I saw someone say this on Twitter, SF is just much less stressful of an environment to play in compared to NY. Davis thrived when the pressure was off and he could just simply play baseball again
Honestly the Mets might not ever be good. With an owner that his hands that much into the team the short leases might not ever allow a team to actually flourish
That makes no sense what so ever. So the Mets are better off not having the richest owner in sports. Let’s remember this when Cohen signs Oshanti because nobody is going to be able to come close to what the Mets are going to offer him.
I was upset when they traded JD, I knew he had so much potential. When they traded him, I understood he was given the opportunity to start and wasn't living up to his potential. I still was against it but understood. I'm very happy he's successful though, the change was good for him. I feel most fans were more upset about seeing Dom Smith go. But I knew Davis was worth keeping, I even made him my starting 3B in MLB the show. Lolol
Yep. I hate videos that get dragged out and you’re hearing some guy in love with his own voice talking for 15 minutes about a topic that doesn’t demand that amount of time.
Productivity has much to do with the organization you're playing for as a whole. Not happy? Poor productivity, we see this happen all the time why pretend we don't know this? JD was not happy on the Mets, and neither was Conforto- sometimes you have to let guys go for everyone's sake.
side note about the 3 prospects, 1 of them has spent time in the bigs for the giants and the other is currently the #17 prospect in their farm. in case you wanted it to look even worse.
When JD played well for the Mets, he usually started off the season as a starter. Then the Met organization started to platoon him and often started the season with only a few at-bats. He would struggle in his pinch-hit ABs and rare starts. Then, when they decided to give him the starting role for a while, he was essentially just starting the season looking for his rhythm. At the same time, the Met organization was basically saying "Well, here we are giving you the starting role and you're not producing." So, after a month or so of batting .250 or so w/little pop, they started platooning him again. This cycle went on until they traded him. The Met organization is one of the worse ones out there. Why do players that are struggling turn their slumps around when they face the Mets? Why do below-average or journeyman pitchers do great against the Mets? Why do our aces have HRs hit against them so often? I wonder if there is a stat out there where it shows the % of hits given up by a pitcher were HRs. I bet -- at least when he was w/the Mets -- that deGrom had the highest % EVER. He'd give up 4 hits and 2 of them would be HRs from below .260 hitters so often.
Those other two prospects (Carson Seymour and Nick Zwack) are both currently with the Giants' AA affiliate, the Richmond Flying Squirrels. Zwack isn't doing well at the moment - 7.58 ERA in 9 games (8 starts), but Seymour has a 2.94 ERA in his 9 games (7 starts). Considering they're 17th and 6th-round draft picks, respectively, that's not awful. Also, Szapucki was actually really good for the Giants before he got hurt. Don't be fooled by his 7.20 season ERA last year - that was from the Giants hanging 9 runs on him during his one appearance with the Mets. After we picked him up, he had an ERA just under 2 in 10 games with us.
to be fair, Ruf was a very big and important part of the Giants' 2021 and 2022 season so i don't blame the Mets for wanting him. the defensive brilliance of Davis this season has come as a surprise as well as the consistency at the plate. so looking back this wasn't as lopsided as a trade as it's portrayed to be, but as a Giants fan we'll take it ;)
You mean Mets fans don’t love watching Vogelbach strike out faster then he gains weight? Hey but he’s a real fun guy in the clubhouse and dugout for moral.
This trade is low key hands down one of the absolute W O R S T trades by the Mets, E V E R. Even JD straight up for Ruf in the mind of a sane man would be an automatic NO , but the Mets took it up a notch by throwing in not one not two but T H R E R additional players for that bum Ruf. Who did the Mets think they were trading for, Wade Boggs?
As a METS fan, DUMBEST TRADE EVER!! Problem with our team is we do not leave our young guys on the field long enough to develop the ability to succeed. Vientos is going through it now and if Nido and Narvaez wasn’t hurt Alvarez wouldn’t get as much time. If you don’t hit the ground running (Alonso, deGrom, McNeil, Nimmo) you ride the bench and let the wood of the seat soak in the player’s potential. JD is a good-to-great hitter. Just needed more REGULAR time on the field. Ruf was a problem and in the moment of the trade I was against the trade because I saw JD’s potential from his first at-bat. The Astros and Mets has slept on him. I think EVERY Mets fan saw his potential and wouldn’t have traded him for Ruf! Mets history says each management group has at least one bad trade or deal. Brodie traded off three hitters, Wilpon’s got the shit end of the Cespedes deal (HUGE fan of Cespedes, so this is hard for me to say). We’re still paying Bobby Bonilla $1 million per year til 2035 ( I think that long) and he hasn’t played and has been retired for years!! Mets are going to Mets! It’s why I love the team, I guess 😅
I will say i hated this trade because his track record was great with the bat and a bounce back seemed super likely. But nobody could have seen him becoming one of the best defensive third basemen this year that’s insane
Nah don’t agree. Some players just don’t work in some teams I have seen this with the Yankees a million times you take them out of ny and they start hitting doesn’t mean ny is stupid means they just couldn’t handle it or couldn’t adapt to ny everyone’s better if they leave the team tries something new and the player gets a second chance
Seems like a typical situation of the pressure in NY was too much to handle. Not a trade situation but one of the mets worst singings was Jason Bay. Dude killed for the Sox but didn't show up to play in NY
I wouldn’t really say it was a dumb trade, the Mets were looking for production from the right side and Ruf provided that before his time in NY. It doesn’t help that JD wasn’t producing either.
Guys get traded all the time after playing poorly on a team and start playing much better. It happens all the time doesn’t mean it was a bad trade. Sometime that player needed a change of scenery. plus the Mets had 2 third base prospects (Baty and Vientos) coming up in the minors, and they will both be way better than JD Davis ever was for the Mets. Glad JD is doing well in Fisco
Gurriel was often injured which made him unreliable. This wasn’t a stupid trade it was 2 teams getting rid of what they thought was dead weight at the time.
As a Mets fan this was so so dumb and just a baseball fan never made any sense, but I can’t complain at lest my Mets do stuff compared to not doing nothing at all with the Wilpons however you spell it I hated them lol
Farhan isn't perfect, but he is the best in the league at finding guys who simply need new scenery and turning them into every day starters, giants play moneyball better than anyone in this baseball era. 5th richest team but almost a league average payroll in 2021
The Mets have Baty at third base and JD Davis was blocking him from coming up. The Mets wanted to get rid of JD Davis so Baty could come up. I am happy he is doing well with Giants, but happier Baty is Mets third baseman.
As a Phillies fan, I have zero clue how Darin Ruf has stayed in the league so long. When he came up he could barely stay healthy and only hit homers or struck out as a player who didn’t walk
Mets didnt even need to get Vogelbach either. If they had just let JD play at DH every day instead of doing the stupid platoon thing they're obsessed with he wouldve done fine. He needs regular playing time, as he's showing with the Giants
Davis sucked in 2022. No getting around it. He was worth -0.6 WAR for the Mets in 2022 and failed to claim to DH job despite being given every opportunity. Trading him for Darin Ruf was dumb only because Ruf was actually wortse
more i study the game. the more i feel the owners just colude. ok guys its ur turn for the playoffs. these 8 teams get a run this year. playoffs are bought and paid for before season starts.
Nonsense JD was given so many opportunities with the Mets and he couldn't produce the way he has in the two months of this year. But remember its only two months let's see what he does in a full season.
His wrist is back at full strength which was a big reason for his first half struggles last season and now he is top 5 in the NL in exit velo while also being used as an everyday starter and not a platoon player... Maybe he's just a guy who needs consistent AB's to get rolling.
@@Ares14 I'm not to worry about BA anymore. If he can consistently produce 20+ homers 70+ RBI's and an OPS over 725 I'll take it too. Then and only then will I say that the Mets should have kept him. Last Year Eduardo Escobar had 20 HRs, 69 RBI's, and an OPS of 726.
God I knew this trade was a head scratcher, but I didn't know it was this bad. Sometimes I think the Dodgers are a bit too relaxed on letting guys figure things out, but thank god they don't pull this shit. I was actually kinda dumbfounded when I heard about this trade last year.
I dont really care for him. His defense is good, but under Gurriel's. He's a double play machine. His hustle is 0. Reminds me of a Gary Sanchez, Carlos Lee, Stanton.. Dosen't seem to care.. I could be wrong, but just what I see.
Darin ruf vs lefties before the trade was a better hitter than JD. Obviously trade went horribly for the mets but you make it sound like everyone saw this coming when you really couldn't
Who cares? He couldn't handle NY. Happy he's doing good somewhere else, but he couldn't hack it here. Happens to tons of players. Low pressure suits them. It is what it is. You're seriously overdoing it with how bad the trade is.
Can e we please not act like JD Davis is a top tier ball player. Ruff was awful and clearly Ruff doesn’t have the balls to handle NY but either did Davis. Had Davis never got traded he would have continued to suck with the Mets.
I knew what this was the minute I saw the thumbnail. I've been laughing at this absolute highway robbery my Giants pulled on the Mets for close to a year now. Darin Ruf for a better Darin Ruf, *plus* three pitchers. I've seen jokes about how many teams don't even bother answering Farhan Zaidi's calls anymore after the number of great trades he's made. I mean, look up the complete list of players we traded for Davis, Yaz, LaMonte Wade Jr., and Thairo Estrada (all highly productive starters this year) - Ruf might well be the *best* player on that list.
I saw someone say this on Twitter, SF is just much less stressful of an environment to play in compared to NY. Davis thrived when the pressure was off and he could just simply play baseball again
There was never much pressure placed upon Davis, expectations were reasonable. It’s about what they got in return, more like what they didn’t.
A lot of it has to do with his wrist. I think Davis even mentioned that it hasn't been back to full strength until recently.
Been saying this! Imagine if some of these huge name players had actually signed with sf over the years 😢
@@chop3625 guy literally had one bad half of a season and you're talking about pressure
As a dodger fan I would pick sf to play in. Awesome fans amazing ballpark solid team with nice players
Finally someone is speaking about this
the Mets are one of the worst run teams in terms of player analyst
Lots of home grown guys in that line up , rookies are producing too
Honestly the Mets might not ever be good. With an owner that his hands that much into the team the short leases might not ever allow a team to actually flourish
@@jakestakes9075 horrible take
That makes no sense what so ever. So the Mets are better off not having the richest owner in sports. Let’s remember this when Cohen signs Oshanti because nobody is going to be able to come close to what the Mets are going to offer him.
I was upset when they traded JD, I knew he had so much potential. When they traded him, I understood he was given the opportunity to start and wasn't living up to his potential. I still was against it but understood. I'm very happy he's successful though, the change was good for him. I feel most fans were more upset about seeing Dom Smith go. But I knew Davis was worth keeping, I even made him my starting 3B in MLB the show. Lolol
I don't understand why fans in mass aren't screaming for Eppler's firing. As soon as he traded Holderman for Vogel, i knew we had a dumb gm.
@@latinreuben As a Pirates fan, I think the Mets should keep the GM. I’d like more players like Holderman.
@@crowtservo Take Vogel back. I insist.
@@latinreuben No thanks, we got Cutch again.
Good video format. Quick, to the point, and interesting.
Yep. I hate videos that get dragged out and you’re hearing some guy in love with his own voice talking for 15 minutes about a topic that doesn’t demand that amount of time.
1:59 we all know that homers against Mark Melancon don’t count
Productivity has much to do with the organization you're playing for as a whole. Not happy? Poor productivity, we see this happen all the time why pretend we don't know this? JD was not happy on the Mets, and neither was Conforto- sometimes you have to let guys go for everyone's sake.
side note about the 3 prospects, 1 of them has spent time in the bigs for the giants and the other is currently the #17 prospect in their farm. in case you wanted it to look even worse.
Ruf was a fan favorite in SF, but given his age in a lost season and getting back FOUR players seemed like a no brainer.
When JD played well for the Mets, he usually started off the season as a starter. Then the Met organization started to platoon him and often started the season with only a few at-bats. He would struggle in his pinch-hit ABs and rare starts. Then, when they decided to give him the starting role for a while, he was essentially just starting the season looking for his rhythm. At the same time, the Met organization was basically saying "Well, here we are giving you the starting role and you're not producing." So, after a month or so of batting .250 or so w/little pop, they started platooning him again. This cycle went on until they traded him. The Met organization is one of the worse ones out there. Why do players that are struggling turn their slumps around when they face the Mets? Why do below-average or journeyman pitchers do great against the Mets? Why do our aces have HRs hit against them so often? I wonder if there is a stat out there where it shows the % of hits given up by a pitcher were HRs. I bet -- at least when he was w/the Mets -- that deGrom had the highest % EVER. He'd give up 4 hits and 2 of them would be HRs from below .260 hitters so often.
Would have been cool to mention how the 3 prospects are doing so far. I know Szapucki is out with an injury but haven’t checked on the others.
Those other two prospects (Carson Seymour and Nick Zwack) are both currently with the Giants' AA affiliate, the Richmond Flying Squirrels. Zwack isn't doing well at the moment - 7.58 ERA in 9 games (8 starts), but Seymour has a 2.94 ERA in his 9 games (7 starts). Considering they're 17th and 6th-round draft picks, respectively, that's not awful.
Also, Szapucki was actually really good for the Giants before he got hurt. Don't be fooled by his 7.20 season ERA last year - that was from the Giants hanging 9 runs on him during his one appearance with the Mets. After we picked him up, he had an ERA just under 2 in 10 games with us.
Billy Eppler. That is all.
to be fair, Ruf was a very big and important part of the Giants' 2021 and 2022 season so i don't blame the Mets for wanting him. the defensive brilliance of Davis this season has come as a surprise as well as the consistency at the plate. so looking back this wasn't as lopsided as a trade as it's portrayed to be, but as a Giants fan we'll take it ;)
You mean Mets fans don’t love watching Vogelbach strike out faster then he gains weight?
Hey but he’s a real fun guy in the clubhouse and dugout for moral.
And an above average hitter getting paid way below league average
Thanks for Holderman!
Imagine if the Mets had 2023 JD Davis instead of fucking Vogelbach or Canha. Immediately a way better team.
Negative: is the whole team. They suck hahaha 😂
@@ishottheserf6715 he’d been pretty good in previous years
You call this a bad trade... maybe he just needed a new set of scenery
As a Mets fan I was ok getting him out of New York but it hurts now knowing that we are ultimately left with nothing in return
This trade is low key hands down one of the absolute W O R S T trades by the Mets, E V E R. Even JD straight up for Ruf in the mind of a sane man would be an automatic NO , but the Mets took it up a notch by throwing in not one not two but T H R E R additional players for that bum Ruf. Who did the Mets think they were trading for, Wade Boggs?
the prospects are basically duds so it was a 1 for 1 swap
@@peachy-tay wrong. Szapucki did great coming out of the bullpen for the giants last season. He had a 1.98 ERA in 13.2 innings pitched
JD hitting 126 OPS+ is really not bad at all. It’s 26 percentiles above league average, definitely a solid hitter before he fell off
He was just slumping lmao
As a METS fan, DUMBEST TRADE EVER!! Problem with our team is we do not leave our young guys on the field long enough to develop the ability to succeed. Vientos is going through it now and if Nido and Narvaez wasn’t hurt Alvarez wouldn’t get as much time. If you don’t hit the ground running (Alonso, deGrom, McNeil, Nimmo) you ride the bench and let the wood of the seat soak in the player’s potential. JD is a good-to-great hitter. Just needed more REGULAR time on the field. Ruf was a problem and in the moment of the trade I was against the trade because I saw JD’s potential from his first at-bat. The Astros and Mets has slept on him. I think EVERY Mets fan saw his potential and wouldn’t have traded him for Ruf! Mets history says each management group has at least one bad trade or deal. Brodie traded off three hitters, Wilpon’s got the shit end of the Cespedes deal (HUGE fan of Cespedes, so this is hard for me to say). We’re still paying Bobby Bonilla $1 million per year til 2035 ( I think that long) and he hasn’t played and has been retired for years!! Mets are going to Mets! It’s why I love the team, I guess 😅
Darin Ruf was so horrendous as a Met that he got a standing ovation for drawing a walk at the wild card game I was at
great video!
My brother played on the same travel ball team with JD for years! Never gonna count him out
Was this video suppose to end like that
I will say i hated this trade because his track record was great with the bat and a bounce back seemed super likely. But nobody could have seen him becoming one of the best defensive third basemen this year that’s insane
Never understood why Mets traded for Ruf, and then let him walk. For 3 top prospects no less
man, my giants robbed them blind!
Nah don’t agree. Some players just don’t work in some teams I have seen this with the Yankees a million times you take them out of ny and they start hitting doesn’t mean ny is stupid means they just couldn’t handle it or couldn’t adapt to ny everyone’s better if they leave the team tries something new and the player gets a second chance
Steve Cohen's oil changes cost more than the entire Rays payroll so the Mets front office gets antsy.
Frank the Tank is somewhere smiling
Finally a stupid trade Chaim Bloom wasn't responsible for.
Nobody will remember how bad this trade was when the Pirates promote former Mets prospect Endy Rodriguez. He was traded for Joey Lucchesi.
Worst trade in a while for sure. Ruf was well rough for us. Not sure if it was being in NYC? Same for JD, goes to a smaller market per say?
Giants are a smaller market? Lol
Got that right. Next to Jed Lowrie its one of the most annoying acquisitions for the Mets this past decade.
Seems like a typical situation of the pressure in NY was too much to handle. Not a trade situation but one of the mets worst singings was Jason Bay. Dude killed for the Sox but didn't show up to play in NY
Who gives a dam? We got Baty and Vientos, LFGM
It takes a special person to thrive in New York.
I wouldn’t really say it was a dumb trade, the Mets were looking for production from the right side and Ruf provided that before his time in NY. It doesn’t help that JD wasn’t producing either.
Bad trade but the nolan arenado trade is just down right the worst imo
The Austin Nola trade is the worst if you wanna go back to 2020
The cardinals would like them to hold their beer. Sandy Alcantara and Zac Gallen plus for Marcel Ozuna? This one isn’t even close lol
varsho trade is also pretty horrendous for the blue jays
Lol @ mark Mets.
i loved JD JD and Nimmo are my favorite
The Mets made the trade because there's a log-jam at 3B between Baty and Vientos.
Guys get traded all the time after playing poorly on a team and start playing much better. It happens all the time doesn’t mean it was a bad trade. Sometime that player needed a change of scenery. plus the Mets had 2 third base prospects (Baty and Vientos) coming up in the minors, and they will both be way better than JD Davis ever was for the Mets. Glad JD is doing well in Fisco
Except it was an awful trade because the Mets also gave up 3 prospects on top of Davis for a guy who is no longer on the team. That’s pretty abysmal
Same can be said for us Blue Jays. Trading a potential amazing player in Moreno and Gurriel jr for Varsho was just terrible.
Gurriel was often injured which made him unreliable. This wasn’t a stupid trade it was 2 teams getting rid of what they thought was dead weight at the time.
As a Mets fan this was so so dumb and just a baseball fan never made any sense, but I can’t complain at lest my Mets do stuff compared to not doing nothing at all with the Wilpons however you spell it I hated them lol
“Dumbest trade in Baseball history”? I guess you never heard of Sandy Alcantra for Marcel Ozuna or Randy Arozarena for Mathew Liberatore.
Maybe, just maybe JD was not happy with New York Mets.
Been saying this since the day they made the trade...mets always seems to mess up a good thing.
Farhan isn't perfect, but he is the best in the league at finding guys who simply need new scenery and turning them into every day starters, giants play moneyball better than anyone in this baseball era. 5th richest team but almost a league average payroll in 2021
The Mets have Baty at third base and JD Davis was blocking him from coming up. The Mets wanted to get rid of JD Davis so Baty could come up. I am happy he is doing well with Giants, but happier Baty is Mets third baseman.
Yet another story to add to the pile of the LOLMets meme
As a Phillies fan, I have zero clue how Darin Ruf has stayed in the league so long. When he came up he could barely stay healthy and only hit homers or struck out as a player who didn’t walk
When he was with the Giants, he was great against lefties. Was pretty clutch in 2021..
I don’t miss JD at all. But they completely didn’t get back proper value for him
That’s how the video ended ? 🤦🏽♂️
Mets didnt even need to get Vogelbach either. If they had just let JD play at DH every day instead of doing the stupid platoon thing they're obsessed with he wouldve done fine. He needs regular playing time, as he's showing with the Giants
Picture to stress in New York he was going through .
Mets deserve everything, Go BRAVES
another buddy guy trying to dump on the mets.
Davis sucked in 2022. No getting around it.
He was worth -0.6 WAR for the Mets in 2022 and failed to claim to DH job despite being given every opportunity. Trading him for Darin Ruf was dumb only because Ruf was actually wortse
Has the NL West maube not realized this guu can't hit a fastball in the upper part of the zone? It's a guaranteed strike out. lol
Shh, if you spell it correctly, the NL West might notice!
more i study the game. the more i feel the owners just colude. ok guys its ur turn for the playoffs. these 8 teams get a run this year. playoffs are bought and paid for before season starts.
Mets gonna met
I didn't second guess this trade from the beginning I didn't like it Eppler has not shown himself to be as astute GM
To be fair, it wasn't really a "dumb" trade. Given the Mets' options, it wasn't a horrible decision. Just unlucky, basically
I mean its a bit irrelevant since Batys here.
I hate Eppler, Mets GM. He's destroyed our team being inept.
George Brett baty
Nonsense JD was given so many opportunities with the Mets and he couldn't produce the way he has in the two months of this year. But remember its only two months let's see what he does in a full season.
His wrist is back at full strength which was a big reason for his first half struggles last season and now he is top 5 in the NL in exit velo while also being used as an everyday starter and not a platoon player... Maybe he's just a guy who needs consistent AB's to get rolling.
@@Ares14 I want to see what he does in a full season. I still don't believe he will turn into Manny Machado or Alex Bregman
@@atlrts If he can be 20 homers and a .270BA guy with decent defense, I'll take it.
@@Ares14 I'm not to worry about BA anymore. If he can consistently produce 20+ homers 70+ RBI's and an OPS over 725 I'll take it too. Then and only then will I say that the Mets should have kept him. Last Year Eduardo Escobar had 20 HRs, 69 RBI's, and an OPS of 726.
@@atlrts Fair enough.
He was bad on Ny
Vogelbach and Ruf are horrible
@@thefishhobbyist5478you seem like the type of guy that gets out of the shower to take a piss. Go home fish boy 😅
God I knew this trade was a head scratcher, but I didn't know it was this bad. Sometimes I think the Dodgers are a bit too relaxed on letting guys figure things out, but thank god they don't pull this shit. I was actually kinda dumbfounded when I heard about this trade last year.
Please don’t take Our Lord’s Name in vain. Peace!
Fleeced
Like the Astros cutting Gurriel for Abreau???
I don't know how much longer we can ignore the Jose Abreu situation.
@@slowmo338 Exactly. His defense is solid but he is a gaping hole in the line up. And I like the guy.
I dont really care for him.
His defense is good, but under Gurriel's.
He's a double play machine.
His hustle is 0.
Reminds me of a Gary Sanchez, Carlos Lee, Stanton..
Dosen't seem to care..
I could be wrong, but just what I see.
@@slowmo338 his hustle is 0, he maybe a pot sweetener at the deadline.
Darin ruf vs lefties before the trade was a better hitter than JD. Obviously trade went horribly for the mets but you make it sound like everyone saw this coming when you really couldn't
Go giants 😂
Who cares? He couldn't handle NY. Happy he's doing good somewhere else, but he couldn't hack it here. Happens to tons of players. Low pressure suits them. It is what it is. You're seriously overdoing it with how bad the trade is.
Can e we please not act like JD Davis is a top tier ball player. Ruff was awful and clearly Ruff doesn’t have the balls to handle NY but either did Davis. Had Davis never got traded he would have continued to suck with the Mets.
I knew what this was the minute I saw the thumbnail. I've been laughing at this absolute highway robbery my Giants pulled on the Mets for close to a year now. Darin Ruf for a better Darin Ruf, *plus* three pitchers. I've seen jokes about how many teams don't even bother answering Farhan Zaidi's calls anymore after the number of great trades he's made. I mean, look up the complete list of players we traded for Davis, Yaz, LaMonte Wade Jr., and Thairo Estrada (all highly productive starters this year) - Ruf might well be the *best* player on that list.
Sometime ppl just need a change
We have 2 better 3rd basemen than him