Stealing Storage from Telegram

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  • čas přidán 7. 05. 2024
  • By popular demand.
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    Chapters:
    00:00 Last Time
    00:40 Shameless plug
    0:42 Why I Didn't Do That
    1:58 What/Why Telegram
    2:32 Not Banned Yet
    2:43 Teldrive
    3:20 FUSE programs
    4:36 Implementing It
    6:18 Fixing It
    6:34 Writing is Hard
    9:48 Reading is Also Hard
    10:52 Performance
    11:29 TY, CYA
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Komentáře • 299

  • @shayhan6227
    @shayhan6227 Před 2 měsíci +41

    This guy is the reason free services eventually start to cost money.

    • @R_Samnan
      @R_Samnan Před 9 dny +4

      Yea specially if its out in the public then alot of people will do the same, just because something is free doesnt mean it has no expenses behind it

  • @devdetour
    @devdetour  Před 2 měsíci +34

    1 correction, when I mention at 10:37 that Telegram is doing some encryption stuff and maybe that's why it's slow, this is incorrect. Though Telegram DOES support encryption, this was not an encrypted chat, so that wouldn't make things slow.
    Another clarification, I knew what RAR was before my last video, just not that it could break files into chunks and password protect them. I guess I phrased this badly :)

    • @Yoshidzo
      @Yoshidzo Před 14 dny +1

      The thing you mentioned is actually about end-to-end encryption (E2EE). Every chat is encrypted by default. The difference is whenever this encryption is E2E (telegram secret chats) or client-server (default).

    • @DarkxPunk
      @DarkxPunk Před 8 dny

      And to add, the data is not only encrypted to the server, it’s is obfuscated by breaking it into pieces and storing it on multiple servers so if only one server is access the data is junk.

  • @rayanfernandes2631
    @rayanfernandes2631 Před 3 měsíci +171

    2 years ago I wanted build the exact same fuse mount thingy with telegram, but gave up since it was very very very much ambitious for my knowledge in systems file i/o operations. Really informative content, Keep em coming. Enjoyed every bit! ❤

  • @Yuki-HoYo
    @Yuki-HoYo Před 3 měsíci +149

    I was kinda surprise when I found your channel. You’re underrated for the type of content you’re making

    • @Spiderfffun
      @Spiderfffun Před 3 měsíci +3

      ty you reminded me to subscribe to this amazing creator

  • @suvantmsuvantheminecraftia7407
    @suvantmsuvantheminecraftia7407 Před 3 měsíci +28

    I JUST saw your part 1 video of stealing storage from discord and your part 2 is up by the time I finished the video(uploaded an hour ago)!

  • @UtkarshKoppikar
    @UtkarshKoppikar Před 3 měsíci +318

    Can you open source this? Would like to contribute. Or you have already and I haven't reached that point in the video

    • @devdetour
      @devdetour  Před 3 měsíci +152

      Yeah! GitHub repo link is in the description. Contributions very much welcome!

    • @sketchychillandchill
      @sketchychillandchill Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@devdetourand the discord fs?

    • @-john-9438
      @-john-9438 Před 3 měsíci +9

      Me not knowing how Github works (Im not a programmer)

    • @guinea_horn
      @guinea_horn Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@-john-9438then why comment

    • @xynocode
      @xynocode Před 3 měsíci +5

      this project may help me archiving my interpolated video project when I don't have any available HDD storage. thanks

  • @prawnproductions234
    @prawnproductions234 Před 3 měsíci +32

    The algorithm has brought me back. Thank you.

  • @excessiveanalysis2982
    @excessiveanalysis2982 Před 2 měsíci +3

    One thing I noticed in your design layout was the decision to encrypt each segment of the total file separately. While this does not affect functionality, it can impact the information security of the uploaded data.
    By encrypting each chunk separately, with what I assume is the same symmetric key, you run the risk of crypto-analysis on the file chunks revealing data on the key and or plaintext. The reason for this is due to the fact, because of the segmented nature of the encryption, you are effectively re-using the same key for multiple encryptions.
    While this is not a huge deal practically, it is still a possible attack vector. A simple solution would be to simply encrypt the entire file once, and then split the encrypted data afterwards.
    Other than that (unrealistic, you used CBC mode by the looks of it, so IV helps a lot) security vulnerability in a scheme that was made for fun, amazing video! I must say, I love over-the-top systems that solve problems in a way-more-than-necessary manner simply because it can 😂

  • @kabul891234
    @kabul891234 Před 3 měsíci +4

    NIce, just installed teldrive, just make sure to use your own api id and hash

  • @jamlie977
    @jamlie977 Před 3 měsíci +17

    that's amazing lmao
    to be honest, this approach is much easier than the previous one. it took me around 8 seconds to think of a way to create this, but the only difference is that i would have to use something like a /sync to send the new pictures/videos

  • @ohmygosh6176
    @ohmygosh6176 Před 2 měsíci +5

    Anyday Google Drive, Dropbox, or other cloud storage can change their policy or go down. That is why it is always a good idea to have multiple backup plans.

  • @smith3463
    @smith3463 Před 3 měsíci +1

    You're amazing. I had always given up on my dream of becoming a programmer, but you sparked it once more.

  • @phizicks
    @phizicks Před 3 měsíci +3

    I would've written each chunk as their own file and have a metadata file (FAT) for each message id part to the file. if you overwrite, you replace the initial X block files and delete the rest if they are smaller, or create new block files if they are bigger.

  • @JamesSmith-ix5jd
    @JamesSmith-ix5jd Před 3 měsíci +37

    Telegram is slow for non premium especially in the evening (in Europe), sometimes downloading a simple 20MB video takes forever.

  • @supernenechi
    @supernenechi Před 3 měsíci +3

    Yay, got into the video! Great video dude!

  • @killervacuum
    @killervacuum Před 3 měsíci +2

    i use telegram as a backup mainly for the photos from my phone but also other important files. the main drawback is that the download and upload speeds can be quite slow sometimes.

  • @TunisiaSparx
    @TunisiaSparx Před 2 měsíci

    awsome i always wanted to do omething like that ! uploading photos to some place and showing them dynamically from my deployed web app

  • @Kalphalus
    @Kalphalus Před 3 měsíci +6

    On discord, why dont use another channel to save the name and the file ids? Or at least make a backup of the id list every once in a while on Google Drive, Dropbox, (Telegram, Discord,) etc.

  • @realcheez795
    @realcheez795 Před 3 měsíci +2

    this is amazing

  • @GreatTS
    @GreatTS Před 2 měsíci

    Same here. First I watched your video related to Discord unlimited storage and then realised why didn't i used telegram and then i upgraded my code for telegram.

  • @kleins0
    @kleins0 Před 3 měsíci

    Very interesting video again!

  • @DanDrakeV
    @DanDrakeV Před 3 měsíci

    This is so good!

  • @Girgoo
    @Girgoo Před 3 měsíci +9

    I would love to see a fuse system that cache usb-drive metadata only. Meaning I dont have to connect the usb-drive to my computer to check what files I had on it last time it was connected.

    • @thewhitefalcon8539
      @thewhitefalcon8539 Před 3 měsíci +3

      I think Windows has that and calls it hierarchical storage management

    • @Slada1
      @Slada1 Před 3 měsíci

      Everything from voidtools can do that too

  • @JyothisJayanth
    @JyothisJayanth Před 3 měsíci +13

    btw the teldrive owner got his own rclone fork that supports teldrive. I was using rclone mount and it was working perfectly fine :)

  • @edicarlosmartins1562
    @edicarlosmartins1562 Před 3 měsíci

    Hey man! Could you mentioned in the description that people also can TELEGRAM-UPLOAD from Pypi?

  • @kairu_b
    @kairu_b Před 3 měsíci

    Another great video!

  • @CodeF53
    @CodeF53 Před 2 měsíci +2

    7z supports encrypting, splitting, and compressing files into chunks and has better compression ratios than rar.
    I would also use the brotli fork, as it has an even better compression algorithm.

  • @ErikUden
    @ErikUden Před 2 měsíci

    Sure, these are “bad” download and upload speeds if compared to transferring files to a local drive, but what about enabling it to sync just like Nextcloud or OneDrive does? Wouldn't it be awesome to use this in order to have locally stored files backed up to the cloud. I could assume the Nextcloud client would be a huge help to implement something like this here!
    What do you think?

  • @ayte1549
    @ayte1549 Před 3 měsíci +1

    It'd be fun to have a whole OS stored in telegram, and have your bootloader fetch if form there every time you boot up the PC.

  • @Twisted_Code
    @Twisted_Code Před 2 měsíci

    FUSE sounds like it might be relevant to a problem I've had on my to do list to solve. Is this the same term used by the Windows ecosystem for the concept?

  • @skygnd
    @skygnd Před 3 měsíci +1

    I’m from the future, you’ll have at least 500k subs by the end of this year man

  • @oussama7132
    @oussama7132 Před 3 měsíci +20

    can you reduce the background music volume next time?

    • @devdetour
      @devdetour  Před 3 měsíci +5

      Thanks for the feedback, I'll keep this in mind. Still trying to figure out the right audio levels :)

    • @toggenburger
      @toggenburger Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@devdetour please dont go way lower. often videos have comedically quiet background music. Guess its a matter of preference

  • @wrathofainz
    @wrathofainz Před 2 měsíci

    There are no good fuse tutorials in yt search, you should add fuselib or something to the tags or title of the video.
    I intend to use this for a personal server of mine if i can figure out how to get it working on my linux machine.
    Theres already some fusefs stuff going on under the hood so it can't be too bad... right?
    Edit: i downloaded the example script amd your telegram fusefs script as examples so hopefully I can make sense of it with those.

  • @ManIkWeet
    @ManIkWeet Před 3 měsíci

    A lot of specialized file download software can download a file using multiple connections simultaneously, maybe you can use that to improve speeds more?

  • @lancemarchetti8673
    @lancemarchetti8673 Před 2 měsíci

    Great video!

  • @weak
    @weak Před 3 měsíci +1

    i never thought of telegram for storage

  • @Sircliffe
    @Sircliffe Před 3 měsíci +2

    Store files on CZcams with digital data modes like OFDM-3500.

  • @KaptanUfuk
    @KaptanUfuk Před 2 měsíci

    yes. i found this method about 2,5 years ago but i never automated it, i couldnt do it. i was waiting for someone to do this application. thanks

  • @MightyElemental
    @MightyElemental Před 3 měsíci

    sounds great for a backup system that has no guarantee the data will remain there 😅
    Those file upload speeds don't seem right though... Would adding more upload/download workers improve the performance? The data may need to be split into chunks for each worker, but it may be faster overall?

    • @AtaGunZ
      @AtaGunZ Před 2 měsíci

      I'm pretty sure it is rate limited per account or even per IP

  • @maciej.opalinski
    @maciej.opalinski Před 2 měsíci

    The caching scheme you implemented does not let you read files if they don't fit in RAM. Fuse manages data in chunks to allow working on files larger than free memory.

  • @nameq
    @nameq Před 2 měsíci

    On a TDLib level for telegram you can request parts of the file instead of the whole file from the storage

  • @sassas4557
    @sassas4557 Před 2 měsíci

    TIP: Try to send all the zipped files togheter and to download all of them togheter and then allow the user to modify, etc., so the flow should look like "read:download all (storing in temp)->check if they are all (by seeing witch are the missing ones checking their names from the DB file)->once they're all merge the file->show the file", " write: if the new file was used less then x time ago (ex. 2 hours ago), wait; else, move the file to temp->split in chunks->check and write to db->upload->check with db". Like 3 months ago, I tried to do the same thing by hand, separating the files with Winrar and uploading them slowly, and it worked, but if I have to upload a lot of things, it could get messy. PS: We also have to think about resuming upload after power-up and checking partially uploaded files during shoutdown, but it can be resolved by leaving the files in temp until they're fully uploaded with the checks mentioned before and other checks when booting and shutting down the PC (we write the queue of files to upload and download somewhere in the database to know what we were doing before the shoutdown). Nice video, keep on going man, I love these kind of things. Sorry for my bad english btw.

  • @Bromon655
    @Bromon655 Před 3 měsíci +12

    People who experiment with these free storage tactics are a large part of the reason why tech companies have started putting up paywalls for their services. Server space doesn’t grow on trees.

    • @Kipruto254
      @Kipruto254 Před 3 měsíci +6

      This is why we can't have good things. Telegram will likely impose a restrictions after this.

    • @Spiderfffun
      @Spiderfffun Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@Kipruto254 didn't this guy mention something like this existing already?

    • @kaidenrogers
      @kaidenrogers Před 2 měsíci

      @@Kipruto254 Telegram just deletes old files when they start running out of space. Your uploaded files aren't guaranteed to live there forever. The faster people use it up like this, the faster they delete. So it's really no sweat off their back. Other than increased bandwidth usage, but we saw Telegram's mitigation for that, they throttle it, hoping you'll upgrade to premium.

    • @R_Samnan
      @R_Samnan Před 9 dny

      exactly dude, free storage doesnt mean it auto generates itself with no costs infinitely

    • @kaidenrogers
      @kaidenrogers Před 9 dny

      @@R_Samnan It's a loss leader. And it's not like it's guaranteed storage. If they need more space, they just delete your old files. The storage may not auto generate, but it does regenerate.

  • @Girgoo
    @Girgoo Před 3 měsíci +7

    Maybe it is better if you just sync the file in the background, possible make small chunks to have multiple upload run simultaneously?
    Now with 2 different providers(telegram + discord) you can actually have raid 1?

  • @rovicrosales5547
    @rovicrosales5547 Před 2 měsíci +1

    I have a question??
    Does the files last as long as the telegram exists?

  • @davia.sampaio8633
    @davia.sampaio8633 Před 3 měsíci

    This is actually good if you dont want certain files on four system. This way you can just drop them on a "cloud" that has no connection to you

  • @zine_eddinex24
    @zine_eddinex24 Před 3 měsíci

    Cool keep up 🆙 👍 😅

  • @DealazonDaily
    @DealazonDaily Před 2 měsíci

    I have an idea can you create an GUI for telegram only for uploading the files like if the members is free the file limit will be 2GB I'd the premium users is 4GB limit so if this idea create an GUI project is bit more powerful to use ??❤

  • @Chicken_Soy
    @Chicken_Soy Před 3 měsíci

    thank you

  • @ErikUden
    @ErikUden Před 2 měsíci +1

    Imagine you could sync with this like with Nextcloud ^ ^

  • @nourmagdi6031
    @nourmagdi6031 Před 3 měsíci

    i loved the Rick and Morty reference

  • @notchieuwu
    @notchieuwu Před 3 měsíci

    i LOVE fuse stuff, i've tried to do a similar thing in windows with terabox because the client sucks, but it didn't work out

  • @juuujuuu1564
    @juuujuuu1564 Před 3 měsíci +5

    What about pings? You can give them data and they'll send it back. Just do that a lot of times a second sending data to different IPs and you're storing data.. over internet wires!

    • @Spiderfffun
      @Spiderfffun Před 3 měsíci +1

      I swear I saw a video like that already.

    • @juuujuuu1564
      @juuujuuu1564 Před 3 měsíci

      @@Spiderfffun Please link it if you can find it! Would be interesting.

    • @Jsephos
      @Jsephos Před 3 měsíci

      @@juuujuuu1564 czcams.com/video/JcJSW7Rprio/video.html

    • @realminecraaftt
      @realminecraaftt Před 3 měsíci

      @@juuujuuu1564 czcams.com/video/JcJSW7Rprio/video.html

    • @devdetour
      @devdetour  Před 3 měsíci

      Yes, someone has done this! czcams.com/video/JcJSW7Rprio/video.html. It's really really interesting!

  • @myfather7893
    @myfather7893 Před 2 měsíci

    wasn't there Unlim Cloud app which used telegram for storgae. Or did it stopped working?

  • @mehregankbi
    @mehregankbi Před 2 měsíci +1

    did you also purchase premium? it's cheap iirc and it says speed does increase for premium users.

  • @D0Samp
    @D0Samp Před 3 měsíci

    I see we have advanced pretty far from the time I used a free ad-supported web hoster with filesize limits and a PHP script to concatenate split files.

  • @SMASHTheGamingCanuck
    @SMASHTheGamingCanuck Před 2 měsíci

    Wonder if Guilded would be faster then discord as it offers 500mb file upload limit

  • @MrPeepa
    @MrPeepa Před 3 měsíci

    Why not use read write streams for uploading and downloading. And then in the pipeline add a counter for the amount of chunks that got written or read.

  • @erikehlers7006
    @erikehlers7006 Před 3 měsíci

    I have noticed, that the download speed is kinda slow even when you download files normaly. So I think it actually has to do something with their servers

  • @MccTube
    @MccTube Před 3 měsíci

    I love it when you do this lol

  • @MrImodre
    @MrImodre Před 3 měsíci +2

    fsync/fflush: exists
    devdetour: reinvented cache goes brrrrr

    • @devdetour
      @devdetour  Před 3 měsíci +4

      I did actually look at pyfuse3's fsync(), but I don't think it behaves like a cache. As far as I can tell from the pyfuse3 docs (www.rath.org/pyfuse3-docs/operations.html#pyfuse3.Operations.fsync), it just passes the fh, not actually the data, so a separate cache is still needed - and I couldn't actually get pyfuse3 to call into fsync() in testing, so I kept it in release(). Maybe not optimal, but it works!

  • @gabrielebenedetti559
    @gabrielebenedetti559 Před 3 měsíci

    figo, iscritta

  • @brennanlaurent4748
    @brennanlaurent4748 Před 3 měsíci

    What about steam could you store files on steam using there cloud save feature

  • @kabuuu_voky
    @kabuuu_voky Před 3 měsíci

    Very nice

  • @hoangduong5954
    @hoangduong5954 Před 2 měsíci

    What about creating a bunch of google/microsoft account and store files in there?

  • @abasgames
    @abasgames Před 2 měsíci

    you can store your data on CZcams by uploading videos and use them as filesystem

  • @LovelyNucleus
    @LovelyNucleus Před 3 měsíci

    2:50 Literally me with all of my projects 😭

  • @heated1333
    @heated1333 Před 2 měsíci

    How is this not a negative for telegram?
    I love telegram as a service, I don't think I'm a fan of potentially them bearing more load then they need to when the provide such an amazing service so cleanly.
    Is it reasonable to ask to rethink this? Maybe do it to someone like Apple?

  • @this-one
    @this-one Před 3 měsíci

    No need for Samba on your Linux host, if you want to run it on windows there is WinFsp, which is basically FUSE for Windows.

  • @undead2146
    @undead2146 Před 3 měsíci +2

    tbh when you live in a country where an SSD costs an entire months paycheck, a free but shitty cloud service doesn't seem that bad.

  • @Zeazy
    @Zeazy Před 3 měsíci

    genius

  • @czypherth
    @czypherth Před 3 měsíci

    what if you emulate how ssd works

  • @SysReset
    @SysReset Před 3 měsíci

    DAMNN

  • @hwtw
    @hwtw Před 2 měsíci

    How about make telegram and discord on a raid like thing?

  • @tutacat
    @tutacat Před 2 měsíci

    Actually, HTTP supports something called download range, which only downloads the requested range from a file.

  • @_Karlsson
    @_Karlsson Před 2 měsíci

    Telegram download is slower than upload on purpose to decrease people misusing the service as much. But it's still really useful in a pinch.

  • @talhahussains1b47
    @talhahussains1b47 Před 2 měsíci

    start teaching coding ngl your really fun to watch❤❤

  • @om1431
    @om1431 Před 3 měsíci

    Brother do you know how to link yt dlp on telegram

  • @Viralvlogvideos
    @Viralvlogvideos Před 2 měsíci

    how to make a video player that is hosted online but it uses telegram data

  • @algj
    @algj Před 3 měsíci +1

    You used FUSE and still - no random reads/writes, missed a huge opportunity to allow streaming media with low latency, torrent seeding and many other things.

  • @turikhay
    @turikhay Před 3 měsíci +1

    Telegram is pretty aggressive when it comes to bandwidth or API usage.

    • @kaidenrogers
      @kaidenrogers Před 2 měsíci

      Bandwidth, sure. But API usage? I don't think they're any worse than most other platforms out there.

  • @rame.
    @rame. Před 3 měsíci

    yay

  • @CrazzyEvangelical
    @CrazzyEvangelical Před 2 měsíci

    crazy

  • @hanspeter9636
    @hanspeter9636 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Can it run DOOM?

  • @shubhsharma19
    @shubhsharma19 Před 2 měsíci

    Can we do same thing with Javascript? if someone can update me on this coz i have no idea about python but i want to try this in JavaScript

  • @tomerbs440
    @tomerbs440 Před 2 měsíci

    any windows alternative to FUSE?

  • @ohhim.
    @ohhim. Před 2 měsíci

    Oh man do we need a windows version of this

  • @esecallum
    @esecallum Před 2 měsíci

    MEGA does 50 gb ?

  • @ALoonwolf
    @ALoonwolf Před 3 měsíci +1

    I didn't have enough storage space so I used CZcams to store all my videos, including my own film which took months of tedious work to make. Then CZcams deleted my channel, destroying everything. Don't trust online storage!

  • @mizukun9037
    @mizukun9037 Před 2 měsíci

    i wanna learn computer science like coding stuff how to start

  • @Hoopaugi
    @Hoopaugi Před 3 měsíci

    I completely forgot rar files were a thing. Don't really run into them outside of torrenting games.

  • @AnoshterHaar
    @AnoshterHaar Před 2 měsíci

    Does this provide any form of redundancy? Cause why would you otherwise even bother the slightest... There are zip programs out there making raid like redundancy possible for zip files. Multipar for example.

  • @4ohm531
    @4ohm531 Před 3 měsíci

    that's crazy

  • @InfinitycgIN
    @InfinitycgIN Před 3 měsíci

    yeah, tried it some time ago, teledrive has very bad speed in general, got myself a 4tb drive instead

  • @_varianta007
    @_varianta007 Před 2 měsíci

    I do the same thing for years with files, links, music etc

  • @bananprzydawka7129
    @bananprzydawka7129 Před 3 měsíci +15

    so like, when is someone gonna install arch linux on it?

    • @Spiderfffun
      @Spiderfffun Před 3 měsíci

      that would be hilarious, and im not sure if it's possible.
      Even if it was, there's probably hundreds or thousands of files your system accesses on boot, meaning the process might take very, very long. Not to mention the instability and general slowness of the system. A virtual machine tho.. I could give that a shot 🤔

    • @Grogueman
      @Grogueman Před 3 měsíci

      @@Spiderfffun Btw, do you use Arch LInux?

  • @simon_roy
    @simon_roy Před 2 měsíci +1

    Can you get ban from telegram for doing this ?

  • @matheuswmac
    @matheuswmac Před 3 měsíci +1

    bro, the worst day was when I lost my group with my files and there was no backup, (I was banned from my group somehow) so I don't trust Telegram much for backups

    • @kaidenrogers
      @kaidenrogers Před 2 měsíci

      Yeah, Telegram doesn't guarantee they'll keep your messages. That's how they can offer storage for "unlimited" files. If they start running out of space, they start deleting old files.

  • @reilshat
    @reilshat Před 2 měsíci

    The download speed in telegram is limited just so that you don't use it as a file storage

  • @soymadip
    @soymadip Před 3 měsíci

    Use program?