Ender 3 conversion to 400x400 with the Ender Extender kit
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- Is your Ender 3 now too small? Perhaps you've invested time and money getting it how you like it and don't want to lose your tuned machine. Ender Extender kits retain much of the standard parts, but replace pieces of the frame to make the build volume much larger.
This was a pretty smooth install, some more pictures in the manual would be welcome but even in its current state this is very doable. The performance of the printer seems to be maintained but with a much larger build volume. Overall I am a fan of this mod because it represents great value for money over an off the shelf large format printer, with the bonus of being compatible with Ender 3 upgrades.
This kit was supplied free of charge by Ender Extender for the purposes of making this guide. All opinions expressed are my own.
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This is where the advantages of extruded aluminum and standardized design are going to start to shine.
Agree, I'm sure we will see more concepts like this.
svnbit a cr10 series would be a better start if you’re asking these questions. One thing to consider is that print times do not scale linearly but rather cubically (print VOLUME). As a result, print times are extraordinarily long unless you’re running a volcano and a larger nozzle. For prints that long, you want to be completely sure that your settings are nailed down, and its much easier to do that with a prebuilt.
The sidewinder x1 has always been a great starting point for larger prints due to the titan and volcano that it comes with, as well as the ac heated bed. Its also priced slightly cheaper than the cr10 which is a nice bonus.
@@reidn5185 thanks. Accidentally deleted my post. What are your thoughts on the ender 3 vs ender 3 pro? I'm looking at an ender 3 that's in stock in the u.s to get it fast. Are the upgrades that make the pro easily done within the price difference now that they are closer in price? 50usd to be exact. Thanks just wondering if the regular ender 3 pro is better starting place at that price, since I plan on upgrading things anyways. (Forget this extender kit for now, I may just buy another product later on to get faster prints as you suggested) thanks for reply
@@svnbit8408 I've always chosen to pick up ender 3 pro for the increased rigidity of the chassis and the meanwell power supply. I don't skimp when it comes to PSU reliability, and the more rigid chassis is an added bonus. It's well worth it in my opinion, but I'm sure others have had good experiences with the stock ender 3.
You can always save that 50 dollars and get the stock ender 3, and use that money to throw upgrades at it. It's just a matter of where your priorities are at. If you're learning on a new machine, it wouldn't hurt to get the stock ender 3. When it comes to print quality, the pro isn't going to automatically give you better prints. That 50 dollars can go to things like the creality silent board, or a skr 1.3, which offer huge quality of life improvements (nearly silent printer). It is intimidating at first, but teaching tech is a great resource for getting started.
You can start with either one and be fine. The ender 3 really is great in that you can keep building off from it. Maybe pick one up and keep looking around youtube to see what others are doing.
In the world of CNCs there are already a few parametric designs for machines you can extend at will (since those use a low Z height, compared to 3D printers, you have less stability issues with bigger machines).
This is exactly what "open source" hardware was meant for. Very nice video.
Should be called a Ext-Ender kit =)
OR MAYBE EVEN THE ENDER EXTENDER how cool wouldnt THAT name be?
Boom Tish. 😁
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Thanks for that one Dad
Oh wow dude... missed opportunity for sure...
It is awesome that he reviews the kit and comes up with some improvements that the supplier quickly implements. Shows the respect this reviewer is afforded! Well done!
Absolutely great video, Mike. I assembled my Ender 3 Pro last week and I learned a lot in the process. I didn't experience any issues of note. I really like that an upgrade kit for increasing the build volume is available for this product. As you said near the end of the video, this is a great value for the money compared to larger "base" printers above the Ender 3/Pro that cost noticeably more. I will be ordering this upgrade for my printer. Your video hit all the right emphasis on assembly for the new unit. I'll have to ensure I print the new parts for the Y-axis motor and belt-tension. Please continue creating this content for 3D printer enthusiasts like myself.
It's brilliant that you do reviews like this and your feedback goes back to the manufacturer for fine tuning.
One year later, They have changed a lot in the kit.
So happy you reviewed this... Mark makes the most awesome kits...I love mine!
Man I love that you’re the first channel that comes up when I search anything 3D printing related. Originally stumbled on you from your S13 airbox video when I was looking at options for my STI
You are the best. I bought the extender kit but followed your instructions exclusively rather than theirs. You just make it simple and quite frankly, fun. Now, I'm going to offer you some advice on cutting glass. Its the exact opposite of what you'd expect...stop being so gentle. With glass, you need to just get at it and don't be afraid of it. Make "ONE" firm score with your glass cutter.....not 2, not 3, JUST ONE! , slide the glass to an edge and snap it. That's it. As long as you can see your score mark you are good to go.
I think this was a great idea! An awesome video too, I've watched all of your videos dealing with the Ender 3 pro. I'm very happy with mine and will most likely get the extender kit soon.
This video is very timely! I've been considering getting another machine with a larger build volume, but this appears to be the best bang for the buck. Another benefit is, it involves more tinkering! Thanks for the video, Michael!
As always great video! This is exactly the type of modification I was looking for without having to buy a new printer.
I completed this build after watching this. It do like the kit. Now the extender is one of my most used machines. Along with the larger build volume, I also added other mods to better print PETG, other abrasives and flex. Nice! Thanks for this.
Great Video Michael. I have the 300x300x400 kit and love it.
I chose to go this route instead of just getting a bigger printer because I had already invested in a Direct Drive, Micro Swiss Hotend and SKR e3 mini. I'm super happy with it. Thanks Mark!
I am late but after 3 years how is it worki
That ender 3 upgrade look beautiful. Great video!
This is the kit I have been waiting for. I don't need the extra height but the width and depth are a huge improvement.
I bought this based on your review. I installed it about 8 months ago. Works 👍 great on upgrading the ender pro. I added microswiss DD all metal hotend combo, BL touch and recently whambam PEX ...and use it mainly for PETG and flex 💪 Thx! with the larger nozzles it makes some nice large usable parts.
thank you for detailed explanation ! I was looking for it this week. Good job keep going.
Awesome! I just snagged an Ender 3 Pro on sale for $183 USD shipped to replace my well used Tevo and have been looking at these kits. Great concise video.
Fantastic videos you have truly helped me so much going from my first design to a wonderful print
I was so very tempted to get this! Thank you for te review.
Had this idea when I got my Ender 3. Glad someone went and sourced the parts for me.
Great video! Very helpful! Just got the 400xl for my Ender3 pro. Looking forward to getting it swapped over in the next couple of weeks. 400x400x500 is going to be quite a dramatic difference from the stock setup! Can’t wait!
I've been looking at these kits, might get one now. Love ur vids
The Kay3D CoreXY printer conversion kit is a great product! Looking forward to the review.
I have a Bob’s E3 CNC machine that allows for a similar type of upgrade path to their larger E4 model. It is simply brilliant and creates a desirable upgrade path should the need arise. I like that Creality has done the same thing here, so that you don’t have to learn a whole new ecosystem. Great instructional!
OUTSTANDING Great Kit and great demo. I really like the idea and think this is great to help the used Ender market too. Thank You, need a kit for my CR 10s Pro to MAX!
Thanks a ton for this, was going to pull the plug but think I will wait and see what the KAY3D offers before I decide...;)
Stay safe my friend!
What an exciting upgrade option! I should receive my Ender 3-P in about two weeks. I'm excited to get started, but was bummed that the print area seemed DOOMED to be just a bit small for my liking. Now I have new hope!
Ordered this kit I'm excited to receive it and start putting it together.
Loved the video, you can easily see that you are a teacher, from another teacher
Love the video now I am thinking about getting one of these kits.
@Teaching Tech Awesome Job as usual Michael!
Fantastic! Now I have to buy it and make a video for my channel, absolutly!Thanks for this video!
I don't even own an Ender 3 and I still watched the whole video
Months ago I was in your position of speech. Maybe it's time for you to get a standard Ender 3. Totally worth it for me.
That's because he explains so well it's easy to watch!! Because of watching his videos my Ender3 prints like a dream!!!
Thank you. Already hit the print limit of the printer and need to go bigger but did not want to have multiple printers.
Omg this is what I been waiting for. I was in the market for a new 3d printer
Very nice upgrade! Thanks for detailing all the steps. Too bad the original heatbed won’t heat up the entire plate properly. Looking forward to your CoreXY upgrade vid!
Your videos are awesome. Just finished doing a bunch of upgrades to my Ender 3 and was wondering if anything else could be done. Now I have a new vision....bigger 400 x 400 x 400. Thanks for the excellent detail, really helps to understand what to expect.
Wow, great extension
Thanks for sharing this interesting project :-)
will have to do this one for sure!!! 1000 thumbs up
And here I thought I had finally finished upgrading my Ender 3 Pro.... Damnit! LOL
hell i just started and now this thing pops up lol
Great stuff Michael. I have an original Ender 3 in a box ready for installation, this give me ideas. Cheers, JAYTEE
i like this, i'm actually wishing to see more corexy kits and or builds.
Excelent kit! Great video! 👏
I'm sure someone else has also commented it but you have to use specific wires for the thermistor. Every time there's a change in the metal, it creates a voltage (think very basic, weak battery) that affects your readings. It might be possible to tune for that change but it does make a difference
Standard mirrors are second surface devices meaning the flat surface is actually the back of the mirror as that the is the surface that is in contact with the molten salt... Great video as usual... Keep them coming...
Since I got 2 mk3's my ender 3 is just catching dust for the last couple of months.
This is a great solution to make my ender 3 useful again!
Great idea, thanks for the info and great overview
awesome video.. Mark should add this to his page
looking forward to this being back in stock
Looking forward to trying it....
this is actually quite a cool upgrade for the ender 3 and would probably pick up myself if i had a need for it. for now, my ender does ok for what i need it to do which is mostly just smaller projects. i'll keep this in mind if ever feel like i need to upgrade.
So I have the 400XL version and as a printer newbie as far as the modding and tech side, I had very few issues...and basically all were my fault. I have been printing with this for a couple of months and the only thing I will say of note is I have fried two SKR miniE3. I theorize it's because it's moving the large bed and mirror and is over heating. So I have changed the cooling and on next print I will change the bed speed to 300 like you said.
Otherwise, this mod is awesome. Mark and the fellow Facebook group members are extremely helpfu and nice. I only wish there was a 500x500x500 option!
I wish I had known about this last month when I put linear rails on mine, I got the 400mm rails so I can upgrade as needed, I also put a dual Y rail for support.
Been saying this a long time convert your existing printers make them bigger for a few bucks more, Great video !
Nice video. Nice kit.
Well, I guess I don't need to go buy that CR-10 anymore! Thanks for showing us this kit.
Love the way it looks and been wanting a bigger printer and the cost is cheaper than the bigger CR-10's.
instead of deep sockets you can use a 'go through' socket set. Incredibly useful for long bolts or threaded rod.
That was awesome; vary good review. I'm already looking to get an Ender 3, and now this review seals the deal. "Thanks dud" or what ever your name is?
Great video!
This is a upgrade I'll be be doin for sure with the upgraded motherboard
When cutting glass, wet the cutter with a light oil like paraffin, white spirit, or WD40 (so it wets the glass). For some reason it makes a big difference to your success rate.
Vaz mode. LOL love the language. Keek up the good work. Love the videos.
Great video well explained
wicked, really glad you did this video :)
you can easily take down those jagged edges with some 120 grit sand paper and a mechanical sander. I'm the same way then working with glass, If you do this do be sure to wear breathing protection as the glass dust can be harmful.
converting to core xy is much more interesting for me. waiting it thanx.
Looking forward to the corexy conversion
The trick to flawlessly cut glass is to score and then break from one end of the score. Intuitively, most people try to break make the break by applying even pressure along the score line using a fulcrum or hanging it off a tables edge. This seldom works. You can still hang one edge off a table but make sure the break starts from one end of the score. A glass snapper, the notched part of the cutter, or padded pliers set to one side of the score line and a deliberate snap is all it takes.
If your glass cutter has a ball on the end use it to tap the edge like you say.
And just when I thought I had finally finished upgrading!
I like the idea of "Upgrade KIts" to bring new features/functionality to older printers.
I've got one on the way that will be here tomorrow!
Enjoy your build :)
Am in Australia; bought directly from their website during Cyber Monday sale (40% off and free international shipping) and it was shipped free of charge by DHL (took 3 days from USA to Oz, typical of DHL). Super easy, excellent value (couldn't have DIY'd this for much less, excluding the time sink it would have been). Nice.
Great idea and if your only 179 into your ender 3 like me... $318 total investment is going to get you that give you a sizable build volume and the luxury of not having to leave the ENDER community for support!
Realistically, ender community support is useless if you're at this point in 3D printing. You'd be better off looking in a custom builds community since majority of the ender community are a bunch of noobs. Speaking as someone who came from the anet groups the level of knowledge and technical knowledge was much greater than in ender groups.
@@strykervalkyrion That is who this stuff is aimed at. You could realistically do it for cheaper if you source the raw material yourself. My problem with machines like this is that they will never be reliable enough for production. It will always have to be tinkered with and adjusted every few months.
@@macgyver9134 I've been looking at doing this myself, as for the reliability, the Ender 3 makes a good base, you can start with this and build out easily if your clever enough and it works out cheaper than buy a bigger printer
Right now the ender 3 is 189 and the ender 5 is 349, if I wanted to get a bigger printer I think I'd just get the bigger printer from the start.
Thanks for video, waiting fore CoreXY ender3)
I am so getting this kit.
I was wondering when someone was going to do this. Aluminum extrusion design lends itself to easier frame expansion.
Now, we can all print our InMoov robot parts faster overall with multiple part arrangement... ;-)
You could also plan ahead, buy the original Ender-3 DIY kit, and the Extender kit, and put it all together at assembly (minimal disassembly/re-assembly).
i was considering doing this..or just pick up either a cr10 or chiron for 100 more lol
Thanks for the guide! I ordered mine before the video and just got it yesterday, so this will be a big help! On an unrelated topic, have you heard of Cheetah 5.0 yet? It's vanilla marlin someone dumbed down especially for creality printers and it's a lot easier to configure, you should check it out!
Im seriously concidering this.
16:34. Never thought of hairspray thx 🙏
Thank you I'm glad I found you
Great piece!
Got my CR-10 mini for $1performance
Can’t wait to se the core xy one
I would have brought this over the copymaster 400 that I am having to replace the mainboard on because it lacks separate filament cooling. This makes a lot more sense.
My kit came in yesterday. That is today’s project. Thanks for the build guide. I am using your rear load electronics box. Are you going to do a remix for the extended version?
Great Video. Good kit if you have an Ender 3 gathering dust or picked one up for a bargain and use this kit to stretch it - it will still need additional parts as outlined by others below. I Would not recommend it as a way to build a 400 x 400 printer - you'd be better off buying a new or used 400 x 400 to start considering the added costs to equal one (larger bed heater, dual axis, glass bed, etc). You'll also have to print slower with a glass bed and larger bed heater if you add it - that is a lot of mass to move back and forth.
This is so frigging awesome
Hi, to be able to cut grass perfectly, you need to do exactly two things: 1. Make a SINGLE cut with the cutting tool; 2. While holding the smaller part with our hand on the opposite edge from the cut made and without the rest of support, type with the small hammer from the bottom of the cut in several different places.
I would never use a printer without the upgraded screw belt tensioner. I stock tensioner just does not allow me to tighten the belt enough and I keep getting layer shifts. I have found that most layer shifts is do to the belt either x or y being slightly to loose. I being able to dial in the belt tension is a MUST. This is a MUST have upgrade to any printer.
I would love to see a video of "required" ender 3 upgrades in your opinion.
great video,, thank you
Thank you Michael for very informative video. For you DIYers. Kit worth it if you include cost of labor for cutting, drilling, tapping, the extras and other finish work. Kit: $149 - $159. However expect delays in order. I am doing my Geeetech A10M which has a very similar chassis, but different enough that if I did order this kit it would have to be modified anyway. Maybe do my Ender 3 Pro if I need 2 large printers?
I Also have chop saw and drill press, however could be done with hand tools as length of extrusions not critical as long as you make sure assembly of frame is square. The 400 x 400 bed fits close to the vertical rails, but it works.
Cost for raw materials $116 rounded up. US Dollars for all, as I am in USA.
From AliExpress: Add $34.50 For 400 x 400mm A/C mains silicon heat pad and
From Amazon: $11 for SSR relay. Details for using these on the small Y axis carriage yet to be worked out.
For Chassis.
From Amazon:
$7 for wiring extensions.
$27 2040 V rail extrusions 600mm, had to buy 2 so have 1 extra. Will need to be shortened after I figure Y axis travel.
$30 2020 V rail extrusions 500mm, package of 4, cut off 15mm from 3 of them.
$8 6mm Timing belt 10meters long.
From: www.xometry.com/supplies/materials
$22.66 400 x 400mm aluminum sheet for build plate. Add an additional
$11.19 shipping to my USA address. May be more for other addresses.
$10 400 x 400mm double strength window glass $15 if I wanted mirror. Local glass shop.
3D printed new case for control board.
I may try skipping the 400 x 400mm Aluminum Build Plate and attach the Glass with heat pad directly to the smaller original plate with high temp silicon.
Have fun, its what its all about. Don't complain about the work, if you think it's too much buy the kit.
Nice video
Another great Video! With the available printable parts, does a kit even need to be purchased? As long as you willing to do the hard work (buy longer rails, cut to size, drill required holes, etc) it should be doable. Definitely looking forward to the next upgrade video.
I guess you could do it yourself, but personally I would prefer to buy a kit wit the fiddly bits done. Each to their own.
Really cool but to be fair I have the Ender 3 Max and having only one Z axis rod across such a wide machine causes the X gantry to sag. This requires precise Z axis roller adjustment but it also tend to get them "stuck" at certain heights causing bulging layer lines(similar to elephants feet) where the gantry had trouble rolling up smoothly. Getting a dual Z motor setup is definitely worth it in my eyes.
Aw come on, I just finished an Ikea Lack enclosure for my normal Ender 3...but now I want the thicc Ender 3.
This was pretty neet... Thanks.
Would be cool to design a bracket do you can use the discarded rails for support braces on the machine.
I was sad to see this since I just sorta did this myself to build a second printer from all my spare ender parts. this kit seemed like a great deal until I saw it just reused the heated bed and carriage. thats bad because the rest of that kit besides the alum plate you can do yourself for less than half that price.
The bed and carriage plate are the expensive parts(about 60usd) of building a cr10. I got all the pre cut extrusions for a CR10 clone for 30 dollars, 5m GT2 belts for 9, the 4 metal X gantry plates for 17 dollars (banggood) that support dual Z motors, and if you are just upgrading a ender you have those gantry plates already. seems like only a deal if you dont have amazon prime and have to do a bunch of orders for all those parts. hell I bought two 1 meter lengths of 2040 extrusion for 12.50usd so that I could expand it further or build a 3rd machine.. this kit is for the lazy or countries without access to amazon.