get away and run like crazy. It might have been because I broke his finger. Don't know, don't care. I'm alive if not a little traumatized.
Would I suggest it? HELL NO! I walked away with more bruises and bumps than I have had in my life. That and PTSD. Still I made it through so that's something...
Yikes. Glad you made it... otherwise I would have one less subscriber.
@@hard2hurt youre hilarious
Wouldn't advise it because you had bumps and bruises instead of being shot.....right.
sure jan
The first thing in public safety training is to weed out people who talk about or try to always promote violence instead of deescalation.
We need a "How to eat a hamburger" with Mike now, he appears to know a new fast food skill
Feels awkward but makes sense. If you only had one hand.
'How to tactically eat a hamburger. Gotta always have one hand free.'
*Lists stats of fast food shootings*. Lol
@@hourglas no. It doesn’t make sense. I can eat a hamburger with one hand and have never played castanets with it.
@@rebchizelbeak5392 my post was clearly light hearted. Chill out edgelord.
Icy Mike's tactical burrito hold and chow down seminar.
Why your hamburger grip sucks
As a Krav Maga instructor....you earned that like within the first minute. That demo was so great xD
Stop doing that!
@@hard2hurt I will start reinforcing everyone to stop it as well! XD
@@hard2hurt Where I trained we did muzzle strikes with the pistol, not hamburgers. Got to keep the barrel pointing in a safe direction and avoid muzzle sweeping yourself like Icy Mike did 50 times in this vid, right? Like at the bad guy. If it goes off it’s a case of “oh well”.
Those little Kraft maga feet😂😂😂
@@hard2hurtIt’s awesome I mean like aren’t you teaching self defence and KM also teaches how to move your gun away from it being snatched.
I’m a Krav Maga Instructor and I hate teaching disarms. Most of it is theoretical and we don’t have anyone that’s lived to say any technique worked. KMMA and KMWW have essentially turned this into katas, false hope, and BS.
The best way to teach this is to teach aggression. The student has to understand that you have to become the most aggressive, evil SOB in the world, at that moment, to make the technique work. Your technique may absolutely suck, but aggression can make up for that.
Aggression is really too mild a word for how barbaric you have to become in that moment to win the fight. If you have the mentality of “surviving” the fight- you’re dead. Victory at all costs is what you should striving for. If you hit them with the gun you swing it like you’re trying to bury it in their skull.
Aggression is the element nearly all Krav schools neglect and aggression wasn’t even talked about in this video.
I'm an armed security guard in Israel and before that I was an infantryman in the IDF. I've trained krav maga in both of these places, and I personally a few people who were about to get stabbed and used their training to either disable the enemy or create distance and use their weapon.
good tips- mindset. go from hunted to hunter. most criminals don't want any part of that and many will find an easier target.
Maybe "better than nothing" but they call them equalizers for a reason. Remember the monkey scene in 2001: A Space Odyssey?
My Mu Duk Kwan Master no longer teaches disarms. Because it's the internet age & not the 90s anymore.
It's a Hail Mary play in a situation no one wants to be in. Even though we were always taught to not attempt this unless you were sure this guy was going to waste you anyway.
Not worth it. You don't need to compromise your morals to survive a fight. With enough training you can remain calm and under control of yourself during a fight.
There is no defense against a gun pointed at your head.
Now if you're smart, you're wearing a vest, then you can grab the gun and aim it at your vest location because it will most likely go off while you are wrestling it away from them.
You don't need to be "evil" to survive, just smart, prepared, and quick.
After you pull the gun away from them, you don't have to then shoot them dead. That is "evil" and would definitely end the fight asap.
You could shoot them in the leg then aim it at a non lethal part of their body to show them you will shoot them, but you don't have to kill them.
Once a gun is in the picture, it's all about who has the gun that has the power to kill instantly.
Gun-fu is bullshit Keanu Reaves dog-shit John Wick stuff.
The moment you lunge for a gun, you better be ready to die, because it is a 50/50 possibility the guy is willing to shoot you or will accidentally shoot you because you surprised him.
So what if it’s your uncle at a bbq who drank too much and is starting a fight. Your only go too is see red and become an animal? Too bad you didn’t just know how to take him down and hold him until he gets tired. This whole “see red and get aggressive” is what untrained people say. Go fight someone who actually trains in things that work and no amount of aggression will work. It will only make you tired and you will lose
I was an unarmed security guard at a unnamed shopping area about a decade ago. I carried a couple pocket knives even though I wasn’t supposed to. A tiny can of pepper spray that worked occasionally. I had a flex baton and a two AA mini mag light. A guy tried to rob a “women’s undergarments” store that his ex girlfriend was working at. He had a 6 inch barrel six shot 357 magnum pointed at his “twig and berries” in his sweatpants. I was behind him and he did not know I was there. I threw my Mag light onto the counter next to him so he turned and looked at it. Cracked him in the back of the head with the flex baton. And managed to wrestle the gun away. I cracked him with the butt of the revolver. And stepped back to “ create distance” and see if it was loaded, because “now I had superior fire power.” While I was checking the cylinder. He produced a snubnose 38 five shot. And pulled the trigger on me five times. It was not loaded. I then held him on the ground with the “superior fire power”. With piss running down my leg. Until the big boys got there. Shit happens.
Holy fahk dude. So what's the moral of the story?
@@jaytor15 This guy deserves a raise?
@@jaytor15 The moral of the story is there’s not always a correct answer to any given situation. Regardless of how good your training is. Sometimes the world just throws a curveball. Learn to roll with the punches.
@Tracchofyre Yes but where I was living and working. That would have made me the aggressor. And I would’ve gone to jail for beating the “poor” guy senseless. Which is why I opted for the action I took that damn near got me killed. Because I was being paid to be the good guy. And I was worried about my career. Instead of about my life. Not saying it was the right choice. Or even the smart one. But it’s a hell of a lot easier to second-guess shit from a decades worth of hindsight and the knowledge of how it did and could have ended up. Although that would be a hilarious site! And a hell of a good story. Just start belting the theme song from Skyrim!
@Tracchofyre oh son. It is almost hilarious hearing this from a right fine bastard. A nation born of exiles, murderers, rapists, psychopaths and criminals at large. Don’t pretend to pussyfoot around the circumstance. Especially considering how you guys have been Pusscified recently. With all the jab bullshit. Just because I’ve made the wrong decisions. In the particular jurisdiction that I was in at the time. Does not mean that. That is a broad scale for the nation of the United States of America. I now live in a vastly different area. Keep in mind your entire nation is approximately two of our 50 states. As someone who has spent a lot of time on the road. If you were to drive corner to corner. Not counting Alaska and Hawaii. It takes almost 6 days. And not on your dirt roads. On main highways doing 70 to 80 miles an hour plus. I don’t know what that registers as for km. But something along the lines of 180/200 km an hour I think. And as I said. I am no longer in that profession. Nor anywhere near that jurisdiction. And even more so less in that frame of mind.
Tuesday I will start my first muay thai class. I was scared to go but thanks to you and your videos I learned some basics(the jab and cross exercise was really helpful) and gain some confidence. Thank you mike. Love from an Italian boy
Thats awesome! Be patient with yourself.
elbows and knees is where it's at. Nice choice!
Nnnnnice !!!!!! you will enjoy the hell out of it. Muay Thai is the BEST !!!
Have fun! That's what it's about
Hope you enjoyed the first day! If so, then keep at it!
The disarm technique this guy uses is different to the one taught in the London Krav club I trained at.
Perhaps ours was adapted to the assumption the perpetrator was steaming drunk and shouting, ‘You wot, mate’ or ‘woz you lookin’ at me bird?’ and therefore easier to take down.
U havin a laff?
LMAO
Its diffrent from ikmf too
Absolutely mental!
@@hard2hurt U takin the piss?!
I think the biggest issue I have with Krav Maga is that a LOT of gyms teach you the 1-2-3-4-5-6 step approach. They don't teach you what you should do if step 3 doesn't work, or if you fuck up step 2 or if your opponent doesn't let you do step 5, etc.
"Little Krav Maga feet" best Icy Mike line I have ever heard😂
The hitting after the disarm also plays an important part in the psicological aspect. Is being the aggressor instead of the victim and putting the assailant in the victim roll. If you take the gun away and instantly try to create distance the attacker will keep his attack and rush you. If you decide to take action against an armed attacker you shouldn’t be thinking defensively. You should be trying to KILL the guy. I think this mindset part was left out in the análisis.
Love your videos, great job
Another good point! Got know the why. Mindset is huge part of training
Not kill, disable. If you happen to kill your assailant thats not your problem, but it shouldn't be your goal.
You have a gun in your hand. If you are trying to kill him, as you said, there a few other options that are available to you, outside of swing it at him violently
I don't think I learned anything but you guys are entertaining together . Good video
Mission failed successfully.
I was taught by an ex special forces person to stand in a bladed stance and hold the gun in the back hand with the other hand out in front - never to have the gun as the closest thing to the opponent.
You shouldn't need to be special forces to figure that out
@@hard2hurt In every disarm video I've seen, the person with the gun isn't standing that way. But then I don't get out much.
Get real professional training, not from a chairborne ranger. Start with a 4 point draw and shooting from retention. There isn't any credible firearms trainer that teaches you to fire one handed with your other arm held out in front of you.
@@brianm5637 This man was Cuban Special Forces Black Wasp. Read about them. They were killing machines.
@@brianm5637 not exactly true…here in SoCA part of the CC exam requires the applicant to fire one handed from each hand, as a Marine Vet, I agree with your premise
Whenever Mike says “you wanna hear a story?” My heart rate goes up
The "uh oh" face is utterly terrifying. Reminds of the look on the doctor's face after he said he could maybe persuade my badly healed broken hand into position until it loudly cracked. The pain nearly made me pass out but wondering if the elderly doctor was going to have a stroke was the scariest part
I've practiced knife disarms with wooden knives, and I can see why all these disarm techniques are problematic. Some techniques act like the attacker has one arm. Or like you can disarm someone without needing a weapon yourself. When we do our disarms, we're always using the weapon. Even with a stick, it's better to disarm the person with a weapon yourself, because reaching for the weapon is a really dumb idea.
Knife disarms make me very uncomfortable because some of them involve grabbing along the spine of the blade..but if it's double edged, you're about to drag that hand down the blade.
This is so good. In my training we practice running away, several jumps away with the gun. And an action loading a round into the chamber.
One of the black belts I trained with actually got into a situation. A gun pulled on him. He started the disarm, he didn't follow through. It became basically 2 guys trying to not let the other have the gun. He believes that he probably could have taken it. But when a bullet can actually fire into your body the calculation becomes different.
It was a stalemate. But the fact is, the is form, and there is application. He reacted, no one got shot. His training may have saved his life also maybe the criminal.
So this is an interesting case. Because no one else I've known has been in this situation. So I want to clarify
This happened between a couple cars in a parking lot. The disarm training we practiced. Had no limitations on space. But when reality happened to him, the training still counted. The main goal was to not have the barrel pointed at you.
He was able to control the gun enough to keep the barrel away from him. He did not have the goal of using the gun against his assailant. Only to prevent it from being used on him.
I remember him saying to me, humbly, "dude I just didn't wanna get shot." And I'm really proud of his action. He acted decisively. No one was wounded in any real way. It was ugly, and scary. But in the end the goals of self defence were met in a very really way.
I just changed my occupation I'm a roughneck and a drilling company now we drill all over the US if I ever get sent out to your part of the woods I definitely stop in for some lessons
This is a really good collaboration and what this channel is really the best at.
The real problem with Krav Maga is that it (when I dipped my toe in at least) doesn't train against resistance. It was essentially "self-defense" like we'd do in traditional martial arts.
As a tangent, does anyone reading in the comments remember "Shock Knives"? They allow you to adjust the voltage and back in the day, I thought they'd take off as a training tool. I guess they didn't.
I would *love* to see a video from this channel about them! Anyone else with me?
That's because Krav Maga is for combat and is based on a good offense is the best defense.
@@Jarlemoore1 Yeah, so I've been told. A lot of traditional martial arts use that same argument. I've got some opinions about training that doesn't "stress test", but I'll spare you them.
The's a pretty broad spectrum on how "Krav Maga" schools train. So YMMV
I hope you'll keep watching this channel! I encourage you to check out what Matt Thorton has to say about his experiences with Krav Maga on CZcams and Ryan Hoover who does some cool collaborations with this channel. You might really like it
Agree on the lacking live resistance part.
Did you spar in those Krav Maga classes?
you guys are fracking amazing and hilarious. Thank you for sharing. I am a self-defense instructor, sharing totally the same concerns, and refused to teach the " striking with the gun thing " as a systematic response every time you decide to react toward a threat with a gun. But...it is an option. We are faced with a problem when it s about knife or gun " counter-measures" . Yes, as instructors, we are trained, and often in multi-disciplines, including shooting. We still train hard every day. But when it s about your students, you know they won't be there for years. Should you show them the very low chance of success technique or should you let them figure it out by themselves (which they probably won't) / or by someone with fewer skills than you? Personally the more I know about knives and guns the more it terrifies me. But I also feel I have a responsibility toward my students. I decided to share what I know. In the best manner, I could. Even if the chances they fully deeply understand the techniques and their risks are not certain. I just remain honest about it.
Fantastic video thank you guys, you pumped my mood!
I'm going to be annoying and pedantic for a second...
What you did in your cop story was a muzzle strike, which I would argue is different than pistol whipping because the strike comes while the gun is still being held in the shooting grip in a way that maintains coverage of the target with the gun's primary function (ie, shooting). A muzzle strike comes out of gun handling fundamentals and becomes a point blank headshot very easily if it comes to that. As you showed, pistol whipping happens with the gun in whatever grip you happen to have it in and you're hitting in whatever motion -- the gun is essentially just a blunt object the same as whatever else you might pick up.
I'd argue there's a lot more utility in teaching muzzle strikes than pistol whipping.
Dam! That was a good point. Well said🤔
Where did you get your definitions from? Is there an official rulebook on terms used for hitting people with weapons? lol
@@hard2hurt lol I warned you it was an annoying and pedantic comment...
seriously though, you were a SWAT guy, right? do they not teach muzzle strikes in law enforcement CQB?
@@gw1357 I asked you a question.
@@hard2hurt Sorry, I thought you were being facetious. I took "muzzle strike" from CQB training and "pistol whipping" from the general way its used in popular media and conversation and extrapolated the difference.
I wasn't being snide with my question. They teach muzzle strikes (more with a rifle) in military CQB, but I don't know that they would teach it in law enforcement CQB because its potentially lethal.
Good job Mike. U always keep it fun mike. I think that's one of the reasons to your success keep up the good work bro I hope you never stop
The Dynamic application of an untrained but justifiable technique is essential to be prepared for! Never limit yourself and always examine what happened and what you did to learn a lesson after every encounter. Hate to use "always" and "never" but we have to learn from ourselves and others ..
My general tactic when a gun is pulled on me is to crap my pants. They are then so disgusted they just walk away.
The force is strong with this one.
Even if they end up shooting and robbing you, they will get your poop on them and ultimately that means you win.
This sounds like a good tactic! Only question is should we practice this technic in advance to make sure it is second nature during a real event or just go on instinct? LOL
@@hard2hurt can you imagine getting human poo on you for a debit card with -12.50 in it?
Apply toxic damage? Based
Love the term “Pistol Whipped”!
Its elegant
It's also really cool or if you want, "cool whipped"
When I got pistol whipped it was plastic and it cut me open… then I had to blur it on CZcams 😂
Yeah we have softer ones now!
Man , I just found this channel and I've learned more in the first 2 minutes than a 20 minute vid , new sub my friend.
I like this format where you stay on topic but diverge of subject. it makes it sound like your not just repeating the same thing. thank you.
F- I just love this channel for so many reasons. Thank you for this public service!!
Answered a lot of questions. Thanks!
It depends on how you disarmed the gun; hitting him like that could make sense. The strikes are meant to distract and/or stun so you can better your chances at making distance, rack the slide & wield the gun. Maybe just 1 or 2 strikes, then move back, etc. Otherwise, if you were still too close after the disarm, they can attempt to disarm you => constant fighting for the gun.
I love the editing during the intro, great sound fx haha
Oh the flinch you made when you booped him is legendary.
I had a similar moment, I work as a S/O at a hospital and we had a guy punching the window on the 6th floor and I have picked him up from behind and slammed him back onto his bed for us to restrain him.
I didn't realize he had a broken leg (unsure if it was broken it was in a cast) but I reacted the same way you did here haha!
I felt terrible.
Excellent episode!
Great video as always. I love them.
Gun disarms with paintball pistols would be a fun video!
Not for me.
The only issues I have is that anyone who has any sort of training with a firearm knows not to get so close to avoid getting disarmed.
And with a knife chances are you would not even get the chance to see it.
Always good skills to have, but be aware they may not save your life should it depend on it.
Dude! Just happened to be on the channel and a new upload happened! Cool!
I was watching you
Excellent observations.
For what it's worth Mike I think your scenario is justifiable. It could've gone worse and you shot someone on the ground but he only ended up with a cut.
I'm really impressed by this.
I see many things that just seem bad on their face, then worse when I practice them.
These techniques look solid, lots of keeping the elbows in, down, and retaining control of the weapon and opponent.
I train and teach Classic Krav Maga in Finland. And we NEVER do that. Secure the weapon, make space and if needed hit with it but we never do that jackhammer thing. And always hold the weapon the way it's supposed the be held and not sideways. Solid video and ideas. Definitely will take this to my teaching.
Great chemistry between these two
really good video, and the intro really made me laugh. Even though I teach krav maga myself, I tend to try to stay away from weapon disarm. To me, teaching weapon disarm in krav maga it's a little bit like teaching board breaking in karate. With the exception that teaching someone weapon disarm may actually get them killed.
I have a lot of respect for a dude who can take criticism of his art constructively and with humor. I'm a novice at best, I couldn't imagine being advanced and being able to handle someone talking about my art and how it's not practical and being able to talk through it.
I'm a huge advocate for humility when it comes to people being critical about your art. People will argue until the end of time about which art is better than which. But the reality is that no art is immune to criticism, and being able to respond to that feedback positively is just as important as being skilled in your practice.
I carry the Empress Tomahawk from wingard wearables. I would love to see a video with the trainer being used in this manner. Vs gun, vs knife, and empty handed ect. Maybe live sparring
Man, my respect goes way up for all law enforcement that have to deal with this shit. Such small margins for errors! Stay safe out ther ...
New fan binge watching your amazing videos. I'm new student martial arts (1 year), and find your videos very informative. Also, Mike is funny and makes me laugh.
You should try doing a larp of a home defense situation. Make safe versions of weapons in your home and place them where they would truthfully be. Get some friends to be your bad guys and have them draw different realistic scenarios out of a hat and you draw a random room to start in. Then defend yourself.
Interesting, funny and a good take to something that has been meme over a lot
Great video!
We need more Mike Cop Stories with a "sufficient change of details"
What's really funny is when I have to downplay how insane a story is because nobody would believe me if I said what actually happened.
My Kempo instructor has taught me basically after getting the gun create distance because it's a distance based weapon. I am not sure how legit weapon disarms are but if you end up getting a successful disarm you should probably train up on how to properly use that weapon the way it was designed to be used.
Dont ever try to do a Kempo defense technique IRL. I've seen enough of them to consider it more a suicide attempt than anything else.
Okay "Little Krav Maga feet" busted me out laughing
Really the biggest problem with Krav instructors teaching disarms is that they are not required to be shooters in order to get that qualification for teaching disarms. That leads to them either completely overeastimating the effects of a shot going off while you are fighting over the gun and saying crazy stuff like "the slide will rip your hand off" etc. or to them completely underestimating the effects of a shot going off while fighting over the gun. If you are gripping the slide and are not gripping hard enough, the front sight will cut you. If you are gripping it hard enough, it will still hurt, especially if you are doing any of the grips that put your hand not over and around the slide but have you hook behind it. Its not going to break your hand, but it will be a stiff hit to your palm or fingers. The muzzle blast into the face from holding the gun probably pretty tight to you when it goes off is also something to consider. If you havent experienced those things, especially if you are not a shooter at all, you could easily get spooked and let go off the gun like you touched a hot stove. In my opinion to properly teach gun disarms a range day has to be included where basics of shooting a handgun are covered, then malfunctions and malfunction clearing/inducing and then you have the students one by one under your direct supervision actually fire the gun while doing the various disarm grips with the other hand on it. Probably one with a stupid long slide like a G34 to make it easier and faster to get people to grip it without digits spilling over the end in front of the muzzle and only one round loaded at a time in case they do drop it. Make them experience it and let them remember that it hurts, but does not cause real injuries. Then they will understand what it is that they are practicing.
Picked up those trainers. Thanks for the info Mike!
Another story which involved is that I went to a week long training class put on by a very well known police instructor. Each morning we did 2 or more hours working on weapon retention and weapon recovery. The goal was that once you got loose with your gun still in the holster or recovered your from the other guy was to create distance. A lot of distance, like running away distance. Of course this course was geared more to civilians were a cop might not have that option but I think creating distance would still be important for an officer.
Aaron was my 1st Krav instructor and a great instructor he is! Now that I'm an instructor of a Krav hybrid I like to try and run as many possible scenarios as I can think of. Make it as realistic as possible. Cuz the assailant is definitely try and keep their weapon!
That story reminds me of something Jocko said that got me interested in BJJ. Apparently in the military that’s pretty common to hit people with the muzzle of your rifle and all it does is make people bleed and cause a mess. He emphasized the importance of knowing how to control somebody and it made me start training bjj(and MMA)
Where I trained we did muzzle strikes with the pistol, not hamburgers. Got to keep the barrel pointing in a safe direction and avoid muzzle sweeping yourself like Icy Mike did 50 times in this vid, right? Like at the bad guy. If it goes off it’s a case of “oh well”.
You need this guy in "Ultimate Self Defense Championship" ;)
My problems with gun disarms is that you aren't likely to disarm somebody that is brandishing from 20'+ away.
You also aren't likely to disarm somebody that isn't alone, especially if their companion/gang is also armed.
Travel in groups. Get CCWs.
Ok? lol
Disarming techniques are not meant for those scenarios.
The foot shuffle cracks me up.
All good points!
Self defence is tricky at best.
For beginners you need to give them some set tools to use.
Then they have to be confident enough with then to use under pressure so you cant overload them with ifs and buts. In situations not involving weapons any swift and confident response is better than no response. And even with knife defence (if the attacker is hell bent on stabby stabby) an aggressive coherent response is better than none.
Personally I think the best move after you have control of the gun, is to try to throw your opponent in a way that will leave you on your feet and them on the floor. That way you can point the gun at them without having to worry about further grappling. And therefore you have complete control over the situation.
I have my youtube on 2x speed and 0:23 0:40 0:45 really got me on the floor lmfao. The sound of him moving forward in fast tiny steps and the "AaAaAa" pure gold
Love your videos 👌
That's true, that's why you should train under pressure. Some schools do that, and it automatically shows what works and what does not.
*Boop* "Don't you do that!"
For serious, mister!
Now I'm imagining Cops but it's Bas Rutten solving every situation with clotheslines
One thing that annoys me even more are the people who do the disarm, whatever it is, and soon as they take the gun, they stand straight and just hand the gun back almost in one motion. No follow action, no creating distance, no counter attack, nothing. They just take the gun and give it back in one fluid motion
I was the guy Mike pistol whipped and my lawyer assures me it wasnt legal. Dont worry Mike, youll be hearing the details soon.
Jokes on you it wasn't even a guy!
@@hard2hurt lmao!!!
For the simplest version of a gun disarm. Or literally to take anything off a guy. Aikido wrist lock then strip the weapon out through that thumb gap. For a gun or knife it points it back on the person. For a glass or bottle (which was my jam) it takes it out without throwing stuff everywhere. Otherwise it is a super handy trick if they are holding something you want to.
"Boop! Don't you do that!" Classic. That was a very brief version of a terrifying story, but so funny.
Those punch and kick counters from Kuk Sool Won are comical. Every time we practice any technique it was always with a completely compliant partner. I would love to see you talk more about KSW specifically, as someone who's wasted a lot of their time practicing it.
But man oh man I thought I was really learning something.
@@hard2hurt Same here. What I did learn that is useful I am very grateful for, though most of the time it was techniques from my school owners prior martial arts experience.
Gotta admit I was surprised to see IceyMike bust out the first technique from KSW. I'm curious why you say 'wasted' your time. I used to practice KSW and yes it has flaws but things like light/no-contact sparring were instrumental in teaching me control and distance management.
@@williamharvey8358 It was definitely excellent at teaching distance management and control when/if we ever sparred, though the judging was horrid every time. I say I wasted my time, mostly because of the hours upon hours of doing techniques of questionable efficacy against another person who is as resistant as a sack of potatoes.
@02:55 he nailed the problem with most 'martial art' self-defense techniques (that the opponent will be 'cooperative'/passive/just stand there)...
The Krav maga feet part killed me! 😂 Anyway good advice in my opinion nicely done.
The Krav I trained in was real life simulation so we ALWAYS FOUGHT BACK at any capacity.
Usually defense involved, getting the weapon and retreating to safe distance, clear the weapon.
"Do a tactical roll!" Mike
😂 joke or not that was a smooth transition 😎
Thanks
You two are very funny together. You ever consider doing periodical cop story videos Mike? I dig your stories.
Good point. I have seen this by alot of schools whereas they have no consideration of the student's safety because punching someone with a gun in your hand will hurt/break your hand or worse make you lose possesion of your gun. Lose your gun lose your life? I would reccomend when you have successfully disarmed them re-rack the gun, point the muzzle on your target while moving at an angle, i.e. 45 degree and increase distance away from the threat while telling them to show them to show their hands and checking your surroundings for other threats. Depending on your role of citizen, police officer, military be cognizant of your State laws or Military rules/regs and rules of engagment because real life gives no shorts.
Imagine surviving an engagement only to be arrested because your did not follow your State's self defense laws, or your agencies use of force policies to the letter? Good video, keep posting
This was the video that made me subscribe
I was given an aluminum training gun by an old time DT instructor. Thing probably weighs a pound and a half and scrapes a layer of skin off every time you put your finger in the trigger guard.
The intro! Priceless!
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I've been training Krav Maga for 7 years now, and our club's response right after the disarm is to hold the gun in the back hand, close to belt in case of eventual witneses thinking we are the one with a gun, ofc gun prepared for dealing blunt damage and first hand mainly striking (often instantly leaving the place of action).
They stopped teaching that at our school, we usually create distance after we have the firearm if we can
The hands aren't made to hold hamburgers very well.
That's a good one
Have you covered motocycle/tactical gloves with that armor on the knuckles sometimes the armor is made from carbon fiber oakly tactical versions were pretty popular back in the day. But i think motorcyclists were using them first only diffrence is the tactical ones are usual tan green or black where is the moto ones are colorful to match your leathers or bike.
After you do a takeaway, why do you keep holding the firearm with the barrel pointed toward yourself?
To trigger nerds in the comments. Just kidding. I didn't. You're confused.
I look at self defense methods as a tree with branches. In any technique there is a start... but depending on what happens you may take a different branch. Never force a technique to be just one way and no matter what happens you must follow the technique through. Situations change in fractions of a second.
My previous comment written before I saw the demonstration of the front kick.
To add:
That was exactly what we were taught as a base technique.
A person would do that base technique for about most of the class and in the end we would present the concept of the struggling threat. And then discuss what happened.
Then next class we would continue from the base technique then again struggling threat and then switch the angle of the threat, or the hight of which the gun was held.
We usually did two weeks of gun defenses. Then two weeks of knife defences, then two weeks of something else. So it was a cycle. Again, my experience from one gym, in Bulgaria, that might have been above average.
Too funny! Thank you.
The problem with most martial arts gun disarm techniques is that you’ll probably get shot trying to do them.
Personally i like headbutting the shoulder when practicing disarming makes it easier especially when i am smaller than the opponent in muscle mass
I love this. I am Israeli and I didn't try Krav Maga yet. I am a martial artist for nearly 25 years now, and let me tell you something I think Mike will agree with me on- Do not try to disarm a gun, and disarming any weapon is not the smartest idea. But it's a question of distance. If you are far away from the potential shooter don't even try. Try to talk with him or max give him what he wants, better to lose a wallet than lose a life. Realistically you need someone to provide a distraction, and then you can close the gap to disarm your attacker. From close you need to be crazy. And if you already decide to be crazy and take a huge risk, until the gun is in your hand aim it outside of your body and try to control the hand not the gun. If there is anything I recommend for making him lose the weapon- When you got your hand on his hand, knee strike to the wrist until he let it go. Break his wrist, and sure it's extreme but the situation is also. So don't feel sorry for your attacker.
He said "with their little Krav Maga feet" 😂😂
I've learned some krav maga in Israel (few different places), and never saw those gunslaps actually. It is either a hammer strike with the gun or (more often) punches, but all the teachers highlighted the point that you should adjust it to the situation and do what's right for the moment.
Same here. Actually I remember also stepping back and racking the slide immediately I believe, maybe only 1 hit after the disarm, but that was many years ago when I was only a kid.
Question for those more familiar with how guns work...
At 5:05 when they're wrestling for the gun and the "defender" is holding the top of the gun, what would happen if the "attacker" pulled the trigger? I'm imagining significant hand injury from the heat of the weapon, the ejection of the shell, and from the movement of the slide. Is that accurate?
Just one thought why in Krav Maga, after disarming, the opponent is immediately hit with the weapon: Krav Maga was developed for soldiers. Soldiers usually don't just have one weapon. So I would imagine that the reason for immediately hitting the opponent with his weapon is to prevent him from drawing another weapon and take him out as quickly as possible. I may be wrong but that's just a thought. Greetings from Austria and PS: Congratulation to your Channel! Real good stuff!
Some Krav Magas do have an immediate hit while staring the disarm, others strike with the weapon after the disarm, different KMs. I think all of them demand an immediate aggressive VIOLENT response. Just how to pull that off depends on who is teaching.
As a rookie, back in the 90s, I once chased down a robbery suspect at night in a residential alley. He started to stop and i jumped and put my knee in his back and he fell to the ground. I pistol whipped him with my 682 several times to the head and then...I placed my pistol to my side on the ground... so I could get my cuffs out to cuff him and pull his pistol out of his waistband. I was successful in this stupid technique, but the police helicopter that had arrived on the scene just before my takedown, later showed me the IR film where he stopped and took aim with his pistol (RG 22) in the darkness about 20 seconds before he finally started to stop and I put my knee in his back. The .22 cartridge in the pistol had been hit as evidenced by the indention in the rim. The SW 682 was the perfect pistol whipping weapon and was used many times by me in situations where I knew my physical techniques could save lives. Today's "police", as a rule, get scared and spray and pray. Pathetic.
Icy Mike with the pistol ridge hand
Haha i stole it from aaron and then cut out him showing it to me