Burnout is a real thing | Podcast E12
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- We Were Told We Should Do A Podcast - Episode 12
Have you ever experienced burnout? It can happen to anyone. Last year, we may have overcommitted ourselves by adding a studio-build onto our already hectic schedule - and you guessed it, we're experiencing burnout as a result.
According to Web MD, Burnout is a form of exhaustion caused by constantly feeling swamped, and it's a result of excessive and prolonged emotional, physical, and mental stress.
We're lucky to have the job we do, but we're still affected by things like burnout and so we want to have a chat about how we've been affected and what we're doing to help ourselves, in case it's helpful to you.
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I'm 50 and when phones came out I, like everybody, had my phone always. Around 2015 I stopped taking it anywhere and I have to say, probably the best thing I did for my mental health
I used to go everywhere with my phone, I'd be browsing something at any time possible. It started weighing on me, it's like a constant noise in my head, always thinking about something. You always see or read something upsetting online. Plus there's the strain on your eyes. So I decided that I no longer need that, there's nothing there on that phone that I need to look at constantly.
That's gonna suck when you have an emergency.
@@thearnoldarmy1899 too bad
Well you could always have your phone with you and still not look at it constantly, self control guys
@@piyushdahiya3696 not necessary
Im recovering from a burnout. 16 months ago my brain stopped working. My cognitive function just stopped working. I couldnt remember a thing, forgot how to drive, couldnt stand lights and sounds, especially female high voices. Grocery shopping was a hell, i had panic attacks in public. Really awfull. After the smallest house choirs i needed sleep..
The thing that bothered me the most is that im not on the level i was. Its like playing a game being level 50 and being degraded to level 4 and being unable to get to level 5. Just grinding and grinding not leveling up. Felt so empty for the longest time. Like a mandatory loser potion with a debuff that gives you -150% xp and a forced sleep period after a raid or chopping wood.
I had a great life, cant wait to be back.
Great you guys are talking about this
Man you literally described what happened to me.
Im pretty sure this is not burnout, sounds more like a stroke
You sure this is burnout?
Theres also something called autistic burnout. Check that out, see if it clicks
Im diagnosed by multiple professionals. Best is to look at a scientific article about burnout. Burn out is a pretty popular concept nowadays and there is a lot of misonformation about the subject. The symptoms can differ in severity. However, its basicly youre body and mind being to tired to go on, so its shutting down. Youre body and mind will shut down, there is no more "just do one more step" or "just finish this one thing". The recoverytime is at least 6months with minor symptoms to 2+ years with more severe symptoms.
I love how different these guys are. Rowan is like me, he wants an easy life. No kids, just hanging out and having a good time.
Having a separate work phone really helps. You can leave it behind while still having your personal phone
Agreed. I work with a couple of companies that did that, but it is annoying carrying 2 phones.
Even though nowadays we can partition our phone between work and personal in one device, and you can choose to turn off notifications in one, it is still the same hardware. Psychologically it's the same thing.
@@FunkyBukkyo great insight, might try to get a separate phone
Agreed. I'm not "important" enough to have my own work cell so I refuse to install the work apps on my personal phone. I would be so much more stressed if I did check work on my phone.
Waking up on a lazy Sunday to a coffee and your podcast. Life is good today.
Burnout is bad. I've been on the edge of it, my mom actually got it, spoke to people who had it. Got a friend who might get it soon. Many people who cross the boundary and get burnt out, just wake up and are literally unable to get out of bed; being so stressed that your body shuts down physically. And the recovery takes years.
I've started deleting apps that I don't really like and just distract, or taking away notification privileges if apps don't have an option to turn off push notifications and post them too often. And I try to read more physical books rather than watch videos or play games on my phone in bed.
Yes, and first I blamed myself - like, what’s wrong with me that I can’t get out of bed anymore? Have I gotten so lazy?
Definitely took some reprogramming for me.
That's me all over .I can't sleep unless I mess with my phone in bed ..some how I trained my brain to work to thar process, it stopped being able to read physical written media ..I'm trying to slow reintroduce written books.
Some people just smack blindly at full speed into the wall. Some people _do_ notice some of its symthoms a bit earlier though, which _can_ enable them to some extent "brace for impact". But some of the latter still aren't able to do so, or don't realize the connection in time. So they still end up ramming into that wall while either looking on helplessly, unable to find the brake, or while looking out the other windows trying to find any other causes than what's right in front of them.
For the vast majority of people burnout _develops_ gradually. But _because_ it is most commonly induced by extensive, persistent, medium to long term stress revolving around something that requires tons of your constant attention - that inherent nature of the beast renders a huge blind spot towards the same. Making many oblivious to it coming for them right up until they feel the teeth of its jaws clamp around their neck.
@@pr0xZen yep that's about right 👍
@megustAslagt. Are you sure you aren’t actually burnt out and just denying that you are? I feel many people saying “I’m at the cusp of being burnt out” actually are but don’t want to admit it until they have some major psychological event.
Working at Costco during covid was beyond exhausting. Trying to juggle the immense workload along with the myriad of emotions coming at you from every direction was daunting. Along with every dictate that came down from on high.
You guys talking about having a break. Uhh yeah nope didnt happen here.
Is it just me or is it weird when Ellie speaks and we can't see her?
Yeah I thought the same thing. They should show her when she speaks
After the work topic comes up I like to ask "so what kind of things do you fill your time with/like to do outside of work" which seems to open the door to hobby/personal interest conversation
That is why a lot of people have a work phone and a personal phone, to actually stop working when they get home. Still some people are unable to stop working, but I think that could help. At some time, you just turn it off and then turn it on in the morning.
The entire podcast was amazing but Alan, around 34:00 you actively mention how your partner has the hardest job in the world being a stay-at-home mom and that literally brought tears to my eyes (I am a stay-at-home mom and a gamer which comes with unique social challenges) and it's just so lovely to hear because we're sort of bombarded with the contrary. And it truly is hard when people ask what I do, just like your partner, because yeah they just sort of close off since they can't always relate.
Anyways, thank you guys so much for your podcast, your content in general is amazing, and we just love you guys.
Also:
We pretend to be a guard when our four year old is hiding and sneaking so now when we hide he'll go
“There’s someone prowlin round here.”
Best thing ever 💚
Alan saying that is great and it shows how much he values his partner. Obviously being a stay at home parent is one of the most important jobs in the world and it is really dumb when some people are downplaying that. But I have to be also honest that it isn't the hardest job in the world, not even close. One of the most important for sure, but not hardest.
Also so cool your kid has taken those guard phrases into use 😂👍
@@KingOfBlades27yea was about to say that it is one of if not the most important jobs but nowhere near the hardest. In any level.
It is quite fortunate position to be in where you can be full time mother with your significant other bringing the money.
Covid did not stop anything for me since I was an essential worker. Instead I had to venture out and expose myself which, as an immunocompromised person, was a higher risk than the average person and that was in my mind the whole time.
I have separate work and personal phones. Work phone gets turned off when the work day ends. Most people at work also have my personal number, but they never use it unless there's an actual emergency or for things that are not work related. Personal phone has all "here's a new thing to check out" type notifications disabled. Unless it's a personal message from someone directly to me, or a smart home notification (e.g. laundry done, so I remember to get the dryer going), I don't see it until I intentionally open the relevant app to check. Well, that's probably not entirely true, but whatever apps remain unblocked so rarely pop up a notification I can't even come up with an example at the moment. When I head to bed, my phone and (smart) watch are turned off and left in the living room.
For me, this wasn't a "I need to disconnect for my mental health" type thing. I wasn't really bothered or in danger of burning out or anything. I just found the constant distractions and bleeps for attention to be annoying. It was living life as if trying to watch a movie with a commercial break every five minutes.
Ditto! Do not disturb has been a breath of fresh air. Other than my close relatives who might need something, no one else can get through to my phone. I check who called from time to time and if it's important, I'll call them back. Otherwise I'm good.
Y'all should give serious thought to an 8 day week, 4 on 4 off. Most never give a second thought to how the "week" is holding us all back.
Yeah, funny how we are conditioned to view the week (or even the working day) as some universal, unvariable truth. Their just relics from the time everyone worked on a farm or in a factory and only needed the one day off for church. A modern knowledge economy requires a different schedule.
Burnout is real. I actually was fortunate enough to switch careers with a two year break between. It literally saved me.
I dont get anything major done around the house untill a 3rd day off. That has always my most productive day. Sad it doesnt happen often enough. I agrees first day is a right off 2nd is your do nothing day. 3rd = productive because your refreshed.
How to not get burnt out: work little instances of self-care into every day, as often as possible. That can be something like doing pushups between meetings, having tea from a fancy tea set, caring for plants in your cubicle/office/desk, go outside for your lunch break (and eat lunch at your desk to maximize time outside, or sit in your car away from everyone!), etc. Also keeping up with hygiene, hydrating, and sleeping enough do SO MUCH for staving off burn out.
Find a great podcast and D&D campaigns to listen to while you work :) It's a great escape and good company without having to interact (except in the comment section!).
"Sandra, what's your worst fear? Mmm, hmm, and where do you live?" 🤣
I'm literally watching this on a Sunday while calculating and designing planetary gear stacks for a micro stepper transmission...
I'm watching it during work time, whilst also writing a report to the Navy about diesel generator systems uptakes and the conflicts in design and function, and how to mitigate against the failures.
Ive had burnout before at a previous job.
I was doing 90 odd hours a week (7days per week) for years, i reached a point of physical/mental exhaustion, this was back in 2017 and i still haven't recovered fully from it to pre burnout levels.
Its definitely a real thing and a dangerous thing....
Wouldnt wish it on anyone
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A lot of people brag how they can work 90 hours, train for a marathon and have 10 kids to take care off. They believe their stronger, discipline and all of that. After years their burned out and never return to even a normal level off to be able to function.
That's how I got through college so quick. I didn't qualify for anything but loans, so I avoided as much as I could and refunded what I didn't spend on books/course hours. Because of that and working 75 hours a week, I basically finished my 4 year in 2 years. I was going to work overnight, then classes, then work, then going home to sleep for 3 it so hours and starting again. It's not bragging, but I left with a 3,000 loan and my piece is debt paper. After that two years of suffering I got a job that paid more than $11 that I was making and haven't felt that 40 hours was long since. Heck, when I finally got a full hour for lunch I was basically lost... Or messes with your mind for sure.
@@Artimidorus for everybody its different for what they are able to maintain. Only for a short period of time when your young is less of a problem then keep doing it.
I’m burning out and I’m going to quit it’s so bad
Phubbing is the habit of snubbing a physically present person in favour of a mobile phone.
I feel like when I say these things to my wife, she looks at me like I am crazy. It is incredibly refreshing to hear that other people have the same thoughts that I do about mental health and work life balance. Rowan's comment about staying up a little bit later to just have some time to yourself resonated pretty heavily.
During pandemic, I discovered that my lifestyle was called "Lockdown" lmao. Going out only when necessary, people keeping 6 feet away, loved it.
I did too. No one on the roads, no one at the grocery store, no visitors, all day around the house to read, knit, garden, cook, watch stuff... When I went out face covered so I didn't have to smile or interact with anyone. Perfect.
Yeah, burnout is real. I am one of the examples of it myself.
I think I'm just half of what my capacity (at work) was a year ago.
as a follow up, you could do podcast on reading and books. Reading in bed instead of scrolling phones? As for phones, it helps to not have always access to data or wifi. But in general, I guess introverts have it easier, because even if we leave the phone at home, we miss on nothing. No notifications :D
Hell, even when I'm not working I'm still working. There always seems to be something that needs to be accomplished or fixed, etc. I try hard to relax, but it's super hard. Even when I try to my brain won't let me most of the time. I always feel like I have to do something!
I like to play video games, but even those feel like a chore at times. I'm the type of person that when I play one I HAVE to finish it. If I don't it will just be one of those things in the back of my head nagging me to finish it, even if I don't want to. It becomes really frustrating. I even have books I haven't read that keep staring me in the face just taunting me. It really does feel like my life never slows down, EVER.
I'm old enough I only ever had jobs before everyone had a cell phone. When I went home that was it for the day. The burnout came because then I had to do all of the cooking, cleaning, kid raising, etc. after a 10 hour day at the office. It was too much and I eventually quit to stay home full time. Best thing I ever did.
Hiya im 22 and yes i worked 4 days a week and ten hours a day with no breaks and i though i was doing great even though i was tired most days and then one day on my way to work i sat on a swing to do up my laces and ended up just lying on it for 3 hours just worn out. i think it was burnout because after my family came out because they though i went missing all i said was i cant do this anymore... now i have a different job and doing great just a fyi. but yh it definitely sucked.
One thing I will always look forward to at work is seeing new VLDL video at 5:00 am
Always a good start to the day.
You guys should have Dr. K. from HealthyGamerGG as your first podcast guest and talk about mental health
21 here. Worked for 3years now. I understand thats not a long time, but i seriously feel like burnout is something thats building up in the background. I am always tired, and just the thought of work gets me tired. I often have to stop my car drive to work, just to take quick 2-3 minutes relax.
That Podcast was Dingo!
My husband started painting during Covid and since then he’s had five shows and just yesterday hung his work in an extremely popular bistro in Providence (Rhode Idland). We paid the mortgage one month with what he made in sales.
I'm 29, with partner, no kids. Recently went through burn-out. September 2023 I called in sick and I started building up hours at work last week again. Now that I am mostly through it, I sleep well. But I sleep well because I have the energy to spend my day's well. With that I mean: I have the mental capacity to spend my time offline, to take good care of myself, hygiene, movement, etc. Since a few weeks I feel well rested and mentally quite relaxed. One tip I would like to share: get an offline hobby that requires very little brainpower, but allows you to literally create something. It gives satisfaction, gives your brain the time to start processing all the things from the day which probably will help to fall asleep sooner and sleep better, and with a bit of luck you build up a real-world skill. I find old crafts are really good for this. They require mostly time, but not that much brain power. I would love to feel like this the rest of my life, but I know that is very, very hard to achieve IF I want to live life like most people do today. And it is so easy to get sucked into that lifestyle.
I agree with Adam, it's not catch-up. Maybe it was for a bit, but it's the way we live. How we NEVER, for a moment, are alone or without someone wanting something from us, mainly digitally. Our brain does not get a break. With burn-out I had to take that break, and luckily people were very understanding and it showed me again, as did the covid-time that I (and I am convinced, most people) flourish with a bit slower pace of life, but mostly being fully in the present, without the constant temptation of notifications etc. It's healing for your brain.
I also agree with Rowan that covid was for me personally a blissfull time. I've never felt so at peace in my entire (adult?) life.
Sorry for the wall of text.
Dude, this last year, i broke my leg, had multiple operations on internal organs, got super sick 2x.... but, i went from 265lbs down to 230lbs. So far this year, im healed/healthy and down to 217-219 lbs for the last couple weeks. My insides still feel weak but i think im all in 1 piece now. Its interesting being 40. Full disclosure, im a 100% disabled veteran. Even my mom is surprised im still kickin. Lol honestly, i just hope im around long enough to raise my 3 littles to adults. I wish i could do more with them. I know they know im broken, but still... its difficult.
I been working 7 days a week 12 hours a day usually for roughly a decade now for my own business. Though I do have enough screw around time during that 12 hours. But I need to break things up. Go to the movies or something to break things up. I am in a cycle of burn out and pushing through.
I retired July of 2020, not because of Covid, it was pre-planned 6 months in advance. The lock down meant nothing to me. I was lucky.
I look at my parents that basically worked 12 hours a day, six days a week on their feet serving people fish and chips for 30-odd years and them now enjoying their retirement, and seeing the shit they put their bodies, minds and relationship through, to put 5 kids through school, uni and supporting them until they got it together themselves...
It was a different world for them. I'm in awe of how they did it... I have an office job working from home and have 1 kid, and it's difficult. I feel like I'm close to burnout. I have no idea how they coped.
This just cements the fact that adam doesnt know how "would you rather" works.😂😂😂
I’m a big fan of half days on Fridays like it really helps me not get burn out as much
You make me sooooooo happy I never got a smartphone!
This slack sounds like all the harm of social media without the dopamine.
Had rough burnout working healthcare through the pandemic. The boss kept trying to run the work on hyper driver after everything opened back up. Me and around 10 people left that I know due to it. New job is going well so far.
Especially for those who have a significant other, kids, etc. The last 30min-2hrs before bed should be focused on them. It allows you to do something that makes you feel like you're fulfilling a purpose and completing tasks (get that dopamine AND oxytocin) and allows your reward system to prioritize it over time and eventually it helps you become accustomed to being able to just put it all away and focus on the people around you and the you around you (not an end-all be-all but should work for most people) just my opinion after 10 years as a medic making observations of myself and others.
I've been diagnosed with burnout for 6 months now. Luckily I live in a country where you can get paid sick leave while being treated for it. It will propably take months or even years before I feel good again. Some people never get back to who they were.
Burnout sucks big time.
As someone who can't work due to illness, the "what do you do?" type questions are soul destroying. Keep the podcasts coming guys. You're discussing some great topics. I would add though, that you could have one of you off every other week or so and sub in a guest and I'd still be a great podcast. Even if it's just Ellie or Ben ect.
I work 4/10, 3 day weekend, mandatory friday when work gets a hair up the butt. I feel the burnout.
You mentioned this 9 to 5 thing and it's fascinating that John Maynar Keynes, one of the smartest economics expert ever, belived that about 100 years of his time (which is basically now) people won't have to work more that 4 hours a day at most. He fogrot to calculate with corporate greed.
Lockdown was life changing for me personally, in a good way, created my own company and spent so much time with my family, worked out so well for me thankfully
I'm living in UK and we never had an absolute total lockdown, except when I was actually ill with COVID. Even during the first march 2020 'lockdown' my workplace (credit cards) was considered essential and we had to still come and cram ourselves into the office and work every day regardless of what most of the country was doing.
I work at Tesco, I worked 5 days a week through the whole of covid, I grew to resent everyone that didn't have to work and got paid.
@@Tob1Kadach1 I feel for you. Can't have been nice dealing with people in person every day. However many people went to supermarkets less during COVID if they were following the rules. You know what people stuck at home all day with nothing to do can do instead? Look through their credit card history and call us about every unknown transaction. That's what we were having to deal with. :(
Glad we could all support you getting to where you are, but remember to look out for yourselves.
I find that my phone prevents me from arting - ie I love drawing, painting, writing & woodburning, but will often just find myself reading Webtoons, watching YT videos or playing some time-wasting game instead. But it's easier to do those things than setting up my crafting area. And before I know it, I'm tired and it's time for bed.
I'm 31, have two kids, 4 and 2, and I work fulltime from home while fulltime parenting said kids, and I relate sooooooo much to all this.
It really took a 7 day cruise of doing absolutely nothing to make me realize how much more I should be unplugging from work and society for my mental health and to reduce burnout.
Whenever I have a boring task at my warehouse Job, I put on your podcast and it makes time go infinitely faster. I have listened to all of the episodes 2-3 times
I work 7:30-4:00 Mon-Thurs. On Friday’s 7:30-12:00. This way I start my weekend Friday at noon, I go chill, and when Saturday comes around I can rest or go out fully enjoying my weekend. Then Sunday funday.
I feel burnt out a lot due to work including covid. I work in a supermarket and worked 5 days a week through every single lockdown and hated that I had to work while millions of people got to sit at home and get paid.
I love you guys. Seriously you're so important to me and my wife. Me and my 4 year old and my wife, all three but mainly me and him, love watching ALL of your content. It's been years and I can't stop. He especially loves your NPC Man type content/RPG stuff and I do too but I love the TechTown stuff too. All of it. And I was so depressed and had so much anxiety for so many years and you guys are living my dream. I truly dream of being a content creator who makes content like you guys do, what a life! And now, I live vicariously through you, and I mean it when I say it saved me from my mental health issues. Please always keep doing this! 🙏
The day you recorded this is the EXACT day I quit my job due to burnout. Obviously this is being seen much later. I had all the symptoms...shit boss, job security in question (after almost 7 years) etc. Now I need to get a new job and there's nothing out there. Burned out on top of burnout. ALSO, you should think about doing an Epic NPC where there are two NPC's talking about their jobs while waiting for adventurers.
My burnout appeared the moment when I was trying to figure out a schedule of both “getting married abroad with a foreigner” (almost no one could help me with it) and massive work roadmap schedules that were suddenly moved to that year (including the whole company IT infrastructure moving to a new location with new devices (migrations); again, alone).
I managed to do EVERYTHING. I wasn’t able to enjoy my wedding ceremony (or the following events) at all.
At that moment, I could’ve either end the whole plan of getting married at all or just pushed it at least 5 years ahead (five years of utter pointless feeling saving up money).
13:55 I'm 25 and I honestly feel either burned out or at the brink of burnout. I'm in a similar position to Alan where my only real me-time is when our 8 month old goes to bed so after 7pm or 8pm. After that I usually stay up until about midnight playing video games or watching TV with my wife and I'll do the baby's dishes before shower and bed. Baby wakes up at 6am or 7am so I wake up pretty tired. I've also been working on two theses (master's on my major and bachelor's on my minor), I had my final teaching practice period this winter and there's also the rest of the schoolwork at uni
I've experienced pretty severe study related stress for many years before but now I think it might actually be burnout
No way are these guys getting to 13 episodes.
Can't be done.
During COVID, I never actually got to have any time off, I worked in the service industry so I was always working... Still am.
Working as a sysadmin, I don't remember the last time I worked a small 8 to 5 😅
I love how proud Adam is about he's choices in would you rather questions even though he doesn't understand the game 😂😂❤❤
4 10 hour days is the most ideal work schedule. Having worked 3 12s, 4 10s, and also 5 8s I can attest.
That said, this isn't even touching on the idea of mandatory overtime which is pretty norm in a lot of situations. You talk about needing those 2 days off to recover from burnout but what about when you are consistently working 6 or 7 days. Burnout is almost inevitable at that point.
I'm with you dude, I've been praying my ass off because for the last 14yrs I've just muddled through. I've finally realized a brain tumor, 2 brain aneurisms, a mild ischemic stroke, GI issues, and a few breakdowns later, this lifestyle might be unhealthy. then to watch it all burn down to embers during covid, didn't help much. if there wasn't a God i wouldn't know why I'm still here.
On your question at 13:47:
I‘m 25 and I can relate to the phone thing a lot. There was times I used to doomscroll for hours on an almost daily basis. Whenever I had a split second of waiting time anywhere my hand went into auto pilot to pull out my phone and open social media. I only managed to get it under control by deleting Instagram and CZcams from my phone (gladly I never got into TikTok). Now I only access those apps from my tablet. This way I have much more control because I use them more consciously and I can only access them when I have wifi.
I guess what also comes in handy is that I have a really deep sleep so I can’t leave my phone next to my bed at night or I will turn off the alarm without actually waking up in the morning. I need to charge it at a different spot in my room so I generally don’t have the problem of using my phone in bed.
When someone asks "What do you do?" and you don't want to talk about work, answer with a hobby, "I'm an artist" "I'm a musician" whatever it is. If we don't want work to define us it really doesn't have to. Its more down to the answers people give than the questions we ask.
If you asked an enlightened monk "What do you do?" he probably has many tasks and chores but he would never mistake them for his purpose.
I'd leave for New Zealand in a heartbeat to discuss Rowan's random questions in person with you all (not bothering to clock back in after lunch😆 )IF i had a passport AND a wealthier persons' wallet. I needed this topic this week. Thank you, guys. You're all awesome🙂
Lifting heavy weights like a bodybuilder also gives you more mental energy. But 99 percent of people give up before they increase their musclemass.
You guys gotta do what I do and take a yearly vacation to a place with no cell service or internet. It's amazing! I don't go anywhere expensive - just a little old cabin that I rent way far out.
Best way to avoid burnout is heavy drinking. Being a functioning alcoholic means you can essentially knock off at midday but keep working till 9, just stay slightly below fully drunk the whole time and you'll be grand.
21:00 Little-talked about, house work is unpaid labor, especially if there are children involved. Like an unpaid live-in maid + nanny who gets housing and food, is financially reliant on their "boss"/partner, and who would have a hard time leaving if it was an abusive relationship because they don't have a job to pay for their expenses. Respect to unpaid domestic workers.
34:45 All of that is stuff that is endemic to a system where you are defined by what you do, not human nature. The "putting people in a box" thing is an adaptation to the systems that provide a way to relate to each other based on what is normal for the system: you are what you do. If we were to change systems so that people could do what they want rather than what's necessary to put food on the table or live comfortably, then the ways that we try to relate to each other would likewise change to be about more personal things than what our profession is, or use the fact that most of us don't have time or resources to do the things we like to fish for what our actual interests are. It means moving away from capitalism, but too many people don't wanna do that for shortsighted and often misinformed (brainwashed) reasons that are endemic to systems which rely on people being constantly desperate and afraid of losing their place in one or more hierarchies.
literally just finished the last podcast and this new one pops up!
I absolutely love Adam's "would you rathers" please don't ever change sir😂
yeah, he really nails it, we need a whole compilation of those!
"Living your life in the anticipated memory of it." That's a f*cking fantastic way to summarise so much.
I hope one day in the future (maybe season 2 of the podcast?), we could get a camera on Ellie with an on-demand toggle switch/button.
...That is if Ellie wants one. Not demanding here.
I’m glad to hear someone else say they loved Covid and the break it gave. That was literally the best year of my life
I had a job recently where I was working all day from morning till late at night every day, even on the weekends. I had to leave that job. I knew that I was making a lot of money and that in order to replace that level of income I might have to take another job but there was no way I would make it. I could feel my health getting worse. I had hardly any time for family, for my kids, or for anything but work. I still feel some guilt over giving up that income, but my personal life is much better, my health is much better, and we may be struggling financially but that can be overcome with planning and budgeting. It was well worth what I gained to give up what I lost.
How about a VLDL cast autograph on the BATD poster on the VLDL store. It would great in the basement!
Stop fighting, have a hug, have an apple, and it'll all be ok.
Walk through walls for sure, reading people's minds would be hell.
Ever since the advent of social media, I feel like I have been reading people’s minds and it is frequently hellish.
I work 9-5 and it totally sucks. there's nothing open after 5 that is needed for adult life. banks, doctors, ect. i have to take a day off just for that kinda stuff.
I work 12 hour rotating shifts, either 8pm to 8am or 8am to 8p. In a food factory. So even during covid I was in the factory working. So my days off change every week. The burnout is real
I feel this so much, especially with my job currently. My wife is about to have our third child so while its not technically a break, it will be nice not to have to think about my job for 3 weeks lol and instead focus on my family :)
Also Ellie needs her own camera IMO
My company does a thing where we work an extra hour each day during the week and have every other Friday off, that’s really nice for the decompress time without kids and responsibilities etc
"Living your life in the anticipated memories." Rowan fuckin nailed it.
Hahaha, Adam's "Would You Rather" bits just don't get old to me. 😄
I work 7 days a week. Have been for years. And only get the mandatory holidays off. Im so burnt out. But can't stop due to bills and responsibilities. I feel like a hollowed out shell most of the time. I cant do anything but plow on ahead. The alternatives are unacceptable.
I can relate a lot... we use Slack as well at work and it certainly blends into private life. It's both a blessing and a curse.
Nature walks without checking/taking out the phone are great. I'd leave it behind if I wasn't paranoid I'd get a flat tire on the way or get lost or something.
21:00 I think a big issue is that, before, those kind of situations where people stayed for longer or dedicated a lot (arguably too much) to their job was mostly reserved for passionate people. Who kinda wanted that to some degree.
The problem is that now it’s expected in many job. Even jobs that are just the bare minimum to just survive nowadays. How could you expect someone who took that job only to eat to be passionate, work over hours, be amazing and inspiring ? When he doesn’t even get much opportunities to climb the ladder and poor financial perks in return ?
Some managerial positions are just completely dissociated from reality I think. I know many people who work just to eat, they don’t like their job. So of course when it’s time to leave they leave, and if whatever better opportunity shows up they change their job. And that’s good.
That shouldn’t be considered anti work, even if I understood what you meant. I think that’s just rebalancing expectations. Someone is passionate and want to work a lot to reach new opportunities ? Nice. Someone just want to work his hours and come back home to enjoy time with his family ? Totally fine as well.
I wonder if they all go to the gym. I go to work, Study when I find a break, and then I go hit the gym right after. 5 days a week.
The sound quality is amazing ❤
Adam reminded me of a joke with his "walking through walls"
A Hungarian, a Russian and a Slovak are talking.
Hungarian: We can make a thing that allows us to see the very end of the universe!
Russian: And what do you call it?
Hungarian: Spacevision!
Russian: We can make a thing that allows us to see to the bottom of the ocean!
Slovak: And what do you call it?
Russian: Oceanvision!
Slovak: Well, that's nothing, we invented a thing that allows us to see through the wall!
Russian: Wow, and what do you call it?
Slovak: Window.
I didn´t say it was a good joke 😅😂
Here's an icebreaker that will never work: "Hi! Hey, lemme ask you something. If your life story was a book, what would the title be?"
When you ask someone what they do for a living, you're also asking what their primary contribution to the community is.
Finally I understand what is going on. Someone didn't load the rules of the game "Would you rather?" into the program of robot Adam 😂
I’m a full time dad so I totally get what Alan’s means, it often feels like I’m disappointing someone…
There’s a term for that need to stay up past the time you should just to have time for yourself;Revenge Bedtime Procrastination. It’s a very real thing when you have kids. I’m a gramma now but now my kids go thru this. I only do on days where we have the kids for awhile. But I have ADHD and that comes with its own bedtime routine issues.
I want to see the panman make a return to in pubg logic again
"What do you do" is such a strange question to me. Personally it feels like it's not breaking the ice, but feels like someone is sniffing your underwear uninvitedly. Worse even than asking someone's age. I think it's safer just to gossip about others or talk about the weather. Or play "would you rather", of course. 😇
After a while people will feel more familiar with each other and reveal their jobs without being asked. Before that: No personal questions! Don't know if it's a personal thing or a cultural one (German), though.
just don't install work app on yuor personal phone, have different phone for work, if something is urgent they can always call