oh please. tesla has demo with such speed years ago. Tesla is always forward thinking and industry will follow just like giga casting, cell to chasis, pure vision
This is Aulton swapping station. This company does not make cars or batteries,, they just built swapping stations. They actually started years earlier than NIO, but so far only built 800 swapping stations. They mostly serve fleet vehicles such as Taxi, cargo vans. As you can see in the video, their stations are bulky, less intelligent and the cars are low end, less than 100K Cinese yuan(13k USD) with range less than 300km.
So if they don't make cars, what brand of cars are these manufactured with swappable batteries? I am so confused. I thought Nio was the first one to make this!
I'm sure these swap stations have a higher operating cost at scale than NIO's BSS network. First of all they require a massive lot size (= higher rental cost $$). Second, it's not automated, so it requires an operator at each station (more costs $) . Third, it looks like each model has it's own BSS (so double the space & cost 2x$$$). I imagine trying to convince parking lots owners to put these giant eye-sore containers on their property must not be easy at all. NIO's swap station on the other hand are space-efficient, autonomous and very good looking. It's a win-win.
If battery storage is on two sides (left and right) instead of one side, battery swaps can be done in 1:30 or less, especially for a drive thru. One cart takes out while a charged battery is on a second cart, ready to be bolted in. Two sided storage with two carts that move right to left or left to right.
I have people in our group who ordered 5 of them knowing they can either sell their spot in line or just cancel for a full refund. But thats generally how "PREODER" goes in China. Hence why Nio never talks about pre sale #s knowing this. Nonetheless, real number isnt going to show till much later where Onvo gets on the road, test drives and full showing commence. Xiao mi for instance, where wait time is 6-8 months for new orders, but second hand market is already filled with SU7s in just 2 months. though i think, onvo s gonna outsell Su7 by a good margin when its all said and done. large form EVs are much more pragmatic which 200k users gravitate. 550 is FINE! model Y has the same size battery.
@@lostinbkk555 yup. Alot of these folks who are giving feedbacks never intended to pick up a real car. Their opinions are just opinions. In the current climate, I wouldnnt exclude the possibility of competitors making a ton of pre orders just to screw with order flow. Sadly, competition has heated up so much so, auto makers lost their minds. But everything is looking more and more positive for Nio on the ground. Order flows been strong and stores filled with folks inquiring about cars. I frequent ShangHai, Su Zhou and Beijing. Lots of Nios on the streets now compared to couple of years ago. Specially Nt2 cars. Nio houses are getting filled up too which is a stark contrast to even a year ago.
Very impressive. Even the regular swap stations should offer partially charged batteries as not everyone needs a fully charged one. Truly BOOT ON THE GROUND here.
Thank Mr P for this impressive report. This demonstrates even for the biggest doubters how efficient battery swap can be. Taking the very short swapping time into account it seems to me that the batteries are not attached by screws to the car like Nio prefers to practice. It could be possibly a multi-sided clamp mechanism that can be released much faster than the time needed for rotating screws of a considerable length. Did you talk about this aspect with the stations attendant?
thought the Taxi ones are faster, in reality the whole operation is Actually much SLOWER due to the manual prepping and examining nature of the back of house functions. The Taxi stations are Manned and often uses logistical trucks for battery circulation and support. Not to mention the low capacity and often low life cycle batteries they use. Where Nios battery network is completely unmanned and cloud compute managed. Nio has 1 service personnel who covers 10 square km up to 5-8 swap stations intelligently. Also footprint is 1/6th of a taxi version which allows for much denser deployment. To sum up, Nios bat swap is tech from the future, and it will take some time for people to realize just how great it is.
@@cruiser97eric1 Gen 1 is manned but those are rapidly being replaced and outdated. Not too many Gen1 is left actually out there. starting from Gen 2, it is divided by districts. 1 crew of a couple of guys on rotation covers a whole area from a remote location. Gen 3-4 are fully oped by lidars and sensors. Generally speaking, currently technician only gets called to location if trouble shooting is needed. Also a Nio owner and user of many years here.
The taxi swap station is faster because it is a drive through. I have long said that it would be more efficient for a NIO swap station to do a drive through system.
I think if you put the extra bateries on top of the station and go to a Drive-through swap station than you would have the benefits of a smaller land footprint and the speed of a drive-through system. This allows for lineups to be more conventional with cars almost side by side maybe you could pull through a first swap station to a second so that two swaps could happen on two vecholes at the same time from the same line... Cheers!
@@mikediemand1727 great idea. I think: the whole lift mechanics will be more complex, more expensive and maybe also more prone to mechanical failures? I suppose both systems make sense. Depending on where they are being deployed. In Switzerland, space is a big issue and it might make sense to go with the concept you're promoting.
If Nio could redesign its swap station with drive thru concept, having two mechanisms, one to remove and other ready with the new battery to fit in as soon as the battery is remove, having more batteries in one swap station, Nio could do with less swap stations and save cost.
wait Elon said battery swap was a stupid idea and he is planning to colonize mars while high on drugs... maybe he can implement ultra fast charging on Mars to keep Nio from getting a foothold.
Dude 😂 mr p this is old info ages old and it’s trash swap that has zero tech or battery health check nor autonomous driving capabilities so wt** are you aiming for buddy 2nd Barrie’s videos on the day makes u look super …
@@nd95436man wtf is your problem, he just inform us, dos u acually knep Evert singel feature on that batteryswap? If Mr P wants to do this, why cant he?
There was a point where NIO owners were 'abusing' or taking advantage of the free electricity and using the power at their homes or stores..is that still happening or has there been a crack down?
Lol...people complain about expenses, how much do you think this will cost? What makes you think the next swapping generation won't be faster? Come on guys..in business you bring upgrades by steps. Gezzz..
But Mr P people ordered L60 are upset with 60kwt battery so let’s give them a free life time battery swap to make them happy. Oh wait let’s give them 150kwt battery free just for customer satisfaction and the hell with the investors. We can continue to dilute the heck out of them.
Mr P, what do you think of the drive in one side and out the other (like this)? Compared to driving in and reversing out? Isn’t the drive straight in and straight out (like this) not the faster solution to battery swapping that NIO should adopt in the future?
How the F@#$ does Nio spend BILLIONS in R&D and still can’t even come close to this “unknown” company when it comes to swap time completion??!! HOW??!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Does this company have any strategy at all? Imagine if every socket in your house could only power 1 thing e.g. this socket is only for a kettle, don’t try to plug in a hairdryer. Why are taxis, NIOs and firefly chargers not compatible when they all come from the same company?
The auto driving in feature of NIO, more checks are done by NIO, and the un-install and re-install of the battery is also done slower by NIO - I'm assuming to minimize the risk of process failing
Nio has WAY more spread infrastructure and will have different batteries to choose from. All this for 2 minutes more? Who cares about 2 minutes more? Even 3 minutes is no time ! Better 3 minutes and have lots of infrastructure with options than 1 minute 5 seconds and have much less infrastructure / options. Also they are already shorting the timing with new battery swap stations...this MR.P is a nio short...
Do you really think that NIO would not go for a 1 munute battery swap if there would be a possibility to do it for non-taxi cars? Ingenous. Taxi battery swap scenarios are completely different to non-taxi battery swaps. Come on P, go a little bit deeper!! Bipolar.
This seems more practical than NIO swapstations? I see this being adopted faster than what NIO does.. Weird, what happened to those 1000's of patents..
@@MManStockseriously what is wrong with you? You realize that if you hate something or a company you don’t have to watch videos about it every day and cry like a little bitch. I hope you’re not like this in your personal life or your friends and family must be so embarrassed. I feel sorry for them.
Its rudimentary becauee their business needs to be profitable because they don't have western investors to bail them out, so they dont make things fancy as NIO
This proves that battery swapping is the future!!!
oh please. tesla has demo with such speed years ago. Tesla is always forward thinking and industry will follow just like giga casting, cell to chasis, pure vision
This is Aulton swapping station. This company does not make cars or batteries,, they just built swapping stations. They actually started years earlier than NIO, but so far only built 800 swapping stations. They mostly serve fleet vehicles such as Taxi, cargo vans. As you can see in the video, their stations are bulky, less intelligent and the cars are low end, less than 100K Cinese yuan(13k USD) with range less than 300km.
So if they don't make cars, what brand of cars are these manufactured with swappable batteries? I am so confused. I thought Nio was the first one to make this!
Thanks a lot for info, Nio is the future.
I'm sure these swap stations have a higher operating cost at scale than NIO's BSS network.
First of all they require a massive lot size (= higher rental cost $$). Second, it's not automated, so it requires an operator at each station (more costs $) . Third, it looks like each model has it's own BSS (so double the space & cost 2x$$$).
I imagine trying to convince parking lots owners to put these giant eye-sore containers on their property must not be easy at all.
NIO's swap station on the other hand are space-efficient, autonomous and very good looking. It's a win-win.
Thanks for being our boots on the ground. This is very interesting.
So future taxis in china will be ONVO and Firefly?
Check out Chinese robotaxi, this is the future. The latest version will use battery swapping rather than charging
Safe to assume that at least some of the taxis will be made by onvo and firefly.
If battery storage is on two sides (left and right) instead of one side, battery swaps can be done in 1:30 or less, especially for a drive thru. One cart takes out while a charged battery is on a second cart, ready to be bolted in. Two sided storage with two carts that move right to left or left to right.
200km but Onvo people are angry about 550 😂😂😂
I have people in our group who ordered 5 of them knowing they can either sell their spot in line or just cancel for a full refund. But thats generally how "PREODER" goes in China. Hence why Nio never talks about pre sale #s knowing this. Nonetheless, real number isnt going to show till much later where Onvo gets on the road, test drives and full showing commence. Xiao mi for instance, where wait time is 6-8 months for new orders, but second hand market is already filled with SU7s in just 2 months. though i think, onvo s gonna outsell Su7 by a good margin when its all said and done. large form EVs are much more pragmatic which 200k users gravitate. 550 is FINE! model Y has the same size battery.
@@NomadicAstro As you said unless orders are locked in then talk of pre order numbers is a waste of time
@@lostinbkk555 yup. Alot of these folks who are giving feedbacks never intended to pick up a real car. Their opinions are just opinions. In the current climate, I wouldnnt exclude the possibility of competitors making a ton of pre orders just to screw with order flow. Sadly, competition has heated up so much so, auto makers lost their minds. But everything is looking more and more positive for Nio on the ground. Order flows been strong and stores filled with folks inquiring about cars. I frequent ShangHai, Su Zhou and Beijing. Lots of Nios on the streets now compared to couple of years ago. Specially Nt2 cars. Nio houses are getting filled up too which is a stark contrast to even a year ago.
Very impressive. Even the regular swap stations should offer partially charged batteries as not everyone needs a fully charged one. Truly BOOT ON THE GROUND here.
Thanks for this! A swap in a minute?... holy cow. I really had no idea. Great information.
This swap station is triple bigger than NIO station. They pay triple of the money for rent the space ..
Thank Mr P for this impressive report. This demonstrates even for the biggest doubters how efficient battery swap can be. Taking the very short swapping time into account it seems to me that the batteries are not attached by screws to the car like Nio prefers to practice. It could be possibly a multi-sided clamp mechanism that can be released much faster than the time needed for rotating screws of a considerable length. Did you talk about this aspect with the stations attendant?
thought the Taxi ones are faster, in reality the whole operation is Actually much SLOWER due to the manual prepping and examining nature of the back of house functions. The Taxi stations are Manned and often uses logistical trucks for battery circulation and support. Not to mention the low capacity and often low life cycle batteries they use. Where Nios battery network is completely unmanned and cloud compute managed. Nio has 1 service personnel who covers 10 square km up to 5-8 swap stations intelligently. Also footprint is 1/6th of a taxi version which allows for much denser deployment. To sum up, Nios bat swap is tech from the future, and it will take some time for people to realize just how great it is.
Nio stations are not unmanned. Mr P has many videos where one can see the swapping station operators.
@@cruiser97eric1 Gen 1 is manned but those are rapidly being replaced and outdated. Not too many Gen1 is left actually out there. starting from Gen 2, it is divided by districts. 1 crew of a couple of guys on rotation covers a whole area from a remote location. Gen 3-4 are fully oped by lidars and sensors. Generally speaking, currently technician only gets called to location if trouble shooting is needed. Also a Nio owner and user of many years here.
The taxi swap station is faster because it is a drive through. I have long said that it would be more efficient for a NIO swap station to do a drive through system.
Drive through vs Autonomous backing up system that NIO uses.
Depending on the location NIOs System has an advantage. Can be used in narrow spots also.
I think if you put the extra bateries on top of the station and go to a Drive-through swap station than you would have the benefits of a smaller land footprint and the speed of a drive-through system. This allows for lineups to be more conventional with cars almost side by side maybe you could pull through a first swap station to a second so that two swaps could happen on two vecholes at the same time from the same line... Cheers!
@@mikediemand1727 great idea. I think: the whole lift mechanics will be more complex, more expensive and maybe also more prone to mechanical failures? I suppose both systems make sense. Depending on where they are being deployed. In Switzerland, space is a big issue and it might make sense to go with the concept you're promoting.
If Nio could redesign its swap station with drive thru concept, having two mechanisms, one to remove and other ready with the new battery to fit in as soon as the battery is remove, having more batteries in one swap station, Nio could do with less swap stations and save cost.
Aulton, A NIO Capital investment. !!!!!!!
wait Elon said battery swap was a stupid idea and he is planning to colonize mars while high on drugs... maybe he can implement ultra fast charging on Mars to keep Nio from getting a foothold.
This great more ppl can know about swapping
How come the lights on the car were on all the time?
Tell me you bought puts without telling me you bought putts. This is nothing new and has been known for a long time. So why now Mr p
I am confident that NIO swap station (in the future) will be as fast or faster.
Dude 😂 mr p this is old info ages old and it’s trash swap that has zero tech or battery health check nor autonomous driving capabilities so wt** are you aiming for buddy 2nd Barrie’s videos on the day makes u look super …
@@nd95436man wtf is your problem, he just inform us, dos u acually knep Evert singel feature on that batteryswap? If Mr P wants to do this, why cant he?
There was a point where NIO owners were 'abusing' or taking advantage of the free electricity and using the power at their homes or stores..is that still happening or has there been a crack down?
A d h D 😂
i think the electricity output rate got limited so its fixed but im not sure
It's screwless I supposed magnet on off that is why faster?
This is way faster and much better than Nio’s swap. The driver drives in and this saves a lot of time. Nio needs to redesign to allow drive thru!
A lot of time ? Lol lol...since when is 2 minutes a lot of time ? Also they are not autonomous...and they look rudimental
Yes holycrap
Lol...people complain about expenses, how much do you think this will cost? What makes you think the next swapping generation won't be faster? Come on guys..in business you bring upgrades by steps. Gezzz..
i’m convinced. this is the future of EV vehicles. Plug-in will be back up
Looks like some cheap and manual battery swap. It does not even look like an authorized swap station.
So Nio isnt the only co. doing swapping?Nio doesnt have patents on this tech?
But Mr P people ordered L60 are upset with 60kwt battery so let’s give them a free life time battery swap to make them happy. Oh wait let’s give them 150kwt battery free just for customer satisfaction and the hell with the investors. We can continue to dilute the heck out of them.
They should have just made it 70 lol… let’s see if this hurts sales going forward
It's time for incompetent William Li to go.
Mr P, what do you think of the drive in one side and out the other (like this)? Compared to driving in and reversing out? Isn’t the drive straight in and straight out (like this) not the faster solution to battery swapping that NIO should adopt in the future?
What about all those NIO patents?
This! Wtf?
Aulton actually started years earlier than NIO, but their stations are bulky and less automatic.
Different way of swapping .faster swap
How the F@#$ does Nio spend BILLIONS in R&D and still can’t even come close to this “unknown” company when it comes to swap time completion??!! HOW??!! 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Does this company have any strategy at all? Imagine if every socket in your house could only power 1 thing e.g. this socket is only for a kettle, don’t try to plug in a hairdryer. Why are taxis, NIOs and firefly chargers not compatible when they all come from the same company?
The key question is why the swap time for one company is one minute while the other company's swap station requires four minutes.
The auto driving in feature of NIO, more checks are done by NIO, and the un-install and re-install of the battery is also done slower by NIO - I'm assuming to minimize the risk of process failing
Who built this swapping station?
keep pumping out those NIO videos Mr. P!!!!
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Nio has WAY more spread infrastructure and will have different batteries to choose from. All this for 2 minutes more? Who cares about 2 minutes more? Even 3 minutes is no time ! Better 3 minutes and have lots of infrastructure with options than 1 minute 5 seconds and have much less infrastructure / options. Also they are already shorting the timing with new battery swap stations...this MR.P is a nio short...
Which company owns it ?
BAIC Group and CATL
BAIC
I thought only neo could do battery swap
china 10 steps ahead of the world
Which car is that and is it competition to firefly and onvo?
Very basic and cheap cars that are good for Taxi, nobody wants to buy them as private car.
Do you really think that NIO would not go for a 1 munute battery swap if there would be a possibility to do it for non-taxi cars? Ingenous. Taxi battery swap scenarios are completely different to non-taxi battery swaps. Come on P, go a little bit deeper!! Bipolar.
This seems more practical than NIO swapstations? I see this being adopted faster than what NIO does.. Weird, what happened to those 1000's of patents..
Why are his tail lights still on after battery removal.??????
@@Ullrich88 there’s the small 12volt battery powering them
@@MrPNioVideos thanks, that makes sense 🙏
Buy more nio every time you get bad news stock go up and good news prices go down. 😅
Is this system paying NIO because power swap patents?
No, it's an older company than NIO called Aulton, but NIO has invested a few million dollars in its development.
This is very upsetting. Dump your whole life savings on Neo because of the batteries swap system. And now this blows NIO away
Blows NIO away, LOL . NIO battery swap will be as fast as that battery swap and NIO battery swap station looks much better and require less space
Having watched this,why own Nio stock?😂
What brand are those cars?
@@MManStockseriously what is wrong with you? You realize that if you hate something or a company you don’t have to watch videos about it every day and cry like a little bitch. I hope you’re not like this in your personal life or your friends and family must be so embarrassed. I feel sorry for them.
Mr.P can everyone built a swap station without paying NIO for their thousands of patents?
@@MManStockman you are tiresome. Swapping batteries is from the 1800s, stop going full Tesla fanboy every chance you get.
Well NIO swap sucks I guess
Its rudimentary becauee their business needs to be profitable because they don't have western investors to bail them out, so they dont make things fancy as NIO
nio 3 minutes is so slow compare to this . nio should atleast keep up
Are those NIO cars? Is that a NIO swap station? Video is unclear about those facts?
Why. Nio do too long do like 1 minutes is good the Michine need speed up
Thought nio had upper hand with battery swapping.. well, now curious how this will compete with nio
Yup he works for hedges... gotta be! Unsubscribed!
This will take the stock to 600 😢😢